On Thu 27 Oct 2005 07:14:07p, Syssi wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed 26 Oct 2005 08:25:21p, Syssi wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jen" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog
>>>>>> >> they come across......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think dogs are just like men, but they don't have hands to scratch
>>>> their bums.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jen ---------------
>>>
>>> I read a quote a couple of months ago (but forgot the lady's name...I
>>> have it typewritten at work though!), "There are no bad dogs as there
>>> are no bad men; it's all in their training."
>>>
>>> <shrug> It just seemed appropriate!
>>>
>>
>> You are both wicked and evil she-devils and deserve to have neither dogs
>> nor men! :-)
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> ------------------
>
> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
>
> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
>

That is an answer I am not seeking. :-)

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Syssi wrote on 27 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> CHICKEN!!!
>

no just tastes like chicken.

--
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But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

On Thu 27 Oct 2005 08:00:35p, Syssi wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think dogs are just like men, but they don't have hands to
>>>>>> scratch their bums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jen ---------------
>>>>>
>>>>> I read a quote a couple of months ago (but forgot the lady's
>>>>> name...I have it typewritten at work though!), "There are no bad
>>>>> dogs as there are no bad men; it's all in their training."
>>>>>
>>>>> <shrug> It just seemed appropriate!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are both wicked and evil she-devils and deserve to have neither
>>>> dogs nor men! :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
>>> ------------------
>>>
>>> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
>>>
>>> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
>>>
>>
>> That is an answer I am not seeking. :-)
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
>> ------------------
>
> CHICKEN!!!
>
>

LOL! Not at all. It's just that I prefer men in leather.

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that practice is so disgusting that i won't even dignify it with a
comment

On Thu 27 Oct 2005 09:22:08p, Witchy Way wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> that practice is so disgusting that i won't even dignify it with a
> comment

LOL! You just did!

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In article >,
"Jen" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> > I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
> > job getting the "gross" off...
> >
> > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >
> > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
> >
> > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> > scrapes things pretty well.
>
>
> All my life I've had all sorts of pets. At the moment I have a husband, a
> 10 year old girl, a lab x, 2 cats, a budgie, and assorted goldfish. All of
> which are allowed to 'clean' the plates (although usually the goldfish and
> budgie don't!). I couldn't imagine it any other way, they're all family! I
> try to keep the house clean, and I vacuum and wash the floors almost very
> day, but I know there is going to be germs around, and there's not much I
> can do about it. I like to look at it another way - we've probably all got
> very good resistance to lots of things!!.

That tipped the "poll" over to about 60/40. :-)

Thanks!
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In article <PPf8f.10029$HW5.3898@trnddc04>,
"Syssi" > wrote:

> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed 26 Oct 2005 08:25:21p, Syssi wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jen" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog
> >>>>> >> they come across......
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I think dogs are just like men, but they don't have hands to scratch
> >>> their bums.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jen ---------------
> >>
> >> I read a quote a couple of months ago (but forgot the lady's name...I
> >> have it typewritten at work though!), "There are no bad dogs as there
> >> are no bad men; it's all in their training."
> >>
> >> <shrug> It just seemed appropriate!
> >>
> >
> > You are both wicked and evil she-devils and deserve to have neither dogs
> > nor men! :-)
> >
> > --
> > Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> ------------------
>
> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
>
> Have I told you why men like women in leather?

Do tell? <steeples hands>
This is getting interesting....... ;-)
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In article >,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Thu 27 Oct 2005 08:00:35p, Syssi wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > <snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think dogs are just like men, but they don't have hands to
> >>>>>> scratch their bums.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jen ---------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I read a quote a couple of months ago (but forgot the lady's
> >>>>> name...I have it typewritten at work though!), "There are no bad
> >>>>> dogs as there are no bad men; it's all in their training."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <shrug> It just seemed appropriate!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You are both wicked and evil she-devils and deserve to have neither
> >>>> dogs nor men! :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> >>> ------------------
> >>>
> >>> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
> >>>
> >>> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
> >>>
> >>
> >> That is an answer I am not seeking. :-)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> >> ------------------
> >
> > CHICKEN!!!
> >
> >
>
> LOL! Not at all. It's just that I prefer men in leather.

