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"Kat" > wrote: > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low > fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so > until then I'm pretty much on my own. I'm looking for no cholesterol > and low fat main dishes. (something filling, not just apples and > carrot stix) Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died > this week and I really would rather that never happen again, well at > least not for the next 70 years or so ![]() > Thanks, > ~Kat Glad he's on the mend, Kat. Ping Cindy Fuller, r.f.c.'s Staff Dietitian for some words of advise. "-) Also, check the NIH Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute - maybe their website has something of value. For low fat, check the NIH TLC Food Plan (Therapeutic Lifestyle Changes) - based on the USDA food pyramid, it's heavy on grain, fiber, fruits & veggies and light on protein (seems like most of the cholesterol-laden foods are protein/animal products). Its menu planning feature is very helpful IMO. Work your way through the site and exercises about portion control, etc. How does the hubster feel about regular exercise (once he's healthy again)? Seems like it takes diet and exercise both to lower the numbers. Good luck to you both! -- http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is released
he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so until then I'm pretty much on my own. I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something filling, not just apples and carrot stix) Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I really would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the next 70 years or so ![]() Thanks, ~Kat |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > Kat wrote: > > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low > > fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so > > until then I'm pretty much on my own. > > I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something > > filling, not just apples and carrot stix) > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I > > really would rather that never happen again, well at least not for > > the next 70 years or so ![]() > > Thanks, > > ~Kat > > I'd be meeting with the dietitian before he gets out of hospital. IMHO it's > not possible to have absolutely NO cholesterol just as it is not possible to > have NO fat and NO carbs. Everything you can possibly eat has a little bit > of this stuff. Cholesterol is an animal product, Jill -- vegetable and fruit products may have saturated fat but they don't have cholesterol. -- http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > Kat wrote: > > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low (snip) > > I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't supposed to > eat which may interact with the medication. One would think broccoli and > spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my mom was on Kumadin and > couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now off Kumadin and can eat those > beloved foods again. Talk with the doctor. He should know as well as the > dietitian. > That Coumadin and Vitamin K/green leafy vegetables thing is interesting. A good friend had a stroke before her time and is on a blood thinner and has information that one can have those salads and spinach but one must have it regularly - the blood thinner dosage can be adjusted to take it into account. I'd want more info from my own dietitian before messing with instructions, though. It requires careful monitoring. -- http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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"Kat" > wrote: > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is released > he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low fat. I'll meet > w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so until then I'm pretty much > on my own. > I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something filling, > not just apples and carrot stix) > Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I really > would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the next 70 > years or so ![]() > Thanks, > ~Kat > > Low fat fishes such as tuna are good, whitefish, cod... You could probably google more. I've learned recently that there are a LOT of ways to cook chicken breast (boneless/skinless) and make it tasty. There is an entire world of fresh veggies that can be steamed and flavored with herbs and spices, as well as soy sauce and fat free salad dressings. Don't worry, there will be a lot more that he CAN eat than he can't! You just have to get creative and it's a whole new way of looking at cooking... I've been following a low carb, low fat diet for awhile to get off of the weight loss stall I've been on. It's not as hard as I thought. Look at books by Lyle McDonald. He has some good ideas in his crash dieting book. Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > In article >, (snippage) > > Mom was told absolutely NO spinach, no broccoli, nothing rich in Niacin when (snip) > OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam Stafford of Charleston, SC. > > She-Crab Soup > > 2 Tbs. butter > 2 Tbs. flour > 1 quart whole milk > 2 c. blue crab meat plus roe (you may use canned crab) > dash Worcestershire sauce > salt to taste > 1/2 tsp. pepper > 1/2 tsp. mace > 1/2 tsp. onion powder > 1/3 c. dry sherry > 1 c. whole cream, whipped > > Melt butter and blend with flour until smooth. Add milk and whisk until > smooth. Add crab, roe, Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, onion and garlic > powder. Cook over very low heat about 30 minutes. Add the sherry. Remove > from heat and blend in the fresh whipped cream just before serving. Garnish > with freshly chopped parsley. Serves 4-6 > > Jill Swell recipe for a NO-CHOLESTEROL diet (and thread), Jillsie. Dufus. -- http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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Kat wrote:
> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low > fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so > until then I'm pretty much on my own. > I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something > filling, not just apples and carrot stix) > Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I > really would rather that never happen again, well at least not for > the next 70 years or so ![]() > Thanks, > ~Kat I'd be meeting with the dietitian before he gets out of hospital. IMHO it's not possible to have absolutely NO cholesterol just as it is not possible to have NO fat and NO carbs. Everything you can possibly eat has a little bit of this stuff. I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't supposed to eat which may interact with the medication. One would think broccoli and spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my mom was on Kumadin and couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now off Kumadin and can eat those beloved foods again. Talk with the doctor. He should know as well as the dietitian. Mom ate lots of braised chicken breasts when she was put on a low-cholesterol diet. I learned to cook with wine to add some flavour to boneless, skinless breasts. Lean cuts of beef braised in wine... learn to use herbs, garlic, etc. http://www.dietitian.com/ Jill |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message .. . > I'd be meeting with the dietitian before he gets out of hospital. Finding a dietitian in a hospital on a Sunday is like finding a priest in a brothel, they are there but hiding. ![]() |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > >> Kat wrote: >>> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is >>> released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low >>> (snip) >> >> I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't >> supposed to eat which may interact with the medication. One would >> think broccoli and spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my >> mom was on Kumadin and couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now >> off Kumadin and can eat those beloved foods again. Talk with the >> doctor. He should know as well as the dietitian. >> > That Coumadin and Vitamin K/green leafy vegetables thing is > interesting. > A good friend had a stroke before her time and is on a blood thinner > and > has information that one can have those salads and spinach but one > must > have it regularly - the blood thinner dosage can be adjusted to take > it > into account. I'd want more info from my own dietitian before messing > with instructions, though. It requires careful monitoring. Mom was told absolutely NO spinach, no broccoli, nothing rich in Niacin when she was taking blood thinners (Kumadin). They were about to take her foot off due to cholesterol blockages in her leg. She had laser surgery in 1988 which cleared the cholesterol blockage. Last year she had a clot removed from her carotid artery; they were very worried about the laser surgery breaking up the clot and sending pieces of it up into her brain (thus causing a stroke). Fortunuately the surgery went well and she is now more healthy than I am. Mom is going to be 80 in January. OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam Stafford of Charleston, SC. She-Crab Soup 2 Tbs. butter 2 Tbs. flour 1 quart whole milk 2 c. blue crab meat plus roe (you may use canned crab) dash Worcestershire sauce salt to taste 1/2 tsp. pepper 1/2 tsp. mace 1/2 tsp. onion powder 1/3 c. dry sherry 1 c. whole cream, whipped Melt butter and blend with flour until smooth. Add milk and whisk until smooth. Add crab, roe, Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, onion and garlic powder. Cook over very low heat about 30 minutes. Add the sherry. Remove from heat and blend in the fresh whipped cream just before serving. Garnish with freshly chopped parsley. Serves 4-6 Jill |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message . .. They were about to take her foot > off due to cholesterol blockages in her leg. She had laser surgery in > 1988 > which cleared the cholesterol blockage. > > Last year she had a clot removed from her carotid artery; they were very > worried about the laser surgery breaking up the clot and sending pieces of > it up into her brain (thus causing a stroke). Fortunuately the surgery > went > well and she is now more healthy than I am. Mom is going to be 80 in > January. > > OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam Stafford of Charleston, > SC. > > She-Crab Soup > > 2 Tbs. butter > 2 Tbs. flour > 1 quart whole milk > 2 c. blue crab meat plus roe (you may use canned crab) > dash Worcestershire sauce > salt to taste > 1/2 tsp. pepper > 1/2 tsp. mace > 1/2 tsp. onion powder > 1/3 c. dry sherry > 1 c. whole cream, whipped > > Melt butter and blend with flour until smooth. Add milk and whisk until > smooth. Add crab, roe, Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, onion and > garlic > powder. Cook over very low heat about 30 minutes. Add the sherry. > Remove > from heat and blend in the fresh whipped cream just before serving. > Garnish > with freshly chopped parsley. Serves 4-6 > > Jill hello .. no woder she had Cholesterol problems. |
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Kat wrote:
>> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is >> released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low >> fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so >> until then I'm pretty much on my own. Use cholesterol free oils for cooking. Becel margarine is good or try some other brand.. just make sure to read the label. that is another thing that is going to help. Learn how to read the labels. There are good and bad fats and you totally want to avoid the transfats. Remove the skin from chicken. Web searches on cholesterol will give you lots of information. My cholesterol was up and I got lots of good advice on the Canadian heart and stroke websites. There are links to recipes and other helpful sites. Good luck. Debbie "The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." Harlan Ellison |
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"Kat" > wrote: > "jmcquown" > wrote in message > . .. > They were about to take her foot > > off due to cholesterol blockages in her leg. She had laser surgery in > > 1988 > > which cleared the cholesterol blockage. > > > > Last year she had a clot removed from her carotid artery; they were very > > worried about the laser surgery breaking up the clot and sending pieces of > > it up into her brain (thus causing a stroke). Fortunuately the surgery > > went > > well and she is now more healthy than I am. Mom is going to be 80 in > > January. > > > > OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam Stafford of Charleston, > > SC. > > > > She-Crab Soup > > > > 2 Tbs. butter > > 2 Tbs. flour > > 1 quart whole milk > > 2 c. blue crab meat plus roe (you may use canned crab) > > dash Worcestershire sauce > > salt to taste > > 1/2 tsp. pepper > > 1/2 tsp. mace > > 1/2 tsp. onion powder > > 1/3 c. dry sherry > > 1 c. whole cream, whipped > > > > Melt butter and blend with flour until smooth. Add milk and whisk until > > smooth. Add crab, roe, Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, onion and > > garlic > > powder. Cook over very low heat about 30 minutes. Add the sherry. > > Remove > > from heat and blend in the fresh whipped cream just before serving. > > Garnish > > with freshly chopped parsley. Serves 4-6 > > > > Jill > > hello .. no woder she had Cholesterol problems. > > Yeah. She should have left the flour out... Eating cholesterol does _not_ raise you serum cholesterol, but eating simple carbs such as starch and sugar does: http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/Ravnskov/ Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later (if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be normal. If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
