We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
before 10 pm.

This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
outage in the winter is the pits!

~patches~ wrote:
> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
snip
>
> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> outage in the winter is the pits!
>
two words.

Coleman Stove.

del cecchi

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"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

Del Cecchi wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
>
> snip
>
>>
>> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
>> I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
>> and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
>> determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
>> during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
>>
> two words.
>
> Coleman Stove.
>
> del cecchi
>
Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

~patches~ wrote:
> Del Cecchi wrote:
>
>> ~patches~ wrote:
>>
>>> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
>>
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>
>>> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
>>> I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
>>> and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
>>> determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
>>> during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
>>>
>> two words.
>>
>> Coleman Stove.
>>
>> del cecchi
>>
> Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
> couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
> into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
> power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
> copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
> when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

I wouldn't hesitate to use a coleman stove in the kitchen. Not really
any different than burning natural gas or propane. Keep it in a closet
or in the basement.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

Del Cecchi wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> Del Cecchi wrote:
>>
>>> ~patches~ wrote:
>>>
>>>> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This recent outage had me looking around at all the
>>>> gadgets/appliance I use that run on electricity. I was glad the
>>>> breadmaker wasn't on and I hadn't been in the middle of canning
>>>> something! I am more determined than ever to convert to a gas
>>>> range. Cooking outdoors during a power outage in the winter is the
>>>> pits!
>>>>
>>> two words.
>>>
>>> Coleman Stove.
>>>
>>> del cecchi
>>>
>> Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
>> couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
>> into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
>> power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
>> copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
>> when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.
>
>
> I wouldn't hesitate to use a coleman stove in the kitchen. Not really
> any different than burning natural gas or propane. Keep it in a closet
> or in the basement.
>
Our coleman uses white gas (naptha fuel). The flames when first
starting will easily shoot 5' in the air. There's no way I would
attempt to use it in the house or under an awning. We don't have a
basement because of a high water table. Now maybe a new propane coleman
stove would be different but I still don't think you are supposed to
use them indoors.

~patches~ wrote:
> Del Cecchi wrote:
>
snip
>> I wouldn't hesitate to use a coleman stove in the kitchen. Not really
>> any different than burning natural gas or propane. Keep it in a
>> closet or in the basement.
>>
> Our coleman uses white gas (naptha fuel). The flames when first
> starting will easily shoot 5' in the air. There's no way I would
> attempt to use it in the house or under an awning. We don't have a
> basement because of a high water table. Now maybe a new propane coleman
> stove would be different but I still don't think you are supposed to
> use them indoors.

5 feet!!!!!!!!! Holy cow. Mine only goes a few inches when starting,
then after maybe a minute and a little pump it is normal gas flame. I
burn "coleman fuel" which is like white gas or naptha.

I have never seen a coleman stove shoot up that far. Do you still have
eyebrows?

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

On 23-Sep-2005, ~patches~ > wrote:

> Del Cecchi wrote:
>
> > ~patches~ wrote:
> >
> >> Del Cecchi wrote:
> >>
> >>> ~patches~ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> snip
> >>>

> >
> Our coleman uses white gas (naptha fuel). The flames when first
> starting will easily shoot 5' in the air. There's no way I would
> attempt to use it in the house or under an awning. We don't have a
> basement because of a high water table. Now maybe a new propane coleman
> stove would be different but I still don't think you are supposed to
> use them indoors.

Your experience with your Colman stove is a surprise to me. I've had two or
three gas fired coleman stoves over the years and I'm never seen the burner
flare-up you describe. Mine acted pretty much like any gas stove except that
I had to place a little start-up lever in the start-up position for a minute or two.
I wouldn't hesitate to use one under my range hood.

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In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> Del Cecchi wrote:
>
> > ~patches~ wrote:
> >
> >> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> >
> > snip
> >
> >>
> >> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
> >> I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
> >> and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
> >> determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
> >> during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
> >>
> > two words.
> >
> > Coleman Stove.
> >
> > del cecchi
> >
> Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
> couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
> into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
> power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
> copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
> when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

Don't you have a door from the garage into the house?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ~patches~ > wrote:
>
>
>>Del Cecchi wrote:
>>
>>
>>>~patches~ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
>>>
>>>snip
>>>
>>>
>>>>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
>>>>I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
>>>>and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more
>>>>determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
>>>>during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
>>>>
>>>
>>>two words.
>>>
>>>Coleman Stove.
>>>
>>>del cecchi
>>>
>>
>>Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
>>couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
>>into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
>>power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
>>copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
>>when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.
>
>
> Don't you have a door from the garage into the house?

