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Splenda trouble.
Alan S wrote:
> On 7 Nov 2005 19:46:30 -0800, "mrslang" > > wrote: > > > > >Alan S wrote: > >> On 7 Nov 2005 13:19:45 -0800, "mrslang" > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >I read > >> >recently that there was a study that showed people who drink diet soft > >> >drinks actually put on more weight than those who drink regular stuff. > >> > >> I'd be interested to see the source, with context and > >> supporting references. > > > >http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/107/108476.htm > > > >> I read recently that Elvis was seen in the Simpson desert. > > > >jessica, oj, or homer? > > > >Sally > > Well, actually, the one in Oz. However - I accept the > correction, although it would be difficult to be seen in a > cultural desert. But then, it would be difficult to see this > subject anyplace:-) > > Interesting article. I tend to agree with this comment on > page 2: > > '"One possible part of the explanation is that people who > see they are beginning to gain weight may be more likely to > switch from regular to diet soda," Fowler suggests. "But > despite their switching, their weight may continue to grow > for other reasons. Actually, only one reason... more food on the plate. > So diet soft-drink use is a marker for > overweight and obesity." Actually, here it would be a marker for those whose appetite is stimulated by sweetness **and** an agent for stimulating that appetite (aka hunger) compelling someone to put more food on the plate. > Why? Nutrition expert Leslie Bonci, MPH, RD, puts it in a > nutshell. > > "You have to look at what's on your plate, not just what's > in your glass," Bonci tells WebMD. Actually, you have to **weigh** what is on your plate even if there is no nutritive value for what is in your glass. Visual estimates on food amount tend to get skewed to underestimation when there is hunger. For those who are interested in discussing these points further... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place this Thursday 11/10/05 (day after tomorrow) from 6-7 pm Eastern Standard Time in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical, diabetes, nutrition, diet, cooking questions (including Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. This is unlikely because they were notably absent from the 11/3/05 chat but one can always hope :-). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 p.s. Cross-posting was done purposefully because of relevance. |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
> > wrote: > > Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the > several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post > something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities > straight. Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times enough to prove your false witness. > And look, he continues to obsess about the weight of food. Truth is not an obsession. > > Actually, you have to **weigh** what is on your plate even if there is > > no nutritive value for what is in your glass. Visual estimates on food > > amount tend to get skewed to underestimation when there is hunger. > > > > For those who are interested in discussing these points further... > > And look, he continues to obsess about his personal aggrandizement. Discussion is not personal aggrandizement. > > **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following > > on-line event that will take place this Thursday 11/10/05 (day after > > tomorrow) from 6-7 pm Eastern Standard Time in Paradise: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh > > And obsessing about getting religion into his junk science. Christ Jesus is not a religion. > > There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to > > field medical, diabetes, nutrition, diet, cooking questions (including > > Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light > > that is Christ Jesus. > > And obsessing in his lack of accurate discernment. Prediction is not discernment. > > This is unlikely because they were notably > > absent from the 11/3/05 chat but one can always hope :-). > > And look, still obsessing about His critics. There is no need for worrying about God's critics because He will take care of them. > And still obsessing about his hyperreligiosity. Being openly Christian is not hyperreligiosity. > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for > > how God has reshaped me: > > And still obsessing about the terror of death. Those who walk with Lord Jesus Christ have peace that passes all understanding. Obsession, terror, and death have all been utterly vanquished by Him. > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, > > > > Andrew > > -- > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > > Board-Certified Cardiologist > > And still obsessing about boasting about his credentials. All the glory belongs to God, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) > > ** > > Suggested Reading: > > And still obsessing about his great cleverness. All knowledge and wisdom come from God: > > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA > > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B > > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A > > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A > > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A > > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > > p.s. Cross-posting was done purposefully because of relevance. > > And still obsessing about trying to embarrass people in other newsgroups. All your shame and embarrassment come from your sins... .... as do your obsessions: > The Andrew Chung Action Figure now available... > http://www.mcphee.com/items/11561.html > > And still and forever obsessing about proselytizing in the guise of > talking about medicine. It probably does seem like forever to you :-) > Poor, poor, twisted guy... > > Pastorio That you are by your own words :-) Truth is simple: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE he http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all NGs receiving this post... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since the failed to appear on 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Hey Bob (this one).
I rest my case. :-) (As Bob pulls back his rod and hooks another one) Paul Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > "Bob (this one)" wrote: > wrote: >> >>Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the >>several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post >>something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities >>straight. > > > Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify > that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times > enough to prove your false witness. > > >>And look, he continues to obsess about the weight of food. > > > Truth is not an obsession. > > >>>Actually, you have to **weigh** what is on your plate even if there is >>>no nutritive value for what is in your glass. Visual estimates on food >>>amount tend to get skewed to underestimation when there is hunger. >>> >>>For those who are interested in discussing these points further... >> >>And look, he continues to obsess about his personal aggrandizement. > > > Discussion is not personal aggrandizement. > > >>>**All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following >>>on-line event that will take place this Thursday 11/10/05 (day after >>>tomorrow) from 6-7 pm Eastern Standard Time in Paradise: >>> >>>http://tinyurl.com/cpayh >> >>And obsessing about getting religion into his junk science. > > > Christ Jesus is not a religion. > > >>>There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to >>>field medical, diabetes, nutrition, diet, cooking questions (including >>>Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light >>>that is Christ Jesus. >> >>And obsessing in his lack of accurate discernment. > > > Prediction is not discernment. > > >>>This is unlikely because they were notably >>>absent from the 11/3/05 chat but one can always hope :-). >> >>And look, still obsessing about His critics. > > > There is no need for worrying about God's critics because He will take > care of them. > > >>And still obsessing about his hyperreligiosity. > > > Being openly Christian is not hyperreligiosity. > > >>>For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for >>>how God has reshaped me: >> >>And still obsessing about the terror of death. > > > Those who walk with Lord Jesus Christ have peace that passes all > understanding. Obsession, terror, and death have all been utterly > vanquished by Him. > > >>>http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt >>> >>>In Christ's love and service forevermore, >>> >>>Andrew >>>-- >>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD >>>Board-Certified Cardiologist >> >>And still obsessing about boasting about his credentials. > > > All the glory belongs to God, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, > and strength :-) > > >>>** >>>Suggested Reading: >> >>And still obsessing about his great cleverness. > > > All knowledge and wisdom come from God: > > >>>(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA >>>(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B >>>(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A >>>(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A >>>(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A >>>(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A >>>(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> >>>p.s. Cross-posting was done purposefully because of relevance. >> >>And still obsessing about trying to embarrass people in other newsgroups. > > > All your shame and embarrassment come from your sins... > > ... as do your obsessions: > > >>The Andrew Chung Action Figure now available... >>http://www.mcphee.com/items/11561.html >> >>And still and forever obsessing about proselytizing in the guise of >>talking about medicine. > > > It probably does seem like forever to you :-) > > >>Poor, poor, twisted guy... >> >>Pastorio > > > That you are by your own words :-) > > Truth is simple: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A > > The way to the truth is straight and narrow: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A > > You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's holy > name. > > May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and > Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the > fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. > > Here's how: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which > is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 > arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the > Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the > 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make > His presence known here on Usenet :-) > > Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 > oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what > "omer" literally means in Hebrew. > > Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) > thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-) > > http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp > > http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp > > You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet > others who have been using this WOE he > > http://www.TheHealthFair.com > > You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about > the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's > fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to > TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally > from the 2PD-OMER Approach): > > http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com > > In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all > NGs receiving this post... > > **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following > on-line event that will take place this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm > EST in Paradise: > > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh > > There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to > field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, > Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that > is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since the failed to appear on > 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how > God has reshaped me: > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, > > Andrew > -- > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Board-Certified Cardiologist > > ** > Suggested Reading: > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Paul Schilter wrote:
> Hey Bob (this one). > I rest my case. :-) Actually, you do not have a case to rest. > (As Bob pulls back his rod and hooks another one) Bob is not the OP of this thread. > > In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all > > NGs receiving this post... > > > > **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following > > on-line event that will take place this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm > > EST in Paradise: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh > > > > There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to > > field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, > > Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that > > is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since they failed to appear on > > 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). > > > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how > > God has reshaped me: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, > > > > Andrew > > -- > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > > Board-Certified Cardiologist > > > > ** > > Suggested Reading: > > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA > > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B > > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A > > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A > > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A > > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Vicki Beausoleil wrote:
> Paul Schilter wrote: > > > > Bob, > > Congratulations, your post is the closest post I have read that defines > > "trolling". I can just picture you in a boat with rod and reel waiting > > for a strike from Dr. Chung. I mean some of your comments are like > > chumming the water for fish. :-) You've got to realize that you aren't > > going to change the good doctor and if anything your post will just give > > him more zeal. IMHO > > Paul > > > snip > deliberately xposted > > Chung started trolling these groups (you do realize Chung has > crossposted this to 3 groups, don't you?) long before Bob started in on > him. Actually, the purposeful crossposting started this morning at 6:06 am EST with Bob Pastorio responding angrily 6 hrs later. > If he would have stayed in his own group, sci.med.cardiology, then > all his crap would have stayed right there. Actually, the OP resides in ASD: http://tinyurl.com/784k2 > But, in his zeal to promote > his 2PD crap, he started crossposting to ASD, MHD, ASDLC and others. Actually, this thread originated from ASD and then SMC, ASDL, RFC (not MHD) were purposefully added because it is on-topic for these other NGs. > Chung's the troll Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You will be in my prayers, dear Vicki, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE he http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all NGs receiving this post... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since they failed to appear on 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article >: >"Bob (this one)" wrote: >> Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the >> several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post >> something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities >> straight. >Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify >that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times >enough to prove your false witness. Of course it's an alias; Webster says "alias" means "otherwise called" or ""otherwise known as" so it is "an assumed name." How is nospam6 NOT one of those? How long it's been used has nothing to do with what it is. He that is not truthful in small things should not be trusted to be truthful in large things. -- Don Kirkman |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Don Kirkman wrote:
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article >: > > >"Bob (this one)" wrote: > > >> Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the > >> several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post > >> something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities > >> straight. > > >Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify > >that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times > >enough to prove your false witness. > > Of course it's an alias; Webster says "alias" means "otherwise called" > or ""otherwise known as" so it is "an assumed name." How is nospam6 NOT > one of those? It is not an assumed name but remains part of an email address. > How long it's been used has nothing to do with what it > is. It does reveal the falsity of Bob's claim about the newness of an email address on top of the false premise that this email address is a "handle:" "Yet another handle among the several to evade all those killfiles." > He that is not truthful in small things should not be trusted to be > truthful in large things. > -- > Don Kirkman And so you will be judged by your own measure. Nonetheless, it remains my choice not to judge you and so you will remain in my prayers, dear Don, whom I love, in Lord Jesus' most precious and holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE he http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all NGs receiving this post... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place day after tomorrow or this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since they failed to appear on 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
We had a serious bout with off topic e-mail just a few weeks back. Please take
this off topic discussion somewhere else. Dan Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > "Bob (this one)" wrote: > wrote: >> >>Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the >>several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post >>something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities >>straight. > > > Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify > that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times > enough to prove your false witness. > > >>And look, he continues to obsess about the weight of food. > > > Truth is not an obsession. > > >>>Actually, you have to **weigh** what is on your plate even if there is >>>no nutritive value for what is in your glass. Visual estimates on food >>>amount tend to get skewed to underestimation when there is hunger. >>> >>>For those who are interested in discussing these points further... >> >>And look, he continues to obsess about his personal aggrandizement. > > > Discussion is not personal aggrandizement. > > >>>**All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following >>>on-line event that will take place this Thursday 11/10/05 (day after >>>tomorrow) from 6-7 pm Eastern Standard Time in Paradise: >>> >>>http://tinyurl.com/cpayh >> >>And obsessing about getting religion into his junk science. > > > Christ Jesus is not a religion. > > >>>There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to >>>field medical, diabetes, nutrition, diet, cooking questions (including >>>Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light >>>that is Christ Jesus. >> >>And obsessing in his lack of accurate discernment. > > > Prediction is not discernment. > > >>>This is unlikely because they were notably >>>absent from the 11/3/05 chat but one can always hope :-). >> >>And look, still obsessing about His critics. > > > There is no need for worrying about God's critics because He will take > care of them. > > >>And still obsessing about his hyperreligiosity. > > > Being openly Christian is not hyperreligiosity. > > >>>For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for >>>how God has reshaped me: >> >>And still obsessing about the terror of death. > > > Those who walk with Lord Jesus Christ have peace that passes all > understanding. Obsession, terror, and death have all been utterly > vanquished by Him. > > >>>http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt >>> >>>In Christ's love and service forevermore, >>> >>>Andrew >>>-- >>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD >>>Board-Certified Cardiologist >> >>And still obsessing about boasting about his credentials. > > > All the glory belongs to God, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, > and strength :-) > > >>>** >>>Suggested Reading: >> >>And still obsessing about his great cleverness. > > > All knowledge and wisdom come from God: > > >>>(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA >>>(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B >>>(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A >>>(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A >>>(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A >>>(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A >>>(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> >>>p.s. Cross-posting was done purposefully because of relevance. >> >>And still obsessing about trying to embarrass people in other newsgroups. > > > All your shame and embarrassment come from your sins... > > ... as do your obsessions: > > >>The Andrew Chung Action Figure now available... >>http://www.mcphee.com/items/11561.html >> >>And still and forever obsessing about proselytizing in the guise of >>talking about medicine. > > > It probably does seem like forever to you :-) > > >>Poor, poor, twisted guy... >> >>Pastorio > > > That you are by your own words :-) > > Truth is simple: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A > > The way to the truth is straight and narrow: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A > > You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's holy > name. > > May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and > Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the > fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. > > Here's how: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which > is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 > arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the > Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the > 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make > His presence known here on Usenet :-) > > Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 > oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what > "omer" literally means in Hebrew. > > Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) > thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-) > > http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp > > http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp > > You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet > others who have been using this WOE he > > http://www.TheHealthFair.com > > You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about > the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's > fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to > TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally > from the 2PD-OMER Approach): > > http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com > > In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all > NGs receiving this post... > > **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following > on-line event that will take place this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm > EST in Paradise: > > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh > > There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to > field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, > Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that > is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since the failed to appear on > 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how > God has reshaped me: > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, > > Andrew > -- > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Board-Certified Cardiologist > > ** > Suggested Reading: > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
dansawyeror wrote:
> We had a serious bout with off topic e-mail just a few weeks back. This is USENET and not email. > Please take > this off topic discussion somewhere else. Actually this remains on-topic he > > In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all > > NGs receiving this post... > > > > **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following > > on-line event that will take place this Thursday (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm > > EST in Paradise: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh > > > > There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to > > field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, > > Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that > > is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since the failed to appear on > > 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). > > > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how > > God has reshaped me: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, > > > > Andrew > > -- > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > > Board-Certified Cardiologist > > > > ** > > Suggested Reading: > > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA > > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B > > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A > > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A > > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A > > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:01:50 -0800, Don Kirkman >
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >article >: > >>"Bob (this one)" wrote: > >>> Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the >>> several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post >>> something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities >>> straight. > >>Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify >>that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times >>enough to prove your false witness. > >Of course it's an alias; Webster says "alias" means "otherwise called" >or ""otherwise known as" so it is "an assumed name." How is nospam6 NOT >one of those? How long it's been used has nothing to do with what it >is. > >He that is not truthful in small things should not be trusted to be >truthful in large things. of course it's an alias, it was put in the AUTHOR field when posted. chung is nothing but a liar. |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Vicki Beausoleil wrote:
> "Ma¢k" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:01:50 -0800, Don Kirkman > > > Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: > > > > >It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > > >article >: > > > > > >>"Bob (this one)" wrote: > > > > > >>> Oh, look. It's our old friend nospam6. Yet another handle among the > > >>> several to evade all those killfiles. So urgent is his need to post > > >>> something - anything - that he can't even keep his online identities > > >>> straight. > > > > > >>Actually, an email address is **not** an alias. Google will testify > > >>that the nospam6 email address has been around the block a few times > > >>enough to prove your false witness. > > > > > >Of course it's an alias; Webster says "alias" means "otherwise called" > > >or ""otherwise known as" so it is "an assumed name." How is nospam6 NOT > > >one of those? How long it's been used has nothing to do with what it > > >is. > > > > > >He that is not truthful in small things should not be trusted to be > > >truthful in large things. > > > > of course it's an alias, it was put in the AUTHOR field when posted. > > chung is nothing but a liar. It remains my choice to continue to be truthful. "I am the way, **the truth**, and the life..." says Lord Jesus Christ > > Jesus never hated anyone. Then why are you not answering the door when He knocks ?? > Yet another reason to keep the complaints flowing to Bellsouth. Then my continued presence via BellSouth and Google will forever glorify God bringing to bear irrefutable archived evidence of His infinite power that neither BellSouth nor Google have been able to overcome. May countless people from all over the world witness this now and in the future, in Lord Jesus' most precious and holy name. Isaiah 59:21 > Changing nicks to avoid killfiles is classic troll behaviour. As is crossposting. Thankfully, the Google archives will show on which side of the truth you reside. In the continued interest of bringing this thread back on-topic for all NGs receiving this post... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place tomorrow (11/10/05) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since they failed to appear on 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > Vicki Beausoleil wrote: <snip> > > > Chung's the troll > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > <snip> Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex. Vicki describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Ernst Primer wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > Vicki Beausoleil wrote: > <snip> > > > Chung's the troll > > > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > <snip> > > Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex. It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. > Vicki > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you stand. > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions. See for yourself tomorrow... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place tomorrow (11/10) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However, this is unlikely since they were no-shows last week). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Cuz wrote:
> > I think some of the people in this group obsess about Chung... Find out why tomorrow... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place tomorrow (11/10) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However, this is unlikely since they were no-shows last week). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: In this interest of bringing this back to the meta-topic: How is this Jesus junk remotely on topic for any of these groups? Matthew wasn't LC. Accepting His love has nothing to do with proper cardiology, diabetes, low carbing or food in general. You can't eat it. You can't control your blood sugar with it. You can't cook it. And you can't defibrulate it. You can however hold it in one hand and crap in the other. Get back to us on which one fills up first. > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > > Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: > > 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely > say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, > > because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they > persecuted the prophets who were before you. > > You will be in my prayers, dear Vicki, whom I love, in Lord Christ's > holy name. > > May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and > Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the > fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. > > Here's how: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 > which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, > the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign > of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], > and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did > not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) This thing is why I think Chung is a little beyond the norm of people who believe in Jesus. He believes that God is not only in the Internet, but that he is making short links and webpages and posting to Usenet. On top of that, he thinks God is shilling for his wacky two pounds diet. When you've filled one of those hands I was talking about before with two pounds, maybe you can eat that. > Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 > oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is > what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Exodus 16:16 reads as follows: This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents. An omer is a measure of weight and of time (more frequently). At no point is an omer of weight defined. His claim that this is 2 pounds is artless and deceptive for the gullible. Shameless. > Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) > thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) Long way to get there. Why couldn't you start here, and work your magic with the cult stuff left out. Maybe someone would take you seriously if you junked the junk and just focused on the realities of why your goofy diet works. I will suggest that it doesn't really work, which explains your need to cover it with this mysticism. Submit it for real scientific studies. Hell, put it on the Biggest Loser or Celebrity Fit Club. Do something to put you ahead of even Ori the Warrior Diet guy, cause right now, even he has more science and proof than you do. > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for > how God has reshaped me: > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, Vanity oh Vanity. Vain repetitions in JC's name. I'm sure he said something about that once. It was so important, I think it was in TWO gospels. -Hollywood |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
