In article > ,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (ms. tonya) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > (OmManiPadmeOmelet)WROTE:
> > > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans? I know
> > > it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good job
> > > getting the "gross" off...
> > > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> > > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> > > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
> > > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> > > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> > > scrapes things pretty well.
> > > Cheers!
> >
> > ROFL!!!
> > If you treat your dogs for heartworm like you are supposed to, they
> > won't have tapeworms. ;-)
> >
> > Also, dog tapeworms are not contagious to humans.
> >
> > And I use bleach in my dishwater...
> >
> > Cheers!
> > --
>
> Tapeworms in dogs are caused by fleas, not heartworm. You need Frontline
> for fleas, Heartguard for heartworm.
>
> kili
>
>

<sigh> I know that...
The point is that Heartworm is treated with Ivermectin.
If you treat dogs for heartworm, the same drug will also kill tapeworms.

Ask your vet.

I also use front line to control fleas on both cats and dogs, and front
line also controls ear mites.

In cats, I use Cestex when I see tapeworms. Since I have so many cats,
the vet just sells me a bottle of 100 tabs at a time for $160.00. When I
see tapeworm segments in the cats, I treat.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article .com>,
"Carol Damsel Peterson" > wrote:

> kilikini wrote:
> >
> > I miss having a dog (it's been a year now), but I used to let mine lick the
> > plates and I hand wash. I don't care!
>
> Our dogs pre-clean a the pans we cook meat in. Actually makes clean-up
> a lot easier. The pans/plates are a little slimy, but that washes off
> easily.
>
> Carol
>

IMHO clean up is much easier also.
And there really is not enough "stuff" in the pans to hurt the dogs.
It's just a treat, and it's not every day.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >> "aem" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >>>
> >>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >>>> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> >>>> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a
> >>>> good job getting the "gross" off...
> >>>>
> >>>> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
> >>>> this practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >>>>
> >>> Somewhere near 90% of pet owners feed table scraps to their dogs and
> >>> cats. According to the American Humane Society it's a bad idea,
> >>> introducing too much uncontrolled variety, and very often at least in
> >>> the U.S. too much fat, into their diets. Of course the dogs like it,
> >>> but the owners are supposed to know better.
> >>
> >> Sounds right, but cats that spend time outdoors introduce plenty of
> >> uncontrolled variety to their diets, usually with no ill effect.
> >> Moths, earthworms, and rodent brains are big favorites.
> >
> > That's normal for outdoor cats. Even indoor cats will go after flies and
> > spiders and such; it's the hunting instinct. It's funny to watch my
> > (indoor) cat leap in the air after a housefly has gotten in and buzzes
> > around her head. It's like it is teasing her. She eventually triumphs.
> > This isn't the same as feeding table scraps.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> >
>
> Yeah..I know. I'm just being a pain in the ass. :-) Another reason not to
> feed them odd stuff: I have a recipe for sausage/kale soup. I sometimes add
> shrimp, scallops or firm fish when I serve it. Gave 3 shrimp to my 4 month
> old cat on Monday night. All day Tuesday, she walked around farting. It was
> worse than when my son and his friends wolf down 1 can each of baked beans,
> to see who can be the king of gross two hours later.
>
>

Really??? Kitty is sensitive. :-)
My cats beg when I'm cleaning shrimp and I indulge them a little bit.
I've not run into that.

Fancy feast cat food makes Selene fart tho'.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article .com>,
> > "-L." > wrote:
> >
> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> >> > I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
> >> > job getting the "gross" off...
> >> >
> >> > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
> >> > this
> >> > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >> >
> >> > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
> >> >
> >> > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> >> > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> >> > scrapes things pretty well.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers!
> >>
> >> My husband would divorce me.
> >>
> >> -L.
> >
> > So looks like the "poll" is about at 50/50 now. :-)
>
> Well....think of it this way: If a fly gets in your food, are you happy
> eating it? Dogs are lower life forms than flies. Why let them near your
> dishes, even if those dishes are going to be boiled afterward?
>
>

Flies walk on my food at slaughter plants but I never see it.
I cook that food.