No the garage is detached from the house. We have to walk about 20' to
get to the garage. There is no access from the house

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:47:59 -0400, ~patches~ wrote:


>Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
>couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
>into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
>power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
>copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
>when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.

Patches I hate to mention something so basic, but you might have
forgotten about it. If there is a cord, hanging from the drive chain
on your garage door opener, you can pull the cord and lift the door by
hand.

Pan Ohco

Pan Ohco wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:47:59 -0400, ~patches~ wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
>>couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
>>into the garage. Even then cooking outdoors in the winter when the
>>power is out is not very pleasant since usually the wind is whipping
>>copious amounts of snow. We've used the coleman in the garage before
>>when the wind wasn't whipping snow into the garage.
>
>
> Patches I hate to mention something so basic, but you might have
> forgotten about it. If there is a cord, hanging from the drive chain
> on your garage door opener, you can pull the cord and lift the door by
> hand.
>
> Pan Ohco
>
Not if you are outside and the cord is inside and you can't get inside.
I couldn't get in through the garage door or the garage side door. I
had no way in to get to the cord.

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:47:59 -0400, ~patches~ wrote:
>
>
>>Yes we have one but had the side door of the garage so piled up I
>>couldn't open it and the garage door opener is electric so no getting
>>into the garage.

> Patches I hate to mention something so basic, but you might have
> forgotten about it. If there is a cord, hanging from the drive chain
> on your garage door opener, you can pull the cord and lift the door by
> hand.
>
> Pan Ohco

Pan,
I hate to mention something so basic, but you did not read what she wrote.

~patches~ wrote:
> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
> planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
> ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
> because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
> campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
> and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
> fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
> proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
> power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
> maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
> outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
> teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
> I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
> she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
> chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
> to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
> feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
> remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
> neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
> mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
> the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
> Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
> loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
> flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
> before 10 pm.
>
> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> outage in the winter is the pits!

but it is actually kind of fun bbqing in a snow storm! we keep our bbq
on a covered back porch in the winter, with a wall on the west side,
which protects from the wind. if we lose power everything gets grilled,
and water is heated on top of the pellet stove inside. myraide

Myraide wrote:

<snip>
>>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
>>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
>>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
>>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
>>outage in the winter is the pits!
>
>
> but it is actually kind of fun bbqing in a snow storm! we keep our bbq
> on a covered back porch in the winter, with a wall on the west side,
> which protects from the wind. if we lose power everything gets grilled,
> and water is heated on top of the pellet stove inside. myraide
>
It is fun and we do it quite a bit but not during snow storms when the
power is out. We've been looking at a pellet stove as we used to heat
with wood. I never worried about the power outages but this house only
has forced air. How do you like the pellet stove and is it inexpensive
to run?

I don't know how much pellet one goes through in a season, having never
had a pellet stove, but saw yesterday that pellets were $200 a ton
delivered in these parts.

Jessica

Jessica V. wrote:
> I don't know how much pellet one goes through in a season, having never
> had a pellet stove, but saw yesterday that pellets were $200 a ton
> delivered in these parts.


There's no way to estimate the quantity of any fuel without doing a
survey; particular climate, cubic feet to be heated, insulation values,
myriad data. And then initially the pellets are by far the least
costly part of the equation... there is still the stove, but mostly
there's the cost of a chimney and hearth. And in all but a very few
instances is a decorative fireplace located in a desirable place for
home heating purposes.

Sheldon

Jessica V. wrote:
> I don't know how much pellet one goes through in a season, having never
> had a pellet stove, but saw yesterday that pellets were $200 a ton
> delivered in these parts.
>
> Jessica
>


How does that compare to the cost of corn?

-Bob

"Jessica V." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I don't know how much pellet one goes through in a season, having never
> had a pellet stove, but saw yesterday that pellets were $200 a ton
> delivered in these parts.
>
> Jessica

A radio ad for pellet stoves says you can load in 50 pounds and it will burn
the entire day. That is $5 a day pr $150 a month. Not all that much of a
savings ($300 a year for my house) over more convenient fuels to invest in a
$1700+ stove. Pellet stoves are useless with power failures as they need
electricity to operate the auger.

http://www.hearth.com/fuelcalc/findoil.html

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "Jessica V." > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>I don't know how much pellet one goes through in a season, having never
>>had a pellet stove, but saw yesterday that pellets were $200 a ton
>>delivered in these parts.
>>
>>Jessica
>
>
> A radio ad for pellet stoves says you can load in 50 pounds and it will burn
> the entire day. That is $5 a day pr $150 a month. Not all that much of a
> savings ($300 a year for my house) over more convenient fuels to invest in a
> $1700+ stove. Pellet stoves are useless with power failures as they need
> electricity to operate the auger.
>
> http://www.hearth.com/fuelcalc/findoil.html
>
>
That's not much of a savings for us either. We'd be looking at
something that could be used during a power failure so we best stick to
a woodstove or perhaps use a solar panel to run the furnace fan.