>> "Debbie" > looking for trouble wrote in >> : >> >>> Kat wrote: >>>>> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is >>>>> released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and >>>>> low fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets >>>>> home so until then I'm pretty much on my own. >>> >>> Use cholesterol free oils for cooking. Becel margarine is good or >>> try some other brand.. just make sure to read the label. >> >> I've never heard of Becel and not seen it around here. I use Benecol >> which is also suggested by my cardiologist. Maybe you meant Benecol. I'm in Canada and we have Becel which is the big one suggested by lo cholesterol diets. I could never get into the Becel thing.. so I use butter, I have just cut down on the amount by about 90%. I'm not sure if we have Benecol here or not. >> >>> that is another >>> thing that is going to help. Learn how to read the labels. >> >> The dietitian can really help with the label reading. Something >> that is advertised as no cholesterol, low/no fat etc. may actually >> contain cholesterol and fat. >> Reading labels is getting to be almost a new science. I find any time that there is big letttering denying a certain ingredient there is more than enough of a different ingredient that should be avoided or reduced to make up for the lack of the first. sigh I usually go straight to the Nutrition facts and forget the other claims. Debbie "The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." Harlan Ellison |
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![]() "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "Kat" > wrote: > > Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later > (if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be > normal. > > If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for > about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. > > Cheers! > -- Isn't that true? My husband had elevated liver enzymes (?) and the doctor was really worried that he'd need a liver transplant. He went on Atkins and started taking Milk Thistle. Boom! He's at normal levels. If he eats bread, pasta, rice or potatoes, his levels go up instantly (as well as his weight). <g> The difficult part about this diet is sticking to it. kili |
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![]() "kilikini" > wrote in message ... > > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... >> In article >, >> "Kat" > wrote: >> >> Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later >> (if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be >> normal. >> >> If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for >> about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. >> >> Cheers! >> -- > > Isn't that true? My husband had elevated liver enzymes (?) and the doctor > was really worried that he'd need a liver transplant. He went on Atkins > and > started taking Milk Thistle. Boom! He's at normal levels. If he eats > bread, pasta, rice or potatoes, his levels go up instantly (as well as his > weight). <g> The difficult part about this diet is sticking to it. > > kili > Preaching to the choir here ... I 'only' lost 175 lbs on low carb and husband lost 80, we met in a low carb chat room and started dating ... 2 kids, 2 dogs and a house later ![]() What he needs isn't the question right now, we know that. It's how to get what he needs that is the problem. ie, i don't need info on diet, but on no cols. meals. But thanks anyway. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > In article >, > > "jmcquown" > wrote: > > > >> Melba's Jammin' wrote: > >>> In article >, > > (snippage) > >> > >> Mom was told absolutely NO spinach, no broccoli, nothing rich in > >> Niacin when (snip) OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam > >> Stafford of Charleston, SC. > >> > >> She-Crab Soup > >> > >> Jill > > > > Swell recipe for a NO-CHOLESTEROL diet (and thread), Jillsie. Dufus. > > At age 76 mom said, "I'm sick of baked and boiled skinless boneless chicken > breasts; I'll eat whatever the hell I want to." She'll be 80 in January. > > You seem to go to more funerals than anyone I know, going so far as to buy > books about funeral food. I do love a good old cemetery but refuse to eat > as though I'm not going to wind up in one, eventually. > > Jill <--yeppers, I'm a dufus (and my name is not Jillsie) Understood, Jillsie. My eating habits leave a lot to be desired, that's for sure. All those funerals are part of the hazard of being born to old parents and the youngest in a large family, not to mention the untimely deaths of seven or nine other family members and the recent funerals of the parents of friends. For all that, I'm thinking of making it a new hobby. Possibly checking out the obits and attending services just to check out the funeral lunches. Someone here suggested a place where lots of black folks go to church. We've got some of those in town. :-) A diabetic friend of ours died of related illness. She enjoyed booze and cigarettes. When I learned of her diabetes, I blurted out something about the alcohol and she said you only live once and she was going to do what she was going to do. At her funeral, one of her kids read the letter she'd written expressing her regret at not taking care of herself better than she had - she acknowledged that she was sad to be going - there were more grandchildren (likely) to be born that she would never have the joy of knowing, and who would never know her. Why is it those kinds of words are so often seen to be meants for "someone else?" When Mom died, Sister Julie was fraught with guilt -- she figured she would somehow have been able to keep our mom alive if only. . . Well, Mom was nearly 83 and wasn't about to change her eating habits. The dance the two of them did was hard on both of them. A dietitian I'm acquainted with said that once a person's 80 they should eat anything they damn well please. Seems reasonable to me. -- http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > >> Melba's Jammin' wrote: >>> In article >, > (snippage) >> >> Mom was told absolutely NO spinach, no broccoli, nothing rich in >> Niacin when (snip) OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam >> Stafford of Charleston, SC. >> >> She-Crab Soup >> >> Jill > > Swell recipe for a NO-CHOLESTEROL diet (and thread), Jillsie. Dufus. At age 76 mom said, "I'm sick of baked and boiled skinless boneless chicken breasts; I'll eat whatever the hell I want to." She'll be 80 in January. You seem to go to more funerals than anyone I know, going so far as to buy books about funeral food. I do love a good old cemetery but refuse to eat as though I'm not going to wind up in one, eventually. Jill <--yeppers, I'm a dufus (and my name is not Jillsie) |
