levelwave wrote:
>>Only because you've been *told* that. By companies trying to sell you
>>underarm deodorant and shaving products.
>
>
>
> That's bullshit... women have been wearing makeup, decorating their
> bodies with jewely, even stretching their necks with metal rings just
> to draw more attention from the males LONG before the concept of a
> "company" ever existed. It's called evolution, and it's perfectly
> natural.
>
> ~john
>
WRONG! Men were the target market for fashion trends long before the
concept of the "company" ever existed. Look at ancient Greece for this....

The deliberate marketing of shaving to woman started in the 20's and
30's in the US. Learn your history, dipshit.

> > That's bullshit... women have been wearing makeup, decorating their
> > bodies with jewely, even stretching their necks with metal rings just
> > to draw more attention from the males LONG before the concept of a
> > "company" ever existed. It's called evolution, and it's perfectly
> > natural.
> >
> > ~john
> >
> WRONG! Men were the target market for fashion trends long before the
> concept of the "company" ever existed. Look at ancient Greece for this....
>
> The deliberate marketing of shaving to woman started in the 20's and
> 30's in the US. Learn your history, dipshit.


You do realize that whatever it is you just banged on the keyboard has
absolutely nothing to do with the point you were addressing right?

~john

In article <ae0kf.18085$pF.9441@fed1read04>,
PastaLover > wrote:

> Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I love
> it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?

Probably the sulfate preservatives rather than the wine itself. :-)
Go to private wineries and ask for sulfate free wines. Might cost more,
but you can enjoy them at least!

Dad buys manischewitz kosher wines. Those are Sulfite free, so he has no
reaction to them. He gets cramps if he drinks the others with them in it.

> Now that you've mentioned roast, and given that I'm working at home
> today and watching "Good Eats" episodes on Tivo, how about Roast Pork?

Roast stab pork roast with garlic slivers and herbs.

On the wood barbecue. ;-d

'bout time for me to do another one of those!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

PastaLover wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>
>>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>>
>>>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95%
>>>>> of the time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And again, stay the **** out of it. You're making an ass out of
>>> *yourself* for butting in where you don't belong.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know, at first I was going to ignore this but then I wanted to let
>> you know how nice it is to have someone actually buck back. I'm tired
>> of the *it* supporters. *It* can say anything *it* wants but as soon
>> as anyone says anything back they are dumped on by the supporters.
>> I'm surprised they haven't got their beach chairs out and drinks in
>> hand waiting for the fight. I'm glad you are saying something and not
>> taking it on the chin. This ng is supposed to be for everyone not
>> just one *it* and *its* supporters. And yes some are supporters even
>> though they claim not to be. Keep up the good work. There are more
>> of us behind you there there are of *its* supporters! Happy cooking!
>>
>> ObFood: Time for a roast for *it*. Braised might be good but I would
>> recommend long stewing and heavy seasonings to try and get the taste
>> of *it* out of your mouth. Serve with a nice deep red wine, several
>> glasses should do it.
>
>
> Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I love
> it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?

Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.

>
> Now that you've mentioned roast, and given that I'm working at home
> today and watching "Good Eats" episodes on Tivo, how about Roast Pork?

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article <ae0kf.18085$pF.9441@fed1read04>,
> PastaLover > wrote:
>
>
>>Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I love
>>it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>
>
> Probably the sulfate preservatives rather than the wine itself. :-)
> Go to private wineries and ask for sulfate free wines. Might cost more,
> but you can enjoy them at least!
>
> Dad buys manischewitz kosher wines. Those are Sulfite free, so he has no
> reaction to them. He gets cramps if he drinks the others with them in it.
>
>
>>Now that you've mentioned roast, and given that I'm working at home
>>today and watching "Good Eats" episodes on Tivo, how about Roast Pork?
>
>
> Roast stab pork roast with garlic slivers and herbs.
>
> On the wood barbecue. ;-d

Uh, you're killing me here..... Ummmmmmm......

>
> 'bout time for me to do another one of those!