wrote:
> > In this interest of bringing this back to the meta-topic: > How is this Jesus junk remotely on topic for any of these groups? The invitation remains on-topic. > Matthew wasn't LC. The invitation is not about Matthew. > Accepting His love has nothing to do with proper cardiology, diabetes, > low carbing or food in general. You can't eat it. You can't control > your blood sugar with it. You can't cook it. And you can't defibrulate > it. The invitation remain on-topic. > You can however hold it in one hand and crap in the other. Get back to > us on which one fills up first. You have the free will to reject this invitation. > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > > > > Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: > > > > 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely > > say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, > > > > because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they > > persecuted the prophets who were before you. > > > > You will be in my prayers, dear Vicki, whom I love, in Lord Christ's > > holy name. > > > > May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and > > Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the > > fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. > > > > Here's how: > > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > > > Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is > > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 > > which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, > > the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign > > of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], > > and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did > > not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) > > This thing is why I think Chung is a little beyond the norm of people > who believe in Jesus. He believes that God is not only in the Internet, > but that he is making short links and webpages and posting to Usenet. > On top of that, he thinks God is shilling for his wacky two pounds > diet. When you've filled one of those hands I was talking about before > with two pounds, maybe you can eat that. You may certainly claim that God is not omnipotent. > > Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 > > oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is > > what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. > > Exodus 16:16 reads as follows: > This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man > according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number > of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents. > > An omer is a measure of weight and of time (more frequently). At no > point is an omer of weight defined. His claim that this is 2 pounds is > artless and deceptive for the gullible. Shameless. It has been empirically determined that an omer is 32 ounces (aka 2 lbs). > > Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) > > thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) > > Long way to get there. Why couldn't you start here, and work your magic > with the cult stuff left out. Maybe someone would take you seriously if > you junked the junk and just focused on the realities of why your goofy > diet works. I will suggest that it doesn't really work, which explains > your need to cover it with this mysticism. Submit it for real > scientific studies. Hell, put it on the Biggest Loser or Celebrity Fit > Club. Do something to put you ahead of even Ori the Warrior Diet guy, > cause right now, even he has more science and proof than you do. Being openly Christian is not a cult. > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for > > how God has reshaped me: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt > > > > In Christ's love and service forevermore, > > Vanity oh Vanity. Vain repetitions in JC's name. That which serves a purpose is not vain. > I'm sure he said > something about that once. It was so important, I think it was in TWO > gospels. Sorry my signature bothers you. Please forgive me for all my iniquities. It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. We can chat about this tomorrow if you are interested... **All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following on-line event that will take place tomorrow (11/10) from 6-7 pm EST in Paradise: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh There will also likely be other invited guest experts participating to field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is Christ Jesus. However, this is unlikely since they were no-shows last week). For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how God has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > Vicki Beausoleil wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Chung's the troll > > > > > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > > <snip> > > > > Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex. > > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. That's a nice, empty phrase you keep repeating. Ask anyone, and they will tell you they choose to write truthfully as well. Anyways, you're papering over the obvious here - you decided to take the term "troll," as it was applied to you, as purely an insult. My advice is look for the truth in that statement. You're doing yourself and these newsgroup participants a disservice by not doing do. > > > Vicki > > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what > > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). > > Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you > stand. Since Google is merely the name of a search engine and a Newsgroups outlet, I have no idea what you're talking about. Regardless, again, please keep in mind that the term "troll" is both pejorative and descriptive (for example, something like "****ing asshole" and "twerp" would be purely pejorative). Your focus on the pejorative connotations (as opposed to the descriptive connotations) of the word "troll" as it was applied to you was silly, and merely the umpteenth time you've melodramatically played the persecution card. It gets old, Andy. As a descriptor of your behavior, my *opinion* is that you are trolling, and therefore, are a troll. You can wiggle your cheeks all you want about it. Your recent TOS violations with your ISP and the repeated negative attention you seem to garner on Usenet has more to do with your trollish behavior (as opposed to your Christianity) than you're constitutionally able to admit to yourself. > > > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' > > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. > > Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions. Perhaps you are both sides of the same coin. > > See for yourself tomorrow... No thanks. You have nothing to offer me, and nothing to offer anyone I can see at ASDLC. However, I'm sure you have friends at sci.med.cardiology that appreciate you, and of course I'm sure your Invisible Man in the Sky is pleased as punch with you. Good day, and enjoy your chat. <snip> |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
TC wrote:
"In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." The presence of science doesn't appear to be adequate to the task here in the U.S. The state of Kansas' school board actually redefined science to *include* faith yesterday!!! pc |
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> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > Vicki Beausoleil wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > Chung's the troll > > > > > > > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > > > <snip> > > > > > > Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex. > > > > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. > > That's a nice, empty phrase you keep repeating. Ask anyone, and they > will tell you they choose to write truthfully as well. That is not what I discern. > Anyways, you're papering over the obvious here - you decided to take > the term "troll," as it was applied to you, as purely an insult. It remains my choice to turn the other cheek. > My > advice is look for the truth in that statement. It would be like looking for the truth in satan. > You're doing yourself > and these newsgroup participants a disservice by not doing do. That would be your opinion. > > > Vicki > > > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what > > > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). > > > > Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you > > stand. > > Since Google is merely the name of a search engine and a Newsgroups > outlet, I have no idea what you're talking about. Google is also an archive. > Regardless, again, > please keep in mind that the term "troll" is both pejorative and > descriptive (for example, something like "****ing asshole" and "twerp" > would be purely pejorative). Your focus on the pejorative connotations > (as opposed to the descriptive connotations) of the word "troll" as it > was applied to you was silly, and merely the umpteenth time you've > melodramatically played the persecution card. It gets old, Andy. More of your opinions. > As a descriptor of your behavior, my *opinion* is that you are > trolling, and therefore, are a troll. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter. > You can wiggle your cheeks all > you want about it. Your recent TOS violations with your ISP and the > repeated negative attention you seem to garner on Usenet has more to do > with your trollish behavior (as opposed to your Christianity) than > you're constitutionally able to admit to yourself. More opinion. > > > > > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' > > > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. > > > > Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions. > > Perhaps you are both sides of the same coin. That would be your guess. > > > > See for yourself tomorrow... > > No thanks. You have nothing to offer me, and nothing to offer anyone > I can see at ASDLC. My Lord offers eternal life for all those who will place their faith in Him. > However, I'm sure you have friends at > sci.med.cardiology that appreciate you, and of course I'm sure your > Invisible Man in the Sky is pleased as punch with you. My Lord guides me in everything I say, do, or write. > Good day, and enjoy your chat. Always do... in His kingdom's service. In keeping with being on-topic, **all** USENET participants are invited to the following on-line event happening this evening 6-7 pm EST where other invited experts in the areas of medicine, cardiology, diabetes, nutrition, and cooking may be present to field your questions: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
