In article > ,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> Ever had a 'human bite" one of the worst you can get.

Isn't this a bit like saying Daddy Long Legs have the most poisonous
venom? Dogs bite a whole lot more than humans.

Regards,
Ranee

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"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article >,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>
> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
> >
> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
>
> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner party.
That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because I let
the dogs clean the pans. ;-)

I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the dogs.

Hepatitis comes to mind.......

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners. Combine
> >> certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles,
> >> dogs,
> >> guns and power tools are on the list. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ah, so you hate dogs.... I'm so sorry. ;-)
> > I know some dog owners are ass holes, but mine are trained and wonderful
> > animals. I don't let them stay out and bark all night, they are
> > spayed/neutered and I don't let them run free. You shouldn't hate dogs,
> > just stupid dog owners.
> >
> > Cheers!
>
> Do you walk them off your property?
>
>

On the rare occasions that I do, I pick up their leavings with a ziplock
bag.

It ticks me off when other dog owners "curb" their dogs on the front of
my property, so I don't do it either.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Nancy Young wrote:

> Expensive little detail ... keeping 40 whatever gallons of water that hot
> 24/7 for a few dishes a day. The dishwasher just heats up what it uses
> from the water heater. Also, I can tolerate hot water on my hands, but
> not as hot as the dishwasher gets ... I can't even touch the plates when
> the wash/rinse is done without letting them sit, they're nasty hot!
>
> I think most dishwashers come with that anymore.
>
> nancy

My fancy new Whirlpool Duet clothes washer does the same thing. I think
its a great invention.
Goomba

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> >> Not paranoid. I just can't stand dogs, and some of their owners.
> >> >> Combine
> >> >> certain people with certain things, and there's trouble. Automobiles,
> >> >> dogs,
> >> >> guns and power tools are on the list. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Ah, so you hate dogs.... I'm so sorry. ;-)
> >> > I know some dog owners are ass holes, but mine are trained and
> >> > wonderful
> >> > animals. I don't let them stay out and bark all night, they are
> >> > spayed/neutered and I don't let them run free. You shouldn't hate dogs,
> >> > just stupid dog owners.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers!
> >>
> >> Do you walk them off your property?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Not normally, but if I do, I carry a handful of ziplock bags.
> >
> > I hate it when other people let their dogs crap on the front my
> > property, so I don't allow it either.
>
> You may be better than most. I've asked dog units here to NOT let their dogs
> stop on my property. Some point to their little coprophilia bag and say "But
> I'm gonna clean it up". I politely say "That's fine, but even so, please do
> it elsewhere". Some of them argue, or sneak back at night and discover, to
> their surprise, that some people sit outside at night and watch the stars.
> That's when the trouble begins. Fun for me, not for them.
>
>

Teach them better manners like my parents taught me. ;-)

I'm ok with that......

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On Wed 26 Oct 2005 10:47:23a, Puester wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>>
>>><lol> I do let the cats "do" some dishes once in awhile too, but IMHO
>>>they don't do as good of a job......
>>
>>
>> We only have cats, but they get to "do" the dishes when I know I've
>> cooked something they really like. I enjoy watching them!
>>
>
>
> Be careful with cats. Just one high fat meal can cause
> pancreatitis in cats, which is quite serious.
>
> As far as any animal "washing" dishes or pots, the thought
> creeps me out.
>
> gloria p
>

They actually get very little. To them, it's the "idea" that they're
getting forbidden food. :-)


--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>> Ever had a 'human bite" one of the worst you can get.
>
> Isn't this a bit like saying Daddy Long Legs have the most poisonous
> venom? Dogs bite a whole lot more than humans.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

Please do not bring statistically valid ideas to this discussion. :-)

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Goomba38" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Good parents, good dog owners. I suspect that the opposite would be
> >> >> dogs
> >> >> which slobber all over new visitors, even as the visitors gently (or
> >> >> harder) knee them in the face. What the hell's wrong with people like
> >> >> that, pretending not to notice that people don't want to be slobbered?
> >> > I'm a good parent and a good dog owner. My dogs do lick plates and
> >> > cookware yet never slobber on visitors.
> >> > Goomba
> >>
> >> Good for you. I once entered a relative's house, and her stupid border
> >> collie leapt onto my chest, got her claw stuck in the chest pocket of a
> >> $600
> >> suit, and tore the left panel right off the jacket. Big learning
> >> experience
> >> for the lady. Expensive, too.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > <confused look> Why would anyone spend $600.00 on a suit jacket?
> > That's just wierd.
>
> The entire suit was $600.00. This was back in the late 70s, when decent
> suits were made here, and $400 to $600 was what it took to get a suit whose
> panels were sewn, not heat-laminated. If not sewn, they begin to pucker
> after a few visits to the cleaners.
>
> Now, you can get semi-decent suits for $300.00, if you don't mind sending
> money to a dictatorship (China). If you prefer not to support the kind of
> government you complain about at cocktail parties, you'll still spend upward
> of $500.00 for a suit.
>
>

