"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
...
> I don't think this concept is new but it's the first time I've seen a pub
> in a nursing home. I've seen pubs in assisted living high rises and in
> apartment buildings but never a nursing home.
>
> Michael

Guinness unfiltered and unpasturized in the bottle is a well tried and true
tonic for the elderly and sick. Guinness used to be prescribed by physicians
in Ireland and England as a regular tonic. Unfortunately the unfiltered and
unpasturized stout is not available outside Ireland. It is high in
nutrients. The pub in the UK and Ireland has a much more important social
impact than any analog in the US. Especially in Ireland where the village
(or local) pub(s) is the center of local life from child care to senior
care. It makes great sense and compassion to incorporate this bit of "real"
life into the confines of a care facility.

To Pandora, I once spent time in a local Catholic hospital. They too served
me wine with my meals. It was very appreciated!

Charlie

"Charles Gifford" wrote in message >
>
> Guinness unfiltered and unpasturized in the bottle is a well tried and
> true
> tonic for the elderly and sick. Guinness used to be prescribed by
> physicians
> in Ireland and England as a regular tonic. Unfortunately the unfiltered
> and
> unpasturized stout is not available outside Ireland. It is high in
> nutrients. The pub in the UK and Ireland has a much more important social
> impact than any analog in the US. Especially in Ireland where the village
> (or local) pub(s) is the center of local life from child care to senior
> care. It makes great sense and compassion to incorporate this bit of
> "real"
> life into the confines of a care facility.
>
> To Pandora, I once spent time in a local Catholic hospital. They too
> served
> me wine with my meals. It was very appreciated!
>
> Charlie

Did you see my post, Charlie, about Guinness in the hospital? Even as a
child, it seemed to make sense to me. Your comment about pub life is so
true - my parents were teetotallers but happily took a guest to a pub if
they felt he would enjoy it.

As Charlie says, they are such social places and I just can't think of their
counterpart in the US. Especially in the countryside, If you're a stranger
in town, the pub is the place to head!

Dora

"Charles Gifford" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I don't think this concept is new but it's the first time I've seen a pub
>> in a nursing home. I've seen pubs in assisted living high rises and in
>> apartment buildings but never a nursing home.
>>
>> Michael
>
> Guinness unfiltered and unpasturized in the bottle is a well tried and
> true
> tonic for the elderly and sick. Guinness used to be prescribed by
> physicians
> in Ireland and England as a regular tonic. Unfortunately the unfiltered
> and
> unpasturized stout is not available outside Ireland. It is high in
> nutrients. The pub in the UK and Ireland has a much more important social
> impact than any analog in the US. Especially in Ireland where the village
> (or local) pub(s) is the center of local life from child care to senior
> care. It makes great sense and compassion to incorporate this bit of
> "real"
> life into the confines of a care facility.
>
I've oft wondered the value of pubs being "...the center of local life from
child care to senior care." My only contact with a pub(s) was in England
many years ago, and a few 'take-off pubs' in the US where the main event was
drinking beer and throwing darts and a plowman's lunch.
The only other knowledge I have is seeing pubs as they are show on travel
shows or the film. I think it would be very distracting to family life to
think that instead of the kids spending time with their family at home,
doing homework, watching TV, sports, that they would leave the house to get
more social life. Is not home life/family life enough, along with probably
their social life in the church. Do they not have visitors or dinners at
their house, or is this in addition to the pub? Do they invite friends to
the pub for dinner? How often do they go to pubs? Do husbands settle
arguments by going to the pub, thus relieving tension? Do wives go with
sisters? Doesn't it get expensive to spend time in a pub ordering guiness
and poo-poo's (tee-hee). In films, a guy is always laid-off, but with money
still in his pocket to have a pint and smoking cigarettes. Lawsey me, I
just can't understand it. However, I feel that our seniors here in the
U.S. could really benefit from some pub-fun.
Dee Dee

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> IMO pubs do have a great social benefit. I've thought about this a bit.
> Dressels Pub was a great part of my life when I lived in the West End.
The
> Dressel family are cherished friends and the pub was originally thought up
> and created as a family watering hole. It is a Welsh pub. To make it
> short, the place became a public hit. Commercialism is quietly taking
over
> the pub, which I do not like.
>
> I digress, IMO pubs impart the social setting family members may feel more
> comfortable in. I say go for it.


Visiting the corner tap here in my nabe is more than just "going out", it
plays a big part in our social lives. Most of us are busy, have different
schedules, live in small -ish apartments, etc. and this precludes a lot of
in - home entertaining. You can drop by our "Cheers" and catch up on the
latest news, meet yer friends, network, even get legal advice from the cops
and attorneys and judges that hang out there...heck my place is still so
old - fashioned they'll let a good customer run a weekly tab. And if your
drink is the last dregs of liquor poured from the bottle that is considered
a "spider" and the drink is free. The owner will soon be bringing from
Wisconsin a boatload of venison jerky (her brother is a hunter) and we'll
nosh on that all winter (it's free, hey she's smart, it makes ya
thirstier!). We have cookouts and parties all the time, and there is always
a nice huge (free) spread for Thanksgiving and Christmas day for any
"orphans" that don't have a place to go..

