After seeing Robin "Crazy Eyes" Miller's new show and ads for Ray-Ray's
numerous shows, it occurred to me that FN has been slowly replacing their
real chefs with hacks who have no clue in a kitchen and shows which
have little, if anything, to do with cooking. Has anyone else noticed
this?

--
"Bunny's ability to take ingredients that I love and put them together
into something stomach wrenching is unparalleled." -- bookwirm

Yep, my husband has been grumping about the same thing and has quit
watching it because of exactly that reason. It's too bad, it used to
be really fun to watch.



(Ubiquitous) wrote:

>After seeing Robin "Crazy Eyes" Miller's new show and ads for Ray-Ray's
>numerous shows, it occurred to me that FN has been slowly replacing their
>real chefs with hacks who have no clue in a kitchen and shows which
>have little, if anything, to do with cooking. Has anyone else noticed
>this?

Ubiquitous wrote on 11/30/2005:

Is Food Network on the decline?

<snip>

Rhetorical question?

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:21:43 -0900, Connie Swisher
> wrote:

>Yep, my husband has been grumping about the same thing and has quit
>watching it because of exactly that reason. It's too bad, it used to
>be really fun to watch.
>
>
>
(Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
>>After seeing Robin "Crazy Eyes" Miller's new show and ads for Ray-Ray's
>>numerous shows, it occurred to me that FN has been slowly replacing their
>>real chefs with hacks who have no clue in a kitchen and shows which
>>have little, if anything, to do with cooking. Has anyone else noticed
>>this?

They wouldn't being doing this unless demographics told them that's
what middle America wants. Go try to account for Taste (which was a FN
show I miss).

I'm a former Food Network watcher but I checked in recently to watch
an Alton Brown Good Eats. He's always been over the top with the
theme shows and comedy bits but always had some good solid info in
each show. Unfortunately, it appears there's more ham than beef now.

J. Eric Durbin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:21:43 -0900, Connie Swisher
> > wrote:
>
>>Yep, my husband has been grumping about the same thing and has quit
>>watching it because of exactly that reason. It's too bad, it used to
>>be really fun to watch.
>>
>>
>>
(Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>
>>>After seeing Robin "Crazy Eyes" Miller's new show and ads for Ray-Ray's
>>>numerous shows, it occurred to me that FN has been slowly replacing their
>>>real chefs with hacks who have no clue in a kitchen and shows which
>>>have little, if anything, to do with cooking. Has anyone else noticed
>>>this?
>
> They wouldn't being doing this unless demographics told them that's
> what middle America wants. Go try to account for Taste (which was a FN
> show I miss).

The first show I ever saw on FN was Taste. I fell in loe. He was talking about
tuna in that episode. I really really miss that show.

>
> I'm a former Food Network watcher but I checked in recently to watch
> an Alton Brown Good Eats. He's always been over the top with the
> theme shows and comedy bits but always had some good solid info in
> each show. Unfortunately, it appears there's more ham than beef now.
>

I don't have TV anymore (or, more specifically, I have a tv and I use it to
watch dvd's and tapes, but I turned off all reception so just movies not 'TV"
proper) and I do miss FN and the various Discovery Channels (though if FN is
as bad as it sounds, maybe I'm okay with it).

Also, can I just say...I really really hate Emeril. I do. I hated him when I
had TV, I hate him now that he has some bizarre line of organic baby roma
tomatoes at my grocery store. No real reason, it's just an irrational hate.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com

"Kevin_Sheehy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ubiquitous wrote on 11/30/2005:
>
> Is Food Network on the decline?
>
> <snip>
>
> Rhetorical question?
>
Yes yes and yes.

FoodTV is just so much crap now. I rarely watch it anymore unless Alton
Brown is on. I have no use for the endless stream of candy shows, the
proliferation of shows about the snack food business. OK, so now I know how
Fritos are made. Like I care. I am also rather tired of the celebrity
kitchen shows like Wolfgang Puck cooking for Dr. Phil's dinner party. It
seems to lean quite heavily towards a food version of Lifestyles of the Rich
and Famous. And then we have that De Laurentis chick and her champagne
parties for millionaires. I watched the Two Hot Tamales on Iron Chef USA
and it brought back memories of the good old days when FoodTV was about all
I watched in the evenings.