~patches~ wrote:
> PastaLover wrote:
>
>> ~patches~ wrote:
>>
>>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95%
>>>>>> of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And again, stay the **** out of it. You're making an ass out of
>>>> *yourself* for butting in where you don't belong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You know, at first I was going to ignore this but then I wanted to
>>> let you know how nice it is to have someone actually buck back. I'm
>>> tired of the *it* supporters. *It* can say anything *it* wants but
>>> as soon as anyone says anything back they are dumped on by the
>>> supporters. I'm surprised they haven't got their beach chairs out
>>> and drinks in hand waiting for the fight. I'm glad you are saying
>>> something and not taking it on the chin. This ng is supposed to be
>>> for everyone not just one *it* and *its* supporters. And yes some
>>> are supporters even though they claim not to be. Keep up the good
>>> work. There are more of us behind you there there are of *its*
>>> supporters! Happy cooking!
>>>
>>> ObFood: Time for a roast for *it*. Braised might be good but I
>>> would recommend long stewing and heavy seasonings to try and get the
>>> taste of *it* out of your mouth. Serve with a nice deep red wine,
>>> several glasses should do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I
>> love it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>
>
> Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
> I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
> get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.

Yeah, it's the sufites... and I'd don't seem to care of the lighter
wines. Funny how life is... it always seems to tempt you with things you
can't have....

levelwave wrote:
>>>That's bullshit... women have been wearing makeup, decorating their
>>>bodies with jewely, even stretching their necks with metal rings just
>>>to draw more attention from the males LONG before the concept of a
>>>"company" ever existed. It's called evolution, and it's perfectly
>>>natural.
>>>
>>>~john
>>>
>>
>>WRONG! Men were the target market for fashion trends long before the
>>concept of the "company" ever existed. Look at ancient Greece for this....
>>
>>The deliberate marketing of shaving to woman started in the 20's and
>>30's in the US. Learn your history, dipshit.
>
>
>
> You do realize that whatever it is you just banged on the keyboard has
> absolutely nothing to do with the point you were addressing right?
>
> ~john
>
Sure. it's why I did it. Life's a breeze when you drunk.....

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:03:38 -0700, LittleGreyPoodle
> wrote:

>Denny Wheeler wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:02:03 GMT, sarah bennett
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>>>The real reason women shave armpits, legs, and bikini area is so they
>>>>don't look like dago apes.
>>>>
>>>>Sheldon Hirsute
>>>>
>>>
>>>So why don't most men shave?
>>
>>
>> Men think women want us to look like dago apes?
>> (thinking of the stubble look & such)
>>
>> --
>> -denny-
>
>Denny,
>
>Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95% of
>the time.

Oh, Sheldon's often very funny.
(sometimes he's even trying to be funny...)

--
-denny-
"Do your thoughts call ahead or do they just arrive at your mouth unannounced?"

"It's come as you are, baby."

-over the hedge

Nancy Young wrote:

> Actually I believe the progression was that of the sweeteners involved:
> Tab-sacharin Diet Coke-aspartame Coke Zero-splenda
>
> Along those lines.


That does make sense. For me, artificial sweetener just tastes nasty so
I've never had reason to compare or see if I can tell them apart.


--Lia

PastaLover wrote:

>
> > It's hard to establish a demographic based on one fitness centre, but from
> > my observations, I would say there is about an even split of men and women
> > in the gym at any given time. Being retired, I get to go mid day when it
> > is least crowded, so I see the young and the old, while the working age
> > come early in the morning or later in the afternoon and early evening.
> >
> The only guys that shave their pits are either bodybuilders or "wantabes".

They spend a lot of time in the weight room looking for new friends.

~patches~ wrote:

> > Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I love
> > it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>
> Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
> I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
> get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.

It definitely affects some people, and not in a good way. It can put some
people in an ugly mood. My wife is almost always easy going and good natured.
Giver her a glass or two of red wine and she becomes more talkative. Give her
a third glass of red wine and you don't want to be around her.

>

On 1 Dec 2005 17:09:51 -0800, -L. wrote:


>What I don't get are the women who get Brazillians or Bald Eagles.
>OUCH! IMO, that's just nasty.
>
>-L.

Well some one has to ask.
I can figure out what a bald eagle is, and I know what a mohawk is,
but what is a brazilian?

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> kalanamak > wrote:
>
>
>>sarah bennett wrote:
>>
>>
>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>
>>
>>There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
>>indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
>>I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
>>of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
>>She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
>>furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
>>leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
>>have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
>>finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
>>others.
>>I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
>>blacksalt
>>strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
>>of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
>>
>>
>>ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
>>go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)
>
>
> I have shock white skin, and dark auburn hair. ;-)
>
> I will shave my legs before wearing a dress! <lol>
>
> I shave the pits regularly for personal grooming.
> People at work don't appreciate smelly armpits.
>
> Neither do the patients.

