Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article >:
>
> wrote:
>
> >> But:
> >> Watch what you eat today!
>
> >Wiser to watch how much you are eating.
>
> >> Start with the salad !
>
> >Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
>
> Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
> types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
> (particularly barley).

You just described salad :-)

> Have you ever even been on a farm?

Yes.

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------------------------------------------------------

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Don Kirkman wrote:
> >
> > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> > article >:
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> But:
> > >> Watch what you eat today!
> >
> > >Wiser to watch how much you are eating.
> >
> > >> Start with the salad !
> >
> > >Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
> >
> > Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
> > types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
> > (particularly barley).
>
> You just described salad :-)
>
> > Have you ever even been on a farm?
>
> Yes.
>
> Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
> like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
> this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
>
> For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
> the LORD has reshaped me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
>
> In Christ's love always,
>
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Don Kirkman wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> >>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>But:
> >>>>Watch what you eat today!
> >>
> >>>Wiser to watch how much you are eating.
> >>
> >>>>Start with the salad !
> >>
> >>>Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
>
> <LOL> Hilarious.

And so you despair.

> Elephants grow larger still. But those creatures eat
> pounds and pounds of plant material and convert it very inefficiently to
> flesh. They spend virtually all their waking time eating.

As do you apparently :-)

> They produce
> nearly as much pure shit as Chung's postings. But theirs at least has a
> useful purpose.

In your opinion.

> What a profoundly absurd analogy - "cows eat salad..."

It serves well the purpose of illustrating the absurdity of folks trying
to lose weight by watching **what** they are eating.

> >>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
> >>types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
> >>(particularly barley).
> >
> > You just described salad :-)
>
> Sure. Everybody puts hay and pasture grasses in their salads. Lots of
> alfalfa. And don't forget barley. Many salads contain...

.... raw green plant matter that is very similar to what a cow normally
subsists on and indeed could eat if were readily available.

> Moronic game-player.

Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

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William Wagner wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
> > Pastorio
>
> Pastorio FYI Katrina Images
>
> http://operationeden.blogspot.com/
>
> Not the wonderful photo story that you told me about but human.

There is much sadness without the LORD.

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Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article >:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> article >:
>
> >> >> >Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
>
> >> >> Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
> >> >> types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
> >> >> (particularly barley).
>
> >> >You just described salad :-)
>
> >> So how often do you eat a salad of Sudan grass, timothy or alfalfa hay,
> >> rolled barley, and meadow grasses, and maybe some dried shredded sugar
> >> beet pulp or cottonseed cake?
>
> >When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
> >to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
>
> Yes, and cows don't eat lettuce at all.

They do eat romaine lettuce if you provide it.

> Nor do you make your main diet
> alfalfa, grasses, or hay. You add alfalfa *sprouts*, which cows do not
> eat, and I doubt you add raw barley or hay, which cows eat regularly.

Cows can eat cooked barley.

> No matter how much you rename things to match your theories, salad and
> fodder remain two separate things.

No matter how you try to refute it, there is nothing wrong with calling
what cows eat "salad" for purposes of enlightening folks that for losing
weight it is not what we eat but how much we eat that matters. The cows
aren't bothered by it, so why should you?

> You would not survive on a cow's
> diet since your stomach cannot process the cellulose--unless you have a
> four-chambered stomach like cattle do.

Actually, that would depend on the actual composition of the diet.
Cellulose is fiber and though indigestible is not toxic.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> William Wagner wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>
>>>Pastorio
>>
>>Pastorio FYI Katrina Images
>>
>>http://operationeden.blogspot.com/
>>
>>Not the wonderful photo story that you told me about but human.
>
> There is much sadness without the LORD.

And those literally millions of people who were devastated by Katrina
and Rita should all be perky and cheerful, if homeless and unemployed.

Brilliant. Shows the caring side of The Master of Lies - Chung.