[As Chicago in general becomes more gentrified these types of places are
disappearing...and Da Mayor has drastically cut down (like by half) the
number of likker licenses in the city...]

Chicago is an old blue - collar town and it was formerly a "bar on every
corner" type of place (other older industrial cities e.g. Boston, Baltimore,
St. Louis, NYC, etc. were the same). Neighborhood bars provided an
important social function - it was a place to go to get out of the house,
you could get a free lunch there, get your paycheck cashed, take the growler
for a beer run, and the like. If you were in dire straits they'd pass the
hat around for you (we have had fund raisers for folks in our place even in
this modern age). In the olden daze working people had primarily two
centers of social life, their church and the corner bar...

Nobody much goes to church anymore but a local bar often can still play an
important part in the social fabric of a community...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
>
>> IMO pubs do have a great social benefit. I've thought about this a
>> bit. Dressels Pub was a great part of my life when I lived in the
>> West End. The Dressel family are cherished friends and the pub was
>> originally thought up and created as a family watering hole. It is a
>> Welsh pub. To make it short, the place became a public hit.
>> Commercialism is quietly taking over the pub, which I do not like.
>>
>> I digress, IMO pubs impart the social setting family members may
>> feel more comfortable in. I say go for it.
>
>
> Visiting the corner tap here in my nabe is more than just "going
> out", it plays a big part in our social lives. Most of us are busy,
> have different schedules, live in small -ish apartments, etc. and
> this precludes a lot of in - home entertaining. You can drop by our
> "Cheers" and catch up on the latest news, meet yer friends, network,
> even get legal advice from the cops and attorneys and judges that
> hang out there...heck my place is still so old - fashioned they'll
> let a good customer run a weekly tab.

Dee Dee is talking about people with kids, which I suppose in Ireland
doesn't matter a whit (I've read a bit about those country pubs - it's a
gathering place, not a replacement for family "values").

I used to live in a neighborhood such as yours, Greg. We were all adults,
most of us with no kids. We'd meet and catch up on each others' lives,
work, watch the news, laugh, rant, vent. If the owner knew you to be a
regular, yep, you could run a tab.

It was a fairly insular group. Everyone knew everyone. Occasionally a
stranger (not that they were unwelcome) would wander in and want to change
the TV channel. This was met with a resounding, "Are you nuts?! It's time
for Jeopardy!" Yep, at 4:00 Jeopardy would come on television and you'd
find most everyone sitting around the bar yelling, "What is...?" if they new
the question to the answer. We even had a Norm (like Cheers) and when he'd
walk in the door everyone would yell "Norm!" It was a fun place to unwind.
There was every type of person from executives (yep, attorneys and bankers)
to blue-collar workers. We all knew each other. They served a good bowl of
chili and made great burgers, too.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message >>
>
> Dee Dee is talking about people with kids, which I suppose in Ireland
> doesn't matter a whit (I've read a bit about those country pubs - it's a
> gathering place, not a replacement for family "values").
> >
> Jill

I don't know how it is now in English pubs. What I do remember was that
small kids
weren't allowed in (I don't know the age span). I used to think it was very
sad to see small kids outside the pub, idling around, while parents were
inside enjoying their pint or having a sing-song. I hope that has stopped.

Ophelia - can you shed any light?

Dora

"limey" > wrote

> I don't know how it is now in English pubs. What I do remember was that
> small kids
> weren't allowed in (I don't know the age span). I used to think it was
> very sad to see small kids outside the pub, idling around, while parents
> were inside enjoying their pint or having a sing-song. I hope that has
> stopped.

Heh, when I was a kid, my father would go into the NCO club and have a
few beers, we'd hang out outside watching the Verrazano Bridge being
built, or go run around the track, or just hang out munching on cheese
doodles
or something. I had fun.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>
> "limey" > wrote
>
>> I don't know how it is now in English pubs. What I do remember was that
>> small kids
>> weren't allowed in (I don't know the age span). I used to think it was
>> very sad to see small kids outside the pub, idling around, while parents
>> were inside enjoying their pint or having a sing-song. I hope that has
>> stopped.
>
> Heh, when I was a kid, my father would go into the NCO club and have a
> few beers, we'd hang out outside watching the Verrazano Bridge being
> built, or go run around the track, or just hang out munching on cheese
> doodles
> or something. I had fun.
>
> nancy
When I was 4, (around 1939) I can remember my (country) folks taking me in
a beer joint in WV. They sat me right up on the beer stool -- oops, I meant
bar stool -- there was a one-harm bandit nailed to the wall with
bright-colored lemons and oranges and I asked what it was. I don't recall
what the answer was, but no one was playing it.