Hair under your arms does not necessarily mean you will smell.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article <pH_jf.18064$pF.17534@fed1read04>,
> LittleGreyPoodle > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> kalanamak > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>sarah bennett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
>>>>indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
>>>>I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
>>>>of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
>>>>She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
>>>>furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
>>>>leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
>>>>have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
>>>>finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
>>>>others.
>>>>I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
>>>>blacksalt
>>>>strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
>>>>of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
>>>>go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)
>>>
>>>
>>>I have shock white skin, and dark auburn hair. ;-)
>>>
>>>I will shave my legs before wearing a dress! <lol>
>>>
>>>I shave the pits regularly for personal grooming.
>>>People at work don't appreciate smelly armpits.
>>
>>Try *washing*. It works better and is faster than shaving. And more
>>natural too. The smell comes from bacteria, not hair.
>
>
> I do wash! <duh>
>
> But the glandular secretions overcome that in just a few hours,
> especially if it's really busy and I'm moving a lot! I do use underarm
> deoderant (not anti-perspirant as I think that stuff is dangerous) but
> by the end of the shift, if I have any armpit hair growing, the smell is
> far more noticable than if the skin is clean shaven!
>
> The hair gets coated and the smell does NOT come from bacteria! Follow
> that link I posted, or google for "Apocrine glands". There are more of
> them in the armpits.
>
> I s'pose surgery is an option for those too lazy to shave the pits. ;-)
> I keep a triple bladed disposable razor IN the shower!
>
> Sorry, I DO believe in being somewhat natural, but I just have to draw
> the line at armpit hair. ;-P

yes, the smell comes from the bacteria that reproduce in the moist
conditions in the armpit. Now, if you are using a deodorant that cannot
reach the pores of the glands, then it wont work. Chick deodorant does
not work if you have hair under your arms, in my experience.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
>
>>levelwave wrote:
>>
>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>>>
>>>>saerah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>>>
>>>~john
>>>
>>
>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>
>
> I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>
> Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> The hair retains more armpit stench.
>
> Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> they sweat. ;-)
>
> My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
>
> Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
>

WHY? Why should I be disallowed from wearing something that shows my
legs just because I have hair there?

> I'm lucky to get around to shaving my legs once per year or so, but I
> don't wear shorts or dresses.


--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article <AE_jf.18062$pF.11040@fed1read04>,
> LittleGreyPoodle > wrote:
>
>
>>levelwave wrote:
>>
>>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>>
>>>>saerah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
>>>more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice\
>>>and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>>
>>Only because you've been *told* that. By companies trying to sell you
>>underarm deodorant and shaving products. You don't think that God (or
>>evolution, take your pick) knows better? People have body odor and
>>underarm hair for a reason...how can you believe that that mere mortals
>>know better?
>>
>>
>>>for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
>>>benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>>
>>And shaving is "natural"?
>>
>>
>>>mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>>>
>>>~john
>>>
>
>
> I guess if you want to draw flies instead of a mate....... ;-)
>
> Try braiding that armpit hair! <lol>

I would not want to live with a man who insisted that I remove part of
my body because of cultural conditioning.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

~patches~ wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>> levelwave wrote:
>>
>>>> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>>
>>>> saerah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
>>> more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
>>> and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>>> for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
>>> benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>>> mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>>>
>>> ~john
>>>
>>
>> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>>
>
> Sorry but as a female I don't find body hair feminine and mine has never
> been thick or very noticeable. And there's nothing sexy about hair
> hanging under one's arms or out their swim pants. I'd die if I ever had
> one of those female moustaches too! To each their own. IMO, women who
> can't be bothered to shave or remove hair otherwise are lazy and if they
> are lazy that way, they are lazy other ways. Laser hair removal for
> legs and underarms is really nice. No shaving, just get up and go. That
> way you can spend time on more important things like *cooking* and
> enjoying life while looking your best. Now my big question - why is
> this being discussed on a cooking newsgoup?