~patches~ wrote:
> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I
> was planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to
> get the ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't
> realize it because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage
> for the campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my
> first clue and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing
> entry.

I don't know how big your campstove is, but you couldn't have carried it
through the house? Must be a big stove!

So I fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the
> side burner then proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I
> assured myself the power would be back on but took the precaution of
> covering my yogurt maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of
> chili filled the air outside and the power was still off. A couple
> of neighbours were in a teather because they couldn't cook and had
> nothing to eat, something I've never understood. One was quite funny
> because his wife is away and she does all the cooking. I invited him
> for dinner but he doesn't like chili.

His tough luck, then. He couldn't have been *that* hungry if he turned down
a free meal.

Everyone here knows the power
> goes out quite often some refuse to prepare for it. It's similar in
> the snowstorms we have - a couple of feet of snow dumped and at least
> one of the neighbours all of a sudden remembers they're out of milk
> which ultimately means all the other neighbours has to help get this
> one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the mom & pop is closed anyway. I
> baked biscuits on the grill to go with the chili so we had a nice
> meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles. Then we played cribbage
> for awhile while listening to a few neighbours loudly complaining
> about the power outage. We lent one of them a flashlight because he
> couldn't find his. The power finally came on just before 10 pm.
>
It's odd since you live in an area where there are frequent outages the
neighbors should be so outraged by the loss of power. I don't have that
problem unless it's a doozy of a storm, but I'm prepared for whatever
contingency.

> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
> I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
> and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something!

I'm sure you were! I don't have many electric gadgets, although my stove is
electric (that's what came with the apartment). I won't do electric
can-openers and stuff like that.

I am more
> determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
> during a power outage in the winter is the pits!

I wish I could have a gas range but the apartment complex isn't set up for
it. I keep a load of lump charcoal for my grill. I've turned out some
darned good meals on the trusty Weber kettle in times of emergencies. I was
without power for a week once and managed to eat well. Having cast iron
cookware sure does help. I don't understand people who won't prepare for
emergencies, particularly if they know they crop up frequently. We don't
get snow down here but sometimes get ice-storms which are much worse. Even
then I don't tend to lose power for more than a couple of hours. And I have
a fireplace. I can cook in that if I need to.

What's worse, to me, is when it's 90+F degrees and the only method of
cooking is outdoors over a hot fire and trying to keep ice in the ice chest
and freezer so all the food doesn't thaw out.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
>>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I
>>was planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to
>>get the ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't
>>realize it because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage
>>for the campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my
>>first clue and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing
>>entry.
>
>
> I don't know how big your campstove is, but you couldn't have carried it
> through the house? Must be a big stove!

The campstove is a coleman 2-burner but you can't use it in the house.
I couldn't get into the garage as one door was blocked and the door that
lets the car in wouldn't work without power. The garage is not attached
to the house.
>
> So I fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the
>
>>side burner then proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I
>>assured myself the power would be back on but took the precaution of
>>covering my yogurt maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of
>>chili filled the air outside and the power was still off. A couple
>>of neighbours were in a teather because they couldn't cook and had
>>nothing to eat, something I've never understood. One was quite funny
>>because his wife is away and she does all the cooking. I invited him
>>for dinner but he doesn't like chili.
>
>
> His tough luck, then. He couldn't have been *that* hungry if he turned down
> a free meal.

Well yes but he's elderly and is used to the old ways of the wife doing
everything and he is a very good neighbour. I kinda felt sorry for him
because he really just looked very lost as to how he would manage. I
pity him if she dies before him.
>
> Everyone here knows the power
>
>>goes out quite often some refuse to prepare for it. It's similar in
>>the snowstorms we have - a couple of feet of snow dumped and at least
>>one of the neighbours all of a sudden remembers they're out of milk
>>which ultimately means all the other neighbours has to help get this
>>one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the mom & pop is closed anyway. I
>>baked biscuits on the grill to go with the chili so we had a nice
>>meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles. Then we played cribbage
>>for awhile while listening to a few neighbours loudly complaining
>>about the power outage. We lent one of them a flashlight because he
>>couldn't find his. The power finally came on just before 10 pm.
>>
>
> It's odd since you live in an area where there are frequent outages the
> neighbors should be so outraged by the loss of power. I don't have that
> problem unless it's a doozy of a storm, but I'm prepared for whatever
> contingency.