Pastorio

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> Don Kirkman wrote:
>
>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>>article >:
>>
>>
>>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>
>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>>>>article >:
>>
>>>>>>>Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
>>
>>>>>>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
>>>>>>types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
>>>>>>(particularly barley).
>>
>>>>>You just described salad :-)
>>
>>>>So how often do you eat a salad of Sudan grass, timothy or alfalfa hay,
>>>>rolled barley, and meadow grasses, and maybe some dried shredded sugar
>>>>beet pulp or cottonseed cake?
>>
>>>When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
>>>to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
>>

Herbs are _not_ grasses, at least the herbs usually eaten by humans are
quite unlike grass from a nutritional point of view (and from a
botanical point of view as well).

>>Yes, and cows don't eat lettuce at all.
>
>
> They do eat romaine lettuce if you provide it.
>

Cows also eat meal made from dead cows if you provide it. This is how
BSE became a problem. However this does not proof that carcass meal is
in any way comparable to the cow's usual diet, namely grass and hay.
What cows might or might not eat if forced to do so has nothing to do
with their natural diet.

>
>>Nor do you make your main diet
>>alfalfa, grasses, or hay. You add alfalfa *sprouts*, which cows do not
>>eat, and I doubt you add raw barley or hay, which cows eat regularly.
>
>
> Cows can eat cooked barley.
>

See above.

>
>>No matter how much you rename things to match your theories, salad and
>>fodder remain two separate things.
>
>
> No matter how you try to refute it, there is nothing wrong with calling
> what cows eat "salad" for purposes of enlightening folks that for losing
> weight it is not what we eat but how much we eat that matters. The cows
> aren't bothered by it, so why should you?
>

As shown above, cows eat next to anything if forced to. This does in no
way mean that all theses things are all that similar.

Btw., cows are proof that is _does_ matter what you eat. It is not
without reason that today many cows are fed food they wouldn't eat as
wild animals like carcass meal, fish meal or corn, because they gain
weight faster and give more milk on such an unnatural diet.

>
>>You would not survive on a cow's
>>diet since your stomach cannot process the cellulose--unless you have a
>>four-chambered stomach like cattle do.
>
>
> Actually, that would depend on the actual composition of the diet.
> Cellulose is fiber and though indigestible is not toxic.

Don Kirkman has already provided evidence that grass is usually regarded
as unfit for human food.

It is not without reason that humans don't usually eat grass although it
is available in large quantities in most parts. By the way, the
cellulose is not the only obstacle for humans trying to eat grass. Grass
also contains large quantities of silicate. Eating larger aomunts of
grass will soon enable your dentist to buy a new car (that is if you
don't die from starvation or intestinal obstruction first). Animals
subsisting on grass need teeth adapted to this kind of food and even
then the tearing down of the teeth is considerable and sometimes the
time until the teeth are gone is what limits the animals life (this can
happen to elephants, although they have several really large molars that
come into service successivly when the ones previously used are gone).
Cows solve this problem by ruminating.