I think I look just fine with hair. Especially compared to itchy red
oozing bumps. Seeing that I am female, the hair that grows on my body is
inherently feminine.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

Pan Ohco wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2005 17:09:51 -0800, -L. wrote:
>
>
>
>>What I don't get are the women who get Brazillians or Bald Eagles.
>>OUCH! IMO, that's just nasty.
>>
>>-L.
>
>
> Well some one has to ask.
> I can figure out what a bald eagle is, and I know what a mohawk is,
> but what is a brazilian?

like a six year old.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

In article >,
Pan Ohco > wrote:

> On 1 Dec 2005 17:09:51 -0800, -L. wrote:
>
>
> >What I don't get are the women who get Brazillians or Bald Eagles.
> >OUCH! IMO, that's just nasty.
> >
> >-L.
>
> Well some one has to ask.
> I can figure out what a bald eagle is, and I know what a mohawk is,
> but what is a brazilian?

It's not what is a Brazillian, it's How many is a brazillion?
Gotta get the punchline right <G>.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article > ,
sarah bennett > wrote:

>
> Hair under your arms does not necessarily mean you will smell.

Deoderant is not as efficient.
Eventually you will. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article > ,
sarah bennett > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article <pH_jf.18064$pF.17534@fed1read04>,
> > LittleGreyPoodle > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article >,
> >>> kalanamak > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>sarah bennett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>There is no accounting for taste. IME, and while distant, was very broad
> >>>>indeed, the kind of men who thought body hair awful were the kind of men
> >>>>I wasn't interested in. I recall one afternoon in a park with a couple
> >>>>of co-students (we were all in our early 30s). There were a "couple".
> >>>>She said "no woman is furrier than me". I showed my leg, which WAS
> >>>>furrier than hers (she beat me in the arms). The man smiled, petted my
> >>>>leg and slyly said "what are YOU doing tonight" and we all laughed. I
> >>>>have had men who just loved my downy pits, and said they were so glad to
> >>>>finally meet a woman who didn't spend all that time preening to impress
> >>>>others.
> >>>>I'm married to one now, and my little boy loves to pet my shins.
> >>>>blacksalt
> >>>>strawberry blonde, who admits she might feel differently if she was one
> >>>>of those people with shock white skin and jet black hair
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>ObFood: power back on...time to eat while it still in on (power tends to
> >>>>go off and on as trees drop under the wt. of the snow)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I have shock white skin, and dark auburn hair. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>I will shave my legs before wearing a dress! <lol>
> >>>
> >>>I shave the pits regularly for personal grooming.
> >>>People at work don't appreciate smelly armpits.
> >>
> >>Try *washing*. It works better and is faster than shaving. And more
> >>natural too. The smell comes from bacteria, not hair.
> >
> >
> > I do wash! <duh>
> >
> > But the glandular secretions overcome that in just a few hours,
> > especially if it's really busy and I'm moving a lot! I do use underarm
> > deoderant (not anti-perspirant as I think that stuff is dangerous) but
> > by the end of the shift, if I have any armpit hair growing, the smell is
> > far more noticable than if the skin is clean shaven!
> >
> > The hair gets coated and the smell does NOT come from bacteria! Follow
> > that link I posted, or google for "Apocrine glands". There are more of
> > them in the armpits.
> >
> > I s'pose surgery is an option for those too lazy to shave the pits. ;-)
> > I keep a triple bladed disposable razor IN the shower!
> >
> > Sorry, I DO believe in being somewhat natural, but I just have to draw
> > the line at armpit hair. ;-P
>
> yes, the smell comes from the bacteria that reproduce in the moist
> conditions in the armpit. Now, if you are using a deodorant that cannot
> reach the pores of the glands, then it wont work. Chick deodorant does
> not work if you have hair under your arms, in my experience.

I've actually switched to a "natural" one made with tea tree oil.
The super strong "guy" stuff made by old spice worked, but I developed a
severe allergy to it. Beet red skin with severe itching. It was horrible.

The "Tom's" brand is working ok but it's not quite good for 10 hours.
I also use a bit of neosporin to supress bacterial growth.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article > ,
sarah bennett > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > sarah bennett > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>levelwave wrote:
> >>
> >>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> >>>>
> >>>>saerah
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> >>>
> >>>~john
> >>>
> >>
> >>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >
> >
> > I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
> >
> > Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> > The hair retains more armpit stench.
> >
> > Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> > they sweat. ;-)
> >
> > My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> > ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
> >
> > Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
> >
>
> WHY? Why should I be disallowed from wearing something that shows my
> legs just because I have hair there?

Only if you want to look funky. ;-)
But that is up to you.