Whatever works for you. :-)
I just cannot justify spending huge amounts of money on clothing.
It wears out too fast! I can't get most good pants to last more than
maybe 5 or 6 years.

Same for watches and cars...

And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and China.
Reality is difficult to escape from...

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article >,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>
> > How many people here let the dogs "pre-clean" the roasting pans?
> > I know it sure makes cleaning them easier as the dogs really do a good
> > job getting the "gross" off...
> >
> > I found, much to my surprise, that many of my co-workers join me in this
> > practice when I've talked about it at work. :-)
> >
> > And I know the dogs sure appreciate it.
> >
> > I also let them do the skillet once in awhile if I've cooked something
> > particularly messy. The border collie even gets her teeth into it and
> > scrapes things pretty well.
>
> If you actually _really_ wash them afterward, I suppose it's okay,
> though it still grosses me out.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

Hot soap and water does the job....... :-)

The poll is still sitting at about 50%.
This has been interesting!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...

> And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and China.
> Reality is difficult to escape from...

China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into American
cars, it would be a vast improvement.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and China.
> > Reality is difficult to escape from...
>
> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into American
> cars, it would be a vast improvement.
>
>

Depends on the car.
I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made in
Japan by Isuzu?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and China.
>> > Reality is difficult to escape from...
>>
>> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into American
>> cars, it would be a vast improvement.
>>
>>
>
> Depends on the car.
> I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made in
> Japan by Isuzu?

No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my late
20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No reason to go
back for another round of abuse.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and China.
> >> > Reality is difficult to escape from...
> >>
> >> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into American
> >> cars, it would be a vast improvement.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Depends on the car.
> > I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made in
> > Japan by Isuzu?
>
> No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my late
> 20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No reason to go
> back for another round of abuse.
>
>

But, that has been fixed!

I got seriously burned on repair costs to foreign cars.
It costs about 1/2 price to repair american cars!
And they have fixed the problems now due to competition. You may want to
seriously consider giving them another chance. :-)

After getting seriously screwed on repair costs to a german car, I gave
it away to the local recycler and bought a Chevy S-10 pickup truck!
Never needed a single shop visit until 80,000 miles and that was for a
clogged fuel filter. At 100,000 miles, I had to replace the catalytic
converter and that only cost me $250.00.

I will ONLY buy American from now on! :-)
Foreign car dealers gouge for repair costs to their cars. I just can't
deal with that any more.

YMMV.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>>
>> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
>> >
>> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
>>
>> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ranee
>
> You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner party.
> That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because I
> let
> the dogs clean the pans. ;-)
>
> I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the
> dogs.
>
> Hepatitis comes to mind.......

but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
come across......

Doug Kanter wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>
>>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and
>>>> China. Reality is difficult to escape from...
>>>
>>> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into
>>> American cars, it would be a vast improvement.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Depends on the car.
>> I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are
>> made in Japan by Isuzu?
>
> No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my
> late 20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No
> reason to go back for another round of abuse.

Hear hear, Doug! The only cars I ever had a serious problem with were "all
American". Had a (used, low milage) Mustang once, 1977 model. Cute little
car, nothing but problems. Ditto the Pontiac my ex-husband bought. Since
then I've had nothing but Toyotas (nary a problem) and a new 2002 Hyundai.

Only problem I've had with the Hyundai was the switch for the brake lights.
It broke a couple of months after I got it. I drove home one night, got
out, my brake lights were still on even though the car was turned off. They
were *waiting for me* at the dealership after I called when I got home from
work and described the problem. "Right this way, we've been expecting you."
The mechanic told me that was a really odd occurrence; they replaced it and
I was on my way in under an hour. They didn't have the part in stock.
Rather than make me leave the car and wait, they took the part off one of
the new cars in the lot and left a note for the sales manager to order one
for *that* car. Excellent service!

