"sarah bennett" > wrote

> You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup is not
> eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and coca-cola wants
> their business that week If it says ou-p on it, look at the ingredients
>

Oddly enough that came up in 'conversation' elsewhere and I'd mentioned
that. I know some people stock up on it that time of the year and I
know I read that here ... I wouldn't know what to look for on the can
to tell the difference. (laugh) I know you just said what, but by passover
I won't remember.

nancy

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote

> When I related the gist of this thread to the DH (who said, "this is a
> *cooking* newsgroup??? and he really should know better, having met
> some of the denizens herein) commented that women shaving their
> underarms and legs might have had its genesis in the flapper era when
> women first started showing their bare arms and legs. As good a guess
> as any, I suppose, and a whole lot simpler :-)

I'd agree with that. It came to me that there is something about a woman
shaving under her arms in the book A Tree Grows in Brooklyn ... when
was that set, the early 1900s? I'll have to reread that book, I read it so
many times but that was years ago. One of my absolute favorite books.

nancy

sarah bennett wrote:

> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>

There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
others.
I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
blacksalt
strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair


ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)

Nancy Young wrote:
> "sarah bennett" > wrote
>
>
>>You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup is not
>>eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and coca-cola wants
>>their business that week If it says ou-p on it, look at the ingredients
>>
>
>
> Oddly enough that came up in 'conversation' elsewhere and I'd mentioned
> that. I know some people stock up on it that time of the year and I
> know I read that here ... I wouldn't know what to look for on the can
> to tell the difference. (laugh) I know you just said what, but by passover
> I won't remember.
>
> nancy
>
>

on the cap, there is usually blue ink that says "kosher for passover" or
an "O" with a "U" inside of it, followed by a "-P"

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote
>
> > When I related the gist of this thread to the DH (who said, "this is a
> > *cooking* newsgroup??? and he really should know better, having met
> > some of the denizens herein) commented that women shaving their
> > underarms and legs might have had its genesis in the flapper era when
> > women first started showing their bare arms and legs. As good a guess
> > as any, I suppose, and a whole lot simpler :-)
>
> I'd agree with that. It came to me that there is something about a woman
> shaving under her arms in the book A Tree Grows in Brooklyn ... when
> was that set, the early 1900s? I'll have to reread that book, I read it so
> many times but that was years ago. One of my absolute favorite books.

Hi Francie!

Women began [openly] shaving with the advent of the safety razor.
Women removed their body hair previously too, for thousands of years,
but was definitely not an overt/common practice. Most men didn't shave
facial hair until the advent of the safety razor also, many trimmed
with scissors/shears but didn't shave. Also hair played an important
dynamic ritualistic role, ever changing over time, and still.

Sheldon

LittleGreyPoodle wrote:


> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95% of
> the time.

again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.

> when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>
> saerah


Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...

~john

levelwave wrote:
>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>
>>saerah
>
>
>
> Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>
> ~john
>

how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>
> saerah


Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...

~john

levelwave wrote:
>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>
>>saerah
>
>
>
> Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
> more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
> and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
> for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
> benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
> mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>
> ~john
>

what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

sarah bennett wrote:


> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>

some really ugly women say the same thing about make up too? I dunno. I
can see both sides of the issue and yet I still prefer to shave and feel
the smoothness. A good shave here and there can certainly make some
things more...accessable too

Goomba38 wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>
>> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>>
>
> some really ugly women say the same thing about make up too? I dunno. I
> can see both sides of the issue and yet I still prefer to shave and feel
> the smoothness. A good shave here and there can certainly make some
> things more...accessable too

yeah, but itchy later.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

On 2 Dec 2005 07:28:36 -0800, "levelwave" >
wrote:

>> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>
>> saerah
>
>
>Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
>more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
>and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
>benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>
>~john


If the women who removed the hair on their legs & pits were the same
percentage of the population as were men who benchpressed 300+ lbs
with any regularity, Nair, Bic, Gillette, a ton of salons and whoever
makes Brazilian Wax would be out of business in a milisecond.