Personally, I won't do that but if you are comfortable showing off hairy
legs, more power to ya dear!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article > ,
sarah bennett > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article <AE_jf.18062$pF.11040@fed1read04>,
> > LittleGreyPoodle > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>levelwave wrote:
> >>
> >>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >>>>
> >>>>saerah
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
> >>>more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice\
> >>>and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
> >>
> >>Only because you've been *told* that. By companies trying to sell you
> >>underarm deodorant and shaving products. You don't think that God (or
> >>evolution, take your pick) knows better? People have body odor and
> >>underarm hair for a reason...how can you believe that that mere mortals
> >>know better?
> >>
> >>
> >>>for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
> >>>benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
> >>
> >>And shaving is "natural"?
> >>
> >>
> >>>mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
> >>>
> >>>~john
> >>>
> >
> >
> > I guess if you want to draw flies instead of a mate....... ;-)
> >
> > Try braiding that armpit hair! <lol>
>
> I would not want to live with a man who insisted that I remove part of
> my body because of cultural conditioning.

I won't disagree that it's cultural conditioning, but I really really
REALLY have an objection to armpit odor! It makes me gag.

I won't even tolerate it in guys.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article > ,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
>
>>Hair under your arms does not necessarily mean you will smell.
>
>
> Deoderant is not as efficient.
> Eventually you will. ;-)

eventually we all smell. deodorant or not.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article > ,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> sarah bennett > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>levelwave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>saerah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>>>>>
>>>>>~john
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>
>>>
>>>I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>>>
>>>Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
>>>The hair retains more armpit stench.
>>>
>>>Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
>>>they sweat. ;-)
>>>
>>>My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
>>>ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
>>>
>>>Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
>>>
>>
>>WHY? Why should I be disallowed from wearing something that shows my
>>legs just because I have hair there?
>
>
> Only if you want to look funky. ;-)
> But that is up to you.
>

The only way anyone would be able o tell that i do not shave my legs is
if they were standing much closer than i would consider appropriate, or
touching my legs. heh.

> Personally, I won't do that but if you are comfortable showing off hairy
> legs, more power to ya dear!

Eh, I really don;t care what other people think of how I look. Unless
they want to hire me, that is


--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

~patches~ wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> ~patches~ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I
>>>> love
>>>> it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
>>> I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
>>> get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.
>>
>>
>>
>> It definitely affects some people, and not in a good way. It can put some
>> people in an ugly mood. My wife is almost always easy going and good
>> natured.
>> Giver her a glass or two of red wine and she becomes more talkative.
>> Give her
>> a third glass of red wine and you don't want to be around her.
>>
>>
>>
> Mine reaction is much worse - one sip and my cheeks get the brightest
> red you've ever seen, a second sip and the breathing problems start. It
> isn't pretty! I haven't had a problem with white or zinfedel

zinfandel is a red wine.

>but I'm so
> cautious that the prospects of drinking a full glass are slim to none. I
> have enough for the toast and one or two sips, that's it. Funny, sherry
> doesn't seem to affect me either but I only have an ounce of that would
> last most the evening.


--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

In article >,
sarah bennett > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article > ,
> > sarah bennett > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article >,
> >>> sarah bennett > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>levelwave wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>saerah
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>~john
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
> >>>
> >>>Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
> >>>The hair retains more armpit stench.
> >>>
> >>>Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
> >>>they sweat. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
> >>>ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
> >>>
> >>>Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
> >>>
> >>
> >>WHY? Why should I be disallowed from wearing something that shows my
> >>legs just because I have hair there?
> >
> >
> > Only if you want to look funky. ;-)
> > But that is up to you.
> >
>
> The only way anyone would be able o tell that i do not shave my legs is
> if they were standing much closer than i would consider appropriate, or
> touching my legs. heh.
>
> > Personally, I won't do that but if you are comfortable showing off hairy
> > legs, more power to ya dear!
>
> Eh, I really don;t care what other people think of how I look. Unless
> they want to hire me, that is

Yep! <lol>
Signing my paycheck is the ultimate "gotta have a good opinion" thing!
<lol>

So you shave your legs for job interviews?

I think it's been at least two years now since I've shaved my legs. Some
of the hairs are close to 1" long, but I wear pants the majority of the
time so it does not matter.

I have a couple of ankle scars from careless shaving. :-(

Hurts, and bleeds forEVer!!!

