On 26 Sep 2005 09:09:04 -0700, Nancy1 > wrote:
>
> Yes, but in this day when airlines have cut back on so much of the
> "service," what about people who bring their own peanuts or peanut
> butter aboard?

They should be beaten with rolled-up in-flight magazines, then
strip-searched and cavity searched to make sure they have no contraband
peanut items. <g>

Hehe, sorry. What people bring should be up to them, but I hope they'd
be kind enough to cooperate and work out a compromise if seated near someone
with severe allergies.

Ariane

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:39:02 -0300, Gabby > wrote:
>
> Yes, some can, some can't -- it all depends on how deficient in lactase they
> are. Some cheeses like cheddar have very little lactose so are better
> tolerated than a straight glass of milk.

I've heard that harder cheeses (like parmesan) sometimes don't
have as negative of an effect on lactose-intolerant people for the same
reason. But it's definitely something that will vary from person to person.
Some people seem more sensitive than others, that's for sure.

My younger sister has recently begun having problems with milk that
was never an issue for her before. I don't know she is with cheese or yogurt,
yet. (She rarely eats the latter, anyway.) Small doses of milk seem all
right, but more than that and she regrets it. So for now... soy milk in her
cereal. The other day she informed me that cinnamon toast crunch with
cappucino soy milk was great. I think my teeth just retreated a millimeter or
so back into my gums just thinking about it. ;P

Ariane

"Ariane Jenkins" > wrote in message
...
>So for now... soy milk in her
> cereal. The other day she informed me that cinnamon toast crunch with
> cappucino soy milk was great. I think my teeth just retreated a
> millimeter or
> so back into my gums just thinking about it. ;P

Oh, that just made me want to throw up.

The smell of Isomil used to make me gag. Daughter drank that until she was
in high school. Seems to me she mentioned finding the soy milk that is now
sold everywhere just too sweet for her taste.

Gabby

"Damsel" > wrote in message
>
> Our city water tastes ucky. But I've discovered that if you fill an
> individual bottle and refrigerate it for awhile, the ucky flavor
> disappears. I rotate three bottles, and have no problems with the
> water now. Maybe that can help someone else.
>

Our city water was well beyond ucky so I put in a charcoal filter for the
kitchen cold water. Very good now.

I myself have a deadly reaction-allergy to Peanuts, and particularly
Brazil Nuts, and Cashews.

It was said my first reaction occured at the age of 4 years old, at the
Thanksgiving Table, when I inadvertently placed just a Brazil Nut
"Shell" in my mouth, and had to be rushed to the hospital.

Over the years, I have never gotten any better tolerance to this, and
thoughout my whole life, I've had to be wary of Candy Bars, Birthday
Cakes, Cookies, etc, and always check the labels.

Yes, I've been fooled a few times with $100,000 Candy Bars, Zero Bars,
the "phony" Pistachios that they put on Cannolis nowadays, which are
actually dyed green peanuts, and relatives Birthday Cakes-Fruit Cakes,
and wound up in the Emergency Ward numerous , getting injected with
Diphenhydramine (More commonly known as Benadryl) The last trip 12
years ago, I spent 8 hours in the hospital, and my face, and eyes were
swollen for a week.

What happens, is my entire body begins to swell. Air Passageways, and
Eyes shut entirely.
Without medication, I cannnot see, as my eyes totaly swell shut, I
cannot breathe, my tongue swells to the size of a baseball, and my body
begins to break out all over in hives, and welts.

Without medication ASAP, I am a gonner. Benadryl always sits in my
fridge as a helpful Med until I can get to the Hospital.

Luckily, I am not so hypersensitive, that I am adversly affected by
others eating peanuts in my immediate vicinity, but I do get the
willies, and prefer not to be near those who partake in eating these
foods.

Others I've heard do have such a hypersensitivity, that being on an
airplane can cause a life threatening reaction, and I wonder just how
well Airplane personell are equipped to handle emergencies like this in
mid-flight.