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Cat--I like to bake boneless, skinless chicken breasts, with a sauce
made up of 1/2 honey and 1/2 spicy brown mustard (it is also good on boneless, butterflied pork chops--not sure if your husband can eat these, though). Also, steamed green beans, sprinkled with lemon juice and Italian Seasoning (or Mexican Seasoning) are really good.--r3 |
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Kat wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > . .. > They were about to take her foot >> off due to cholesterol blockages in her leg. She had laser surgery >> in 1988 >> which cleared the cholesterol blockage. >> >> Last year she had a clot removed from her carotid artery; they were >> very worried about the laser surgery breaking up the clot and >> sending pieces of it up into her brain (thus causing a stroke). >> Fortunuately the surgery went >> well and she is now more healthy than I am. Mom is going to be 80 in >> January. >> >> OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam Stafford of >> Charleston, SC. >> >> She-Crab Soup >> > hello .. no woder she had Cholesterol problems. Mom didn't eat this way until she finally figured out, guess what? We're all going toes up at some point; might as well enjoy your food. For 25 years mom was on a low-cholesterol diet. Boneless, skinless chicken breasts, baked, boiled or broiled. Very lean beef; skim milk. Steamed vegetables. Salads. She (still) uses Benecol in place of butter on veggies and toast (in fact, butter was never in our house except on holidays as a 'treat' when we were growing up). The fact is, she ate what her parents fed her. Who knew about cholesterol in the 1930's and 1940's? No one. Nada, zip, zilch. Consult the nutritionist/dietician BEFORE your husband comes home. Jill |
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jmcquown wrote:
<snip> > I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't supposed to > eat which may interact with the medication. One would think broccoli and > spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my mom was on Kumadin and > couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now off Kumadin and can eat those > beloved foods again. Talk with the doctor. He should know as well as the Jill thanks for posting about the blood thinning. I'm not on Kumadin but am currently on high dosage MSM (methylsulfonymethane) for at least a couple of months. MSM has blood thinning qualities. I love broccoli & spinach so eat both several times a week. I best check into whether this will interact with the MSM. |
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"kilikini" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "Kat" > wrote: > > > > Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later > > (if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be > > normal. > > > > If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for > > about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. > > > > Cheers! > > -- > > Isn't that true? My husband had elevated liver enzymes (?) and the doctor > was really worried that he'd need a liver transplant. He went on Atkins and > started taking Milk Thistle. Boom! He's at normal levels. If he eats > bread, pasta, rice or potatoes, his levels go up instantly (as well as his > weight). <g> The difficult part about this diet is sticking to it. > > kili > > Yeah, it can be a challenge! I was on vacation this week so indulged in a few of the things that I don't normally eat, like I had sourdough english muffins with my snow crab, and I ordered one Gatti's take out pizza with sausage, mushrooms and black olives. ;-) But that's as bad as I got. I'm back on track today but I'd hate to see my lipid levels right now! <lol> This whole low cholesterol diet myth just irks me since more modern research has PROVEN it to be bunk! And it does more harm than good as your liver makes Cholesterol, and makes more of it if you eat simple carbs (starch and sugar). People really need to be warned about this! I do have an advantage tho' as I can play with my diet and run the lab work any time I want. I did it monthly for a long time and proved all this to myself... -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"Kat" > wrote: > "kilikini" > wrote in message > ... > > > > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > > ... > >> In article >, > >> "Kat" > wrote: > >> > >> Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later > >> (if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be > >> normal. > >> > >> If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for > >> about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> -- > > > > Isn't that true? My husband had elevated liver enzymes (?) and the doctor > > was really worried that he'd need a liver transplant. He went on Atkins > > and > > started taking Milk Thistle. Boom! He's at normal levels. If he eats > > bread, pasta, rice or potatoes, his levels go up instantly (as well as his > > weight). <g> The difficult part about this diet is sticking to it. > > > > kili > > > > > Preaching to the choir here ... I 'only' lost 175 lbs on low carb and > husband lost 80, we met in a low carb chat room and started dating ... 2 > kids, 2 dogs and a house later ![]() > What he needs isn't the question right now, we know that. It's how to get > what he needs that is the problem. ie, i don't need info on diet, but on no > cols. meals. But thanks anyway. > > Go ahead and avoid high cholesterol food if you want. :-) Can't hurt but for his sake, PLEASE give up starchy and sugary foods too. No bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, limited carrots and limit fruit too. There are plenty, PLENTY of other foods to eat so eliminating that stuff is not all that hard. Cheers and good luck! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"tsr3" > wrote: > Cat--I like to bake boneless, skinless chicken breasts, with a sauce > made up of 1/2 honey and 1/2 spicy brown mustard (it is also good on > boneless, butterflied pork chops--not sure if your husband can eat > these, though). > > Also, steamed green beans, sprinkled with lemon juice and Italian > Seasoning (or Mexican Seasoning) are really good.