Thorsten

Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> > Don Kirkman wrote:
> >
> >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >>article >:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Don Kirkman wrote:
> >>
> >>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >>>>article >:
> >>
> >>>>>>>Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
> >>
> >>>>>>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
> >>>>>>types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
> >>>>>>(particularly barley).
> >>
> >>>>>You just described salad :-)
> >>
> >>>>So how often do you eat a salad of Sudan grass, timothy or alfalfa hay,
> >>>>rolled barley, and meadow grasses, and maybe some dried shredded sugar
> >>>>beet pulp or cottonseed cake?
> >>
> >>>When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
> >>>to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
> >>
>
> Herbs are _not_ grasses, at least the herbs usually eaten by humans are
> quite unlike grass from a nutritional point of view (and from a
> botanical point of view as well).
>
> >>Yes, and cows don't eat lettuce at all.
> >
> >
> > They do eat romaine lettuce if you provide it.
> >
>
> Cows also eat meal made from dead cows if you provide it. This is how
> BSE became a problem. However this does not proof that carcass meal is
> in any way comparable to the cow's usual diet, namely grass and hay.
> What cows might or might not eat if forced to do so has nothing to do
> with their natural diet.
>
> >
> >>Nor do you make your main diet
> >>alfalfa, grasses, or hay. You add alfalfa *sprouts*, which cows do not
> >>eat, and I doubt you add raw barley or hay, which cows eat regularly.
> >
> >
> > Cows can eat cooked barley.
> >
>
> See above.
>
> >
> >>No matter how much you rename things to match your theories, salad and
> >>fodder remain two separate things.
> >
> >
> > No matter how you try to refute it, there is nothing wrong with calling
> > what cows eat "salad" for purposes of enlightening folks that for losing
> > weight it is not what we eat but how much we eat that matters. The cows
> > aren't bothered by it, so why should you?
> >
>
> As shown above, cows eat next to anything if forced to. This does in no
> way mean that all theses things are all that similar.
>
> Btw., cows are proof that is _does_ matter what you eat. It is not
> without reason that today many cows are fed food they wouldn't eat as
> wild animals like carcass meal, fish meal or corn, because they gain
> weight faster and give more milk on such an unnatural diet.
>
> >
> >>You would not survive on a cow's
> >>diet since your stomach cannot process the cellulose--unless you have a
> >>four-chambered stomach like cattle do.
> >
> >
> > Actually, that would depend on the actual composition of the diet.
> > Cellulose is fiber and though indigestible is not toxic.
>
> Don Kirkman has already provided evidence that grass is usually regarded
> as unfit for human food.
>
> It is not without reason that humans don't usually eat grass although it
> is available in large quantities in most parts. By the way, the
> cellulose is not the only obstacle for humans trying to eat grass. Grass
> also contains large quantities of silicate. Eating larger aomunts of
> grass will soon enable your dentist to buy a new car (that is if you
> don't die from starvation or intestinal obstruction first). Animals
> subsisting on grass need teeth adapted to this kind of food and even
> then the tearing down of the teeth is considerable and sometimes the
> time until the teeth are gone is what limits the animals life (this can
> happen to elephants, although they have several really large molars that
> come into service successivly when the ones previously used are gone).
> Cows solve this problem by ruminating.

"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
ends of the earth."

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In Christ's love always,

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"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Don Kirkman wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>
> > When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
> > to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
> >
> >>Is that salad recipe available in the
> >>wonderful restaurant you refuse to name?
> >
> > The LORD Almighty guides me to answer you with the following:
> > "The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none, but knowledge comes easily to
> > the discerning."
>
> Non sequitur.

For the non-discerning.

> So, no restaurant name, huh...? Still.

Not for the non-discerning.

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"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > William Wagner wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> >> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Pastorio
> >>
> >>Pastorio FYI Katrina Images
> >>
> >>http://operationeden.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>Not the wonderful photo story that you told me about but human.
> >
> > There is much sadness without the LORD.
>
> And those literally millions of people who were devastated by Katrina
> and Rita should all be perky and cheerful, if homeless and unemployed.

Those with the LORD are comforted by Him.

> Brilliant.

The truth.

> Shows the caring side of The Master of Lies

Your master does not care.