Oh! :-)
Me too.......
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In article >,
Mr Libido Incognito > wrote:

> Syssi wrote on 27 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>
> > CHICKEN!!!
> >
>
> no just tastes like chicken.

<cough> Almost had to call 911. ;-)
I'm going to have to learn not to be eating when I read your posts....

<rofl>
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In article .com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> > > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > IMHO the best defense against deer and gardens is deer netting.
> > > > Lowe's sells it in 6' and it's fairly cheap.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering who I have to bribe to get a variance allowing me to build a
> > > 12' chain link fence, like they have behind baseball home plates. :-) I
> > > really love my vegetable garden, so "overkill" is the operative word here.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I have a 6' perimeter fence in the back and I never get deer in my
> > garden... but I do have a dog loose in the yard! <lol>
> > I just "police" the yard daily.
> >
> > I know a deer can clear a 6' fence, but they don't.
> > Deer graze right across the street from my yard too.
> > --
>
> Deer don't like to jump into spaces that look too small, so a 6' fence
> around a relatively small garden will often work, whereas they won't be
> inhibited to jump a 6' fence around a large yard. -aem
>

Like I said, it's a PERIMETER fence, not a garden fence. It encloses my
entire property.
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In article .com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > >
> > It ticks me off when other dog owners "curb" their dogs on the front of
> > my property.
>
> Your property is full of poop what do you expect.
>
> Sheldon
>

No, it's not.
Whatever gave you that impression???
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In article .com>,
"SD" > wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
> > "SD" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> > > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >
> > >> Good for you. I once entered a relative's house, and her stupid border
> > >> collie leapt onto my chest, got her claw stuck in the chest pocket of a
> > >> $600
> > >> suit, and tore the left panel right off the jacket. Big learning
> > >> experience
> > >> for the lady. Expensive, too.
> > >
> > > It wasn't her stupid border collie. I was HER STUPIDITY in not properly
> > > training the dog. Most dog "problems" originate with the owners
> > > inability to be responsible dog owners. You're blaming the dog for the
> > > failings of it's owner.
> > >
> > > SD
> > >
> >
> > You're right, but it doesn't matter. Everyone's conditioned by the living
> > things they interact with, whether they be people, animals or plants with
> > thorns. Dogs train their owners, who cut them way too much slack to do
> > stupid things.
> >
> > And by the way, border collies have no use as pets in a typical
> > neighborhood. Selective breeding has created dogs which, if they were
> > people, would have flunked all their courses in high school and been in
> > juvenile detention centers by age 18.
>
> Um...I'm quite aware of the ins and outs of border collies, where they
> do belong and don't belong, what they are best suited for and their
> intelligence level. The combined dog training experience of me and my
> SO totals well over 50 years in a variety of herding, working, and
> terrier breeds. SO has been training and showing herding and working
> breed dogs since 1957. We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding but
> the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO has
> also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile people
> who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection work. If
> you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want to
> keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way down
> because they lousy pets for the average Joe. They invariably end up
> being put down as being vicious or sent to rescue to be rehabbed as a
> result of incompetent owners. We aquired one that way, from rescue
> because the wife was terrified of it and the husband was always away
> TDY in the military. The woman was terrieifed to train it her self and
> sent it off to a number of trainers who did nothing more than create a
> nearly psychotic dog. Dog training/obedience classes aren't about
> traing the dog..they're about training the owner to train their dog.
>
> SD
>

German shepard?
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In article . com>,
"SD" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > "SD" > wrote:
> >
> > > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > > "Goomba38" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be
> > > > >> dogs
> > > > >> which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or
> > > > >> harder) knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people
> > > > >> like
> > > > >> that, pretending not to notice that people don't want to be
> > > > >> slobbered?
> > > > > I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
> > > > > cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
> > > > > Goomba
> > > >
> > > > Good for you. I once entered a relative's house, and her stupid border
> > > > collie leapt onto my chest, got her claw stuck in the chest pocket of a
> > > > $600
> > > > suit, and tore the left panel right off the jacket. Big learning
> > > > experience
> > > > for the lady. Expensive, too.
> > >
> > > It wasn't her stupid border collie. I was HER STUPIDITY in not properly
> > > training the dog. Most dog "problems" originate with the owners
> > > inability to be responsible dog owners. You're blaming the dog for the
> > > failings of it's owner.
> > >
> > > SD
> > >
> >
> > Yes... and no.
> >
>
> It still boils down to stupidity of the owner. If the owner can't or
> won't spend the time to work through or adapt to the behavior problems
> or gets a dog that is not suitable for the owners life style, it's not
> the dog's fault for being in that situation. It's the fault of the
> human for setting the dog up to fail in the behavior department.
>
> SD
>

You are preaching to the choir but the point is that some dogs do tend
to have specific behavior problems that are more difficult to train out.