We still have the occasional show from the old days like Mario Batalia and
his show. It won't last much longer as those slots are becoming very much
the rarity. Plus he is often on very late at night too which shows what the
network thinks of his show. Yet that irritating harpy Rachel Ray gets
massive coverage. 40 dollars a day is a joke. One, I could do it for 20.
2 who wants to watch her stuffing her face and making endless orgasmic
expressions about the quality of the food. When I think orgasms, I don't
think food or Rachel Ray. OK, I thought she was cute once now she annoys me
no end. And her 30 minute meals - sure if you either have a crew prepping
the ingredients for you or if you open a bunch of cans and call that dinner.
And her food if you ate it would probably kill you. She once made a canned
chili dish with hotdogs and cheese and butter soaked bread and called it
healthy - that meal was listed as like 1000 calories and 65 grams of fat -
per serving! It's a joke.

I really, really miss the old shows.

Paul

"J. Eric Durbin" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:21:43 -0900, Connie Swisher
> > wrote:
>
>>Yep, my husband has been grumping about the same thing and has quit
>>watching it because of exactly that reason. It's too bad, it used to
>>be really fun to watch.
>>
>>
>>
(Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>
>>>After seeing Robin "Crazy Eyes" Miller's new show and ads for Ray-Ray's
>>>numerous shows, it occurred to me that FN has been slowly replacing their
>>>real chefs with hacks who have no clue in a kitchen and shows which
>>>have little, if anything, to do with cooking. Has anyone else noticed
>>>this?
>
> They wouldn't being doing this unless demographics told them that's
> what middle America wants.

Look who we elected as president. Half the country thinks it's just fine
that after several thousand repetitions, he still cannot pronounce "nuclear"
or utter a complex sentence without a script, and probably an animal
training collar under his dress shirt. So, it should come as no surprise
that Emeril's recipes are probably considered way too complicated for some
listeners. He'll be gone next.

Doug Kanter wrote:


> Look who we elected as president. Half the country thinks it's just fine
> that after several thousand repetitions, he still cannot pronounce "nuclear"
> or utter a complex sentence without a script, and probably an animal
> training collar under his dress shirt. So, it should come as no surprise
> that Emeril's recipes are probably considered way too complicated for some
> listeners. He'll be gone next.
>
>
oh **** off and die. I'm so sick of hearing that how one pronounces
nuclear is so very important? I seem to recall JFK said it differently
than you want too?
Emeril is a bore now too as is any show done to death. that is why he'll
go next.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>> Look who we elected as president. Half the country thinks it's just fine
>> that after several thousand repetitions, he still cannot pronounce
>> "nuclear" or utter a complex sentence without a script, and probably an
>> animal training collar under his dress shirt. So, it should come as no
>> surprise that Emeril's recipes are probably considered way too
>> complicated for some listeners. He'll be gone next.
> oh **** off and die. I'm so sick of hearing that how one pronounces
> nuclear is so very important? I seem to recall JFK said it differently
> than you want too?
> Emeril is a bore now too as is any show done to death. that is why he'll
> go next.

There must be SOME words which upset you if mispronounced. How much do you
let your kids get away with in this regard? Or, do you believe the bullshit
about how "all languages evolve", which is really an excuse for screwing
them up?

Doug Kanter wrote:


> There must be SOME words which upset you if mispronounced. How much do you
> let your kids get away with in this regard? Or, do you believe the bullshit
> about how "all languages evolve", which is really an excuse for screwing
> them up?

No, that's not my contention at all. I do recognize that accents do vary
though? I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his
own way of pronouncing it. Get over it.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>> There must be SOME words which upset you if mispronounced. How much do
>> you let your kids get away with in this regard? Or, do you believe the
>> bullshit about how "all languages evolve", which is really an excuse for
>> screwing them up?
>
> No, that's not my contention at all. I do recognize that accents do vary
> though? I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his own
> way of pronouncing it. Get over it.

One persons sins don't validate another's. And, we're not discussing accents
here. Speech pathologists have a term for what Bush does to that word - I
don't recall what it is. But, it is not "regional color" or an accent, as
some people claim.