I clean pots and pans with hot water, soap and bleach after the dogs
have cleaned them.

Bacteria float around in the air. Ever done bacteriological air or water
samples? We do this at work. It's enlightening. We routinely culture the
deionizer as part of weekly maintenance and bleach when the count PPM
becomes too high.

It's pretty gross what we breath, eat and drink on a daily basis. ;-)
Culture your water faucet some time. Or your shower head.

Germs live in the environment. A little dog spit, washed clean, isn't
going to hurt us. That's just being paranoid IMHO.

YMMV.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (ms. tonya) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> (OmManiPadmeOmelet)WROTE:
> >> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans? I know
> >> it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good job
> >> getting the "gross" off...
> >> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> >> practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >> And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
> >> I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> >> particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> >> scrapes things pretty well.
> >> Cheers!
> >
> > ROFL!!!
> > If you treat your dogs for heartworm like you are supposed to, they
> > won't have tapeworms. ;-)
> >
> > Also, dog tapeworms are not contagious to humans.
> >
> > And I use bleach in my dishwater...
>
> The dish soap changes the pH of the water more than enough to kill germs.
> You don't need bleach.
>
>

Probably true, but bleach kills cold viruses too...
I don't worry about that with the dogs, people spit is more dangerous.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Doug Kanter wrote:
>> >> "aem" > wrote in message
>> >> ups.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> >>>> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
>> >>>> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a
>> >>>> good job getting the "gross" off...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
>> >>>> this practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>> Somewhere near 90% of pet owners feed table scraps to their dogs and
>> >>> cats. According to the American Humane Society it's a bad idea,
>> >>> introducing too much uncontrolled variety, and very often at least in
>> >>> the U.S. too much fat, into their diets. Of course the dogs like it,
>> >>> but the owners are supposed to know better.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds right, but cats that spend time outdoors introduce plenty of
>> >> uncontrolled variety to their diets, usually with no ill effect.
>> >> Moths, earthworms, and rodent brains are big favorites.
>> >
>> > That's normal for outdoor cats. Even indoor cats will go after flies
>> > and
>> > spiders and such; it's the hunting instinct. It's funny to watch my
>> > (indoor) cat leap in the air after a housefly has gotten in and buzzes
>> > around her head. It's like it is teasing her. She eventually
>> > triumphs.
>> > This isn't the same as feeding table scraps.
>> >
>> > Jill
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yeah..I know. I'm just being a pain in the ass. :-) Another reason not
>> to
>> feed them odd stuff: I have a recipe for sausage/kale soup. I sometimes
>> add
>> shrimp, scallops or firm fish when I serve it. Gave 3 shrimp to my 4
>> month
>> old cat on Monday night. All day Tuesday, she walked around farting. It
>> was
>> worse than when my son and his friends wolf down 1 can each of baked
>> beans,
>> to see who can be the king of gross two hours later.
>>
>>
>
> Really??? Kitty is sensitive. :-)
> My cats beg when I'm cleaning shrimp and I indulge them a little bit.
> I've not run into that.