Boron

One time on Usenet, sarah bennett > said:
> Goomba38 wrote:
> > sarah bennett wrote:

> >> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.

> > some really ugly women say the same thing about make up too? I dunno. I
> > can see both sides of the issue and yet I still prefer to shave and feel
> > the smoothness. A good shave here and there can certainly make some
> > things more...accessable too

> yeah, but itchy later.

And here I thought this was a cooking newsgroup... ;-)

Jani (who has fine blond hair that rarely needs shaving)

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
...
> Shaun wrote:
>
> > Well Southern Comfort may use whiskey as a base, but it really is not a
> > thing like whiskey - it is sweet, warming, and delightfully orangey!
Makes
> > some delicious cocktails it does, including my favourite for long, cold,
> > refreshing summer drinks, which is a double SC, single extra dry
vermouth,
> > over ice in a tall glass, then topped up with (sparkling) lemonade (I'll
> > drink it and enjoy it with almost any fizzy lemonade, but it is MUCH
> > better with the stuff made from real lemons, and without artificial
> > flavours or sweeteners). So delicious and very, VERY easy drinking -
goes
> > down like it's just a soda, glass after glass, and you forget what
you're
> > drinking until you start to get wobbly, heheheh...
>
> Got this recipe out of a magazine way back in 1979:
>
> Barn Burner
>
> 1 1/2 oz. Southern Comfort
> 1 cup Hot Cider
> cinnamon stick
> 2-inch length of lemon peel
>
> Put cinnamon stick in an Irish Coffee glass. Add hot cider and let steep
> for a few seconds. Give the lemon peel a twist to release the volatile
> oils, and drop it into the cider as well. Add Southern Comfort and stir.
>
>
> Very nice on a cold drizzly night -- hey, wait a minute, that's what I'm
> experiencing RIGHT NOW! Unfortunately, I don't have any Southern Comfort
in
> the house, and it's too late to go out to buy a bottle. Guess I'll have
to
> make do with some kind of hot drink with rum or brandy.
>
> Bob

Shame, sounds great! Do you mean what you call 'hard' cider, or the no
alcohol stuff?

Cheers,

Shaun aRe

> If the women who removed the hair on their legs & pits were the same
> percentage of the population as were men who benchpressed 300+ lbs
> with any regularity, Nair, Bic, Gillette, a ton of salons and whoever
> makes Brazilian Wax would be out of business in a milisecond.
>
> Boron


What... you think I'd list my own bench-press max and risk looking like
a wimp? It's the interweb, of course I'm going to inflate the numbers.
I squat 600lbs too!

~john

In article >,
sarah bennett > wrote:

> levelwave wrote:
> >>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> >>
> >>saerah
> >
> >
> >
> > Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> >
> > ~john
> >
>
> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?

I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.

Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
The hair retains more armpit stench.

Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
they sweat. ;-)

My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...

Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.

I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
don't wear shorts or dresses.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
> > levelwave wrote:
> > >>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> > >>
> > >>saerah
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> > >
> > > ~john
> > >
> >
> > how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>
> I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>
> Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> The hair retains more armpit stench.
>
> Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> they sweat. ;-)
>
> My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
>
> Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
>
> I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
> don't wear shorts or dresses.
> --
> Om.
>

I agree, Kat. Hair traps bacteria which causes odor.

kili

In article >,
kalanamak > wrote:

> sarah bennett wrote:
>
> > how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >
>
> There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
> indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
> I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
> of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
> She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
> furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
> leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
> have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
> finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
> others.
> I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
> blacksalt
> strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
> of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
>
>
> ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
> go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)

I have shock white skin, and dark auburn hair. ;-)

I will shave my legs before wearing a dress! <lol>

I shave the pits regularly for personal grooming.
People at work don't appreciate smelly armpits.

Neither do the patients.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Goomba38 wrote:
> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>
>
>> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95% of
>> the time.
>
>
> again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.