Nobody ever told me that by _allowing_ a dog her normal behavior (with
permission only) was going to solve the problem of her doing it when I
did not want her to.

I learned it by accident.

Sometimes you just have to work with a dogs normal behavior rather than
trying to suppress it completely.

At least it worked for us. ;-)

Cheers!
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In article >,
(Witchy Way) wrote:

> that practice is so disgusting that i won't even dignify it with a
> comment
>

You just did...... ;-D

B*B!
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"Witchy Way" > wrote in message
...
> that practice is so disgusting that i won't even dignify it with a
> comment
>

Which practice? You didn't include any of the text you're referring to.

Dinner at a dear friends house is a chore.

She's got two cocker spaniels,
and both are shameless beggars.

They beg ( vocally and nudgingly )
during food prep
during the meal
during clean-up.

She thinks "it's cute".

It's like having a bunch of unruly children
spoiling an otherwise delightful occasion.

<rj>

In article >,
"<RJ>" > wrote:

> Dinner at a dear friends house is a chore.
>
> She's got two cocker spaniels,
> and both are shameless beggars.
>
> They beg ( vocally and nudgingly )
> during food prep
> during the meal
> during clean-up.
>
> She thinks "it's cute".
>
> It's like having a bunch of unruly children
> spoiling an otherwise delightful occasion.
>
> <rj>

At that point, I'd put them outdoors. ;-)

Our cats tend to be overly-moochy sometimes, so out they go to the sun
porch! They can have the leftovers..... and the pans. <G>

Cheers!
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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
says...
>
> They beg ( vocally and nudgingly )
> during food prep
> during the meal
> during clean-up.
>
> She thinks "it's cute".
>

<groan> don't people like that just get on your nerves? Well, it's their
pets, realy I suppose.

Our dogs and cat get fed at set times. In their respective foodbowls
_only_. The dogs have to sit in their little houses and wait until the
food's been delivered, and are only allowed to come and get it upon
command.

The cat never howls for food or gets under your feet unless it's his
tucker time, and a two year old bearing an ice cream cone can walk
across our yard without being molested by the dogs ... that's the way
I like it :-)

-P.


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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:05:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> > three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding but
> > the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO has
> > also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile people
> > who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection work. If
> > you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want to
> > keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way down
> > because they lousy pets for the average Joe.
> >
>
> German shepard?
> --
*NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
are very, very smart.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:05:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> > > three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding but
> > > the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO has
> > > also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile people
> > > who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection work. If
> > > you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want to
> > > keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way down
> > > because they lousy pets for the average Joe.
> > >
> >
> > German shepard?
> > --
> *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> are very, very smart.
>

I would never underestimate a poodle.

Now with Dalmations, all bets are off. ;-)
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sf wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:05:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> > > three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding but
> > > the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO has
> > > also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile people
> > > who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection work. If
> > > you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want to
> > > keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way down
> > > because they lousy pets for the average Joe.
> > >
> >
> > German shepard?
> > --
> *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> are very, very smart.


I also said the Dutch SWAT teams use them as their K9. You would have
to know something about Dutch police operations to know what breed of
dog we own and train. If you know what breed of dog Sylvester Stallone,
singer Barbara Mandrell, and Olympic athlete Greg Louganis also have or
had as protection dogs you would also know what breed we have. :-)

SD

"sd" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> Three years ago, before getting my Toyota pickup, I thought (just for
>> grins)
>> I'd test a drive whatever was Chrysler's largest sedan at the time - I
>> forget the name. I got a mile down the road and two plastic panels fell
>> off
>> the underside of the dashboard. That ended the test drive.
>
> I once test-drove a Chrysler-company compact that was labeled
> "Shadow" on one side and "Sundance" on the other. That was a short
> test-drive, too.
>
> sd

Oh yeah.....assemblers huffin' reefer all day long. That's the car you want.