DH & I as children of an older adult, we take f-i-l to Fox Woods Casino and
drop him off FOR HOURS. Then we go do things like this, go to the shore and
bother fishermen.
http://tinypic.com/fuaoad.jpg
Those bar days are over for us. But yes, they were fun.
Dee Dee

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>
> "limey" > wrote
>
>> I don't know how it is now in English pubs. What I do remember was that
>> small kids
>> weren't allowed in (I don't know the age span). I used to think it was
>> very sad to see small kids outside the pub, idling around, while parents
>> were inside enjoying their pint or having a sing-song. I hope that has
>> stopped.
>
> Heh, when I was a kid, my father would go into the NCO club and have a
> few beers, we'd hang out outside watching the Verrazano Bridge being
> built, or go run around the track, or just hang out munching on cheese
> doodles
> or something. I had fun.
>
> nancy

I see where you're coming from, but whenever I saw those kids it was dark.
Hard to run around those London streets at that time of night .;-(

Dora

"limey" > wrote in message
...
>
> I don't know how it is now in English pubs. What I do remember was that
> small kids
> weren't allowed in (I don't know the age span).

It depends on the pub and where it is located. In Ireland, if the pub is
located where children live, there will be children present. In small
villages (especially in the Irish speaking areas) the local pub acts as a
kind of child daycare center. Everyone in the pub knows the children and the
children know them. People watch out for them.

In England, it is similar, to a lesser extent, in the countryside. In city
pubs children are not present usually, though I have seen it happen. But in
the country it is not unusual. Actually, I don't really like children so am
sensitive to their presence. Countryside pubs (especially in Ireland) are
very different than city pubs or American bars. There is little in the way
of roudiness, danger or drunks. Children seldom are present at night or in
the evening.

> I used to think it was very
> sad to see small kids outside the pub, idling around, while parents were
> inside enjoying their pint or having a sing-song. I hope that has
stopped.

That would be sad. I've never seen it, or perhaps, haven't noticed it. Even
my favorite BrewPub here in Sandy Eggo has children in it. Nasty noisy
things.

Charlie

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> "jmcquown" > looking for trouble wrote in
> :
>
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> >>
> >>> IMO pubs do have a great social benefit. I've thought about this a
> >>> bit. Dressels Pub was a great part of my life when I lived in the
> >>> West End. The Dressel family are cherished friends and the pub was
> >>> originally thought up and created as a family watering hole. It is a
> >>> Welsh pub. To make it short, the place became a public hit.
> >>> Commercialism is quietly taking over the pub, which I do not like.
> >>>
> >>> I digress, IMO pubs impart the social setting family members may
> >>> feel more comfortable in. I say go for it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Visiting the corner tap here in my nabe is more than just "going
> >> out", it plays a big part in our social lives. Most of us are busy,
> >> have different schedules, live in small -ish apartments, etc. and
> >> this precludes a lot of in - home entertaining. You can drop by our
> >> "Cheers" and catch up on the latest news, meet yer friends, network,
> >> even get legal advice from the cops and attorneys and judges that
> >> hang out there...heck my place is still so old - fashioned they'll
> >> let a good customer run a weekly tab.
> >
> > Dee Dee is talking about people with kids, which I suppose in Ireland
> > doesn't matter a whit (I've read a bit about those country pubs - it's
> > a gathering place, not a replacement for family "values").
> >
> > I used to live in a neighborhood such as yours, Greg. We were all
> > adults, most of us with no kids. We'd meet and catch up on each
> > others' lives, work, watch the news, laugh, rant, vent. If the owner
> > knew you to be a regular, yep, you could run a tab.
> >
> > It was a fairly insular group. Everyone knew everyone. Occasionally
> > a stranger (not that they were unwelcome) would wander in and want to
> > change the TV channel. This was met with a resounding, "Are you
> > nuts?! It's time for Jeopardy!" Yep, at 4:00 Jeopardy would come on
> > television and you'd find most everyone sitting around the bar
> > yelling, "What is...?" if they new the question to the answer. We
> > even had a Norm (like Cheers) and when he'd walk in the door everyone
> > would yell "Norm!" It was a fun place to unwind. There was every type
> > of person from executives (yep, attorneys and bankers) to blue-collar
> > workers. We all knew each other. They served a good bowl of chili
> > and made great burgers, too.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> >
> >
>
> Greg? So I'm Greg now!!! LOVED your post anyway.



Heehee...BEWARE...be VERY VERY AFRAAAAAID...!!!

--
Best
Greg