It's the norm here and there's nothing we can do about it. The lines
are above ground so are less protected than buried lines and despite the
problems the lines won't be buried anytime soon. We can't get cable or
high speed internet here either. We keep an old fashion rotary dial
telephone because when the power goes out the cordless phones won't
work. People here are happy to have location, location, location as
well a good neighbours yet they will **** and moan each time the power
goes out. The point is people here know it happens so they should be
prepared period. I was negligent at not being able to get to the
campstove but I was still able to cook.
>
>
>>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance
>>I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
>>and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something!
>
>
> I'm sure you were! I don't have many electric gadgets, although my stove is
> electric (that's what came with the apartment). I won't do electric
> can-openers and stuff like that.

I gave up electric can-openers a long time ago. They are totally useless!
>
> I am more
>
>>determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
>>during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
>
>
> I wish I could have a gas range but the apartment complex isn't set up for
> it. I keep a load of lump charcoal for my grill. I've turned out some
> darned good meals on the trusty Weber kettle in times of emergencies. I was
> without power for a week once and managed to eat well. Having cast iron
> cookware sure does help. I don't understand people who won't prepare for
> emergencies, particularly if they know they crop up frequently. We don't
> get snow down here but sometimes get ice-storms which are much worse. Even
> then I don't tend to lose power for more than a couple of hours. And I have
> a fireplace. I can cook in that if I need to.

A week is a long time to go without power but enterprising people do it
all the time. I don't understand if you live in an area that you
wouldn't be prepared. Heck I could make several meals that didn't need
cooking and then cook what I needed. I agree with the cast iron and I
like using enamelware on the bbq. You can use the bbq as an oven so
most things are fair game. Unlike our last house we don't have a
fireplace or woodstove but that is on our lists of improvements. During
nice weather or even in the cold if the wind isn't whipping around we
have an outdoor firepit. I have a tripod for cooking stews, soups, and
chili over and a grill for meats and veggies. We have enough wood to
see us through an emergency and then some so if the gas wasn't working I
would have resorted to that. During the y2k scare there was some
speculation the gas wouldn't work if the power was out for any length of
time so I'm prepared that way. Most times though a power outage of 1 or
2 hours or less and you could easily get by without cooking.
>
> What's worse, to me, is when it's 90+F degrees and the only method of
> cooking is outdoors over a hot fire and trying to keep ice in the ice chest
> and freezer so all the food doesn't thaw out.

Yep! From camping experience that is a pain. If you can find a source
of dry ice that would be easier than reg ice. My concern last night
really revolved around the freezers. One is in the garage and the temps
were in the low 80's. We have a smaller chest freezer and side-by-side
in the house. The rule of thumb is not to open unless absolutely
necessary. The last major power outage was almost 48 hrs. We topped
the chest freezers with heavy blankets and they were fine but I really
worried about the one in the garage. IMO the side-by-side is useless
and wastes energy even though it looks good. It's on my hit list of
appliances to replace.
>
> Jill
>
>

~patches~ wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> ~patches~ wrote:
>>
>>> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during
>>> storms. Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a
>>> dilly. I
>>> was planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to
>>> get the ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't
>>> realize it because I started the ground beef and headed to the
>>> garage
>>> for the campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my
>>> first clue and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing
>>> entry.
>>
>>
>> I don't know how big your campstove is, but you couldn't have
>> carried it through the house? Must be a big stove!
>
> The campstove is a coleman 2-burner but you can't use it in the house.
> I couldn't get into the garage as one door was blocked and the door
> that
> lets the car in wouldn't work without power. The garage is not
> attached
> to the house.
>>
My parents have an electric garage but you can still open it manually. How
odd that you have to have electricity to pull the door up.

>> So I fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the
>>
>>> side burner then proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I
>>> assured myself the power would be back on but took the precaution of
>>> covering my yogurt maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of
>>> chili filled the air outside and the power was still off. A couple
>>> of neighbours were in a teather because they couldn't cook and had
>>> nothing to eat, something I've never understood. One was quite
>>> funny because his wife is away and she does all the cooking. I
>>> invited him
>>> for dinner but he doesn't like chili.
>>
>>
>> His tough luck, then. He couldn't have been *that* hungry if he
>> turned down a free meal.
>
> Well yes but he's elderly and is used to the old ways of the wife
> doing everything and he is a very good neighbour. I kinda felt sorry
> for him because he really just looked very lost as to how he would
> manage. I
> pity him if she dies before him.
>>
I feel that way about my 81 year old father. He would be lost without my
mother. It's only with his recent health problems he has started actively
acknowledging this. I'm afraid for years he simply took her for granted,
like her being there was just a given.