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Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article >:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> article >:
>
> >> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> >> article >:
>
> >> >> >You just described salad :-)
>
> >> >> So how often do you eat a salad of Sudan grass, timothy or alfalfa hay,
> >> >> rolled barley, and meadow grasses, and maybe some dried shredded sugar
> >> >> beet pulp or cottonseed cake?
>
> >> >When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
> >> >to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
>
> >> Yes, and cows don't eat lettuce at all.
>
> >They do eat romaine lettuce if you provide it.
>
> And you would pay fifty cents or a dollar a bundle for fifty pounds of
> romaine for any cows you might own (dozens or hundreds for dairy
> farmers)? You're daft!
>
> >> Nor do you make your main diet
> >> alfalfa, grasses, or hay. You add alfalfa *sprouts*, which cows do not
> >> eat, and I doubt you add raw barley or hay, which cows eat regularly.
>
> >Cows can eat cooked barley.
>
> And you'd boil up forty or fifty pounds of rolled barley for your herd
> of ten or twelve cows which can eat raw rolled barley perfectly well
> (and actually would prefer it)? I'm beginning to think you uttered
> another untruth when you wrote that you had been on a farm. :-) And
> "can eat" != "will eat."
>
> >No matter how you try to refute it, there is nothing wrong with calling
> >what cows eat "salad" for purposes of enlightening folks that for losing
> >weight it is not what we eat but how much we eat that matters. The cows
> >aren't bothered by it, so why should you?
>
> The cows aren't reading your ignorant drivel. You can't enlighten folks
> by feeding them false information.
>
> >> You would not survive on a cow's
> >> diet since your stomach cannot process the cellulose--unless you have a
> >> four-chambered stomach like cattle do.
>
> >Actually, that would depend on the actual composition of the diet.
> >Cellulose is fiber and though indigestible is not toxic.
>
> I specified the actual composition of the diet: "a cow's diet." Thank
> you for agreeing with me that your stomach cannot process the cellulose.
> The natural diet of a cow is very high cellulose, and would not leave
> room for enough other nutrients for a human.
>
> In truth cellulose, a carbohydrate, is the foundation of a ruminant's
> natural diet. "By definition, herbivores are able to digest cellulose
> perfectly, making them the only domestic animals that can eat grass.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
> Without herbivores, grass would have no other use. By feeding cereals to
> herbivores, we have substituted a product that can be consumed by
> ruminants only (grass) with a product that can be consumed by man or
> other animals (maize)."
> http://europa.eu.int/comm/agricultur..._en/report.htm
>
> Sort of a two-fer there; cows naturally eat and digest cellulose
> perfectly, and no other domestic animals (including humans) can eat
> grass. :-)
>
> You seem to be equally uninformed on a wide variety of topics. :-)

"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
ends of the earth."

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"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don Kirkman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> But: Watch what you eat today!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Wiser to watch how much you are eating.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Start with the salad !
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> <LOL> Hilarious.
> >
> > And so you despair.
>
> Poor Chung wants so desperately that communicating in writing that which
> has actually happened - derisive laughter - is somehow a sign of
> despair. His Truth Discernment Ray Gun is just steaming from all that
> overtime work of creating his rosy "truth" from the shards of his failed
> understanding. Guy can't actually figure out all that much about how the
> world works, so he claims these supernatural powers and whatever
> dementia strikes him is magically transformed into a divine revelation.
>
> <LOL>

Your despair runs deep.

> >> Elephants grow larger still. But those creatures eat pounds and
> >> pounds of plant material and convert it very inefficiently to
> >> flesh. They spend virtually all their waking time eating.
> >
> > As do you apparently :-)
>
> Moron.

Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

> Conclusion not based on any facts you can possibly have. Merely
> another swipe for its own sake.

"Wisdom reposes in the heart of the discerning and even among fools she
lets herself be known."

> >> They produce nearly as much pure shit as Chung's postings. But
> >> theirs at least has a useful purpose.
> >
> > In your opinion.
>
> Jayzus, could you post the obvious more often, please?

Exodus 20:7

> Maybe you could
> identify all my opinions as, well, my opinions. And maybe you could
> explain your opinions as, well, your opinions.

"A man of knowledge uses words with restraint, and a man of
understanding is even-tempered."

> >> What a profoundly absurd analogy - "cows eat salad..."
> >
> > It serves well the purpose of illustrating the absurdity of folks
> > trying to lose weight by watching **what** they are eating.
>
> It serves well to demonstrate how absolutely dismissable your
> ill-conceived, erroneously explained and insanely defended diet is.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

> Of
> all the authoritative sources on earth that talk about dieting for
> weight loss and control, not one endorses the notion of merely limiting
> quantity. Not one. None.

Among those who are not limiting quantity, none are successful at
achieving permanent weight loss.

> Only crank Chung does.

.... along with more than 625,550 others over more than 5 years.

> >>>> Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses,
> >>>> various types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and
> >>>> cereals, (particularly barley).
> >>>
> >>> You just described salad :-)
> >>
> >> Sure. Everybody puts hay and pasture grasses in their salads. Lots
> >> of alfalfa. And don't forget barley. Many salads contain...
> >
> > ... raw green plant matter that is very similar to what a cow
> > normally subsists on and indeed could eat if were readily available.
> >
> Right.