I forgot to mention that the soup was QUITE spicy. I seem to have grown some
mutant jalapeños this year - two of them in 3 gallons of soup, and it was
pushing the limit for a couple of dinner victims. I drained all the soup off
the shrimp before giving them to kitty, and she ate them VERY happily. But,
the next day, I wonder if she felt like some people do after a dozen serious
chicken wings.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >> >> "aem" > wrote in message
> >> >> ups.com...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >> >>>> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> >> >>>> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a
> >> >>>> good job getting the "gross" off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
> >> >>>> this practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Somewhere near 90% of pet owners feed table scraps to their dogs and
> >> >>> cats. According to the American Humane Society it's a bad idea,
> >> >>> introducing too much uncontrolled variety, and very often at least in
> >> >>> the U.S. too much fat, into their diets. Of course the dogs like it,
> >> >>> but the owners are supposed to know better.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds right, but cats that spend time outdoors introduce plenty of
> >> >> uncontrolled variety to their diets, usually with no ill effect.
> >> >> Moths, earthworms, and rodent brains are big favorites.
> >> >
> >> > That's normal for outdoor cats. Even indoor cats will go after flies
> >> > and
> >> > spiders and such; it's the hunting instinct. It's funny to watch my
> >> > (indoor) cat leap in the air after a housefly has gotten in and buzzes
> >> > around her head. It's like it is teasing her. She eventually
> >> > triumphs.
> >> > This isn't the same as feeding table scraps.
> >> >
> >> > Jill
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yeah..I know. I'm just being a pain in the ass. :-) Another reason not
> >> to
> >> feed them odd stuff: I have a recipe for sausage/kale soup. I sometimes
> >> add
> >> shrimp, scallops or firm fish when I serve it. Gave 3 shrimp to my 4
> >> month
> >> old cat on Monday night. All day Tuesday, she walked around farting. It
> >> was
> >> worse than when my son and his friends wolf down 1 can each of baked
> >> beans,
> >> to see who can be the king of gross two hours later.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Really??? Kitty is sensitive. :-)
> > My cats beg when I'm cleaning shrimp and I indulge them a little bit.
> > I've not run into that.
>
> I forgot to mention that the soup was QUITE spicy. I seem to have grown some
> mutant jalapeños this year - two of them in 3 gallons of soup, and it was
> pushing the limit for a couple of dinner victims. I drained all the soup off
> the shrimp before giving them to kitty, and she ate them VERY happily. But,
> the next day, I wonder if she felt like some people do after a dozen serious
> chicken wings.
>
>

<snork> That's funny. ;-)

How well did you water the Jalapenos?
I've found that drier conditions tend to grow them hotter!

The cockatoo is the beneficiary of most of my hot peppers. I have "wild"
chile pequins (or however the hell it's spelled) and she just adores
them. I just have to be careful not to play "kissy beak" when her beak
is still pink from munching ripe peppers! <G>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:34:17 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> wrote:

>How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
>I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
>job getting the "gross" off...
>
>I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
>practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)

My parents have had several dogs and letting them lick people dishes
or pans was unthinkable from both a people and dog point of view. The
dogs got fed twice a day and although they had specific people-food
treats given after their meals, they did not get table scraps. They
didn't beg for food although they sometimes were jealous of the cats,
who got fed more often during the day.

My parents have a dishwasher so they don't need help ;>

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

elaine wrote:

> I love my 2 dogs and cat, but count me out for having them scrape the
> remains of supper....
>
> On the very odd occasion, my kids will let them lick their plates. 'Gross'
>
> And I hope that the dishwasher will wash away all the germs.
>
> E.
>
The facts of it are that the dog has less germs in his mouth than you do.
I was not raised with dogs, but now I have one and have gotten used to
allowing him to lick the dishes, pots and pans. If they're going into
the dishwasher, with a heat dry, any pathogens should be well taken care
of. It just took some getting used to..and I do want my pooch to feel
like one of the family LOL
Gooomba

rosie wrote:


> . My Molly is a large Shetland Sheep Dog! She turned out to be a lot
> bigger than any one would believe, tho not at all fat. I think she
> simply did not read the brochure!
>
> She is the same color and looks a lot like Lassie, one of her favorite
> pastimes is chasing the deer.
>
> Rosie
>
Ohmygosh!! My dog is a collie-spaniel-mystery farm dog mix (looks like
Lassie but with spanial spots too) and topped out at almost 60 pounds.
THe SPCA said his mother was only about 20 pounds. God only knows what
his father was?? LOL

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:47:02 -0500, "jmcquown"
> wrote:
>
>Table scraps and people food, nope. Sampson lived to be almost 18 under my
>watchful, loving eye
>
>Would I let him lick a plate or a pan? No way.
>
>Jill
>
For my cats as well, I'm with you on both counts! An advantage is
that they don't come around while I'm cooking pestering me for food.
One of my previous cats, adopted as an adult, used to do so, and I
couldn't turn my back on chicken!