--r3 > I've been grilling them in the Hamilton grill. ;-) For the first time in my life, I've been able to enjoy BS chicken breasts! It cooks fast (it's like a Foreman grill) and keeps them moist. I dreged some in some plain yellow mustard the other day and sprinkled them with sesame seeds. They were fantastic. I often grill up a 5 lb. bag at a time (I get the frozen ones since they are usually cheaper) and keep them in a bowl in the 'frige. Chilled and sliced thin, they are wonderful on salads or the thin strips can also be added to steamed fresh or fresh frozen veggies. Dredging them in just about any salad dressing (Italian works well!) adds a lot of flavor too. Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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Melba's Jammin' > wrote: > In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > > > Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > > In article >, > > > "jmcquown" > wrote: > > > > > >> Melba's Jammin' wrote: > > >>> In article >, > > > (snippage) > > >> > > >> Mom was told absolutely NO spinach, no broccoli, nothing rich in > > >> Niacin when (snip) OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam > > >> Stafford of Charleston, SC. > > >> > > >> She-Crab Soup > > >> > > >> Jill > > > > > > Swell recipe for a NO-CHOLESTEROL diet (and thread), Jillsie. Dufus. > > > > At age 76 mom said, "I'm sick of baked and boiled skinless boneless chicken > > breasts; I'll eat whatever the hell I want to." She'll be 80 in January. > > > > You seem to go to more funerals than anyone I know, going so far as to buy > > books about funeral food. I do love a good old cemetery but refuse to eat > > as though I'm not going to wind up in one, eventually. > > > > Jill <--yeppers, I'm a dufus (and my name is not Jillsie) > > Understood, Jillsie. > > My eating habits leave a lot to be desired, that's for sure. All those > funerals are part of the hazard of being born to old parents and the > youngest in a large family, not to mention the untimely deaths of seven > or nine other family members and the recent funerals of the parents of > friends. For all that, I'm thinking of making it a new hobby. Possibly > checking out the obits and attending services just to check out the > funeral lunches. Someone here suggested a place where lots of black > folks go to church. We've got some of those in town. :-) > > A diabetic friend of ours died of related illness. She enjoyed booze > and cigarettes. When I learned of her diabetes, I blurted out something > about the alcohol and she said you only live once and she was going to > do what she was going to do. At her funeral, one of her kids read the > letter she'd written expressing her regret at not taking care of herself > better than she had - she acknowledged that she was sad to be going - > there were more grandchildren (likely) to be born that she would never > have the joy of knowing, and who would never know her. Why is it those > kinds of words are so often seen to be meants for "someone else?" > > When Mom died, Sister Julie was fraught with guilt -- she figured she > would somehow have been able to keep our mom alive if only. . . Well, > Mom was nearly 83 and wasn't about to change her eating habits. The > dance the two of them did was hard on both of them. A dietitian I'm > acquainted with said that once a person's 80 they should eat anything > they damn well please. Seems reasonable to me. If and when I make it to 80, I'll wear purple... and eat anything I want, but still go to the gym. ;-) I want to stay mobile. -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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~patches~ wrote:
> jmcquown wrote: > > <snip> >> I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't >> supposed to eat which may interact with the medication. One would >> think broccoli and spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my >> mom was on Kumadin and couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now >> off Kumadin and can eat those beloved foods again. Talk with the >> doctor. He should know as well as the > > Jill thanks for posting about the blood thinning. I'm not on Kumadin > but am currently on high dosage MSM (methylsulfonymethane) for at > least > a couple of months. MSM has blood thinning qualities. I love > broccoli & spinach so eat both several times a week. I best check > into whether > this will interact with the MSM. According to what they told my mom, anything rich in Niacin can negatively interact with blood thinners. Also watch taking aspirin and the herbal, Ginko Biloba (which while is sold to help memory loss is also a blood thinner). Jill |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, > "jmcquown" > wrote: > > >>Kat wrote: >> >>>My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is >>>released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low > > (snip) > >>I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't supposed to >>eat which may interact with the medication. One would think broccoli and >>spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my mom was on Kumadin and >>couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now off Kumadin and can eat those >>beloved foods again. Talk with the doctor. He should know as well as the >>dietitian. >> > > That Coumadin and Vitamin K/green leafy vegetables thing is interesting. > A good friend had a stroke before her time and is on a blood thinner and > has information that one can have those salads and spinach but one must > have it regularly - the blood thinner dosage can be adjusted to take it > into account. I'd want more info from my own dietitian before messing > with instructions, though. It requires careful monitoring. This is of real interest to me because of my current regime of high dosage MSM that can have blood thinning effects. Foods high in niacin help to decrease cholesterol *however* niacin can also interact with blood thinners like Cumadin that might increase the risk of bleeding. To my understanding the amount of niacin ingested for this effect is over 2000 mg daily. My daily niacin intake through supplementation is 100 mg so eating spinach & broccoli should be ok despite the high dosage MSM. To be on the safe side though, I'm going to ask my doctor. There's no point solving one problem while creating another! reference on niacin - http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH...l?d=dmtContent |
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For general techniques to reduce fat and cholesterol and for recipes,