I have a theory: Bush has been instructed by his sitter (Karl Rove) to
continue mispronouncing the word as much as he wants. The reason is
disgusting. During his first campaign, he made a few comments about the
"intellectual elite" or some such nonsense. Mispronouncing the word endears
him to a certain segment of his supporters who claim to agree that education
is important, but don't have much of it themselves.

Meanwhile, I've heard interviews with foreign diplomats from countries like
Slovakia and China, and these people often have a command of the English
language that makes Bush look utterly pathetic. Something's seriously wrong
with that.

Goomba38 > writes:
>I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his
>own way of pronouncing it.

JC was a US Naval Academy grad that went into subs.
"nukie-lar" is how he pronounced it.

"guy klose" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba38 > writes:
>>I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his
>>own way of pronouncing it.
>
> JC was a US Naval Academy grad that went into subs.
> "nukie-lar" is how he pronounced it.
>

I know where he served. But that is in no way related to how he pronounced
the word.

"Also, can I just say...I really really hate Emeril. I do. I hated him
when I
had TV, I hate him now that he has some bizarre line of organic baby
roma
tomatoes at my grocery store. No real reason, it's just an irrational
hate."

Funny you should mention Emeril. Last week I was visiting my dad in
Florida and we had Emeril on while we were playing cards. I think it
was last Tuesday, November 22. My dad mentioned that he read
somewhere Emeril always drinks before he goes on the air and, after
watching that particular episode, I don't doubt it!!!! He had some lady
singer on--maybe he was trying to impress her. I won't watch him
again. Alton Brown, however, I luv.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:38:48 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:


>>
>> No, that's not my contention at all. I do recognize that accents do vary
>> though? I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his own
>> way of pronouncing it. Get over it.
>
>One persons sins don't validate another's. And, we're not discussing accents
>here. Speech pathologists have a term for what Bush does to that word - I
>don't recall what it is. But, it is not "regional color" or an accent, as
>some people claim.
>
>I have a theory: Bush has been instructed by his sitter (Karl Rove) to
>continue mispronouncing the word as much as he wants.

I also have a theory.
Doug Kanter hate George Bush so much, that he will slander the
president no matter what.
Doug if you have a problem with the president, bring out the reasons
why. But to attack him because of his accent and his (to you)
mispronunciation of a word, shows your lack of the ability to
verbalize the reason of your hatred.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> "Also, can I just say...I really really hate Emeril. I do. I hated him
> when I
> had TV, I hate him now that he has some bizarre line of organic baby
> roma
> tomatoes at my grocery store. No real reason, it's just an irrational
> hate."
>
> Funny you should mention Emeril. Last week I was visiting my dad in
> Florida and we had Emeril on while we were playing cards. I think it
> was last Tuesday, November 22. My dad mentioned that he read
> somewhere Emeril always drinks before he goes on the air and, after
> watching that particular episode, I don't doubt it!!!! He had some lady
> singer on--maybe he was trying to impress her. I won't watch him
> again. Alton Brown, however, I luv.
>

What did Emeril do in this episode to make you not want to watch him again?

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:38:48 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> No, that's not my contention at all. I do recognize that accents do vary
>>> though? I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his
>>> own
>>> way of pronouncing it. Get over it.
>>
>>One persons sins don't validate another's. And, we're not discussing
>>accents
>>here. Speech pathologists have a term for what Bush does to that word - I
>>don't recall what it is. But, it is not "regional color" or an accent, as
>>some people claim.
>>
>>I have a theory: Bush has been instructed by his sitter (Karl Rove) to
>>continue mispronouncing the word as much as he wants.
>
> I also have a theory.
> Doug Kanter hate George Bush so much, that he will slander the
> president no matter what.
> Doug if you have a problem with the president, bring out the reasons
> why. But to attack him because of his accent and his (to you)
> mispronunciation of a word, shows your lack of the ability to
> verbalize the reason of your hatred.

1) It's not an accent. Visit your nearest school and ask the speech
pathologist.

2) There is only one way to pronounce the word. Check any dictionary.

3) I have a real problem with people who take jobs they know they're not
qualified for, especially when it puts in jeopardy the lives of citizens who
just want to get through their day. This is why I don't claim to know how to
fly jets or do surgery.