>> Everyone here knows the power
>>
>>> goes out quite often some refuse to prepare for it. It's similar in
>>> the snowstorms we have - a couple of feet of snow dumped and at
>>> least
>>> one of the neighbours all of a sudden remembers they're out of milk
>>> which ultimately means all the other neighbours has to help get this
>>> one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the mom & pop is closed anyway. I
>>> baked biscuits on the grill to go with the chili so we had a nice
>>> meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles. Then we played cribbage
>>> for awhile while listening to a few neighbours loudly complaining
>>> about the power outage. We lent one of them a flashlight because he
>>> couldn't find his. The power finally came on just before 10 pm.
>>>
>>
>> It's odd since you live in an area where there are frequent outages
>> the neighbors should be so outraged by the loss of power. I don't
>> have that problem unless it's a doozy of a storm, but I'm prepared
>> for whatever contingency.
>
> It's the norm here and there's nothing we can do about it. The lines
> are above ground so are less protected than buried lines and despite
> the problems the lines won't be buried anytime soon. We can't get
> cable or
> high speed internet here either. We keep an old fashion rotary dial
> telephone because when the power goes out the cordless phones won't
> work. People here are happy to have location, location, location as
> well a good neighbours yet they will **** and moan each time the power
> goes out. The point is people here know it happens so they should be
> prepared period. I was negligent at not being able to get to the
> campstove but I was still able to cook.
>>
>>
>>> This recent outage had me looking around at all the
>>> gadgets/appliance
>>> I use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on
>>> and I hadn't been in the middle of canning something!
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you were! I don't have many electric gadgets, although my
>> stove is electric (that's what came with the apartment). I won't do
>> electric can-openers and stuff like that.
>
> I gave up electric can-openers a long time ago. They are totally
> useless!
>>
>> I am more
>>
>>> determined than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors
>>> during a power outage in the winter is the pits!
>>
>>
>> I wish I could have a gas range but the apartment complex isn't set
>> up for it. I keep a load of lump charcoal for my grill. I've
>> turned out some darned good meals on the trusty Weber kettle in
>> times of emergencies. I was without power for a week once and
>> managed to eat well. Having cast iron cookware sure does help. I
>> don't understand people who won't prepare for emergencies,
>> particularly if they know they crop up frequently. We don't get
>> snow down here but sometimes get ice-storms which are much worse.
>> Even then I don't tend to lose power for more than a couple of
>> hours. And I have a fireplace. I can cook in that if I need to.
>
> A week is a long time to go without power but enterprising people do
> it
> all the time. I don't understand if you live in an area that you
> wouldn't be prepared. Heck I could make several meals that didn't
> need cooking and then cook what I needed. I agree with the cast iron
> and I
> like using enamelware on the bbq. You can use the bbq as an oven so
> most things are fair game. Unlike our last house we don't have a
> fireplace or woodstove but that is on our lists of improvements.
> During
> nice weather or even in the cold if the wind isn't whipping around we
> have an outdoor firepit. I have a tripod for cooking stews, soups,
> and
> chili over and a grill for meats and veggies. We have enough wood to
> see us through an emergency and then some so if the gas wasn't
> working I would have resorted to that. During the y2k scare there
> was some
> speculation the gas wouldn't work if the power was out for any length
> of
> time so I'm prepared that way. Most times though a power outage of 1
> or 2 hours or less and you could easily get by without cooking.
>>
>> What's worse, to me, is when it's 90+F degrees and the only method of
>> cooking is outdoors over a hot fire and trying to keep ice in the
>> ice chest and freezer so all the food doesn't thaw out.
>
> Yep! From camping experience that is a pain. If you can find a
> source
> of dry ice that would be easier than reg ice. My concern last night
> really revolved around the freezers. One is in the garage and the
> temps
> were in the low 80's. We have a smaller chest freezer and
> side-by-side
> in the house. The rule of thumb is not to open unless absolutely
> necessary. The last major power outage was almost 48 hrs. We topped
> the chest freezers with heavy blankets and they were fine but I really
> worried about the one in the garage. IMO the side-by-side is useless
> and wastes energy even though it looks good. It's on my hit list of
> appliances to replace.
>>
>> Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>
> My parents have an electric garage but you can still open it manually.
> How
> odd that you have to have electricity to pull the door up.