check out Dr. Dean Ornish's books. I suspect you can also find a lot by searching for his name on the WWW. On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:34:30 GMT, "Kat" > wrote: >My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is released >he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low fat. I'll meet >w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so until then I'm pretty much >on my own. >I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something filling, >not just apples and carrot stix) >Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I really >would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the next 70 >years or so ![]() >Thanks, >~Kat > > Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... > >>In article >, >> "Kat" > wrote: >> >>Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later >>(if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be >>normal. >> >>If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for >>about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. >> >>Cheers! >>-- > > > Isn't that true? My husband had elevated liver enzymes (?) and the doctor > was really worried that he'd need a liver transplant. He went on Atkins and > started taking Milk Thistle. Boom! He's at normal levels. If he eats > bread, pasta, rice or potatoes, his levels go up instantly (as well as his > weight). <g> The difficult part about this diet is sticking to it. > > kili > > kili, how long did it take for his liver enzymes to return to normal & what dosage of milk thisle was he taking daily? |
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Kat wrote:
> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is released > he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low fat. I'll meet > w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so until then I'm pretty much > on my own. > I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something filling, > not just apples and carrot stix) > Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I really > would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the next 70 > years or so ![]() My first reaction to this is to say "I want a second opinion from another dietitian." Not to evade sensible restrictions, but because of the advice itself. Dietary cholesterol doesn't affect serum cholesterol - eating cholesterol doesn't elevate serum cholesterol. And a "no-anything" diet is all but impossible. While it's a minuscule amount, even plants have smidges of cholesterol in cell walls. And how much fat is "low-fat?" Is it for every meal or for a 24-hour view? There are other macro- and micronutrients that can have effects on serum cholesterol, and I see no mention of them. This sort of dietary prescription is old news. It's not a current-thinking sort of regimen, and I'd want a lot more explanation before undertaking it. It will, of course, depend on what sort of medical condition he has, for a plan to be formulated, but this sounds a bit too vague and, simultaneously, too exact. Others have posted sources of recipes and I'd add the USDA web site where you can check out the nutrient composition of foods. <http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/> With this info, you can tailor old recipes to take advantage of the possibilities. Pastorio |
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jmcquown wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' wrote: > >>In article >, >> "jmcquown" > wrote: >> >> >>>Melba's Jammin' wrote: >>> >>>>In article >, >> >>(snippage) >> >>>Mom was told absolutely NO spinach, no broccoli, nothing rich in >>>Niacin when (snip) OB Food: her favourite soup courtesy of Mrs. Sam >>>Stafford of Charleston, SC. >>> >>>She-Crab Soup >>> >>>Jill >> >>Swell recipe for a NO-CHOLESTEROL diet (and thread), Jillsie. Dufus. > > > At age 76 mom said, "I'm sick of baked and boiled skinless boneless chicken > breasts; I'll eat whatever the hell I want to." She'll be 80 in January. > > You seem to go to more funerals than anyone I know, going so far as to buy > books about funeral food. I do love a good old cemetery but refuse to eat > as though I'm not going to wind up in one, eventually. > We eat as though we aren't going to end up in one either - actually DH won't as he wants his ashes scattered along Las Vegas Blvd. - but we believe in making good food choices to maximize our quality of life. I do use butter but very little and likely less than once a week. We aren't into the sandwiches or toast thing so don't use butter as a spread. We naturally drift towards - low sugar foods, low sodium foods, low fat meats, low cholesterol, homecooking & lots of raw fruits & veggies on a daily basis. We naturally avoid - white sugar & flour, high fat foods, commercial convenience foods, & sweets. Will these choices help of live longer, maybe. More importantly we feel they give us a better quality of live with less illness & more energy than if we were laden down with the toxicity of all the frankenfoods available. > Jill <--yeppers, I'm a dufus (and my name is not Jillsie) I don't think you're a dufus ![]() > > |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:34:30 GMT, "Kat" > wrote:
>Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I really >would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the next 70 >years or so ![]() Here's a good site to keep track of your (his) diet as you go along (use the "Assess Your Food Intake" link) http://www.mypyramidtracker.gov/Default.htm Here's another excellent site that is helpful in finding the nutrition content of foods, even fast food and snack foods by brand: http://www.nutritiondata.com Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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jmcquown wrote:
> ~patches~ wrote: > >>jmcquown wrote: >> >><snip> >> >>>I assume he'll be on medication? There will be things he isn't >>>supposed to eat which may interact with the medication. One would >>>think broccoli and spinach would be a good, healthy choice but my >>>mom was on Kumadin and couldn't eat broccoli or spinach. She's now >>>off Kumadin and can eat those beloved foods again. Talk with the >>>doctor. He should know as well as the >> >>Jill thanks for posting about the blood thinning. I'm not on Kumadin >>but am currently on high dosage MSM (methylsulfonymethane) for at >>least >>a couple of months. MSM has blood thinning qualities. I love >>broccoli & spinach so eat both several times a week. I best check >>into whether >>this will interact with the MSM. > > > According to what they told my mom, anything rich in Niacin can negatively > interact with blood thinners. Also watch taking aspirin and the herbal, > Ginko Biloba (which while is sold to help memory loss is also a blood > thinner). > > Jill > > Thanks Jill, that is good to know. I'm going to check on it further. I called my pharmacist who is looking up the info for me but I still want to ask my doctor. Best to be safe than sorry. I can't take aspirin due to allergy and prefer not to take Tylenol the pain killer recommended. I also don't take ginko on a regular basis but occasionally have a cup of ginko tea. |