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

And I use a small amount of bleach in my dishwater. Not that I'm
worried
about dog spit, (soap is a great "sterilizer") but to kill cold
viruses.

Cheers!
I have a dog and two cats, both live in the house and are part of the
family, I figure we all share the same germs anyway!

Rosie

"kilikini" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> (ms. tonya) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > (OmManiPadmeOmelet)WROTE:
>> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans? I know
>> > it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good job
>> > getting the "gross" off...
>> > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
>> > this
>> > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>> > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
>> > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
>> > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
>> > scrapes things pretty well.
>> > Cheers!
>>
>> ROFL!!!
>> If you treat your dogs for heartworm like you are supposed to, they
>> won't have tapeworms. ;-)
>>
>> Also, dog tapeworms are not contagious to humans.
>>
>> And I use bleach in my dishwater...
>>
>> Cheers!
>> --
>
> Tapeworms in dogs are caused by fleas, not heartworm. You need Frontline
> for fleas, Heartguard for heartworm.
>
> kili
>
>
Actually there are products that combine both functions.

MoM

In article .com>,
"rosie" > wrote:

> And I use a small amount of bleach in my dishwater. Not that I'm
> worried
> about dog spit, (soap is a great "sterilizer") but to kill cold
> viruses.
>
> Cheers!
> I have a dog and two cats, both live in the house and are part of the
> family, I figure we all share the same germs anyway!
>
> Rosie
>

Too true. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...

>> >
>> > Really??? Kitty is sensitive. :-)
>> > My cats beg when I'm cleaning shrimp and I indulge them a little bit.
>> > I've not run into that.
>>
>> I forgot to mention that the soup was QUITE spicy. I seem to have grown
>> some
>> mutant jalapeños this year - two of them in 3 gallons of soup, and it was
>> pushing the limit for a couple of dinner victims. I drained all the soup
>> off
>> the shrimp before giving them to kitty, and she ate them VERY happily.
>> But,
>> the next day, I wonder if she felt like some people do after a dozen
>> serious
>> chicken wings.
>>
>>
>
> <snork> That's funny. ;-)
>
> How well did you water the Jalapenos?
> I've found that drier conditions tend to grow them hotter!

I work from home, and fuss over the garden about 83 times a day, so most of
the plants were *almost sort of* drip irrigated - endless visits with the
watering can.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article .com>,
>> > "-L." > wrote:
>> >
>> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> >> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
>> >> > I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a
>> >> > good
>> >> > job getting the "gross" off...
>> >> >
>> >> > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
>> >> > this
>> >> > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked
>> >> > something
>> >> > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it
>> >> > and
>> >> > scrapes things pretty well.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> My husband would divorce me.
>> >>
>> >> -L.
>> >
>> > So looks like the "poll" is about at 50/50 now. :-)
>>
>> Well....think of it this way: If a fly gets in your food, are you happy
>> eating it? Dogs are lower life forms than flies. Why let them near your
>> dishes, even if those dishes are going to be boiled afterward?
>>
>>
>
> Flies walk on my food at slaughter plants but I never see it.
> I cook that food.
>
> I clean pots and pans with hot water, soap and bleach after the dogs
> have cleaned them.
>
> Bacteria float around in the air. Ever done bacteriological air or water
> samples? We do this at work. It's enlightening. We routinely culture the
> deionizer as part of weekly maintenance and bleach when the count PPM
> becomes too high.
>
> It's pretty gross what we breath, eat and drink on a daily basis. ;-)
> Culture your water faucet some time. Or your shower head.
>
> Germs live in the environment. A little dog spit, washed clean, isn't
> going to hurt us. That's just being paranoid IMHO.

Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners. Combine
certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles, dogs,
guns and power tools are on the list. :-)

"Curly Sue" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:34:17 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> > wrote:
>
>>How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
>>I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
>>job getting the "gross" off...
>>
>>I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
>>practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>
> My parents have had several dogs and letting them lick people dishes
> or pans was unthinkable from both a people and dog point of view. The
> dogs got fed twice a day and although they had specific people-food
> treats given after their meals, they did not get table scraps. They
> didn't beg for food although they sometimes were jealous of the cats,
> who got fed more often during the day.
>
> My parents have a dishwasher so they don't need help ;>

Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be dogs
which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or harder)
knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like that,
pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?

OmManiPadmeOmelet > writes:
> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?

I never do this, since

(a) Like everyone else in the house, I try to make sure he eats
healthy food, and, more importantly
(b) The poor guy has a lot of food allergies, and most anytime he
licks a dish or eats table scraps it triggers them. Yes, he *can*
scratch continuously for an entire 12 hour period.

So 99% of his diet is his hypoallergenic kibble, with the occasional
treat of unadulterated meat and some veggies. Oh, and the serrano
peppers he eats right off the plants.

--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

"Curly Sue" > wrote in

> > wrote:
>>
>>Table scraps and people food, nope. Sampson lived to be almost 18 under
>>my
>>watchful, loving eye
>>
>>Would I let him lick a plate or a pan? No way.

> For my cats as well, I'm with you on both counts! An advantage is
> that they don't come around while I'm cooking pestering me for food.
> One of my previous cats, adopted as an adult, used to do so, and I
> couldn't turn my back on chicken!

Oh, you don't love pets watching you eat, drooling at every forkful,
pleading with their eyes to pleasepleaseplease gimme a bite? Bad
manners, I say ... my pets only got maybe a small bite after everyone
was done eating. Amazes people, Rascal would just sit quietly under
the table while everyone was eating, where's the dog? Couldn't
believe it.

Besides, people food isn't all that good for them, as other people have
said. Once in a blue moon I'd say Eggie! and my dog would be so
happy, I'd scramble one up for her for a treat. Well, she had horrible
allergies, and turns out one of her biggest was eggs. Whoops.

Funny, the neighbors would slip her a hot dog through the fence once
in a while, so if they had a barbeque, forget it. But she'd be so torn,
you're not supposed to watch, but they have hotdogs!!! Saw her
all conflicted, she finally ran underneath a forsythia and watched them
from her invisible hot dog blind. So funny.

But, no, I don't let the pets clean the dishes, I just stick them in the
dishwasher. They sit there unrinsed until I run a load, could be 3
days later.

nancy

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
> job getting the "gross" off...
>
> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>
> And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
>
> I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> scrapes things pretty well.
>
Never, when I had dogs in the house. Their saliva is too slimey - it
was bad enough just poking pills down their throats ;-)

However, I would love to have a dog in the kitchen, just to keep the
floor clean!

LOL.

N.

In article >,
says...
>
> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
> job getting the "gross" off...
>
> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>
> And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
>

Oh boy, I sure wouldn't want to end up a 2nd stage host for dog
tapeworm, or hydatids, or get infected with some of the other nasties
dogs carry around. Sheesh.

In fact, my (4)dogs are not even allowed across the threshold. Working
sheep and cattle dogs, collies. They do get the leftovers, but served in
the dog bowl, thank you very much.

The mere thought makes those treacherous juices flow under my tongue.

-P.

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Doug Kanter wrote:


> Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be dogs
> which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or harder)
> knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like that,
> pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?
>
I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
Goomba

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "kilikini" > wrote:


> > Tapeworms in dogs are caused by fleas, not heartworm. You need
Frontline
> > for fleas, Heartguard for heartworm.
> >
> > kili
> >
> >
>
> <sigh> I know that...