Not odd at all. The release is on the inside. From the outside you need
electric. If it could be released from the outside, you'd have no security.
The op has a detached garage and the alternate entry door was blocked.
While that is not very smart, I've done that myself in the past.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message

>> My parents have an electric garage but you can still open it manually.
>> How
>> odd that you have to have electricity to pull the door up.
>
> Not odd at all. The release is on the inside. From the outside you need
> electric. If it could be released from the outside, you'd have no
> security. The op has a detached garage and the alternate entry door was
> blocked. While that is not very smart, I've done that myself in the past.

I had a key for my garage door opener, you used that when the electricity
was out. I never had to use it, there is just crap in my garage.

nancy

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
>>My parents have an electric garage but you can still open it manually.
>>How
>>odd that you have to have electricity to pull the door up.
>
>
> Not odd at all. The release is on the inside. From the outside you need
> electric. If it could be released from the outside, you'd have no security.
> The op has a detached garage and the alternate entry door was blocked.
> While that is not very smart, I've done that myself in the past.
>
>
Exactly. The garage is set up this way for security and the manual
release is in the garage. I agree it wasn't smart blocking the side
door. We're cleaning out the garage today as part of getting ready for
winter so the spot will be cleared.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> Well yes but he's elderly and is used to the old ways of the wife doing
> everything and he is a very good neighbour. I kinda felt sorry for him
> because he really just looked very lost as to how he would manage. I
> pity him if she dies before him.

You don't really have to worry about your neighbor being alone. After my mom
died, at the funeral a couple of ladies from one of the senior clubs my
parents belonged to came in. They were STRONGLY encouraging dad to start
going to the senior clubs again. They were hitting on him, not 10 feet from
mom's coffin. At that age, women greatly outnumber men and a single man will
be well cared for if he wants it.

Gayle

Gayle wrote:

> They were hitting on him, not 10 feet from
> mom's coffin. At that age, women greatly outnumber men and a single
> man will be well cared for if he wants it.
>
> Gayle


I CAN'T WAIT!!!



Andy

Gayle wrote:
> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well yes but he's elderly and is used to the old ways of the wife doing
> > everything and he is a very good neighbour. I kinda felt sorry for him
> > because he really just looked very lost as to how he would manage. I
> > pity him if she dies before him.
>
> You don't really have to worry about your neighbor being alone. After my mom
> died, at the funeral a couple of ladies from one of the senior clubs my
> parents belonged to came in. They were STRONGLY encouraging dad to start
> going to the senior clubs again. They were hitting on him, not 10 feet from
> mom's coffin. At that age, women greatly outnumber men and a single man will
> be well cared for if he wants it.

Absolutely. After my mom passed dad never had to feed himself again,
had more invitations for dinner (and snacks) than he ever imagined...
in fact he never had to do his own laundry again, not even his
bedding... was never home to sleep in his own bed. I finally bought
him an answering machine for when he went home a couple times a week to
check his mail, otherwise he'd never know I was trying to call him...
he proved that old adage is true... women over fifty don't tell, don't
swell, and are gratefull as hell. Actually they do tell, everything,
at every opportunity. And those biddies didn't just hit on him, they
hit on me too!

Sheldon

In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
> planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
> ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
> because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
> campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
> and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
> fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
> proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
> power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
> maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
> outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
> teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
> I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
> she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
> chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
> to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
> feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
> remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
> neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
> mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
> the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
> Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
> loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
> flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
> before 10 pm.
>
> This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> outage in the winter is the pits!
>

Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...

Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ~patches~ > wrote:
>
>
>>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
>>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
>>planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
>>ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
>>because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
>>campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
>>and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
>>fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
>>proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
>>power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
>>maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
>>outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
>>teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
>>I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
>>she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
>>chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
>>to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
>>feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
>>remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
>>neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
>>mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
>>the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
>>Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
>>loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
>>flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
>>before 10 pm.
>>
>>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
>>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
>>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
>>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
>>outage in the winter is the pits!
>>
>
>
> Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
>
> Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?


Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.

-Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > ~patches~ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> >>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
> >>planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
> >>ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
> >>because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
> >>campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
> >>and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
> >>fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
> >>proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
> >>power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
> >>maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
> >>outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
> >>teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
> >>I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
> >>she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
> >>chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
> >>to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
> >>feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
> >>remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
> >>neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
> >>mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
> >>the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
> >>Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
> >>loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
> >>flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
> >>before 10 pm.
> >>
> >>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> >>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> >>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> >>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> >>outage in the winter is the pits!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
> >
> > Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
>
>
> Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
> It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.
>
> -Bob

Nonsense.