100,000 mile/10 year warranty including powertrain and 24/7 free roadside
assistance. That plus an excellent little car, can't beat it with a stick


Jill

In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Ranee Mueller > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
> >> >
> >> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
> >>
> >> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ranee
> >
> > You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner party.
> > That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because I
> > let
> > the dogs clean the pans. ;-)
> >
> > I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the
> > dogs.
> >
> > Hepatitis comes to mind.......
>
> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
> come across......
>
>

So do humans. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

jmcquown wrote:

> 100,000 mile/10 year warranty including powertrain and 24/7 free
> roadside assistance. That plus an excellent little car, can't beat it
> with a stick


Do you mean can't beat a manual transmission or the old saying?

Andy

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:42:19 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:


>Police officers get bitten more than you might think too.
>HIV is tested for when that happens.

While I was working I was bitten by 1 dog and 7 people, at different
time of course.
And the dog let go right away, the people did not.


Pan Ohco

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> > And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and
>> >> > China.
>> >> > Reality is difficult to escape from...
>> >>
>> >> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into
>> >> American
>> >> cars, it would be a vast improvement.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Depends on the car.
>> > I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made
>> > in
>> > Japan by Isuzu?
>>
>> No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my
>> late
>> 20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No reason to
>> go
>> back for another round of abuse.
>>
>>
>
> But, that has been fixed!

Who told you that?


> I got seriously burned on repair costs to foreign cars.
> It costs about 1/2 price to repair american cars!

Compared to WHICH foreign cars? The "fact" you're stating is not backed up
by my experience with 3 Toyotas vs 2 American company cars, a Chevy and a
Ford.

> And they have fixed the problems now due to competition. You may want to
> seriously consider giving them another chance. :-)
>

> After getting seriously screwed on repair costs to a german car,

Per my (independent) mechanic, people who buy German cars should be prepared
to support a "culture of endless repairs", as he puts it. He prefers
Toyotas, because people tend to get mad at whatever mechanic they're
standing in front of when there are major problems, and Toyotas don't put
him in that position often.

> I will ONLY buy American from now on! :-)
> Foreign car dealers gouge for repair costs to their cars. I just can't
> deal with that any more.

Which foreign car dealers? Which brands?

On Wed 26 Oct 2005 12:06:57p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> Subject: Cars (WAS: Poll: "Dog" washing pans???)
> From: "jmcquown" >
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and
>>>>> China. Reality is difficult to escape from...
>>>>
>>>> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into
>>>> American cars, it would be a vast improvement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Depends on the car.
>>> I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made
>>> in Japan by Isuzu?
>>
>> No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my
>> late 20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No
>> reason to go back for another round of abuse.
>
> Hear hear, Doug! The only cars I ever had a serious problem with were
> "all American". Had a (used, low milage) Mustang once, 1977 model.
> Cute little car, nothing but problems. Ditto the Pontiac my ex-husband
> bought. Since then I've had nothing but Toyotas (nary a problem) and a
> new 2002 Hyundai.

That goes for me, too. I have owned a Ford, two Chevys, several VWs, a
Honda, several Toyotas, and now I'm on my 2nd Mitsubishi. Guess which ones
I had problems with? The Ford and Chevys. I have the same type of bumper
to bumper warranty on my current Mitsubishi that Jill has on her Hyundai.
The only problem I've ever had with a non-American car was a broken timing
belt on the Honda at 145,000 miles. It was not a surprise, since its
replacement was recommended well before that.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Andy wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> 100,000 mile/10 year warranty including powertrain and 24/7 free
>> roadside assistance. That plus an excellent little car, can't beat
>> it with a stick
>
>
> Do you mean can't beat a manual transmission or the old saying?
>
> Andy