Uhhmm, forgive my ignorance you two, but how the hell do fleas cause animals
to suffer from an intestinal parasite like a tapeworm (Dipylidium
caninum)?!? OK - Google has answered! That's one stage of their development
I hadn't learned of - 'thanks' (not!) for inflaming my curiosity concerning
tapeworms, intestines, fleas and pet's arses... Heheheh... ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>> Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be dogs
>> which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or
>> harder) knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like
>> that, pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?
> I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
> cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
> Goomba

Good for you. I once entered a relative's house, and her stupid border
collie leapt onto my chest, got her claw stuck in the chest pocket of a $600
suit, and tore the left panel right off the jacket. Big learning experience
for the lady. Expensive, too.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote

> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:

>> Does your dishwasher have its own heater to raise the water temp higher
>> than
>> that of the house's main water heater?

> You can set the thermostat on the water heater. Mine is set at 140.

Expensive little detail ... keeping 40 whatever gallons of water that hot
24/7 for a few dishes a day. The dishwasher just heats up what it uses
from the water heater. Also, I can tolerate hot water on my hands, but
not as hot as the dishwasher gets ... I can't even touch the plates when
the wash/rinse is done without letting them sit, they're nasty hot!

I think most dishwashers come with that anymore.

nancy

"djs0302" > wrote in message
oups.com...

<snip>

> Most if not all dishwasher detergents contain bleach so any dog germs
> are killed when the dishes are washed. Besides "they" say that a dog's
> mouth is cleaner than a human's.

No great shakes there.


Ever had a 'human bite" one of the worst you can get.

Dimitri

On 26 Oct 2005 06:52:52 -0700, "Nancy1" >
wrote:

>
>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
>> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
>> job getting the "gross" off...
>>
>> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
>> practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>>
>> And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
>>
>> I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
>> particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
>> scrapes things pretty well.
>>
>Never, when I had dogs in the house. Their saliva is too slimey - it
>was bad enough just poking pills down their throats ;-)
>
>However, I would love to have a dog in the kitchen, just to keep the
>floor clean!
>
>LOL.
>
>N.


Dogs seem to have an uncanny sense of hearing when it comes to edibles
hitting the floor in the kitchen. It isn't just the scent, because my
Rosie does not come arunnin' when the prep work is being done, but if
I drop the smallest morsel, that Bichon is a white tornado into the
kitchen.

Of course, she has also been known to climb up onto the kitchen table
if edibles have been left there inadvertently when we go out. We left
a 4lb can of steel cut oats on the table a few days ago. It never
occurred to us she'd have any interest in it. We got home & she had
knocked it off the table, chewed through the plastic snap-on cover and
eaten quite a bit. It did not seem to agree with her, either, so we
were punished twice.

Boron

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote
>
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
> >> Does your dishwasher have its own heater to raise the water temp higher
> >> than
> >> that of the house's main water heater?
>
> > You can set the thermostat on the water heater. Mine is set at 140.
>
> Expensive little detail ... keeping 40 whatever gallons of water that hot
> 24/7 for a few dishes a day. The dishwasher just heats up what it uses
> from the water heater. Also, I can tolerate hot water on my hands, but
> not as hot as the dishwasher gets ... I can't even touch the plates when
> the wash/rinse is done without letting them sit, they're nasty hot!
>
> I think most dishwashers come with that anymore.
>
> nancy
>
>

I don't keep it that hot for a few dishes, I keep it that hot so I can
take longer showers. ;-)