Sheldon

In article . com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> zxcvbob wrote:
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > ~patches~ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> > >>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
> > >>planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
> > >>ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
> > >>because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
> > >>campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
> > >>and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
> > >>fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
> > >>proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
> > >>power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
> > >>maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
> > >>outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
> > >>teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
> > >>I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
> > >>she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
> > >>chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
> > >>to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
> > >>feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
> > >>remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
> > >>neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
> > >>mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
> > >>the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
> > >>Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
> > >>loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
> > >>flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
> > >>before 10 pm.
> > >>
> > >>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> > >>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> > >>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> > >>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> > >>outage in the winter is the pits!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
> > >
> > > Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
> >
> >
> > Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
> > It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.
> >
> > -Bob
>
> Nonsense.
>
>
> Sheldon
>

What is your experience/objection to using sterno indoors Sheldon?
If you know something about it, please speak up! :-)

My house is all electric and if this storm causes a lengthy power
outage, it'd be easier for me to use the sterno stove for heating up
soup and stuff instead of dragging out the propane burner and cooking
outside in the rain.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article . com>,
> "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
> > zxcvbob wrote:
> > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > ~patches~ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> > > >>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
> > > >>planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
> > > >>ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
> > > >>because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
> > > >>campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
> > > >>and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
> > > >>fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
> > > >>proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
> > > >>power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
> > > >>maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
> > > >>outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
> > > >>teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
> > > >>I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
> > > >>she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
> > > >>chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
> > > >>to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
> > > >>feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
> > > >>remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
> > > >>neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
> > > >>mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
> > > >>the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
> > > >>Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
> > > >>loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
> > > >>flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
> > > >>before 10 pm.
> > > >>
> > > >>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> > > >>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> > > >>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> > > >>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> > > >>outage in the winter is the pits!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
> > > It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.
> > >
> > > -Bob
> >
> > Nonsense.
> >
> >
> > Sheldon
> >
>
> What is your experience/objection to using sterno indoors Sheldon?
> If you know something about it, please speak up! :-)
>
> My house is all electric and if this storm causes a lengthy power
> outage, it'd be easier for me to use the sterno stove for heating up
> soup and stuff instead of dragging out the propane burner and cooking
> outside in the rain.

I kinda like "grillin' in the rain"... is that a song... don't you own
an umbrella?

Sterno is okay for small keep-warm jobs but I'd never attempt to use it
for cooking indoors. You are far safer with propane, which can safely
be used indoors... my kitchen stove uses propane. There are portable
table top propane stoves that operate quite well with a small
cylinder... far safer than sterno in every respect. A small propane
cylinder is also much more economical as there is no waste... with
sterno once the can is opened you have to use it all as there is no way
to effectively reseal the can and it evaporates rather quickly... in
fact sterno evaporates from factory sealed cans so check them every six
months.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Sheldon

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
<snip>
> What is your experience/objection to using sterno indoors Sheldon?
> If you know something about it, please speak up! :-)
>

I can't answer for him and prefer not to read his posts a little flaw
with killfiles but I will answer your question.

> My house is all electric and if this storm causes a lengthy power
> outage, it'd be easier for me to use the sterno stove for heating up
> soup and stuff instead of dragging out the propane burner and cooking
> outside in the rain.

Our house is gas and electric in that the cooking is electric inside,
the dryer, hot water tank, furnace, and grill is gas. But the fan on
the furnace wont't work if the power is out so solar back-up is great.
If you have a spot outside such as the garage, sunporch, or whatever and
the elements won't bother you whatever you have. I know restaurants use
sterno to keep things warm. I question whether it would actually reheat
things to the desired temp. Now most restaurants are considerably
larger than your kitchen so maybe you might have a problem but they use
them in chaffing dishes. IMO I would not use sterno as a main cooking
fuel because of the instability and the co problem even for emergency
situations. In emergencies you want your equipment to perform without
worry. I can't say that sterno fits that criteria.
>
> Cheers!