Both. I always drive manual transmissions

Jill

In article >,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Wed 26 Oct 2005 12:06:57p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> > Subject: Cars (WAS: Poll: "Dog" washing pans???)
> > From: "jmcquown" >
> >
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> In article >,
> >>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>> And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and
> >>>>> China. Reality is difficult to escape from...
> >>>>
> >>>> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into
> >>>> American cars, it would be a vast improvement.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Depends on the car.
> >>> I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made
> >>> in Japan by Isuzu?
> >>
> >> No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my
> >> late 20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No
> >> reason to go back for another round of abuse.
> >
> > Hear hear, Doug! The only cars I ever had a serious problem with were
> > "all American". Had a (used, low milage) Mustang once, 1977 model.
> > Cute little car, nothing but problems. Ditto the Pontiac my ex-husband
> > bought. Since then I've had nothing but Toyotas (nary a problem) and a
> > new 2002 Hyundai.
>
> That goes for me, too. I have owned a Ford, two Chevys, several VWs, a
> Honda, several Toyotas, and now I'm on my 2nd Mitsubishi. Guess which ones
> I had problems with? The Ford and Chevys. I have the same type of bumper
> to bumper warranty on my current Mitsubishi that Jill has on her Hyundai.
> The only problem I've ever had with a non-American car was a broken timing
> belt on the Honda at 145,000 miles. It was not a surprise, since its
> replacement was recommended well before that.

Oddly enough, this Chevy (A '99) has been the car I've had the LEAST
trouble with out of all of them...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
Pan Ohco > wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:42:19 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>
> >Police officers get bitten more than you might think too.
> >HIV is tested for when that happens.
>
> While I was working I was bitten by 1 dog and 7 people, at different
> time of course.
> And the dog let go right away, the people did not.
>
>
> Pan Ohco
>

Ouch. :-(

Got scars?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

jmcquown wrote:

>
> Hear hear, Doug! The only cars I ever had a serious problem with were "all
> American". Had a (used, low milage) Mustang once, 1977 model. Cute little
> car, nothing but problems. Ditto the Pontiac my ex-husband bought. Since
> then I've had nothing but Toyotas (nary a problem) and a new 2002 Hyundai.

Same here. I had troubles with AMC, Ford and GM vehicles. When it came time to
replace my Honda I made the mistake of buying a Ford. The next car was a Mazda,
and I was so happy with that one that I bought a second one. I had great
service with both those vehicles. They lasted twice as long as any NA built car
I ever had.

On Wed 26 Oct 2005 12:16:26p, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> 100,000 mile/10 year warranty including powertrain and 24/7 free
>> roadside assistance. That plus an excellent little car, can't beat it
>> with a stick
>
>
> Do you mean can't beat a manual transmission or the old saying?
>
> Andy
>

I'd watch out for the stick if i were you. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> > And even most "american" cars or parts are now made in Japan and
> >> >> > China.
> >> >> > Reality is difficult to escape from...
> >> >>
> >> >> China-blech. But Japan? If Japanese parts found their way into
> >> >> American
> >> >> cars, it would be a vast improvement.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Depends on the car.
> >> > I might be wrong, but I understand that a lot of Chevy parts are made
> >> > in
> >> > Japan by Isuzu?
> >>
> >> No idea. No reason to find out. I figured out by the time I was in my
> >> late
> >> 20s that something was seriously wrong with American cars. No reason to
> >> go
> >> back for another round of abuse.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > But, that has been fixed!
>
> Who told you that?
>
>
> > I got seriously burned on repair costs to foreign cars.
> > It costs about 1/2 price to repair american cars!
>
> Compared to WHICH foreign cars? The "fact" you're stating is not backed up
> by my experience with 3 Toyotas vs 2 American company cars, a Chevy and a
> Ford.

Nissans//Datsuns primarily, and one VW.

>
> > And they have fixed the problems now due to competition. You may want to
> > seriously consider giving them another chance. :-)
> >
>
> > After getting seriously screwed on repair costs to a german car,
>
> Per my (independent) mechanic, people who buy German cars should be prepared
> to support a "culture of endless repairs", as he puts it. He prefers
> Toyotas, because people tend to get mad at whatever mechanic they're
> standing in front of when there are major problems, and Toyotas don't put
> him in that position often.
>
> > I will ONLY buy American from now on! :-)
> > Foreign car dealers gouge for repair costs to their cars. I just can't
> > deal with that any more.
>
> Which foreign car dealers? Which brands?

Nissan.
And of course that very expensive mistake of a VW.

They charge TWICE as much to do repairs as I have paid for this Chevy.

And I've only had 2 minor repairs on it in 100,000 miles.

But, I do take good care of it and follow the maintenance
recommendations. I've had it for 6 years now and it's only been in the
shop twice, and has cost me less than $1,000 to keep going.

I never had a Nissan that performed anywhere near as well.