Yes.

> But humans couldn't.

Plenty of humans are subsisting on just salads.

> And that was the point. The fact of a
> drastically different digestive system and nutritional requirements seem
> to have escaped your close-minded notice.

Actually, more similar than different.

> Parallels between other living
> creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.

Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the application of
animals studies to humans.

> No
> other organisms create foods from other raw materials as we do, cook
> them, or ritualize the eating of them.

Actually, plants are better at creating foods from the rawest of
materials than we are.

> >> Moronic game-player.
> >
> > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
>
> The truth hurts, huh, faker-Chung?

"The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool
gushes folly."

> > Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other
> > things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those
> > following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
>
> I see you still have those falsely labelled archived Usenet posts as
> chat samples.

False witness.

> Why must you be so deceptive?

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

> Why can't you just label
> them truthfully?

Actually, I have not labelled achived USENET posts as chat samples.

> It's a determinedly sad thing when the liars can't even see that they're
> lying. When they try to justify it by spinning circuitous justifications
> for their deceits. Sad...
>
> Like Chung is sad...

"The faithless will be fully repaid for their ways, and the good man
rewarded for his."

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Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>
>>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>>>>article >:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>>>>>>article >:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
>>>>>>>>types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
>>>>>>>>(particularly barley).
>>>>
>>>>>>>You just described salad :-)
>>>>
>>>>>>So how often do you eat a salad of Sudan grass, timothy or alfalfa hay,
>>>>>>rolled barley, and meadow grasses, and maybe some dried shredded sugar
>>>>>>beet pulp or cottonseed cake?
>>>>
>>>>>When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
>>>>>to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
>>>>
>>Herbs are _not_ grasses, at least the herbs usually eaten by humans are
>>quite unlike grass from a nutritional point of view (and from a
>>botanical point of view as well).
>>

Glad you don't object.

>>
>>>>Yes, and cows don't eat lettuce at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>They do eat romaine lettuce if you provide it.
>>>
>>
>>Cows also eat meal made from dead cows if you provide it. This is how
>>BSE became a problem. However this does not proof that carcass meal is
>>in any way comparable to the cow's usual diet, namely grass and hay.
>>What cows might or might not eat if forced to do so has nothing to do
>>with their natural diet.
>>

Glad you don't object.

>>
>>>>Nor do you make your main diet
>>>>alfalfa, grasses, or hay. You add alfalfa *sprouts*, which cows do not
>>>>eat, and I doubt you add raw barley or hay, which cows eat regularly.
>>>
>>>
>>>Cows can eat cooked barley.
>>>
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>
>>>>No matter how much you rename things to match your theories, salad and
>>>>fodder remain two separate things.
>>>
>>>
>>>No matter how you try to refute it, there is nothing wrong with calling
>>>what cows eat "salad" for purposes of enlightening folks that for losing
>>>weight it is not what we eat but how much we eat that matters. The cows
>>>aren't bothered by it, so why should you?
>>>
>>
>>As shown above, cows eat next to anything if forced to. This does in no
>>way mean that all theses things are all that similar.
>>
>>Btw., cows are proof that is _does_ matter what you eat. It is not
>>without reason that today many cows are fed food they wouldn't eat as
>>wild animals like carcass meal, fish meal or corn, because they gain
>>weight faster and give more milk on such an unnatural diet.
>>

Glad you don't object. Good thing you finally seem to have abandonded
your notion that what people or cows eat is unimportant.