I shave my armpits every few days. I'm lucky, no reaction. I use a
triple blade disposable razor and saap to lubricate.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Dave Smith wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>
>>>Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I love
>>>it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>>
>>Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
>> I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
>>get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.
>
>
> It definitely affects some people, and not in a good way. It can put some
> people in an ugly mood. My wife is almost always easy going and good natured.
> Giver her a glass or two of red wine and she becomes more talkative. Give her
> a third glass of red wine and you don't want to be around her.
>
>
>
Mine reaction is much worse - one sip and my cheeks get the brightest
red you've ever seen, a second sip and the breathing problems start. It
isn't pretty! I haven't had a problem with white or zinfedel but I'm so
cautious that the prospects of drinking a full glass are slim to none.
I have enough for the toast and one or two sips, that's it. Funny,
sherry doesn't seem to affect me either but I only have an ounce of that
would last most the evening.

sarah bennett wrote:

> I would not want to live with a man who insisted that I remove part of
> my body because of cultural conditioning.
>
Do you do anything about that little mustache thing goin on up there??
How do you feel about women that do remove it??

Joke:
Q- Why do Italian men grow mustaches?
A- So they can look just like Momma. (shut up Sheldon, lol)

In article > ,
sarah bennett > wrote:

> zinfandel is a red wine.

Not here.

White Zinfandel is a Rose'.

You CAN get red zin' but it's rare.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>>In article > ,
>>> sarah bennett > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article >,
>>>>>sarah bennett > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>levelwave wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>saerah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>~john
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I've noted that nobody has commented on my posts about Body Odor.
>>>>>
>>>>>Armpit hair seems to be resistant to underarm deoderant.
>>>>>The hair retains more armpit stench.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hairy armpits smell. That's why men usually smell worse than women when
>>>>>they sweat. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>My mom never shaved her pits. Used to make me gag when I helped her get
>>>>>ready for a doc's appt. I offered to shave them for her...
>>>>>
>>>>>Leg hair is no big deal imho, as long as you are wearing pants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>WHY? Why should I be disallowed from wearing something that shows my
>>>>legs just because I have hair there?
>>>
>>>
>>>Only if you want to look funky. ;-)
>>>But that is up to you.
>>>
>>
>>The only way anyone would be able o tell that i do not shave my legs is
>>if they were standing much closer than i would consider appropriate, or
>>touching my legs. heh.
>>
>>
>>>Personally, I won't do that but if you are comfortable showing off hairy
>>>legs, more power to ya dear!
>>
>>Eh, I really don;t care what other people think of how I look. Unless
>>they want to hire me, that is
>
>
> Yep! <lol>
> Signing my paycheck is the ultimate "gotta have a good opinion" thing!
> <lol>
>
> So you shave your legs for job interviews?
>

I wear slacks, or tights, if I am wearing a skirt.

> I think it's been at least two years now since I've shaved my legs. Some
> of the hairs are close to 1" long, but I wear pants the majority of the
> time so it does not matter.
>

Four years here.

> I have a couple of ankle scars from careless shaving. :-(
>
> Hurts, and bleeds forEVer!!!
>
> I shave my armpits every few days. I'm lucky, no reaction. I use a
> triple blade disposable razor and saap to lubricate.

I trim mine up with scissors and I occasionally shave, and then get
****ed off because it rashes up. I have tried every type of disposable
razor except the kind with removable heads. My husband doesnt care, I
don't care. that kind of makes shaving a waste of time.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

Goomba38 wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>> I would not want to live with a man who insisted that I remove part of
>> my body because of cultural conditioning.
>>
> Do you do anything about that little mustache thing goin on up there??
> How do you feel about women that do remove it??
>

I have a tiny bit of hair above my lip. It is blonde and only noticeable
if I'm wearing a ton of makeup. (which I don't anymore)I think that it
is everyone's prerogative to shave their body hair as they see fit, but
I have no problem with those that choose not to.I certainly don't think
it is "disgusting" and it puzzles me why people are so creeped out by it.

> Joke:
> Q- Why do Italian men grow mustaches?
> A- So they can look just like Momma. (shut up Sheldon, lol)


--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article > ,
> sarah bennett > wrote:
>
>
>>zinfandel is a red wine.
>
>
> Not here.
>
> White Zinfandel is a Rose'.
>

yeah, yeah, I was being jerky and semantic

> You CAN get red zin' but it's rare.

Really? I never knew I was such an oenophile.

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

~patches~ > wrote in news:11p0vlm25p6b4d0
@corp.supernews.com:

Laser hair removal for
> legs and underarms is really nice. No shaving, just get up and go.