A Peanut Allergy is actually not all that rare, and is one of the more
common allergies amongst people. Other common Allergies would be Milk,
Wheat Products, Shellfish, Aspirin, Antibiotics, Bee Stings, Fire Ant
Bites, and perhaps other bites such as Spiders, etc.

Knew a man in Florida who almost died, and went through 3 years of hell
from a Fire Ant Bite.

Oddly, I am not Allergic to Hazel Nuts, Almonds, Macadamia nuts,
Pistachios, Walnuts, or Pecans. Mark D.

(top posted)
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Mark. Hopefully, you've educated
some people and changed some attitudes. I wish you didn't have to go
through this your whole life.

Carol


Mark D wrote:
> I myself have a deadly reaction-allergy to Peanuts, and particularly
> Brazil Nuts, and Cashews.
>
> It was said my first reaction occured at the age of 4 years old, at the
> Thanksgiving Table, when I inadvertently placed just a Brazil Nut
> "Shell" in my mouth, and had to be rushed to the hospital.
>
> Over the years, I have never gotten any better tolerance to this, and
> thoughout my whole life, I've had to be wary of Candy Bars, Birthday
> Cakes, Cookies, etc, and always check the labels.
>
> Yes, I've been fooled a few times with $100,000 Candy Bars, Zero Bars,
> the "phony" Pistachios that they put on Cannolis nowadays, which are
> actually dyed green peanuts, and relatives Birthday Cakes-Fruit Cakes,
> and wound up in the Emergency Ward numerous , getting injected with
> Diphenhydramine (More commonly known as Benadryl) The last trip 12
> years ago, I spent 8 hours in the hospital, and my face, and eyes were
> swollen for a week.
>
> What happens, is my entire body begins to swell. Air Passageways, and
> Eyes shut entirely.
> Without medication, I cannnot see, as my eyes totaly swell shut, I
> cannot breathe, my tongue swells to the size of a baseball, and my body
> begins to break out all over in hives, and welts.
>
> Without medication ASAP, I am a gonner. Benadryl always sits in my
> fridge as a helpful Med until I can get to the Hospital.
>
> Luckily, I am not so hypersensitive, that I am adversly affected by
> others eating peanuts in my immediate vicinity, but I do get the
> willies, and prefer not to be near those who partake in eating these
> foods.
>
> Others I've heard do have such a hypersensitivity, that being on an
> airplane can cause a life threatening reaction, and I wonder just how
> well Airplane personell are equipped to handle emergencies like this in
> mid-flight.
>
> A Peanut Allergy is actually not all that rare, and is one of the more
> common allergies amongst people. Other common Allergies would be Milk,
> Wheat Products, Shellfish, Aspirin, Antibiotics, Bee Stings, Fire Ant
> Bites, and perhaps other bites such as Spiders, etc.
>
> Knew a man in Florida who almost died, and went through 3 years of hell
> from a Fire Ant Bite.
>
> Oddly, I am not Allergic to Hazel Nuts, Almonds, Macadamia nuts,
> Pistachios, Walnuts, or Pecans. Mark D.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...


> Anyway, I have to get back to peeling tomatoes I'm getting too
> emotional on this thread because of the lack of understanding,
> compassion, and simple *I don't give a shit* attitudes. When at some
> point it happens to you or your loved ones you will change your tunes
> but until then I'm bowing out of the conversation and going back to
> discussing cooking.

I think you will find that most if not all folk are allergic to being struck
by a big metal projectile on wheels at speed. I know it came close to
killing me once. Ban all said wheeled projectiles in case someone gets hit
by one? I really don't think you are truly seeing *I don't give a shit*
attitudes here, no, not at all.

The fact is that there are more dangerous, *deathly* dangerous things in our
lives than we can number, a helluvah lot of them can and *do* kill FAR more
people each year than allergies.

*Perspective*.



Shaun aRe

On 25 Sep 2005 21:53:13 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>I think it's at this point that I need my own island where I can smoke,
>drink, eat peanut butter, and any other damn thing that others may not be
>able to. Those people, of course, would NOT be welcome there except at
>their own perceived risk.
>
>I'm sorry you have asthma and allergies, patches, but it's your problem not
>mine, and I own no responsibility for your well-being.