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article .com>,
> >> > "-L." > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >> >> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> >> >> > I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a
> >> >> > good
> >> >> > job getting the "gross" off...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked
> >> >> > something
> >> >> > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > scrapes things pretty well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers!
> >> >>
> >> >> My husband would divorce me.
> >> >>
> >> >> -L.
> >> >
> >> > So looks like the "poll" is about at 50/50 now. :-)
> >>
> >> Well....think of it this way: If a fly gets in your food, are you happy
> >> eating it? Dogs are lower life forms than flies. Why let them near your
> >> dishes, even if those dishes are going to be boiled afterward?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Flies walk on my food at slaughter plants but I never see it.
> > I cook that food.
> >
> > I clean pots and pans with hot water, soap and bleach after the dogs
> > have cleaned them.
> >
> > Bacteria float around in the air. Ever done bacteriological air or water
> > samples? We do this at work. It's enlightening. We routinely culture the
> > deionizer as part of weekly maintenance and bleach when the count PPM
> > becomes too high.
> >
> > It's pretty gross what we breath, eat and drink on a daily basis. ;-)
> > Culture your water faucet some time. Or your shower head.
> >
> > Germs live in the environment. A little dog spit, washed clean, isn't
> > going to hurt us. That's just being paranoid IMHO.
>
> Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners. Combine
> certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles, dogs,
> guns and power tools are on the list. :-)
>
>

Ah, so you hate dogs.... I'm so sorry. ;-)
I know some dog owners are ass holes, but mine are trained and wonderful
animals. I don't let them stay out and bark all night, they are
spayed/neutered and I don't let them run free. You shouldn't hate dogs,
just stupid dog owners.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:46:31 -0400, "MoM" >
wrote:

>
>"kilikini" > wrote in message
om...
>>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> (ms. tonya) wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > (OmManiPadmeOmelet)WROTE:
>>> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
I use bleach in my dishwater...
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> --
>>
>> Tapeworms in dogs are caused by fleas, not heartworm. You need
Frontline
>> for fleas, Heartguard for heartworm.
>>
>> kili
>>
>>
>Actually there are products that combine both functions.
>
>MoM
>
There is a product that does prevent heartworm and will control Round
worms and one other worm but it isn't tape worms.Revolution which you
apply to the back of their neck- cats and dogs. When I treat my dogs
for the icky looking tapeworm, that pill costs over $3.

aloha,
Thunder dog
smithfarms.com
Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee
& other Great Stuff

In article >,
Goomba38 > wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
> > Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be dogs
> > which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or
> > harder)
> > knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like that,
> > pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?
> >
> I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
> cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
> Goomba

Ditto here. ;-)

I can leave the front gate open so I can unload groceries without them
trying to run away.

They also come when they are called!

Always.

And they know what "No!" means.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article ws.net>,
"Shaun aRe" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > "kilikini" > wrote:
>
>
> > > Tapeworms in dogs are caused by fleas, not heartworm. You need
> Frontline
> > > for fleas, Heartguard for heartworm.
> > >
> > > kili
> > >
> > >
> >
> > <sigh> I know that...
>
> Uhhmm, forgive my ignorance you two, but how the hell do fleas cause animals
> to suffer from an intestinal parasite like a tapeworm (Dipylidium
> caninum)?!? OK - Google has answered! That's one stage of their development
> I hadn't learned of - 'thanks' (not!) for inflaming my curiosity concerning
> tapeworms, intestines, fleas and pet's arses... Heheheh... ',;~}~
>
>
>
> Shaun aRe
>
>

Heh! ;-)
That is one of the more important aspects of flea control.....
Dogs and cats both get tapeworm from eating fleas.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...

>> Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners. Combine
>> certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles,
>> dogs,
>> guns and power tools are on the list. :-)
>>
>>
>
> Ah, so you hate dogs.... I'm so sorry. ;-)
> I know some dog owners are ass holes, but mine are trained and wonderful
> animals. I don't let them stay out and bark all night, they are
> spayed/neutered and I don't let them run free. You shouldn't hate dogs,
> just stupid dog owners.
>
> Cheers!

Do you walk them off your property?

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "Goomba38" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be dogs
> >> which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or
> >> harder) knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like
> >> that, pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?
> > I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
> > cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
> > Goomba
>
> Good for you. I once entered a relative's house, and her stupid border
> collie leapt onto my chest, got her claw stuck in the chest pocket of a $600
> suit, and tore the left panel right off the jacket. Big learning experience
> for the lady. Expensive, too.
>
>

<confused look> Why would anyone spend $600.00 on a suit jacket?
That's just wierd.