I thought this sounded great too (I appreciate other people's viewpoints
but I personally do not like hairy legs and armpits on myself - the hair is
not fine and blond, unfortunately <g>) but it's very expensive.

I've got a brochure here from a local beauty salon - full legs, bikini line
and underarm laser hair removal - $850.00. That's Australian dollars which
currently equates to about 737 Canadian, 636 US.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Pan Ohco wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2005 17:09:51 -0800, -L. wrote:
>
>
>
>>What I don't get are the women who get Brazillians or Bald Eagles.
>>OUCH! IMO, that's just nasty.
>>
>>-L.
>
>
> Well some one has to ask.
> I can figure out what a bald eagle is, and I know what a mohawk is,
> but what is a brazilian?


My understanding of it .... You know what a bikini wax is - think on a
MUCH larger scale... All of it waxed - belly-button to lower back :P

Roberta (in VA)

On 2005-12-02, OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> White Zinfandel is a Rose'.

White Zinfandel is a waste of good dirt!!

While zinfandel is, in fact, a red grape, white zinfandel is a process
of using those red grapes to make what amounts to the "chick flick" of
wines. Real *RED* zinfandel is not only *NOT* rare, it is considered
by many (ME!) to be the king of red wines. It's a heavy chewy high
alcohol wine that will kick the crap outta the drinker and any food
it's paired with. Wimps stay away!

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2005-12-02, OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>
>
>>White Zinfandel is a Rose'.
>
>
> White Zinfandel is a waste of good dirt!!
>
> While zinfandel is, in fact, a red grape, white zinfandel is a process
> of using those red grapes to make what amounts to the "chick flick" of
> wines. Real *RED* zinfandel is not only *NOT* rare, it is considered
> by many (ME!) to be the king of red wines. It's a heavy chewy high
> alcohol wine that will kick the crap outta the drinker and any food
> it's paired with. Wimps stay away!
>
> nb

I am not much of a wine drinker, but I've used it for pot roast and beef
stew

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

sarah bennett wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> ~patches~ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I
>>>>> love
>>>>> it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
>>>> I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
>>>> get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It definitely affects some people, and not in a good way. It can put
>>> some
>>> people in an ugly mood. My wife is almost always easy going and good
>>> natured.
>>> Giver her a glass or two of red wine and she becomes more talkative.
>>> Give her
>>> a third glass of red wine and you don't want to be around her.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Mine reaction is much worse - one sip and my cheeks get the brightest
>> red you've ever seen, a second sip and the breathing problems start.
>> It isn't pretty! I haven't had a problem with white or zinfedel
>
>
> zinfandel is a red wine.

Really? I should get them to relabel the *white* zinfedel then,
shouldn't I?

>
>> but I'm so cautious that the prospects of drinking a full glass are
>> slim to none. I have enough for the toast and one or two sips, that's
>> it. Funny, sherry doesn't seem to affect me either but I only have an
>> ounce of that would last most the evening.
>
>
>

Rhonda Anderson wrote:

> ~patches~ > wrote in news:11p0vlm25p6b4d0
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
> Laser hair removal for
>
>>legs and underarms is really nice. No shaving, just get up and go.
>
>
> I thought this sounded great too (I appreciate other people's viewpoints
> but I personally do not like hairy legs and armpits on myself - the hair is
> not fine and blond, unfortunately <g>) but it's very expensive.
>
> I've got a brochure here from a local beauty salon - full legs, bikini line
> and underarm laser hair removal - $850.00. That's Australian dollars which
> currently equates to about 737 Canadian, 636 US.
>
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
>

That is expensive. My dermatologist charges $135 for underarm hair
removal, $300 for lower legs, and $200 for full bikini. These are CDN
prices.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>> > Roast (anything) I'll go for; but I have to stop at the red wine. I
>> > love
>> > it, but allergic to something it it. How about gin and tonics?
>>
>> Funny you mention the red wine allergy. I'm highly allergic to it too.
>> I think it is the sulfides (sulfites) in it but could be wrong. I can
>> get away with a little white wine or zinfidel but not the red.
>
> It definitely affects some people, and not in a good way. It can put some
> people in an ugly mood. My wife is almost always easy going and good
> natured.
> Giver her a glass or two of red wine and she becomes more talkative. Give
> her
> a third glass of red wine and you don't want to be around her.
>
>>
>
No problem with red wine but if I have white wine with fish I get an
allergic type reaction.
Ben.