In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > ~patches~ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We live in an area where the power goes out quite often during storms.
> >>Yesterday a storm blew up and I knew it was going to be a dilly. I was
> >>planning a pot of chili for dinner Before I had a chance to get the
> >>ground beef browning the power was out except I didn't realize it
> >>because I started the ground beef and headed to the garage for the
> >>campstove. The garage door opener didn't work which was my first clue
> >>and the side door to the garage was blocked preventing entry. So I
> >>fired up the gas grill and browned the gr beef on the side burner then
> >>proceeded to make chili. It was only 3:30 pm so I assured myself the
> >>power would be back on but took the precaution of covering my yogurt
> >>maker with a thick towel. By 6 pm the aroma of chili filled the air
> >>outside and the power was still off. A couple of neighbours were in a
> >>teather because they couldn't cook and had nothing to eat, something
> >>I've never understood. One was quite funny because his wife is away and
> >>she does all the cooking. I invited him for dinner but he doesn't like
> >>chili. Everyone here knows the power goes out quite often some refuse
> >>to prepare for it. It's similar in the snowstorms we have - a couple of
> >>feet of snow dumped and at least one of the neighbours all of a sudden
> >>remembers they're out of milk which ultimately means all the other
> >>neighbours has to help get this one guy's car unstuck. Meanwhile the
> >>mom & pop is closed anyway. I baked biscuits on the grill to go with
> >>the chili so we had a nice meal in the glow of oil lamps and candles.
> >>Then we played cribbage for awhile while listening to a few neighbours
> >>loudly complaining about the power outage. We lent one of them a
> >>flashlight because he couldn't find his. The power finally came on just
> >>before 10 pm.
> >>
> >>This recent outage had me looking around at all the gadgets/appliance I
> >>use that run on electricity. I was glad the breadmaker wasn't on and I
> >>hadn't been in the middle of canning something! I am more determined
> >>than ever to convert to a gas range. Cooking outdoors during a power
> >>outage in the winter is the pits!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
> >
> > Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
>
>
> Yes, it does eventually -- but only if it starts running out of oxygen.
> It should be of less concern than operating a conventional gas stove.
>
> -Bob

Cool, thanks!
I do have a bag of sterno and a small sterno burner. :-)
Was just not sure if it was safe for indoor use.

But, I also have a coleman camp stove.
I just need to have dad teach me how to use one.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>
> I also have a coleman camp stove.
> I just need to have dad teach me how to use one.

If it's one of Coleman's new propane type it's fine but never use any
white cas stove indoors.

In article . com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> >
> > I also have a coleman camp stove.
> > I just need to have dad teach me how to use one.
>
> If it's one of Coleman's new propane type it's fine but never use any
> white cas stove indoors.
>

It runs on the little propane tanks.
Thanks for the warning! :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

<snip>
> Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
>
> Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?

The problem with sterno is over time it evapourates so after a period of
time the tin becomes useless. This came from our y2k preparedness. I
would think sterno like anything burning would create carbon monoxide
but it must not be much because sterno is used in chaffing dishes. We
got this really neat stuff - compressed tioxane from an army surplus for
y2k. Each pack is enough to cook one meal and after the y2k scare
passed it made dandy firestarter for campfires. We still have a couple
of packs left just in case. By now they are likely explosives

In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
> >
> > Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
>
> The problem with sterno is over time it evapourates so after a period of
> time the tin becomes useless. This came from our y2k preparedness. I
> would think sterno like anything burning would create carbon monoxide
> but it must not be much because sterno is used in chaffing dishes. We
> got this really neat stuff - compressed tioxane from an army surplus for
> y2k. Each pack is enough to cook one meal and after the y2k scare
> passed it made dandy firestarter for campfires. We still have a couple
> of packs left just in case. By now they are likely explosives

heh!

The only thing I stocked up on for Y2K was cat and dog food.
Stored 30 days worth!

We have 2 weeks worth right now just in case of flash flooding.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ~patches~ > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Sterno is not great, but it works for backup...
>>>
>>>Anyone know if it generates corbon monoxide?
>>
>>The problem with sterno is over time it evapourates so after a period of
>>time the tin becomes useless. This came from our y2k preparedness. I
>>would think sterno like anything burning would create carbon monoxide
>>but it must not be much because sterno is used in chaffing dishes. We
>>got this really neat stuff - compressed tioxane from an army surplus for
>>y2k. Each pack is enough to cook one meal and after the y2k scare
>>passed it made dandy firestarter for campfires. We still have a couple
>>of packs left just in case. By now they are likely explosives
>
>
> heh!
>
> The only thing I stocked up on for Y2K was cat and dog food.
> Stored 30 days worth!
>
> We have 2 weeks worth right now just in case of flash flooding

Hey, I did one better. Besides my y2k stores I stocked up on a couple
of cats and one dog. I know for a fact cats make nice Chinese chicken
balls (local restaurant charge and found guilty) but I'm not sure how to
cook dog. At any rate I want one of those large meaty bread not one of
those Taco Bell dogs We had a nice aquarium of pond fish going too.
DH wasn't too excited about turning the pool into a trout farm. DH
actually turned a couple of pond fish into fishicles. I can't believe
it. I hear all are excellent food iffn'n ya be hungry enough