Well said. We have a family member with asthma and a life threatening
allergy to shellfish. He swells up, turns blue and stops breathing
when he's exposed. We don't, however, insist that the rest of the
world forego shrimp cocktails on the off chance that he might come in
contact with a miniscule amount of something to which he has an
allergy. He's smart enough to ask what is in various dishes when we go
out and avoid those he can't safely eat; I'm smart enough to read
labels and refrain from cooking dishes that will set him off at home.
We keep an epi-pen available at all times in case of accidental
exposure. It's something I think you have to learn to deal with
yourself, without trying to drag the rest of the world into it.

Regards,
Tracy R.

ravinwulf wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >I think it's at this point that I need my own island where I can smoke,
> >drink, eat peanut butter, and any other damn thing that others may not be
> >able to. Those people, of course, would NOT be welcome there except at
> >their own perceived risk.
> >
> >I'm sorry you have asthma and allergies, patches, but it's your problem not
> >mine, and I own no responsibility for your well-being.
>
> Well said. We have a family member with asthma and a life threatening
> allergy to shellfish. He swells up, turns blue and stops breathing
> when he's exposed. We don't, however, insist that the rest of the
> world forego shrimp cocktails on the off chance that he might come in
> contact with a miniscule amount of something to which he has an
> allergy. He's smart enough to ask what is in various dishes when we go
> out and avoid those he can't safely eat; I'm smart enough to read
> labels and refrain from cooking dishes that will set him off at home.
> We keep an epi-pen available at all times in case of accidental
> exposure. It's something I think you have to learn to deal with
> yourself, without trying to drag the rest of the world into it.

Yeah, like imagine the morons had there way, they'd eradicate all
shellfish from the planet... those allergic to bee stings would
eradicate all bees... the real solution is to erradicate all the
morons.

Sheldon

One time on Usenet, ravinwulf > said:
> On 25 Sep 2005 21:53:13 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
> >I think it's at this point that I need my own island where I can smoke,
> >drink, eat peanut butter, and any other damn thing that others may not be
> >able to. Those people, of course, would NOT be welcome there except at
> >their own perceived risk.
> >
> >I'm sorry you have asthma and allergies, patches, but it's your problem not
> >mine, and I own no responsibility for your well-being.
>
> Well said. We have a family member with asthma and a life threatening
> allergy to shellfish. He swells up, turns blue and stops breathing
> when he's exposed. We don't, however, insist that the rest of the
> world forego shrimp cocktails on the off chance that he might come in
> contact with a miniscule amount of something to which he has an
> allergy. He's smart enough to ask what is in various dishes when we go
> out and avoid those he can't safely eat; I'm smart enough to read
> labels and refrain from cooking dishes that will set him off at home.
> We keep an epi-pen available at all times in case of accidental
> exposure. It's something I think you have to learn to deal with
> yourself, without trying to drag the rest of the world into it.

Damn it, Tracy, that makes too much sense for most people...


--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, VidGamer, novice cook ~

I do not have an allergy to peanuts/peanut products; however, I do have
other, severe allergies. I travel all the time with my husband (just
returned from spending 31 days in Germany) and My allergies are MY
problem; NOT the problem of some airline or even the population at
large. (Yes, some of my allergies are just as life-threatening as the
peanut allergy; I can actually die from some of them). I take
responsibility for my allergies, watching out for those things to which
I am allergic, and always carrying medication to counteract any allergic
reaction. I refuse to live in a bubble and I refuse to force the
responsibility for my allergic reactions on others! Carol Garbo