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> TC wrote: > > "In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." Science is the search for the truth. In the absence of this search, there is actually a lack of faith. > The presence of science doesn't appear to be adequate to the task here > in the U.S. The state of Kansas' school board actually redefined > science to *include* faith yesterday!!! Those who search for the truth actually have faith in its existence. Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things that interest you this evening from 6-7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service forevermore, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > wrote: > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > > Vicki Beausoleil wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Chung's the troll > > > > > > > > > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex. > > > > > > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. > > > > That's a nice, empty phrase you keep repeating. Ask anyone, and they > > will tell you they choose to write truthfully as well. > > That is not what I discern. Sigh. I guess that's your fortune-cookie way of saying 'I don't believe you." So, go ahead. Ask someone in this NG at random, "do you choose to write truthfully"? Chances are overwhleming anyone you ask at random will say yes. It's an empty phrase, much like a politician saying, "I am against crime," or "I am for lower taxes." > > > Anyways, you're papering over the obvious here - you decided to take > > the term "troll," as it was applied to you, as purely an insult. > > It remains my choice to turn the other cheek. It's your choice to turn your cheek, turn off your brain, whatever you like. > > > My > > advice is look for the truth in that statement. > > It would be like looking for the truth in satan. Look, I don't speak your lingo, but let me see if I can try - it isn't Satanic to be willing to examine your own flaws. What's Satanic is you completely denying yourself the opportunity to engage in a little self-reflection, and perversely using religious fervor to do it. Your religion isn't supposed to blind you to people around you. You frequently behave on this newsgroup like an annoying attention-hound. You've been rude and short with people, but at the same time you seem to have the attitude that your religiousity should cut you a break. You seem to have the uncanny ability to take any thread off-topic. People call you on stuff like this. My suggestion to you is that if you do that tiresome, oh-I'm-so-persecuted ouch-cheek thing everytime someone calls you on it, you lose a marvelous opportunity to actually, well, LEARN SOMETHING. But God's on your side, so you don't have to worry about stuff like, well, self-reflection, right? > > > You're doing yourself > > and these newsgroup participants a disservice by not doing do. > > That would be your opinion. Yes, this is all my opinion. And, I could be wrong. (You should try saying that sometime). > > > > > Vicki > > > > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what > > > > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). > > > > > > Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you > > > stand. > > > > Since Google is merely the name of a search engine and a Newsgroups > > outlet, I have no idea what you're talking about. > > Google is also an archive. ... and as an archive, search engine, and a newsgroup outlet, it (google) isn't in a position to "testify" as to whether a description fits you best or not. In the service of modelling humble and intellectually honest behavior for you, I will concede to you - it's not really a question of truth, it's a matter of opinion (e.g. whether you are a troll or not). I'm convinced you are. You're convinced you're not. > > > Regardless, again, > > please keep in mind that the term "troll" is both pejorative and > > descriptive (for example, something like "****ing asshole" and "twerp" > > would be purely pejorative). Your focus on the pejorative connotations > > (as opposed to the descriptive connotations) of the word "troll" as it > > was applied to you was silly, and merely the umpteenth time you've > > melodramatically played the persecution card. It gets old, Andy. > > More of your opinions. More of the obvious from Dr. Chung. This is the difference. I'm not so monstrously hung-up on my own infallibility (as you seem to be) that I label every other one of my opinions as "truth." > > > As a descriptor of your behavior, my *opinion* is that you are > > trolling, and therefore, are a troll. > > Thankfully, your opinion does not matter. <shrug> Actually, I note my words to you matter as much as they matter anywhere on Usenet - you're responding to me, and therefore reading what I write. There is no more valuable currency of "mattering" here than that. Publicly, I suspect you feel you have too much to lose to admit you ever take anyone's criticism's seriously, but privately, perhaps (I'm just being optimistic here), you're occasionally reflective. Maybe. Maybe not. > > > You can wiggle your cheeks all > > you want about it. Your recent TOS violations with your ISP and the > > repeated negative attention you seem to garner on Usenet has more to do > > with your trollish behavior (as opposed to your Christianity) than > > you're constitutionally able to admit to yourself. > > More opinion. Pedantic of you, but thanks. Again, I have a thing about intellectual honesty. I don't label my opinions as "truth" in knee-jerk fashion. Even if I'm speaking the truth, I sometimes don't even label it as such... perhaps I have an innate faith in my audience to eventually come to the correct conclusions on their own. > > > > > > > > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' > > > > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. > > > > > > Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions. > > > > Perhaps you are both sides of the same coin. > > That would be your guess. Brilliant. That would be why I used the word "perhaps" when I commented on your guess about Bob's mental state. > > > > > > > See for yourself tomorrow... > > > > No thanks. You have nothing to offer me, and nothing to offer anyone > > I can see at ASDLC. > > My Lord offers eternal life for all those who will place their faith in > Him. .... which is completely off-topic for ASDLC, which is a big deal in the world of netiquette. This may not seem important to you, after all, you're on a religious quest of some kind. But it's important to others, and that's exactly my point. |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > pinecone wrote: > > TC wrote: > > > > "In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." > > Science is the search for the truth. In the absence of this search, > there is actually a lack of faith. Actually, science is merely a method of discovering how the (material) world works. When it comes to explaining the truly important things (and things that are largely off-topic for these groups), like justice, morality, beauty, etc., science is pretty ineffective. I guess science could be looked at as a "search for truth," but not really the interesting truths, IMHO. Also, practicing science really requires no faith whatsoever - other than faith that the metholology being used is sound. Pure empiricists believe in nothing at all unless it is observable. This is all basic Philosophy of Science 101. <snip> |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
It seems to me I heard somewhere that pinecone wrote in article
.com>: >TC wrote: >"In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." >The presence of science doesn't appear to be adequate to the task here >in the U.S. The state of Kansas' school board actually redefined >science to *include* faith yesterday!!! And on a brighter note, the Dover, Pennsylvania, voters un-elected eight school board members who "had ordered a statement on intelligent design read in biology class" and elected eight who "want the concept stripped from the science curriculum." Meantime a federal trial is looking at the whole question raised by Dover's policy, which so far has resulted in one class having the statement read to them prior beginning their study of biology. Out of mercy I'm omitting the party affiliations of the members. :-) Summarized from an Associated Press story as reported in the LA Times, Nov. 10, 2005 -- Don Kirkman |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/10/05)
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:37:58 -0800, Don Kirkman >
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >It seems to me I heard somewhere that pinecone wrote in article s.com>: > >>TC wrote: > >>"In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." > >>The presence of science doesn't appear to be adequate to the task here >>in the U.S. The state of Kansas' school board actually redefined >>science to *include* faith yesterday!!! > >And on a brighter note, the Dover, Pennsylvania, voters un-elected eight >school board members who "had ordered a statement on intelligent design >read in biology class" and elected eight who "want the concept stripped >from the science curriculum." Meantime a federal trial is looking at >the whole question raised by Dover's policy, which so far has resulted >in one class having the statement read to them prior beginning their >study of biology. Out of mercy I'm omitting the party affiliations of >the members. :-) >Summarized from an Associated Press story as reported in the LA Times, >Nov. 10, 2005 more off topic to the groups this is being trolled to |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/17/05)
wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > wrote: > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > > > Vicki Beausoleil wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > Chung's the troll > > > > > > > > > > > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek. > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex. > > > > > > > > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. > > > > > > That's a nice, empty phrase you keep repeating. Ask anyone, and they > > > will tell you they choose to write truthfully as well. > > > > That is not what I discern. > > Sigh. I guess that's your fortune-cookie way of saying 'I don't > believe you." Your guess is wrong. > So, go ahead. Ask someone in this NG at random, "do you choose to > write truthfully"? Chances are overwhleming anyone you ask at random > will say yes. Again, that is not what I discern. > It's an empty phrase, much like a politician saying, "I > am against crime," or "I am for lower taxes." In your opinion. > > > Anyways, you're papering over the obvious here - you decided to take > > > the term "troll," as it was applied to you, as purely an insult. > > > > It remains my choice to turn the other cheek. > > It's your choice to turn your cheek, turn off your brain, whatever > you like. Sorry you don't like my truthful response. > > > My > > > advice is look for the truth in that statement. > > > > It would be like looking for the truth in satan. > > Look, I don't speak your lingo, but let me see if I can try - it > isn't Satanic to be willing to examine your own flaws. No such claim was made. > What's Satanic > is you completely denying yourself the opportunity to engage in a > little self-reflection, and perversely using religious fervor to do it. In Christ, one has died to selfishness. > Your religion isn't supposed to blind you to people around you. Following Christ is not a religion but a way of life. > You frequently behave on this newsgroup like an annoying > attention-hound. In your opinion. > You've been rude and short with people, but at the > same time you seem to have the attitude that your religiousity should > cut you a break. More opinion. > You seem to have the uncanny ability to take any > thread off-topic. People call you on stuff like this. Others also have God's gift of free will. > My suggestion to you is that if you do that tiresome, > oh-I'm-so-persecuted ouch-cheek thing everytime someone calls you on > it, you lose a marvelous opportunity to actually, well, LEARN > SOMETHING. Sorry my choice to obey my LORD bothers you. > But God's on your side, so you don't have to worry about > stuff like, well, self-reflection, right? "Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself." teaches LORD Jesus Christ. > > > > > You're doing yourself > > > and these newsgroup participants a disservice by not doing do. > > > > That would be your opinion. > > Yes, this is all my opinion. And, I could be wrong. > > (You should try saying that sometime). (It remains my choice to stick with the truth rather than to formulate an opinion). > > > > > Vicki > > > > > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what > > > > > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). > > > > > > > > Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you > > > > stand. > > > > > > Since Google is merely the name of a search engine and a Newsgroups > > > outlet, I have no idea what you're talking about. > > > > Google is also an archive. > > ... and as an archive, search engine, and a newsgroup outlet, it > (google) isn't in a position to "testify" as to whether a description > fits you best or not. In the service of modelling humble and > intellectually honest behavior for you, I will concede to you - it's > not really a question of truth, it's a matter of opinion (e.g. whether > you are a troll or not). I'm convinced you are. You're convinced you're > not. In truth, how GOD regards me is the only thing that matters. > > > Regardless, again, > > > please keep in mind that the term "troll" is both pejorative and > > > descriptive (for example, something like "****ing asshole" and "twerp" > > > would be purely pejorative). Your focus on the pejorative connotations > > > (as opposed to the descriptive connotations) of the word "troll" as it > > > was applied to you was silly, and merely the umpteenth time you've > > > melodramatically played the persecution card. It gets old, Andy. > > > > More of your opinions. > > More of the obvious from Dr. Chung. Such is the truth for those who are able to discern it. > This is the difference. I'm not > so monstrously hung-up on my own infallibility (as you seem to be) that > I label every other one of my opinions as "truth." Your opinions are not the truth. > > > > > As a descriptor of your behavior, my *opinion* is that you are > > > trolling, and therefore, are a troll. > > > > Thankfully, your opinion does not matter. > > <shrug> Actually, I note my words to you matter as much as they > matter anywhere on Usenet - you're responding to me, and therefore > reading what I write. There is no more valuable currency of "mattering" > here than that. > > Publicly, I suspect you feel you have too much to lose to admit you > ever take anyone's criticism's seriously, but privately, perhaps (I'm > just being optimistic here), you're occasionally reflective. Maybe. > Maybe not. Insults are not criticisms. The former reveal a soul in need of salvation. The latter are opportunities for the wise to grow in knowledge. A person who does not know the difference is someone without wisdom. The LORD is the source of all wisdom. > > > > > You can wiggle your cheeks all > > > you want about it. Your recent TOS violations with your ISP and the > > > repeated negative attention you seem to garner on Usenet has more to do > > > with your trollish behavior (as opposed to your Christianity) than > > > you're constitutionally able to admit to yourself. > > > > More opinion. > > Pedantic of you, but thanks. Again, I have a thing about > intellectual honesty. I don't label my opinions as "truth" in knee-jerk > fashion. Even if I'm speaking the truth, I sometimes don't even label > it as such... perhaps I have an innate faith in my audience to > eventually come to the correct conclusions on their own. Your faith in others is misplaced. > > > > > > > > > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' > > > > > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. > > > > > > > > Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions. > > > > > > Perhaps you are both sides of the same coin. > > > > That would be your guess. > > Brilliant. That would be why I used the word "perhaps" when I > commented on your guess about Bob's mental state. Behavior is observed rather than guessed. > > > > > > > > See for yourself tomorrow... > > > > > > No thanks. You have nothing to offer me, and nothing to offer anyone > > > I can see at ASDLC. > > > > My Lord offers eternal life for all those who will place their faith in > > Him. > > .... which is completely off-topic for ASDLC, which is a big deal in > the world of netiquette. In truth, the chat was not held in ASDLC. Nor will it be held in ASDLC next week. > This may not seem important to you, after all, you're on a religious > quest of some kind. But it's important to others, and that's exactly my > point. Your opinion is pointless. Nonetheless, would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service now and forever, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/17/05)
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> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > pinecone wrote: > > > TC wrote: > > > > > > "In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." > > > > Science is the search for the truth. In the absence of this search, > > there is actually a lack of faith. > > Actually, science is merely a method of discovering how the > (material) world works. Science and the scientific method are two different things. > When it comes to explaining the truly important > things (and things that are largely off-topic for these groups), like > justice, morality, beauty, etc., science is pretty ineffective. The truth is the foundation of all things that you have judged to be important whether these things are off-topic or not. > I guess science could be looked at as a "search for truth," but not > really the interesting truths, IMHO. The truth is absolute. You would have known this had you been able to discern the truth. > Also, practicing science really > requires no faith whatsoever - other than faith that the metholology > being used is sound. There is no such thing as practicing science. A scientist is not someone who practices science but someone whose mission is science. > Pure empiricists believe in nothing at all unless > it is observable. A scientist has faith in the existence of the truth which is being sought. > This is all basic Philosophy of Science 101. In your opinion. Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love and service now and forever, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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On-line Chat with HeartDoc (11/17/05)
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> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > wrote: > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: <snip> > > > > That is not what I discern. > > > > > > Sigh. I guess that's your fortune-cookie way of saying 'I don't > > > believe you." > > > > Your guess is wrong. > > Whatever. This reveals your disinterest in the truth. > > > So, go ahead. Ask someone in this NG at random, "do you choose to > > > write truthfully"? Chances are overwhleming anyone you ask at random > > > will say yes. > > > > Again, that is not what I discern. > > OK. So who did you ask? Those who have to ask about the truth are those who are unable to discern it. > > > It's an empty phrase, much like a politician saying, "I > > > am against crime," or "I am for lower taxes." > > > > In your opinion. > > Captain Obvious saves the day again. > > Again, I'm not so bombastic as to label my opinions "truth." > However, my opinions are hardly baseless. No opinion is baseless. Indeed, opinion is always subordinate to the truth. > > > > > Anyways, you're papering over the obvious here - you decided to take > > > > > the term "troll," as it was applied to you, as purely an insult. > > > > > > > > It remains my choice to turn the other cheek. > > > > > > It's your choice to turn your cheek, turn off your brain, whatever > > > you like. > > > > Sorry you don't like my truthful response. > > Sorry, it has nothing to do with your strange concept of truth. The truth is alien to the untruthful. > > > > > My > > > > > advice is look for the truth in that statement. > > > > > > > > It would be like looking for the truth in satan. > > > > > > Look, I don't speak your lingo, but let me see if I can try - it > > > isn't Satanic to be willing to examine your own flaws. > > > > No such claim was made. > > In case it isn't clear, looking for the truth in the the poster's > statement who called you a "troll" is what *I* am referred to as the > opportunity to examine your flaws. Namecalling is the process of delivering insults rather than the process of making statements. > You said that this would be like > "looking for the truth in satan." Now I'm not sure what, exactly, you > were responding to. Looking for truth in an insult would be like looking for truth in satan. In both cases, the truth would be absent. Those who are able to discern the truth know this already. > > > What's Satanic > > > is you completely denying yourself the opportunity to engage in a > > > little self-reflection, and perversely using religious fervor to do it. > > > > In Christ, one has died to selfishness. > > Besides that not being a quite grammatical sentence, you seem to be > confusing "selfishness" and "self-reflection." These are two extremely > different things. Moreover, in my direct personal and clinical > experience, those who deny themselves any opportunity for > self-reflection tend to be the most selfish people there are. A person who has been made selfless through the power of the Holy Spirit after completely surrendering his/her life to the LORD has no self to reflect, just His amazing light. > > > Your religion isn't supposed to blind you to people around you. > > > > Following Christ is not a religion but a way of life. > > Yes? Yes. > So that makes you exempt from examining and correcting your > faults? It remains my choice to stay surrendered