>>
>>>>You would not survive on a cow's
>>>>diet since your stomach cannot process the cellulose--unless you have a
>>>>four-chambered stomach like cattle do.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, that would depend on the actual composition of the diet.
>>>Cellulose is fiber and though indigestible is not toxic.
>>
>>Don Kirkman has already provided evidence that grass is usually regarded
>>as unfit for human food.
>>
>>It is not without reason that humans don't usually eat grass although it
>>is available in large quantities in most parts. By the way, the
>>cellulose is not the only obstacle for humans trying to eat grass. Grass
>>also contains large quantities of silicate. Eating larger aomunts of
>>grass will soon enable your dentist to buy a new car (that is if you
>>don't die from starvation or intestinal obstruction first). Animals
>>subsisting on grass need teeth adapted to this kind of food and even
>>then the tearing down of the teeth is considerable and sometimes the
>>time until the teeth are gone is what limits the animals life (this can
>>happen to elephants, although they have several really large molars that
>>come into service successivly when the ones previously used are gone).
>>Cows solve this problem by ruminating.
>

Glad you don't object.

>
> "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
> ends of the earth."
>

It's always wise to keep wisdom in view. This is why I continue to write
truthfully.

Thorsten

Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

<snip>

> > "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
> > ends of the earth."
> >
>
> It's always wise to keep wisdom in view. This is why I continue to write
> truthfully.

That is not what I discern.

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Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
>>>ends of the earth."
>>>
>>
>>It's always wise to keep wisdom in view. This is why I continue to write
>>truthfully.
>
>
> That is not what I discern.
>

Sorry that my writing truthfully bothers you.


Thorsten

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
[...]
>>>>What a profoundly absurd analogy - "cows eat salad..."
>>>
>>>It serves well the purpose of illustrating the absurdity of folks
>>>trying to lose weight by watching **what** they are eating.
>>
>>It serves well to demonstrate how absolutely dismissable your
>>ill-conceived, erroneously explained and insanely defended diet is.
>
>
> The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
>
>>Of
>>all the authoritative sources on earth that talk about dieting for
>>weight loss and control, not one endorses the notion of merely limiting
>>quantity. Not one. None.
>
>
> Among those who are not limiting quantity, none are successful at
> achieving permanent weight loss.
>

This must be true, because no person can possibly eat unlimited aomunts
of anything.

>
>>Only crank Chung does.
>
>
> ... along with more than 625,550 others over more than 5 years.
>

I have read that many of those poor people experienced severe side
effects like hearing voices demanding violent deeds. Many ended up
killing their brothers and friends. (Exodus 32)

Seems like this "approach" is impairing mental health.

>
>>>>>>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses,
>>>>>>various types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and
>>>>>>cereals, (particularly barley).
>>>>>
>>>>>You just described salad :-)
>>>>
>>>>Sure. Everybody puts hay and pasture grasses in their salads. Lots
>>>>of alfalfa. And don't forget barley. Many salads contain...
>>>
>>>... raw green plant matter that is very similar to what a cow
>>>normally subsists on and indeed could eat if were readily available.
>>>

Cows don't subsist on salad. While they can eat it, I doubt it would
very healthy because salad is quite different from grass. I suspect
severe digestive problems for cows trying to subsist on salad.

>>
>>Right.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>But humans couldn't.
>
>
> Plenty of humans are subsisting on just salads.
>

No, they don't. Even vegans eat more than just salads.

>
>>And that was the point. The fact of a
>>drastically different digestive system and nutritional requirements seem
>>to have escaped your close-minded notice.
>
>
> Actually, more similar than different.
>

Similar if you compare it to the digestive system of a sponge. But as
far as mammals go, the digestive systems of humans and cows couldn't be
much more different than they are.

>
>>Parallels between other living
>>creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.
>
>
> Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the application of
> animals studies to humans.
>

Then you should take notice of the studies showing that fructose (part
of table sugar) causes insulin resistance and diabetes in rats. And rats
are a much better model of humans than cows are when it comes to
nutrition, because like humans they are omnivores. Seems like it is
quite important what one eats, after all.

[...]

Thorsten

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

<snip>

> >>So, no restaurant name, huh...? Still.
> >
> > Not for the non-discerning.
>
> Another non sequitur. Looks like no restaurant name for anybody,
> discerning or not.
>
> And... still no restaurant name. The refusal to name the restaurant that
> would benefit so many shows how fraudulent is the Master of Lies -
> Chung. Obvious conclusion: there is no such restaurant.