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 11:17:16a, S'mee in WA wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> One time on Usenet, ravinwulf > said:
>> On 25 Sep 2005 21:53:13 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I think it's at this point that I need my own island where I can
>> >smoke, drink, eat peanut butter, and any other damn thing that others
>> >may not be able to. Those people, of course, would NOT be welcome
>> >there except at their own perceived risk.
>> >
>> >I'm sorry you have asthma and allergies, patches, but it's your
>> >problem not mine, and I own no responsibility for your well-being.
>>
>> Well said. We have a family member with asthma and a life threatening
>> allergy to shellfish. He swells up, turns blue and stops breathing
>> when he's exposed. We don't, however, insist that the rest of the
>> world forego shrimp cocktails on the off chance that he might come in
>> contact with a miniscule amount of something to which he has an
>> allergy. He's smart enough to ask what is in various dishes when we go
>> out and avoid those he can't safely eat; I'm smart enough to read
>> labels and refrain from cooking dishes that will set him off at home.
>> We keep an epi-pen available at all times in case of accidental
>> exposure. It's something I think you have to learn to deal with
>> yourself, without trying to drag the rest of the world into it.
>
> Damn it, Tracy, that makes too much sense for most people...

LOL! Yes, why be sensible when one can be outrageously demanding. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 11:39:24a, Carol Garbo wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> I do not have an allergy to peanuts/peanut products; however, I do have
> other, severe allergies. I travel all the time with my husband (just
> returned from spending 31 days in Germany) and My allergies are MY
> problem; NOT the problem of some airline or even the population at
> large. (Yes, some of my allergies are just as life-threatening as the
> peanut allergy; I can actually die from some of them). I take
> responsibility for my allergies, watching out for those things to which
> I am allergic, and always carrying medication to counteract any allergic
> reaction. I refuse to live in a bubble and I refuse to force the
> responsibility for my allergic reactions on others! Carol Garbo
>

Carol, you are obviously intelligent, responsible, and realistic. Thank you
for a note of sanity here.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Wayne; Thank you for your kind words. Carol Garbo

Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we
are here, we may as well dance!

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 24 Sep 2005 03:17:56p, Ariane Jenkins wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On 24 Sep 2005 03:23:16 +0200, Wayne Boatwright >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I understand your point. Meeting someone halfway is one thing. What
> >> has been suggested is meeting them at their own door and escorting them
> >> to their destination. I will not be made responsible for their whole
> >> trip. Seems those who complain take few if any measures on their own
> >> to avoid the problem or protect themselves. They expect everyone else
> >> to do it for them by eliminating 100% of the cause. This is bullshit!
> >>
> >
> > I think accomodation should be made--within reason-- for people with
> > severe allergies. I'm not sure what you consider to be too much
> > accomodation, but if we're talking about relatively basic matter of not
> > serving peanuts on an airline flight, then I personally don't consider
> > that to be outrageous.
> >
> > Ariane
>
> As with most things, the key is "within reason" and its interpretation.
> When such an accomodation affects 149 people out of 100, I personally feel
> that's going too far. 'Course, my opinion never counts for much. :-)

You're right. It doesn't. How unbeleivably selfish to insist on
eating a few lousy peanuts knowing full well that someone in your
vicinity could die as a result of your pig-headedness.

Every post you make in this thread makes me like you less. On a scale
of one to ten, your current ranking is about a minus four.

Carol, activating a new filter when Agent is up and running, and
finished reading this thread

In article .com>,
"Damsel" > wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> > As with most things, the key is "within reason" and its interpretation.
> > When such an accomodation affects 149 people out of 100, I personally feel
> > that's going too far. 'Course, my opinion never counts for much. :-)
>
> You're right. It doesn't. How unbeleivably selfish to insist on
> eating a few lousy peanuts knowing full well that someone in your
> vicinity could die as a result of your pig-headedness.
>
> Every post you make in this thread makes me like you less. On a scale
> of one to ten, your current ranking is about a minus four.


I think you both have math problems. "149 out of 100"? At least I
think Carol did hers on purpose!


:-)


Although I've enjoyed a lot of stuff that Wayne has posted, his postings
on this thread haven't made me happy. We're not talking "accomodation"
here, we're talking about an airline deciding not to give away *FREE*
peanuts any more, and substituting something equivalent.

And a little Googling shows that someone eating peanuts isn't going to
cause the death of anyone else. Of course, it also showed that many of
those with the most serious problems are very young, so careless eating
of peanuts (like dropping some on the floor while a parent is sleeping)
might cause a fatality.