Pan Ohco wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:38:48 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>
>>>No, that's not my contention at all. I do recognize that accents do vary
>>>though? I believe Jimmy Carter, who IS a nuclear expert, even had his own
>>>way of pronouncing it. Get over it.
>>
>>One persons sins don't validate another's. And, we're not discussing accents
>>here. Speech pathologists have a term for what Bush does to that word - I
>>don't recall what it is. But, it is not "regional color" or an accent, as
>>some people claim.
>>
>>I have a theory: Bush has been instructed by his sitter (Karl Rove) to
>>continue mispronouncing the word as much as he wants.
>
>
> I also have a theory.
> Doug Kanter hate George Bush so much, that he will slander the
> president no matter what.
> Doug if you have a problem with the president, bring out the reasons
> why. But to attack him because of his accent and his (to you)
> mispronunciation of a word, shows your lack of the ability to
> verbalize the reason of your hatred.

It *is* a mispronounciation. "nuclear" only has one "u" in it.

--

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Kevin_Sheehy wrote:
> Ubiquitous wrote on 11/30/2005:
>
> Is Food Network on the decline?
>
> <snip>
>
> Rhetorical question?

And also a relative question. The Scripps Company owns the Food
Network, along with the DIY Network, Fine LIving, Great American
Country (GAC), and House and Garden TV network. My bet is (and I
haven't tried to research it) that of all their networks, the Food
Network brings in the most cabbage. -aem

Kevin_Sheehy wrote:

> Is Food Network on the decline?
>
> <snip>
>
> Rhetorical question?

Yes.

Yes.

Spitz
--
"Home, James, and don't spare the horses!"

In article >, wrote:

>After seeing Robin "Crazy Eyes" Miller's new show and ads for Ray-Ray's
>numerous shows, it occurred to me that FN has been slowly replacing their
>real chefs with hacks who have no clue in a kitchen and shows which
>have little, if anything, to do with cooking. Has anyone else noticed
>this?

I don't watch FN that regularly anymore, but I do use the website, and am
genuinely surprised that Sara Moulton is no longer there. At least, that's
the impression I'm getting from Luciaphile's post. And Ming...I thought he
was relegated to the wee hours, but he's just not on at all?

The only show I still truly love is Good Eats, the style just suits me.
Even though I have little interest in regular cooking shows, I think that
there are many more people who would rather have those back, and if it
means getting rid of the endless cooking contest shows (sometimes they're
interesting, often they're not worth it), reality shows, and the "eat the
streets" type shows I'm all for more variety in cooking shows. I was
excited this weekend when I saw a tiny bit of "Good Deal" that started
early on my saved recording of "Good Eats" because I think a true
budget-conscious show that included a breakdown of costs would be
fantastic...but from reading the forum I see this is not really the case.

As for the "how do they make it" shows...I think they can be OK if they
were occasional SPECIALS...but they are on so often!

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:08:13 -0600, "Joseph"
> wrote:

> and if it
>means getting rid of the endless cooking contest shows (sometimes they're
>interesting, often they're not worth it),

A gingerbread competition is on right now! I watch few enough
that they are interesting for me. I think the other one I've seen is
the wedding cake one.

>reality shows, and the "eat the
>streets" type shows I'm all for more variety in cooking shows.

Let's fact it, reality shows are cheaper to produce and "somebody"
watches them or else they would cease to exist.
>
>As for the "how do they make it" shows...I think they can be OK if they
>were occasional SPECIALS...but they are on so often!

Not sure what you mean... a behind the scenes type show - like you get
as behind the scenes on DVD movies? Obviously I watch less than you
do.

"shawn" > wrote in message
...
> > Sarah still has some shows on the air, but they are all reruns (except
> for this new Christmas cooking show that stars many of the cooks from
> Food Network.) I'm not sure if Ming has any show in reruns on Food
> Network. Both Ming and Sarah do/will have shows available on many PBS
> stations. I know I've seen Ming's show on one of my local PBS stations
> before, and Sarah's will probably be starting up next year.

"Ming's Quest" still airs on Fine Living.

>>As for the "how do they make it" shows...I think they can be OK if they
>>were occasional SPECIALS...but they are on so often!
>
>
> Not sure what you mean... a behind the scenes type show - like you get
> as behind the scenes on DVD movies? Obviously I watch less than you
> do.

I read it as the "how do the manufacturer this product" shows like
Unwrapped.

--Charlene


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