SD wrote:

>
> I also said the Dutch SWAT teams use them as their K9. You would have
> to know something about Dutch police operations to know what breed of
> dog we own and train. If you know what breed of dog Sylvester Stallone,
> singer Barbara Mandrell, and Olympic athlete Greg Louganis also have or
> had as protection dogs you would also know what breed we have. :-)

Are we talking something like a Belgian Shepherd? I have a Groenendahl. He is
uncannily intelligent.

sf wrote:

> *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> are very, very smart.

One of the best dogs we had was a Bouvier de Flandres. She was very loyal, very
gentle around children, and could scare the daylights out of people arriving at
our house. She used to park herself between the door and my wife when she went
to answer the doorbell.

In article .com>,
"SD" > wrote:

>
> I also said the Dutch SWAT teams use them as their K9. You would have
> to know something about Dutch police operations to know what breed of
> dog we own and train. If you know what breed of dog Sylvester Stallone,
> singer Barbara Mandrell, and Olympic athlete Greg Louganis also have or
> had as protection dogs you would also know what breed we have. :-)
>
> SD
>

http://www.savegsd.org/about_gsds_characteristics.htm
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In article .com>,
"SD" > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:05:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > > We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> > > > three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding but
> > > > the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO has
> > > > also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile people
> > > > who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection work. If
> > > > you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want to
> > > > keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way down
> > > > because they lousy pets for the average Joe.
> > > >
> > >
> > > German shepard?
> > > --
> > *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> > could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> > trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> > Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> > dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> > are very, very smart.
>
>
> I also said the Dutch SWAT teams use them as their K9. You would have
> to know something about Dutch police operations to know what breed of
> dog we own and train. If you know what breed of dog Sylvester Stallone,
> singer Barbara Mandrell, and Olympic athlete Greg Louganis also have or
> had as protection dogs you would also know what breed we have. :-)
>
> SD
>

The biography says Pitt Bull...
I know they are unjustly villianized, but a good bloodline can be the
best dog in the world.

A bad one is really bad.

Genetics in ANY animal plays a big part.

My neighbors have them and they are ass holes.
But so is anyone that does not TRAIN their dogs!

I'll stick with my shelties and collies, thanks. ;-)
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Richard Kaszeta wrote:

>
>
> Speaking as someone who spent almost 3 years training and fostering
> difficult shelter dogs, this is probably a bigger issue than the
> breed. Dogs can learn a lot of bad habits in 9 months...

Shelters are full of problem dogs. Many of them runners or the previous
owners got rid of them. I picked up a beautiful looking dog at the pound 6
years ago. He is a Shepherd / Bouvier cross, and absolutely clueless. He was
not house trained when I got him at age 1 1/2. I suspect that he had been
tied up and ignored all the time. He was a challenge.

After we had him for a year we adopted a 5 year old Groenendahl. He belonged
to a family where the man operated a business from home and had to care for a
2 year old and a new-born because his wife had been hospitalized with mental
problems. He had been acting up at home because the owner had no time to take
him out for the exercise he so badly needed. He has been a wonderful dog. He
was also a great role model for the pound mutt. There was a 100% improvement
in the mutt within a week of this guy's arrival.

Here we are 5 years later with two calm, well behaved dogs. Well, one very
well behaved dog and one idiot who is more controllable than he used to be.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "SD" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:05:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > >
> > > > We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> > > > > three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding but
> > > > > the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO has
> > > > > also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile people
> > > > > who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection work. If
> > > > > you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want to
> > > > > keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way down
> > > > > because they lousy pets for the average Joe.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > German shepard?
> > > > --
> > > *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> > > could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> > > trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> > > Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> > > dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> > > are very, very smart.
> >
> >
> > I also said the Dutch SWAT teams use them as their K9. You would have
> > to know something about Dutch police operations to know what breed of
> > dog we own and train. If you know what breed of dog Sylvester Stallone,
> > singer Barbara Mandrell, and Olympic athlete Greg Louganis also have or
> > had as protection dogs you would also know what breed we have. :-)
> >
> > SD
> >
>
> The biography says Pitt Bull...
> I know they are unjustly villianized, but a good bloodline can be the
> best dog in the world.