And again, stay the **** out of it. You're making an ass out of
*yourself* for butting in where you don't belong.

levelwave wrote:
>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>
>>saerah
>
>
>
> Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
> more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice\
> and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym

Only because you've been *told* that. By companies trying to sell you
underarm deodorant and shaving products. You don't think that God (or
evolution, take your pick) knows better? People have body odor and
underarm hair for a reason...how can you believe that that mere mortals
know better?

> for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
> benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a

And shaving is "natural"?

> mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>
> ~john
>

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > sarah bennett > wrote:
> >
> > > levelwave wrote:
> > > >>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> > > >>
> > > >>saerah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> > > >
> > > > ~john
> > > >
> > >
> > > how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >
> > I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
> >
> > Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> > The hair retains more armpit stench.
> >
> > Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> > they sweat. ;-)
> >
> > My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> > ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
> >
> > Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
> >
> > I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
> > don't wear shorts or dresses.
> > --
> > Om.
> >
>
> I agree, Kat. Hair traps bacteria which causes odor.
>
> kili
>
>

That and the "secretions" from the glands that cause the odor...
From the "Apocrine" glands:

Http://www.worsleyschool.net/science...pit/odour.html

Most real sweat is pretty odorless.
It's just salt and water. I wear black t-shirts to the gym and they end
up with whitish patches on them from the dried salt. ;-)
Not much odor, unless I use one for more than 3 days withoug washing it
out. <lol> Gym clothes are gym clothes...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> kalanamak > wrote:
>
>
>>sarah bennett wrote:
>>
>>
>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>
>>
>>There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
>>indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
>>I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
>>of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
>>She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
>>furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
>>leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
>>have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
>>finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
>>others.
>>I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
>>blacksalt
>>strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
>>of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
>>
>>
>>ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
>>go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)
>
>
> I have shock white skin, and dark auburn hair. ;-)
>
> I will shave my legs before wearing a dress! <lol>
>
> I shave the pits regularly for personal grooming.
> People at work don't appreciate smelly armpits.

Try *washing*. It works better and is faster than shaving. And more
natural too. The smell comes from bacteria, not hair.

>
> Neither do the patients.

Boron Elgar wrote:

> If the women who removed the hair on their legs & pits were the same
> percentage of the population as were men who benchpressed 300+ lbs
> with any regularity, Nair, Bic, Gillette, a ton of salons and whoever
> makes Brazilian Wax would be out of business in a milisecond.

LOL Too true. Just about every single woman shaves her legs and underarms.
Once out od school and physed classes, the percentage of men who bench
press anything on a regular basis is probably less than 10, and those that
press 300 is a tiny fraction of that. I go to the Y 4-5 times per week,
and regardless of the time I go for my workout there is the same bunch of
guys using the free weights. In this Y,which services a population of
about 70,000, there are about a dozen of them. They are mostly in their
20s and 30s.

It's hard to establish a demographic based on one fitness centre, but from
my observations, I would say there is about an even split of men and women
in the gym at any given time. Being retired, I get to go mid day when it
is least crowded, so I see the young and the old, while the working age
come early in the morning or later in the afternoon and early evening.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
>
>>levelwave wrote:
>>
>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>>>
>>>>saerah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>>>
>>>~john
>>>
>>
>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>
>
> I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>
> Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> The hair retains more armpit stench.
>
> Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> they sweat. ;-)
>
> My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
>
> Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
>
> I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
> don't wear shorts or dresses.

I agree...I shave my under arms regularly (once every other day perhaps)
and my legs close to every day. Every day in the summer, not so much
in the winter lol. I also keep other body hair groomed...we'll leave it
at that. I do it for, what I feel, are hygiene reasons - I smell worse
and don't feel as clean if certain parts of my body are super hairy. I
keep my legs shaved because well, I have a TON of hair on them and it's
thick and dark - I imagine if I let my hair grow out, it would show more
than my husbands does.
I don't find armpit hair on anyone attractive (male or female) I don't
think men should shave, just keep the pits covered

Roberta (in VA)

You new yawk goof, youze is full of crap.
http://bicycling.about.com/od/cyclin.../aa091201a.htm

In article <AE_jf.18062$pF.11040@fed1read04>,
LittleGreyPoodle > wrote:

> levelwave wrote:
> >>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >>
> >>saerah
> >
> >
> >
> > Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
> > more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice\
> > and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>
> Only because you've been *told* that. By companies trying to sell you
> underarm deodorant and shaving products. You don't think that God (or
> evolution, take your pick) knows better? People have body odor and
> underarm hair for a reason...how can you believe that that mere mortals
> know better?
>
> > for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
> > benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>
> And shaving is "natural"?
>
> > mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
> >
> > ~john
> >

I guess if you want to draw flies instead of a mate....... ;-)

Try braiding that armpit hair! <lol>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "kilikini" > wrote:
>
>
>>"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> sarah bennett > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>levelwave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>saerah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>>>>>
>>>>>~john
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>
>>>I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>>>
>>>Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
>>>The hair retains more armpit stench.
>>>
>>>Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
>>>they sweat. ;-)
>>>
>>>My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
>>>ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
>>>
>>>Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
>>>
>>>I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
>>>don't wear shorts or dresses.
>>>--
>>>Om.
>>>
>>
>>I agree, Kat. Hair traps bacteria which causes odor.
>>
>>kili
>>
>>
>
>
> That and the "secretions" from the glands that cause the odor...
> From the "Apocrine" glands:
>
> Http://www.worsleyschool.net/science...pit/odour.html
>
> Most real sweat is pretty odorless.
> It's just salt and water. I wear black t-shirts to the gym and they end
> up with whitish patches on them from the dried salt. ;-)
> Not much odor, unless I use one for more than 3 days withoug washing it
> out. <lol> Gym clothes are gym clothes...

It's not the "secretions" (why the ""???? it's a real word!), it's the
bacteria that grow in the sweat that cause the odor. There may be
pheremones, but otherwise sweat is basically odorless. Until bacteria,
that are perfectly natural by the way, make the odor.

Don't they teach you Americans anything in school?????

In article <pH_jf.18064$pF.17534@fed1read04>,
LittleGreyPoodle > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > kalanamak > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>sarah bennett wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >>>
> >>
> >>There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
> >>indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
> >>I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
> >>of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
> >>She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
> >>furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
> >>leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
> >>have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
> >>finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
> >>others.
> >>I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
> >>blacksalt
> >>strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
> >>of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
> >>
> >>
> >>ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
> >>go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)
> >
> >
> > I have shock white skin, and dark auburn hair. ;-)
> >
> > I will shave my legs before wearing a dress! <lol>
> >
> > I shave the pits regularly for personal grooming.
> > People at work don't appreciate smelly armpits.
>
> Try *washing*. It works better and is faster than shaving. And more
> natural too. The smell comes from bacteria, not hair.

I do wash! <duh>

But the glandular secretions overcome that in just a few hours,
especially if it's really busy and I'm moving a lot! I do use underarm
deoderant (not anti-perspirant as I think that stuff is dangerous) but
by the end of the shift, if I have any armpit hair growing, the smell is
far more noticable than if the skin is clean shaven!

The hair gets coated and the smell does NOT come from bacteria! Follow
that link I posted, or google for "Apocrine glands". There are more of
them in the armpits.

I s'pose surgery is an option for those too lazy to shave the pits. ;-)
I keep a triple bladed disposable razor IN the shower!

Sorry, I DO believe in being somewhat natural, but I just have to draw
the line at armpit hair. ;-P
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article <kP_jf.286$oz5.230@dukeread03>,
Roberta > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > sarah bennett > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>levelwave wrote:
> >>
> >>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> >>>>
> >>>>saerah
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> >>>
> >>>~john
> >>>
> >>
> >>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >
> >
> > I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
> >
> > Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> > The hair retains more armpit stench.
> >
> > Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> > they sweat. ;-)
> >
> > My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> > ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
> >
> > Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
> >
> > I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
> > don't wear shorts or dresses.
>
> I agree...I shave my under arms regularly (once every other day perhaps)
> and my legs close to every day. Every day in the summer, not so much
> in the winter lol. I also keep other body hair groomed...we'll leave it
> at that. I do it for, what I feel, are hygiene reasons - I smell worse
> and don't feel as clean if certain parts of my body are super hairy. I
> keep my legs shaved because well, I have a TON of hair on them and it's
> thick and dark - I imagine if I let my hair grow out, it would show more
> than my husbands does.
> I don't find armpit hair on anyone attractive (male or female) I don't
> think men should shave, just keep the pits covered
>
> Roberta (in VA)