to the LORD, Who tests me, humbles me, and reshapes me for His purposes and plans. > > > You frequently behave on this newsgroup like an annoying > > > attention-hound. > > > > In your opinion. > > I'll concede happily it's my opinion. However, it's not a baseless > opinion in the least. See above. > > > You've been rude and short with people, but at the > > > same time you seem to have the attitude that your religiousity should > > > cut you a break. > > > > More opinion. > > I'll concede happily it's my opinion. However, it's not a baseless > opinion in the least. See above. > > > You seem to have the uncanny ability to take any > > > thread off-topic. People call you on stuff like this. > > > > Others also have God's gift of free will. > > > > > My suggestion to you is that if you do that tiresome, > > > oh-I'm-so-persecuted ouch-cheek thing everytime someone calls you on > > > it, you lose a marvelous opportunity to actually, well, LEARN > > > SOMETHING. > > > > Sorry my choice to obey my LORD bothers you. > > See.... you're doing it again. You have this melodramatic > persecuted-Christian stuff down like a formula. Again, point totally > flew over your head. It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. > > > But God's on your side, so you don't have to worry about > > > stuff like, well, self-reflection, right? > > > > "Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself." > > teaches LORD Jesus Christ. > > Smart guy. Worry today - these concerns about your behavior are > relevant now. The LORD is teaching about today. > > > > > You're doing yourself > > > > > and these newsgroup participants a disservice by not doing do. > > > > > > > > That would be your opinion. > > > > > > Yes, this is all my opinion. And, I could be wrong. > > > > > > (You should try saying that sometime). > > > > (It remains my choice to stick with the truth rather than to formulate > > an opinion). > > Ah, problem is, when you have that attitude, you clearly give people > only two options - one, believe you unquestioningly when you imply that > you stick to "truth," (and nothing but, by implication). Which would > make you flawless. The truth is flawless. "I am the way, the truth, and the life" declares LORD Jesus Christ > The other option is to say the obvious: "wait, no one has a monopoly > on truth here in this material world, what is this guy trying to > pull"?? He is what He is. > I think you know where most people's sentiments are. Finding > God doesn't award you a truth-monopoly in all other things. Drop it. It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD. > I personally think you could go back to being twice as openly > Christian as you are now (if that's even possible) as long as you > showed a little humility and engaged in back-and-forth dialogue on a > more collaborative basis with people, as opposed to setting yourself up > as the infallible truth dispenser, which really puts people off. It > does me. Sorry the use of GOD's gift of truth discernment puts you off. > > > > > > > > > Vicki > > > > > > > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what > > > > > > > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > Since Google is merely the name of a search engine and a Newsgroups > > > > > outlet, I have no idea what you're talking about. > > > > > > > > Google is also an archive. > > > > > > ... and as an archive, search engine, and a newsgroup outlet, it > > > (google) isn't in a position to "testify" as to whether a description > > > fits you best or not. In the service of modelling humble and > > > intellectually honest behavior for you, I will concede to you - it's > > > not really a question of truth, it's a matter of opinion (e.g. whether > > > you are a troll or not). I'm convinced you are. You're convinced you're > > > not. > > > > In truth, how GOD regards me is the only thing that matters. > > All righty, so does God tell you that you that he regards you better > when you bombastically label all of your assertions and commentary as > being "truth," and make a point of labelling your interlocutor's > point's "opinion"? The LORD guides me in everything I say, do, or write. > > > > > Regardless, again, > > > > > please keep in mind that the term "troll" is both pejorative and > > > > > descriptive (for example, something like "****ing asshole" and "twerp" > > > > > would be purely pejorative). Your focus on the pejorative connotations > > > > > (as opposed to the descriptive connotations) of the word "troll" as it > > > > > was applied to you was silly, and merely the umpteenth time you've > > > > > melodramatically played the persecution card. It gets old, Andy. > > > > > > > > More of your opinions. > > > > > > More of the obvious from Dr. Chung. > > > > Such is the truth for those who are able to discern it. > > Or willing to discern it. I'm looking at you, Doctor. The ability to discern the truth comes from GOD and only after one has received the Holy Spirit. Those who do not possess this ability can no more will it into existence any more than can a blind man will his vision back. > > > This is the difference. I'm not > > > so monstrously hung-up on my own infallibility (as you seem to be) that > > > I label every other one of my opinions as "truth." > > > > Your opinions are not the truth. > > And what you label as "truths" are frequently your opinion. As if you were able to discern the truth. > Hence the problem. Being unable to discern the truth is an insurmountable problem. > > > > > As a descriptor of your behavior, my *opinion* is that you are > > > > > trolling, and therefore, are a troll. > > > > > > > > Thankfully, your opinion does not matter. > > > > > > <shrug> Actually, I note my words to you matter as much as they > > > matter anywhere on Usenet - you're responding to me, and therefore > > > reading what I write. There is no more valuable currency of "mattering" > > > here than that. > > > > > > Publicly, I suspect you feel you have too much to lose to admit you > > > ever take anyone's criticism's seriously, but privately, perhaps (I'm > > > just being optimistic here), you're occasionally reflective. Maybe. > > > Maybe not. > > > > Insults are not criticisms. > > They can be both, as I explained quite clearly. Explanations do not create truths. > > The former reveal a soul in need of > > salvation. The latter are opportunities for the wise to grow in > > knowledge. A person who does not know the difference is someone without > > wisdom. The LORD is the source of all wisdom. > > OK. Would suggest you let it sink in... > Consider my postings a humble offering to you. No, I don't claim > to have a monopoly on truth, either in the material or spiritual world. > However, I did take the time to translate the original poster's comment > on you as a "troll" and hopefully elucidated why it would be a mistake > for you to inordinately focus on your sense of insult (which would be a > selfish act). Looking for the truth in the statement would be a > selfless act, instead of thinking about how the term "troll" insults > you, you could think about why the other person might have said such a > thing. .... or not. > > > > > You can wiggle your cheeks all > > > > > you want about it. Your recent TOS violations with your ISP and the > > > > > repeated negative attention you seem to garner on Usenet has more to do > > > > > with your trollish behavior (as opposed to your Christianity) than > > > > > you're constitutionally able to admit to yourself. > > > > > > > > More opinion. > > > > > > Pedantic of you, but thanks. Again, I have a thing about > > > intellectual honesty. I don't label my opinions as "truth" in knee-jerk > > > fashion. Even if I'm speaking the truth, I sometimes don't even label > > > it as such... perhaps I have an innate faith in my audience to > > > eventually come to the correct conclusions on their own. > > > > Your faith in others is misplaced. > > Mere opinion. It is what I have discerned. > > > > > > > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling' > > > > > > > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you are both sides of the same coin. > > > > > > > > That would be your guess. > > > > > > Brilliant. That would be why I used the word "perhaps" when I > > > commented on your guess about Bob's mental state. > > > > Behavior is observed rather than guessed. > > No, you're wrong. If we're speaking in a purely empirical sense, an > "obsession" per se, is not a behavior that can be observed, but only > inferred. Obsessions are at *best* a covert behavior (and looking at an > obsession as a behavior is debatable) that can only be inferred on the > basis of outward behavior. > > As an aside, you represent yourself as an MD on these boards. Be > careful about diagnosing others with psychiatric disorders without > their permission (I'm not saying that's what you did, but you appear to > come close). That's an actionable ethical violation, at least as far as > the American Psychiatric Association is concerned. The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, or write. > > > > > > See for yourself tomorrow... > > > > > > > > > > No thanks. You have nothing to offer me, and nothing to offer anyone > > > > > I can see at ASDLC. > > > > > > > > My Lord offers eternal life for all those who will place their faith in > > > > Him. > > > > > > .... which is completely off-topic for ASDLC, which is a big deal in > > > the world of netiquette. > > > > In truth, the chat was not held in ASDLC. Nor will it be held in ASDLC > > next week. > > Thank God. All the time. > > > This may not seem important to you, after all, you're on a religious > > > quest of some kind. But it's important to others, and that's exactly my > > > point. > > > > Your opinion is pointless. > > My growing suspicion is that this entire exchange with you has been > pointless, but I have a hope that you'll re-read some of this later, an > in private you might actually reflect on yourself a bit in a way you > seem constitutionally incapable here. It remain my choice to keep my eyes on the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that may interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Ernst Primer wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > wrote: > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > pinecone wrote: > > > > > TC wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "In the absence of science, faith has to suffice." > > > > > > > > Science is the search for the truth. In the absence of this search, > > > > there is actually a lack of faith. > > > > > > Actually, science is merely a method of discovering how the > > > (material) world works. > > > > Science and the scientific method are two different things. > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > disagrees with you. I am not able to write more plainly. Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > Ernst Primer wrote: <snip> > > > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > > disagrees with you. > > I am not able to write more plainly. <snip> You're simply not trying hard enough. |
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Way O.T., but important to diabetics!