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![]() "Melba's Jammin'" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... > In article > , > "Kat" > wrote: > >> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is >> released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low >> fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so >> until then I'm pretty much on my own. I'm looking for no cholesterol >> and low fat main dishes. (something filling, not just apples and >> carrot stix) Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died >> this week and I really would rather that never happen again, well at >> least not for the next 70 years or so ![]() > >> Thanks, >> ~Kat > > Glad he's on the mend, Kat. Ping Cindy Fuller, r.f.c.'s Staff Dietitian > for some words of advise. "-) Also, check the NIH Heart, Lung, and > Blood Institute - maybe their website has something of value. For low > fat, check the NIH TLC Food Plan (Therapeutic Lifestyle Changes) - based > on the USDA food pyramid, it's heavy on grain, fiber, fruits & veggies > and light on protein (seems like most of the cholesterol-laden foods are > protein/animal products). Its menu planning feature is very helpful > IMO. Work your way through the site and exercises about portion > control, etc. > How does the hubster feel about regular exercise (once he's healthy > again)? Seems like it takes diet and exercise both to lower the numbers. > Good luck to you both! Tell him to eat soia beans, tofu, etc.! Cheers Pandora > -- > http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote: > In article > , > "Kat" > wrote: > > > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low > > fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so > > until then I'm pretty much on my own. I'm looking for no cholesterol > > and low fat main dishes. (something filling, not just apples and > > carrot stix) Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died > > this week and I really would rather that never happen again, well at > > least not for the next 70 years or so ![]() > > > Thanks, > > ~Kat > > Glad he's on the mend, Kat. Ping Cindy Fuller, r.f.c.'s Staff Dietitian > for some words of advise. "-) Also, check the NIH Heart, Lung, and > Blood Institute - maybe their website has something of value. For low > fat, check the NIH TLC Food Plan (Therapeutic Lifestyle Changes) - based > on the USDA food pyramid, it's heavy on grain, fiber, fruits & veggies > and light on protein (seems like most of the cholesterol-laden foods are > protein/animal products). Its menu planning feature is very helpful > IMO. Work your way through the site and exercises about portion > control, etc. > How does the hubster feel about regular exercise (once he's healthy > again)? Seems like it takes diet and exercise both to lower the numbers. > Good luck to you both! I take this as a ping. I haven't been posting much lately because my new job (full time! no more part-time faculty limbo!) has kept me extremely busy. Most of the other posters have mentioned things that I'll say, but to recap: Dietary saturated and trans fat will increase blood cholesterol more than dietary cholesterol. Researchers have shown that people can eat shrimp or one egg per day and their blood cholesterol won't budge. The key is to have shrimp and eggs prepared with minimal fat (i.e., no popcorn shrimp or egg salad). Use a small amount of olive or canola oil for stir-frying or browning. Pam is fine, but I don't use it. Get rid of any and all trans fat in the house--stick margarine, shortening, or products containing "partially hydrogenated vegetable oils". This task will be easier next year, as trans fat will have to be listed on the nutrition label. Food companies are falling all over themselves trying to purge trans fat from their products before January 1. Focus more on the CANs than the CAN'Ts. You CAN eat lean meats, chicken, fish and shellfish, beans, tofu, whole grains, fruit and veggies, & low fat dairy products. Use meat more as a garnish than the main item on the plate. Size matters, as they say in certain spam messages. A 3-ounce portion of meat is the size of a deck of cards, or a flimsy fast food hamburger. That's enough for a serving. Eating vegetarian meals a few times a week can help. However, it has to be reasonably low fat. Stay away from the old school (1970's-era) veggie cookbooks. Ornish or Pritikin can be helpful here. A couple of diet books I like: The Omega Diet, by Dr. Artemis Simopoulos. She focuses on the traditional Mediterranean diet. Volumetrics, by Dr. Barbara Rolls. She's a researcher at Penn State who's shown that filling up on foods with low calorie density helps people lose weight. I don't know if weight is an issue here, but her recommendations can also work for cholesterol control. As Barb says, exercise is vital. Do what you like to do and is most practical. Fit in more activity into the daily routine. Good luck to you both! Cindy -- C.J. Fuller Delete the obvious to email me |
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>, Cindy Fuller > wrote: > In article >, > Melba's Jammin' > wrote: > > > In article > , > > "Kat" > wrote: > > > > > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > > > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low > > > fat. I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so > > > until then I'm pretty much on my own. I'm looking for no cholesterol > > > and low fat main dishes. (something filling, not just apples and > > > carrot stix) Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died > > > this week and I really would rather that never happen again, well at > > > least not for the next 70 years or so ![]() > > > > > Thanks, > > > ~Kat > > > > Glad he's on the mend, Kat. Ping Cindy Fuller, r.f.c.'s Staff Dietitian > > for some words of advise. "-) Also, check the NIH Heart, Lung, and > > Blood Institute - maybe their website has something of value. For low > > fat, check the NIH TLC Food Plan (Therapeutic Lifestyle Changes) - based > > on the USDA food pyramid, it's heavy on grain, fiber, fruits & veggies > > and light on protein (seems like most of the cholesterol-laden foods are > > protein/animal products). Its menu planning feature is very helpful > > IMO. Work your way through the site and exercises about portion > > control, etc. > > How does the hubster feel about regular exercise (once he's healthy > > again)? Seems like it takes diet and exercise both to lower the numbers. > > Good luck to you both! > > I take this as a ping. I haven't been posting much lately because my > new job (full time! no more part-time faculty limbo!) has kept me > extremely busy. Most of the other posters have mentioned things that > I'll say, but to