Granted, I've never owned a Toyota and I've heard nothing but good about
them, I'm just not going to knock a Chevy since I've had such a great
experience with it. :-)


>
>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

jmcquown wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> 100,000 mile/10 year warranty including powertrain and 24/7 free
>>> roadside assistance. That plus an excellent little car, can't beat
>>> it with a stick
>>
>>
>> Do you mean can't beat a manual transmission or the old saying?
>>
>> Andy
>
> Both. I always drive manual transmissions
>
> Jill

Why is it car dealers always want to sell me an automatic? I state
specifically I want a standard transmission and they are all agape and
agog - are you sure?! They still try to show me automatics. No, I don't
want one. Yes, I'm sure. Why does that surprise them so much?

When I bought my Hyundai I picked the car out the night before, just as they
were closing up so there were no salesmen to come bug the crap out of me.
Went over the next day... this is the one I want. He was smart. No trying
to dissuade me out of a 5-speed. Test drove it, checked out all the
features. Yep, this is it. Thank you!

Jill

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article
>> > >,
>> > Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article >,
>> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Ranee
>> >
>> > You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner
>> > party.
>> > That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because
>> > I
>> > let
>> > the dogs clean the pans. ;-)
>> >
>> > I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the
>> > dogs.
>> >
>> > Hepatitis comes to mind.......
>>
>> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
>> come across......
>>
>>
>
> So do humans. ;-)

Well, I don't know about the humans you know but the ones around here
don't run up to each other and lick the bits of every person they meet
LOL

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:15:38 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> wrote:

>> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
>> come across......
>>
>>
>
>So do humans. ;-)

LMAO

Very good point you have there. =)

Regards,
Tracy R. <== votes with the I do, on occasion, let the dogs eat from
the dishes crowd

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> That goes for me, too. I have owned a Ford, two Chevys, several VWs,
> a Honda, several Toyotas, and now I'm on my 2nd Mitsubishi. Guess
> which ones I had problems with? The Ford and Chevys. I have the same
> type of bumper to bumper warranty on my current Mitsubishi that Jill
> has on her Hyundai. The only problem I've ever had with a
> non-American car was a broken timing belt on the Honda at 145,000
> miles. It was not a surprise, since its replacement was recommended
> well before that.


I had a 1983 Plymouth Horizon (Mitsubishi). It was a great car. I had
bought a cell phone basically for road emergencies. One day the timing
belt broke and I was just able to pull to the curb. Just as I reach for
the cellphone I realize I'm parked across the street from "Mechanic's
Row." Two different shop employees ran over and pushed it onto a repair
lot I chose.

Either my car had a heart of gold or my cell phone hated being used.



Andy

In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Ophelia" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article
> >> > >,
> >> > Ranee Mueller > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Ranee
> >> >
> >> > You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner
> >> > party.
> >> > That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because
> >> > I
> >> > let
> >> > the dogs clean the pans. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the
> >> > dogs.
> >> >
> >> > Hepatitis comes to mind.......
> >>
> >> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
> >> come across......
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So do humans. ;-)
>
> Well, I don't know about the humans you know but the ones around here
> don't run up to each other and lick the bits of every person they meet
> LOL
>
>

True... ;-)
But I do read about a select few, and one never knows what goes on in
the bedrooms of close aquaintences? ;-D
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article >,
>> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Ranee
>> >
>> > You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner party.
>> > That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because I
>> > let
>> > the dogs clean the pans. ;-)
>> >
>> > I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the
>> > dogs.
>> >
>> > Hepatitis comes to mind.......
>>
>> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
>> come across......
>>
>>
>
> So do humans. ;-)
> --
> Om.
Thank you, someone had to say it.
J

In article >,
ravinwulf > wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:15:38 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> > wrote:
>
> >> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
> >> come across......
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So do humans. ;-)
>
> LMAO
>
> Very good point you have there. =)
>
> Regards,
> Tracy R. <== votes with the I do, on occasion, let the dogs eat from
> the dishes crowd
>

;-D

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Janet Bostwick" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Ophelia" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > Ranee Mueller > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dog spit is cleaner than human spit...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hope you sterilize your flatware. ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you open mouth kiss your dog? There are some limits.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Ranee
> >> >
> >> > You still need to sterilize flatware, especially after a dinner party.
> >> > That's the reason I always use bleach in my dishwater, not because I
> >> > let
> >> > the dogs clean the pans. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > I am FAR more likely to catch diseases from another human than the
> >> > dogs.
> >> >
> >> > Hepatitis comes to mind.......
> >>
> >> but, but, but dogs lick their bits and the bits of any other dog they
> >> come across......
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So do humans. ;-)
> > --
> > Om.
> Thank you, someone had to say it.
> J
>
>

ROFLMAO!!!
I'm not one to resist temptation....
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...