Chung wrote: "Science is the search for the truth. In the absence of this search, there is actually a lack of faith." I would enhance your statement to reflect that science is the search for truth using scientific method (only the Kansas school board has changed the definition to meet their own motives). The Science of Mind "religion" teaches that science supports "true" religion, and I think they are on to something. I think Jesus was, too, but other people *******ized his teaching. I think there is no problem with science and religion when the religion is "truly" truth-based. I think Jesus believed this--as evidenced by some of his statements. If you just read Jesus and forget Paul and the prophets and John for a while, you get an entirely different view of what "Christian" means. pc |
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pinecone wrote:
> Way O.T., but important to diabetics! Actually should be important to everyone. > Chung wrote: > > "Science is the search for the truth. In the absence of this search, > there is actually a lack of faith." > > I would enhance your statement to reflect that science is the search > for truth using scientific method (only the Kansas school board has > changed the definition to meet their own motives). In truth, your editing would be limiting rather than enhancing. > The Science of Mind > "religion" teaches that science supports "true" religion, and I think > they are on to something. There is no such thing as a true religion. The truth is independent of any religion or anything else that is man-made. > I think Jesus was, too, but other people > *******ized his teaching. Lord Jesus Christ **is** the way, the truth, and the life. > I think there is no problem with science and > religion when the religion is "truly" truth-based. I think Jesus > believed this--as evidenced by some of his statements. If you just > read Jesus and forget Paul and the prophets and John for a while, you > get an entirely different view of what "Christian" means. If you choose to be reborn of water and the Holy Spirit, you would be remade able to discern that there is unity. Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Ernst Primer wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > Ernst Primer wrote: > <snip> >> > > > > Science and the scientific method are two different things. > > > > > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > > > disagrees with you. > > > > I am not able to write more plainly. > > <snip> > > You're simply not trying hard enough. The ability to comprehend what is written comes from GOD and will not come from me regardless of my efforts. Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Ernst Primer wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > <massive snippage> > > > > > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, or write. > > Not everything. In everything. > unless the God of your understanding is way > different than the one I learned about in Sunday school - you've had > your off days here Andy. The LORD remains omnipotent. > Not to worry The LORD tells me not to worry. > you're human My corporeal form is human and of this world although since being reborn of water and the Holy Spirit, I am no longer of this world just as my LORD is not of this world. Would be more than happy to chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > Ernst Primer wrote: > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > <snip> > >> > > > > > Science and the scientific method are two different things. > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > > > > disagrees with you. > > > > > > I am not able to write more plainly. > > > > <snip> > > > > You're simply not trying hard enough. > > The ability to comprehend what is written comes from GOD and will not > come from me regardless of my efforts. <snip> Instead of invoking God to duck out of another opportunity to engage in intellectually honest discourse, why do you simply explain the evidentiary basis for your assertion "science and the scientific method are two different things." To clarify to you, I comprehend the above quoted sentence, but you have not clarified the evidence or reasoning for this (dubious) assertion. This is a symptom of the larger problem with your behavior on these NGs, by the way. |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > Ernst Primer wrote: > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > <snip> > >> > > > > > Science and the scientific method are two different things. > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > > > > disagrees with you. > > > > > > I am not able to write more plainly. > > > > <snip> > > > > You're simply not trying hard enough. > > The ability to comprehend what is written comes from GOD and will not > come from me regardless of my efforts. <snip> Instead of invoking God to duck out of another opportunity to engage in intellectually honest discourse, why don't you simply explain the evidentiary basis for your assertion "science and the scientific method are two different things." To clarify to you, I comprehend the above quoted sentence, but you have not clarified the evidence or reasoning for this (dubious) assertion. This is a symptom of the larger problem with your behavior on these NGs, by the way. |
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Ernst Primer wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > > > Science and the scientific method are two different things. > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > > > > > disagrees with you. > > > > > > > > I am not able to write more plainly. > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > You're simply not trying hard enough. > > > > The ability to comprehend what is written comes from GOD and will not > > come from me regardless of my efforts. > > <snip> > > Instead of invoking God to duck out of another opportunity to engage > in intellectually honest discourse, why do you simply explain the > evidentiary basis for your assertion "science and the scientific method > are two different things." > > To clarify to you, I comprehend the above quoted sentence, but you > have not clarified the evidence or reasoning for this (dubious) > assertion. > > This is a symptom of the larger problem with your behavior on these > NGs, by the way. It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully. Sorry if my choice bothers you. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Ernst Primer wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > > > > > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, or write. > > > > > > Not everything. > > > > In everything. > > That would imply you've *never* had a moment (of "weakness" perhaps) > where the God of your understanding has not guided you in everything > you say, do, or write. The LORD does not have moments of weakness. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > Ernst Primer wrote: > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > > > > > > > Science and the scientific method are two different things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Everything I've read, learned, and been taught > > > > > > disagrees with you. > > > > > > > > > > I am not able to write more plainly. > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > You're simply not trying hard enough. > > > > > > The ability to comprehend what is written comes from GOD and will not > > > come from me regardless of my efforts. > > > > <snip> > > > > Instead of invoking God to duck out of another opportunity to engage > > in intellectually honest discourse, why don't you simply explain the > > evidentiary basis for your assertion "science and the scientific method > > are two different things." > > > > To clarify to you, I comprehend the above quoted sentence, but you > > have not clarified the evidence or reasoning for this (dubious) > > assertion. > > > > This is a symptom of the larger problem with your behavior on these > > NGs, by the way. > > It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully. <snip> Dr. Andrew, I'm asking you to explain a point you made. If this is how you react to similar requests from others, then that would explain why so many are simply not going to take you up on your offer of on-line "chat" (and I use the term loosely here). If this is |
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> <snip> > > Andy: Instead of invoking God to duck out of another opportunity to > engage > in intellectually honest discourse, GOD is the truth which should be the goal of any intellectually honest discourse. > why don't you simply explain the > evidentiary basis for your assertion "science and the scientific method > are two different things." Those who have reading comprehension do not need evidence to comprehend the differences in the meanings of different words. > To clarify to you, I actually comprehended the above quoted > sentence, Then you do not need an explanation of it. > but you > have not clarified the evidence or reasoning for this (dubious) > assertion, which is what I was asking you when I asked you to > "clarify." Comprehension requires no clarification. > If you insist in ducking out, I would submit this is a symptom of > the larger problem with your behavior on these NGs. Problems do not have symptoms. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here next week: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the Lord has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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