Pit bulls aren't herding-breed dogs.

SD

Dave Smith wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
> > *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> > could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> > trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> > Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> > dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> > are very, very smart.
>
> One of the best dogs we had was a Bouvier de Flandres. She was very loyal, very
> gentle around children, and could scare the daylights out of people arriving at
> our house. She used to park herself between the door and my wife when she went
> to answer the doorbell.

Bingo. Lying in doorways between owner and all others is characteristic
of the breed. Friends use them in their coin shop and there is always
one bouvier between the entrance to the back counter area and the store
and another lying in the entrance to the walk in safe.

Ours always place themselves between us and the door to the bedroom at
night or if we answer the door between us and the person at the front
entrance way.

They're great dogs in the right hands....but many end up in rescue
because owners fail to train them properly...and a large dog with a
dominant personality is a danger. We ended up with one like that from
rescue - dominant alpha bitch whose owner was terrified of her - the
dog ran the house and just had to snarl to get what she wanted.
Eventually the owner would isolate the dog in the yard and toss in food
and water exacerbating the existing problems.

Heck, they can be dangerous when well trained and just horsing around
with their owners! I've had a broken nose and busted fingers at the
expense of play time with these guys.

SD

In article .com>,
"SD" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article .com>,
> > "SD" > wrote:
> >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:05:49 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We also own cattle/sheep herding dogs, currently
> > > > > > three, down from 5. The breed we own not only is used for herding
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > the Dutch swat teams use them as their K-9 dog of choice. The SO
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > also trained a few as personal protection dogs for high profile
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > who don't want one of the traditional dogs used for protection
> > > > > > work. If
> > > > > > you don't know what breed I'm talking about, good because we want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > keep it that way. Most of us who own this breed keep the PR way
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > because they lousy pets for the average Joe.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > German shepard?
> > > > > --
> > > > *NOT* a standard protection dog, which a german shepard is. So, it
> > > > could be anything from an Austrailian Sheep Dog *which I'm having
> > > > trouble visualing as a personal protection dog* to a pitbull.
> > > > Personally, I'd take a standard poodle any day. They look like sissy
> > > > dogs, but they have big hearts, protect their families naturally and
> > > > are very, very smart.
> > >
> > >
> > > I also said the Dutch SWAT teams use them as their K9. You would have
> > > to know something about Dutch police operations to know what breed of
> > > dog we own and train. If you know what breed of dog Sylvester Stallone,
> > > singer Barbara Mandrell, and Olympic athlete Greg Louganis also have or
> > > had as protection dogs you would also know what breed we have. :-)
> > >
> > > SD
> > >
> >
> > The biography says Pitt Bull...
> > I know they are unjustly villianized, but a good bloodline can be the
> > best dog in the world.
>
>
> Pit bulls aren't herding-breed dogs.
>
> SD
>

Well then, you should not have mentioned Greg Louganis.
According to the Biography I googled, he owned pitt bulls.

But, if you want to be an ass and keep it a secret, be that way. ;-)

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

SD wrote:

> Heck, they can be dangerous when well trained and just horsing around
> with their owners! I've had a broken nose and busted fingers at the
> expense of play time with these guys.
>

They have a hell of a bite. I was used to having to discipline puppies for biting,
but wasn't sure what do to about my Bouvier because she never bit, never gnawed at
fingers or snapped. When she was about 6 months old I was wrestling with her and she
grabbed my wrist with her teeth and squeezed. My hand went numb. I decided not to
play that game again.

Dave Smith wrote:
> SD wrote:
>
> > Heck, they can be dangerous when well trained and just horsing around
> > with their owners! I've had a broken nose and busted fingers at the
> > expense of play time with these guys.
> >
>
> They have a hell of a bite. I was used to having to discipline puppies for biting,
> but wasn't sure what do to about my Bouvier because she never bit, never gnawed at
> fingers or snapped. When she was about 6 months old I was wrestling with her and she
> grabbed my wrist with her teeth and squeezed. My hand went numb. I decided not to
> play that game again.

We know ring sport decoys who went home bruised after bouviers had a
fling with them during ring sport trials. The body slam bruised left
them hobbling and the bite, though the suit, left them black and blue.
Very tough, powerful dogs.