That's one thing nice at the gym. ;-)
I've noted that most weight lifting/body building males DO shave their
pits!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

kalanamak wrote:

> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>
>
> There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
> indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
> I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
> of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
> She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
> furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
> leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
> have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
> finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
> others.

There's no need to spend a lot of time shaving. That's laser hair
removal is for Over, done with, get back on with life and for the
purposes of this group, cooking. Seesh!


> I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
> blacksalt
> strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
> of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
>
>
> ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
> go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)

In article <_W_jf.18068$pF.5093@fed1read04>,
DogLover > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "kilikini" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>In article >,
> >>> sarah bennett > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>levelwave wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>saerah
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>~john
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >>>
> >>>I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
> >>>
> >>>Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> >>>The hair retains more armpit stench.
> >>>
> >>>Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> >>>they sweat. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> >>>ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
> >>>
> >>>Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
> >>>
> >>>I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
> >>>don't wear shorts or dresses.
> >>>--
> >>>Om.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I agree, Kat. Hair traps bacteria which causes odor.
> >>
> >>kili
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > That and the "secretions" from the glands that cause the odor...
> > From the "Apocrine" glands:
> >
> > Http://www.worsleyschool.net/science...pit/odour.html
> >
> > Most real sweat is pretty odorless.
> > It's just salt and water. I wear black t-shirts to the gym and they end
> > up with whitish patches on them from the dried salt. ;-)
> > Not much odor, unless I use one for more than 3 days withoug washing it
> > out. <lol> Gym clothes are gym clothes...
>
> It's not the "secretions" (why the ""???? it's a real word!), it's the
> bacteria that grow in the sweat that cause the odor. There may be
> pheremones, but otherwise sweat is basically odorless. Until bacteria,
> that are perfectly natural by the way, make the odor.
>
> Don't they teach you Americans anything in school?????

I see you did not bother following that link. ;-)

Eccrine gland secretions don't stink.
Apocrine gland secretions do.
Armpits have more of the latter.

Try bothering to educate _yourself_ dear!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

sarah bennett wrote:

> levelwave wrote:
>
>>> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>
>>> saerah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
>> more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
>> and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>> for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
>> benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>> mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>>
>> ~john
>>
>
> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>

Sorry but as a female I don't find body hair feminine and mine has never
been thick or very noticeable. And there's nothing sexy about hair
hanging under one's arms or out their swim pants. I'd die if I ever had
one of those female moustaches too! To each their own. IMO, women who
can't be bothered to shave or remove hair otherwise are lazy and if they
are lazy that way, they are lazy other ways. Laser hair removal for
legs and underarms is really nice. No shaving, just get up and go.
That way you can spend time on more important things like *cooking* and
enjoying life while looking your best. Now my big question - why is
this being discussed on a cooking newsgoup?

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote

> I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>
> Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> The hair retains more armpit stench.
>
> Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> they sweat. ;-)

You're absolutely right, no argument here.

nancy

LittleGreyPoodle wrote:

> Goomba38 wrote:
>
>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95% of
>>> the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.
>
>
> And again, stay the **** out of it. You're making an ass out of
> *yourself* for butting in where you don't belong.

You know, at first I was going to ignore this but then I wanted to let
you know how nice it is to have someone actually buck back. I'm tired
of the *it* supporters. *It* can say anything *it* wants but as soon as
anyone says anything back they are dumped on by the supporters. I'm
surprised they haven't got their beach chairs out and drinks in hand
waiting for the fight. I'm glad you are saying something and not taking
it on the chin. This ng is supposed to be for everyone not just one
*it* and *its* supporters. And yes some are supporters even though they
claim not to be. Keep up the good work. There are more of us behind
you there there are of *its* supporters! Happy cooking!