recap: > > Dietary saturated and trans fat will increase blood cholesterol more > than dietary cholesterol. Researchers have shown that people can eat > shrimp or one egg per day and their blood cholesterol won't budge. The > key is to have shrimp and eggs prepared with minimal fat (i.e., no > popcorn shrimp or egg salad). > > Use a small amount of olive or canola oil for stir-frying or browning. > Pam is fine, but I don't use it. > > Get rid of any and all trans fat in the house--stick margarine, > shortening, or products containing "partially hydrogenated vegetable > oils". This task will be easier next year, as trans fat will have to be > listed on the nutrition label. Food companies are falling all over > themselves trying to purge trans fat from their products before January > 1. > > Focus more on the CANs than the CAN'Ts. You CAN eat lean meats, > chicken, fish and shellfish, beans, tofu, whole grains, fruit and > veggies, & low fat dairy products. > > Use meat more as a garnish than the main item on the plate. Size > matters, as they say in certain spam messages. A 3-ounce portion of > meat is the size of a deck of cards, or a flimsy fast food hamburger. > That's enough for a serving. > > Eating vegetarian meals a few times a week can help. However, it has to > be reasonably low fat. Stay away from the old school (1970's-era) > veggie cookbooks. Ornish or Pritikin can be helpful here. > > A couple of diet books I like: > > The Omega Diet, by Dr. Artemis Simopoulos. She focuses on the > traditional Mediterranean diet. > > Volumetrics, by Dr. Barbara Rolls. She's a researcher at Penn State > who's shown that filling up on foods with low calorie density helps > people lose weight. I don't know if weight is an issue here, but her > recommendations can also work for cholesterol control. > > As Barb says, exercise is vital. Do what you like to do and is most > practical. Fit in more activity into the daily routine. > > Good luck to you both! > Cindy Thanks, Cindy. I've got a question, though. Kat's post said her hubster was to be on a NO-cholesterol diet. Not low (that was for low-fat) but NO. Is "NO cholesterol" dietitian-speak for "Very low, verry verry low?" I'm not asking on Kat's behalf, but my own, I'm just curious about the words. Do ALL flesh bits have SOME cholesterol, even the littlest bit? If so, and the NO was for real, would not that point to a vegetarian food plan of one sort or another? Thanks for catching the thread. Good luck with the full time perfessership, too. -- http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 10-20-05 with a note from Niece Jo. |
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![]() "~patches~" > wrote in message ... > kilikini wrote: > > > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>In article >, > >> "Kat" > wrote: > >> > >>Funny, I can eat bacon and eggs and draw a blood specimen an hour later > >>(if I've been staying on my low carb diet) and Cholesterol will be > >>normal. > >> > >>If I eat bread, pizza, pasta, potatoes, sugar, it'll stay elevated for > >>about 3 days. Alcohol will do it too. > >> > >>Cheers! > >>-- > > > > > > Isn't that true? My husband had elevated liver enzymes (?) and the doctor > > was really worried that he'd need a liver transplant. He went on Atkins and > > started taking Milk Thistle. Boom! He's at normal levels. If he eats > > bread, pasta, rice or potatoes, his levels go up instantly (as well as his > > weight). <g> The difficult part about this diet is sticking to it. > > > > kili > > > > > kili, how long did it take for his liver enzymes to return to normal & > what dosage of milk thisle was he taking daily? 3 pills of milk thistle daily and this only took about 3 weeks. I'm not kidding. His doctor was absolutely stunned. kili |
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![]() "Kat" > wrote > Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I > really would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the > next 70 years or so ![]() You must have been scared to pieces. I'm glad things are looking up for you both. Good luck. nancy |
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![]() "Debbie" > wrote > Use cholesterol free oils for cooking. Any vegetable oil is cholesterol free ... you're looking for low saturated fat oils. nancy |
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On Sun 30 Oct 2005 04:34:30a, Kat wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is > released he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low fat. > I'll meet w/ the dietitian about 2 wk after he gets home so until then > I'm pretty much on my own. > I'm looking for no cholesterol and low fat main dishes. (something > filling, not just apples and carrot stix) > Any help would be greatly appreciated, he almost died this week and I > really would rather that never happen again, well at least not for the > next 70 years or so ![]() > Thanks, > ~Kat Kat, I'm glad to hear that your husband will soon be coming home and is on the mend. The white meat of turkey is your friend, roasted or grilled, without skin. As are low-fat fish like tuna, perch, etc. Obviously, fruits and vegetables of practically every description. If this was a heart related episode, you might want to pick up a copy of the American Heart Association's Cookbook. Actually, they have sever different books. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* _____________________________ http://tinypic.com/eikz78.jpg Meet Mr. Bailey |
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Kat wrote:
> > My husband has been in the hospital for the last week, when he is released > he will be required to go on a NO Cholesterol Diet and low fat. Three years ago, I went on a low-carb diet and have lost and kept off about 45 pounds. It's not necessarily because of the impact of the carbs, though. I discovered that eating low-carb resulted in a drastic (unplanned) reduction in my fat intake. Formerly I had been using maybe a quart of olive oil a month. After six months of using no oil, I tossed the half-used open bottle of oil and gave away the unopened bottle. There's something about carbs that cries out for fat. Just a few days ago, I was heating up something in my cast iron skillet, when it occurred to me that I couldn't even remember the last time I had used it for anything. Probably 2 or 3 months ago. Before I went on my diet, just about every dinner started out by frying some meat, chili peppers, and maybe onions or garlic in that skillet. You shouldn't jump into low-carb food for your husband without talking to the dietician, because there may be other considerations which apply to his condition. But if there's no constraint on that count, low-carb is a way to go low-fat. |
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