Ross, or even most good dept. stores have them for about $40.00 and IMHO
they are just as nice! :-)

Never could understand that whole expensive designer clothes fetish
thing. They're just clothes...... I would not even recognize it if I saw
it.

Same for watches and cars. A $10.00 Timex tells just as good of time as
a $1000,00 rolex, and my $14,000 Chevy gets me around the world just as
good as a $50,000 BMW. I'd rather spend the money on having a nice
house, or really good food.

But, to each their own priorities!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners. Combine
> >> certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles,
> >> dogs,
> >> guns and power tools are on the list. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ah, so you hate dogs.... I'm so sorry. ;-)
> > I know some dog owners are ass holes, but mine are trained and wonderful
> > animals. I don't let them stay out and bark all night, they are
> > spayed/neutered and I don't let them run free. You shouldn't hate dogs,
> > just stupid dog owners.
> >
> > Cheers!
>
> Do you walk them off your property?
>
>

Not normally, but if I do, I carry a handful of ziplock bags.

I hate it when other people let their dogs crap on the front my
property, so I don't allow it either.

Some people are ass holes.
I do my level best not to be. :-)

My yard is fully fenced so the dogs have plenty of freedom.
They don't need to be "curbed".
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> >> Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners.
>> >> Combine
>> >> certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles,
>> >> dogs,
>> >> guns and power tools are on the list. :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Ah, so you hate dogs.... I'm so sorry. ;-)
>> > I know some dog owners are ass holes, but mine are trained and
>> > wonderful
>> > animals. I don't let them stay out and bark all night, they are
>> > spayed/neutered and I don't let them run free. You shouldn't hate dogs,
>> > just stupid dog owners.
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>>
>> Do you walk them off your property?
>>
>>
>
> Not normally, but if I do, I carry a handful of ziplock bags.
>
> I hate it when other people let their dogs crap on the front my
> property, so I don't allow it either.

You may be better than most. I've asked dog units here to NOT let their dogs
stop on my property. Some point to their little coprophilia bag and say "But
I'm gonna clean it up". I politely say "That's fine, but even so, please do
it elsewhere". Some of them argue, or sneak back at night and discover, to
their surprise, that some people sit outside at night and watch the stars.
That's when the trouble begins. Fun for me, not for them.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "Goomba38" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Doug Kanter wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be
>> >> dogs
>> >> which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or
>> >> harder) knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like
>> >> that, pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?
>> > I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
>> > cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
>> > Goomba
>>
>> Good for you. I once entered a relative's house, and her stupid border
>> collie leapt onto my chest, got her claw stuck in the chest pocket of a
>> $600
>> suit, and tore the left panel right off the jacket. Big learning
>> experience
>> for the lady. Expensive, too.
>>
>>
>
> <confused look> Why would anyone spend $600.00 on a suit jacket?
> That's just wierd.

The entire suit was $600.00. This was back in the late 70s, when decent
suits were made here, and $400 to $600 was what it took to get a suit whose
panels were sewn, not heat-laminated. If not sewn, they begin to pucker
after a few visits to the cleaners.

Now, you can get semi-decent suits for $300.00, if you don't mind sending
money to a dictatorship (China). If you prefer not to support the kind of
government you complain about at cocktail parties, you'll still spend upward
of $500.00 for a suit.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>>
>><lol> I do let the cats "do" some dishes once in awhile too, but IMHO
>>they don't do as good of a job......
>
>
> We only have cats, but they get to "do" the dishes when I know I've cooked
> something they really like. I enjoy watching them!
>


Be careful with cats. Just one high fat meal can cause
pancreatitis in cats, which is quite serious.

As far as any animal "washing" dishes or pots, the thought
creeps me out.

gloria p

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
> job getting the "gross" off...
>
> I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
>
> And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
>
> I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> scrapes things pretty well.

If you actually _really_ wash them afterward, I suppose it's okay,
though it still grosses me out.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
>
> I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)

Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.

Regards,
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