"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
ends of the earth."

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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Andrew
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Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:

<snip>

> >>Parallels between other living
> >>creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.
> >
> >> > Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the application of
> > animals studies to humans.
>
> Then you should take notice of the studies showing that fructose (part
> of table sugar) causes insulin resistance and diabetes in rats. And rats
> are a much better model of humans than cows are when it comes to
> nutrition, because like humans they are omnivores. Seems like it is
> quite important what one eats, after all.

"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
ends of the earth."

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
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In Christ's love always,

Andrew
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Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> > Thorsten Schier wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
> >>>ends of the earth."
> >>>
> >>
> >>It's always wise to keep wisdom in view. This is why I continue to write
> >>truthfully.
> >
> > That is not what I discern.
> >
> Sorry that my writing truthfully bothers you.

As if the seeing could be bothered by the stumbling of the blind.

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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:56:45 +0100, Thorsten Schier
> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:


you might want to post all follow ups to the kook newsgroup
sci.med.cardiology where chung is originally cross posting from and
where all such quackery, trolling and religious nuttery is actually on
topic.


>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>[...]
>>>>>What a profoundly absurd analogy - "cows eat salad..."
>>>>
>>>>It serves well the purpose of illustrating the absurdity of folks
>>>>trying to lose weight by watching **what** they are eating.
>>>
>>>It serves well to demonstrate how absolutely dismissable your
>>>ill-conceived, erroneously explained and insanely defended diet is.
>>
>>
>> The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>>
>>>Of
>>>all the authoritative sources on earth that talk about dieting for
>>>weight loss and control, not one endorses the notion of merely limiting
>>>quantity. Not one. None.
>>
>>
>> Among those who are not limiting quantity, none are successful at
>> achieving permanent weight loss.
>>
>
>This must be true, because no person can possibly eat unlimited aomunts
>of anything.
>
>>
>>>Only crank Chung does.
>>
>>
>> ... along with more than 625,550 others over more than 5 years.
>>
>
>I have read that many of those poor people experienced severe side
>effects like hearing voices demanding violent deeds. Many ended up
>killing their brothers and friends. (Exodus 32)
>
>Seems like this "approach" is impairing mental health.
>
>>
>>>>>>>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses,
>>>>>>>various types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and
>>>>>>>cereals, (particularly barley).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You just described salad :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure. Everybody puts hay and pasture grasses in their salads. Lots
>>>>>of alfalfa. And don't forget barley. Many salads contain...
>>>>
>>>>... raw green plant matter that is very similar to what a cow
>>>>normally subsists on and indeed could eat if were readily available.
>>>>
>
>Cows don't subsist on salad. While they can eat it, I doubt it would
>very healthy because salad is quite different from grass. I suspect
>severe digestive problems for cows trying to subsist on salad.
>
>>>
>>>Right.
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>
>>>But humans couldn't.
>>
>>
>> Plenty of humans are subsisting on just salads.
>>
>
>No, they don't. Even vegans eat more than just salads.
>
>>
>>>And that was the point. The fact of a
>>>drastically different digestive system and nutritional requirements seem
>>>to have escaped your close-minded notice.
>>
>>
>> Actually, more similar than different.
>>
>
>Similar if you compare it to the digestive system of a sponge. But as
>far as mammals go, the digestive systems of humans and cows couldn't be
>much more different than they are.
>
>>
>>>Parallels between other living
>>>creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.
>>
>>
>> Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the application of
>> animals studies to humans.
>>
>
>Then you should take notice of the studies showing that fructose (part
>of table sugar) causes insulin resistance and diabetes in rats. And rats
>are a much better model of humans than cows are when it comes to
>nutrition, because like humans they are omnivores. Seems like it is
>quite important what one eats, after all.
>
>[...]
>
>Thorsten