On the other hand, our now deceased old guy, was discriminating enough
to know that a mentally challenged 20 year old lurching towards him was
no threat and submitted to be hugged and told pupy puppy puppy" over
and over again. On the other hand,the caretaker who attmepted to
manhandle the poor fellow and smack him was greeted by 90 pounds of
rumbling dog between her and the young man.

SD

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <& "Syssi" <
<snip>>
>> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
>>
>> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
>
> Do tell? <steeples hands>
> This is getting interesting....... ;-)
> --
> Om.
>========

I'll post it tomorrow. I have the quote/joke at work...
--
Syssi

In article <EPy9f.320$7d.235@trnddc01>,
"Syssi" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <& "Syssi" <
> <snip>>
> >> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
> >>
> >> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
> >
> > Do tell? <steeples hands>
> > This is getting interesting....... ;-)
> > --
> > Om.
> >========
>
> I'll post it tomorrow. I have the quote/joke at work...

Promise??? ;-D
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> Depends on the age group...
> Back when I was in nursery school (age 3 and yes I still remember), they
> had specific punishments for biting children.
>
> It was more of a problem amoung boys. Not quite sure why.....
>
> Police officers get bitten more than you might think too.
> HIV is tested for when that happens.

Again, a small number of bites versus dog bites. The vast majority
of the world's population are not preschool aged (especially with every
country, even third world countries, lowering their birth rate), and
specifically not three, and most people aren't criminals.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article >,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>
> > Depends on the age group...
> > Back when I was in nursery school (age 3 and yes I still remember), they
> > had specific punishments for biting children.
> >
> > It was more of a problem amoung boys. Not quite sure why.....
> >
> > Police officers get bitten more than you might think too.
> > HIV is tested for when that happens.
>
> Again, a small number of bites versus dog bites. The vast majority
> of the world's population are not preschool aged (especially with every
> country, even third world countries, lowering their birth rate), and
> specifically not three, and most people aren't criminals.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>


Uh, no, police officers get bitten by humans far more often than
dogs...... ADULT humans, not 3 year olds.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article <EPy9f.320$7d.235@trnddc01>,
> "Syssi" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <& "Syssi" <
>> <snip>>
>> >> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
>> >>
>> >> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
>> >
>> > Do tell? <steeples hands>
>> > This is getting interesting....... ;-)
>> > --
>> > Om.
>> >========
>>
>> I'll post it tomorrow. I have the quote/joke at work...
>
> Promise??? ;-D
> --
> Om.
>
---------------------

Ummm... sorry... a bit late...

Why do men's hearts beat quicker, go weak in the knees, get dry throats and
think irrationally when women wear leather?
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
Because they smell like a new truck!

In article <9%Vaf.4012$dU6.3482@trnddc03>,
"Syssi" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <EPy9f.320$7d.235@trnddc01>,
> > "Syssi" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <& "Syssi" <
> >> <snip>>
> >> >> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Have I told you why men like women in leather?
> >> >
> >> > Do tell? <steeples hands>
> >> > This is getting interesting....... ;-)
> >> > --
> >> > Om.
> >> >========
> >>
> >> I'll post it tomorrow. I have the quote/joke at work...
> >
> > Promise??? ;-D
> > --
> > Om.
> >
> ---------------------
>
> Ummm... sorry... a bit late...
>
> Why do men's hearts beat quicker, go weak in the knees, get dry throats and
> think irrationally when women wear leather?
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> Because they smell like a new truck!
>
>

ROFL!!! That was good!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" & "Syssi" wrote:
>
>> >> <snip>>
>> >> >> And surprisingly enough...I have both!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have I told you why men like women in leather?


>> >> > Do tell? <steeples hands>
>> >> > This is getting interesting....... ;-)
>> >> > --
>> >> > Om.


>> >> I'll post it tomorrow. I have the quote/joke at work...
>> >
>> > Promise??? ;-D
>> > --
>> > Om.


>> Ummm... sorry... a bit late...
>>
>> Why do men's hearts beat quicker, go weak in the knees, get dry throats
>> and
>> think irrationally when women wear leather?
>> .
>> Because they smell like a new truck!


> ROFL!!! That was good!
> --
> Om.
>------------

I wish I could take the credit for it. I thought it was quite cute, too!
--
Syssi