Carol Garbo wrote:

> Wayne; Thank you for your kind words. Carol Garbo
>
> Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we
> are here, we may as well dance!
>

And dance we shall And we will enjoy good food at the same time

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 03:34:37p, Carol Garbo wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne; Thank you for your kind words. Carol Garbo
>
> Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we
> are here, we may as well dance!

Absolutely! We should get the most out of our lives that we possibly can.
Here's to ya!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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On Tue 27 Sep 2005 03:39:25p, Damsel wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sat 24 Sep 2005 03:17:56p, Ariane Jenkins wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On 24 Sep 2005 03:23:16 +0200, Wayne Boatwright >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I understand your point. Meeting someone halfway is one thing. What
>> >> has been suggested is meeting them at their own door and escorting them
>> >> to their destination. I will not be made responsible for their whole
>> >> trip. Seems those who complain take few if any measures on their own
>> >> to avoid the problem or protect themselves. They expect everyone else
>> >> to do it for them by eliminating 100% of the cause. This is bullshit!
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think accomodation should be made--within reason-- for people with
>> > severe allergies. I'm not sure what you consider to be too much
>> > accomodation, but if we're talking about relatively basic matter of not
>> > serving peanuts on an airline flight, then I personally don't consider
>> > that to be outrageous.
>> >
>> > Ariane
>>
>> As with most things, the key is "within reason" and its interpretation.
>> When such an accomodation affects 149 people out of 100, I personally feel
>> that's going too far. 'Course, my opinion never counts for much. :-)
>
> You're right. It doesn't. How unbeleivably selfish to insist on
> eating a few lousy peanuts knowing full well that someone in your
> vicinity could die as a result of your pig-headedness.
>
> Every post you make in this thread makes me like you less. On a scale
> of one to ten, your current ranking is about a minus four.
>
> Carol, activating a new filter when Agent is up and running, and
> finished reading this thread

Well, Carol, you have put me in your kill file before, and you probably will
again. That's certainly your choice.

Perhaps I should clarify once and for all how I really feel about this issue.

1. I really don't give a damn whether airlines serve peanuts or not. I
rarely fly anymore and it really wouldn't affect me much.

2. I resent having *one* person demand that an entire plane full of people
do their bidding. I really don't care what the reason is. It's
unreasonable.

3. If I happen to be on a plane and want to eat the Snicker's bar (with
peanuts) that I brought on board with me, I don't think it's much of an issue
if I'm sitting at one end of the plane and the person with the peanut allergy
is sitting at the other.

4. If I was sitting next to someone when I wanted to eat that Snicker's bar
and that person said they were allergic to peanuts and asked me not to eat
it, I would either get up and go eat it somewhere else or ask them to move.

Personally, I don't think any of that is unreasonable. If you do, then so be
it. There's no accounting for opinion.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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On Tue 27 Sep 2005 04:50:15p, Dan Abel wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article .com>,
> "Damsel" > wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> > As with most things, the key is "within reason" and its
>> > interpretation. When such an accomodation affects 149 people out of
>> > 100, I personally feel that's going too far. 'Course, my opinion
>> > never counts for much. :-)
>>
>> You're right. It doesn't. How unbeleivably selfish to insist on
>> eating a few lousy peanuts knowing full well that someone in your
>> vicinity could die as a result of your pig-headedness.
>>
>> Every post you make in this thread makes me like you less. On a scale
>> of one to ten, your current ranking is about a minus four.
>
>
> I think you both have math problems. "149 out of 100"? At least I
> think Carol did hers on purpose!
>
>:-)

Yep, my typo. "149 out of 150"

>
> Although I've enjoyed a lot of stuff that Wayne has posted, his postings
> on this thread haven't made me happy. We're not talking "accomodation"
> here, we're talking about an airline deciding not to give away *FREE*
> peanuts any more, and substituting something equivalent.

Please see my recent response to Carol.

> And a little Googling shows that someone eating peanuts isn't going to
> cause the death of anyone else. Of course, it also showed that many of
> those with the most serious problems are very young, so careless eating
> of peanuts (like dropping some on the floor while a parent is sleeping)
> might cause a fatality.

Cheers!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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