ObFood: Time for a roast for *it*. Braised might be good but I would
recommend long stewing and heavy seasonings to try and get the taste of
*it* out of your mouth. Serve with a nice deep red wine, several
glasses should do it.

sarah bennett wrote:
> levelwave wrote:
>
>>> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>
>>> saerah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
>> more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
>> and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>> for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
>> benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>> mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>>
>> ~john
>>
>
> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>


Nothing per se, but in all cultures, people try to enhance the secondary
sex traits to make themselves appear "more feminine" or "more
masculine". (Mostly, women do this.) Women have longer necks than men,
so they wear plunging necklines that make their necks look even longer
(even if it doesn't show significantly more cleavage. There's some
tribe in Africa where the women lengthen their necks with brass rings --
you've seen the pictures in National Geographic.

Women have smaller feet than men, so the Chinese women bound their feet
and wore tiny hooflike shoes to exaggerate their small feet. (Gross
oversimplification on this one)

In this case, women are naturally less hairy than men, so they shave
what body hair they do have to exaggerate this trait to make themselves
more feminine -- and therefore more attractive to potential mates.

Best regards,
Bob

> Only because you've been *told* that. By companies trying to sell you
> underarm deodorant and shaving products.


That's bullshit... women have been wearing makeup, decorating their
bodies with jewely, even stretching their necks with metal rings just
to draw more attention from the males LONG before the concept of a
"company" ever existed. It's called evolution, and it's perfectly
natural.

~john

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote
>
> > I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
> >
> > Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> > The hair retains more armpit stench.
> >
> > Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> > they sweat. ;-)
>
> You're absolutely right, no argument here.
>
> nancy
>
>

:-)

Thank you......
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Dave Smith wrote:
> Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>
>>If the women who removed the hair on their legs & pits were the same
>>percentage of the population as were men who benchpressed 300+ lbs
>>with any regularity, Nair, Bic, Gillette, a ton of salons and whoever
>>makes Brazilian Wax would be out of business in a milisecond.
>
>
> LOL Too true. Just about every single woman shaves her legs and underarms.
> Once out od school and physed classes, the percentage of men who bench
> press anything on a regular basis is probably less than 10, and those that
> press 300 is a tiny fraction of that. I go to the Y 4-5 times per week,
> and regardless of the time I go for my workout there is the same bunch of
> guys using the free weights. In this Y,which services a population of
> about 70,000, there are about a dozen of them. They are mostly in their
> 20s and 30s.
>
> It's hard to establish a demographic based on one fitness centre, but from
> my observations, I would say there is about an even split of men and women
> in the gym at any given time. Being retired, I get to go mid day when it
> is least crowded, so I see the young and the old, while the working age
> come early in the morning or later in the afternoon and early evening.
>
The only guys that shave their pits are either bodybuilders or "wantabes".

~patches~ wrote:
> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>
>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>
>>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95%
>>>> of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.
>>
>>
>>
>> And again, stay the **** out of it. You're making an ass out of
>> *yourself* for butting in where you don't belong.
>
>
> You know, at first I was going to ignore this but then I wanted to let
> you know how nice it is to have someone actually buck back. I'm tired
> of the *it* supporters. *It* can say anything *it* wants but as soon as
> anyone says anything back they are dumped on by the supporters. I'm
> surprised they haven't got their beach chairs out and drinks in hand
> waiting for the fight. I'm glad you are saying something and not taking
> it on the chin. This ng is supposed to be for everyone not just one
> *it* and *its* supporters. And yes some are supporters even though they
> claim not to be. Keep up the good work. There are more of us behind
> you there there are of *its* supporters! Happy cooking!
>
> ObFood: Time for a roast for *it*. Braised might be good but I would
> recommend long stewing and heavy seasonings to try and get the taste of
> *it* out of your mouth. Serve with a nice deep red wine, several
> glasses should do it.

Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I love
it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?

Now that you've mentioned roast, and given that I'm working at home
today and watching "Good Eats" episodes on Tivo, how about Roast Pork?