>
> Granted, I've never owned a Toyota and I've heard nothing but good about
> them, I'm just not going to knock a Chevy since I've had such a great
> experience with it. :-)

.....knock on wood...

Just wait....I hope you have better luck than some.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Andy wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> 100,000 mile/10 year warranty including powertrain and 24/7 free
>>>> roadside assistance. That plus an excellent little car, can't beat
>>>> it with a stick
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you mean can't beat a manual transmission or the old saying?
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Both. I always drive manual transmissions
>>
>> Jill
>
> Why is it car dealers always want to sell me an automatic? I state
> specifically I want a standard transmission and they are all agape and
> agog - are you sure?! They still try to show me automatics. No, I don't
> want one. Yes, I'm sure. Why does that surprise them so much?

Because they don't have as many standards on the lot most of the time, and
sometimes none at all. They figure you'll walk and head to another dealer.

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
.. .
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> That goes for me, too. I have owned a Ford, two Chevys, several VWs,
>> a Honda, several Toyotas, and now I'm on my 2nd Mitsubishi. Guess
>> which ones I had problems with? The Ford and Chevys. I have the same
>> type of bumper to bumper warranty on my current Mitsubishi that Jill
>> has on her Hyundai. The only problem I've ever had with a
>> non-American car was a broken timing belt on the Honda at 145,000
>> miles. It was not a surprise, since its replacement was recommended
>> well before that.
>
>
> I had a 1983 Plymouth Horizon (Mitsubishi). It was a great car.

Three years ago, before getting my Toyota pickup, I thought (just for grins)
I'd test a drive whatever was Chrysler's largest sedan at the time - I
forget the name. I got a mile down the road and two plastic panels fell off
the underside of the dashboard. That ended the test drive.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >
> > Granted, I've never owned a Toyota and I've heard nothing but good about
> > them, I'm just not going to knock a Chevy since I've had such a great
> > experience with it. :-)
>
> ....knock on wood...
>
> Just wait....I hope you have better luck than some.
>
>

The S-10 just passed 100,000 miles with only 2 trips to the shop. :-)
And $250.00 for a catalytic converter replacement IMHO is not bad...

I run synthetic oil and really am good about maintenance schedules.
Upkeep cost has been less than $400.00 per year not counting the 2
repairs.

So far.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> >
>> > Granted, I've never owned a Toyota and I've heard nothing but good
>> > about
>> > them, I'm just not going to knock a Chevy since I've had such a great
>> > experience with it. :-)
>>
>> ....knock on wood...
>>
>> Just wait....I hope you have better luck than some.
>>
>>
>
> The S-10 just passed 100,000 miles with only 2 trips to the shop. :-)
> And $250.00 for a catalytic converter replacement IMHO is not bad...
>
> I run synthetic oil and really am good about maintenance schedules.
> Upkeep cost has been less than $400.00 per year not counting the 2
> repairs.
>
> So far.

Get all over the transmission maintenance, especially if it's an automatic.
Change fluid & filter a little more often than recommended.

"Doug Kanter" > wrote

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote

>> But, that has been fixed!
>
> Who told you that?

Just take a look at the Consumer Reports and who ranks
at the top of reliability studies and who ranks at the bottom.

>> I got seriously burned on repair costs to foreign cars.
>> It costs about 1/2 price to repair american cars!

That hasn't been my experience.

> Compared to WHICH foreign cars? The "fact" you're stating is not backed up
> by my experience with 3 Toyotas vs 2 American company cars, a Chevy and a
> Ford.

>> After getting seriously screwed on repair costs to a german car,
>
> Per my (independent) mechanic, people who buy German cars should be
> prepared to support a "culture of endless repairs", as he puts it. He
> prefers Toyotas, because people tend to get mad at whatever mechanic
> they're standing in front of when there are major problems, and Toyotas
> don't put him in that position often.
>
>> I will ONLY buy American from now on! :-)
>> Foreign car dealers gouge for repair costs to their cars. I just can't
>> deal with that any more.
>
> Which foreign car dealers? Which brands?

Maybe I've been lucky, I've gotten terrific service from dealers.
Foreign dealers.

nancy