The LORD continues to guide me in all that I say, do, and write. Sorry His
guidance continues to bother you, dear Bob.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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Andrew
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"Bob (this one)" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>So, no restaurant name, huh...? Still.
>>>>
>>>>Not for the non-discerning.
>>>
>>>Another non sequitur. Looks like no restaurant name for anybody,
>>>discerning or not.
>>>
>>>And... still no restaurant name. The refusal to name the restaurant that
>>>would benefit so many shows how fraudulent is the Master of Lies -
>>>Chung. Obvious conclusion: there is no such restaurant.
>>
>> "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
>> ends of the earth."
>
> And still... no name of the restaurant. And see how Chung's eyes wander.
>
> It takes no discernment at all to spot Chung's fakery. Again...
>
> Pastorio

The LORD continues to guide me in all that I say, do, or write. Sorry His
guidance bothers you, dear neighbor.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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Andrew
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"Blash" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Bob (this one) at
> wrote on 11/26/05 10:45 AM:
>
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>> Parallels between other living
>>>>>> creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the
>>>>>>> application of
>>>>>>> animals studies to humans.
>>>>
>>>> Then you should take notice of the studies showing that fructose (part
>>>> of table sugar) causes insulin resistance and diabetes in rats. And
>>>> rats
>>>> are a much better model of humans than cows are when it comes to
>>>> nutrition, because like humans they are omnivores. Seems like it is
>>>> quite important what one eats, after all.
>>>
>>>
>>> "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
>>> ends of the earth."
>>
>> <LOL> How utterly clownish has Chung become. His new ploy when
>> overwhelmed with fact, science and logic is to offer a smug little non
>> sequitur delicately enclosed in quotation marks.
>>
>> Poor fool he.
>>
>> Pastorio
>
> Why does anybody waste their time on him???
> Does anybody really care what an "omer" is???
> Does anybody really care where this fictitious restaurant is???
> Look up the definition of a TROLL......
> He has succeeded in getting lots of people to reply to his OT
> rantings.....
> He has shown himself to be a master at tap-dancing around questions......
> Right now, he's probably sitting in a corner somewhere giggling to himself
> because he won.....all these groups that he cross-posts to, lost......
>

The LORD continues to guide me in all that I say, do, and write. Sorry His
guidance bothers you, dear Bob.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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In Christ's love always,

Andrew
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"Bob (this one)" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>>
>>>>"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>Parallels between other living
>>>>>creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.
>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the application
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>animals studies to humans.
>>>
>>>Then you should take notice of the studies showing that fructose (part
>>>of table sugar) causes insulin resistance and diabetes in rats. And rats
>>>are a much better model of humans than cows are when it comes to
>>>nutrition, because like humans they are omnivores. Seems like it is
>>>quite important what one eats, after all.
>>
>>
>> "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
>> ends of the earth."
>
> <LOL> How utterly clownish has Chung become. His new ploy when overwhelmed
> with fact, science and logic is to offer a smug little non sequitur
> delicately enclosed in quotation marks.
>
> Poor fool he.
>
> Pastorio

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>
>>>"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>Parallels between other living
>>>>creatures and humans regarding diet are too weak to survive scrutiny.
>>>
>>>>>Actually, the parallels are strong enough to validate the application of
>>>
>>>animals studies to humans.
>>
>>Then you should take notice of the studies showing that fructose (part
>>of table sugar) causes insulin resistance and diabetes in rats. And rats
>>are a much better model of humans than cows are when it comes to
>>nutrition, because like humans they are omnivores. Seems like it is
>>quite important what one eats, after all.
>
>
> "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
> ends of the earth."
>

Or even beyond the ends of the earth. While the wise seeks wisdom out of
knowledge, the fool wanders in the reign of believe.

Thorsten

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>
>>>Thorsten Schier wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>"A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
>>>>>ends of the earth."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's always wise to keep wisdom in view. This is why I continue to write
>>>>truthfully.
>>>
>>>That is not what I discern.
>>>
>>
>>Sorry that my writing truthfully bothers you.
>
>
> As if the seeing could be bothered by the stumbling of the blind.
>

Compassion comands me to be bothered if religious fundamentalism blinds
my neighbors.

Thorsten