Dee Randall wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>> Dee Randall wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> Nexis wrote:
>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>> "Nexis" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Fiblf.11217$Wu.3229@fed1read05...
>>>>>>>> Yours humbly and with thanks,
>>>>>>>> kimberly...considering begging her mom to come to town to take
>>>>>>>> care of her
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to get your Mum in!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not always practical... my "mum" is 13 hours away. And she
>>>>>> couldn't do much
>>>>>> about the flu, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few suggestions for Kimberly: Toast. Scramble some eggs. For
>>>>>> dinner make mac & cheese, even from a box - easy and comfort
>>>>>> food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a hot shower and wash your hair; you know you need one even
>>>>>> if you don't feel like taking one - you'll feel better and the
>>>>>> steam will help your
>>>>>> sinuses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh...spent so much time in hot showers, my skin's drying out! The
>>>>> steam helps for a bit, that's true, and we have *good* water
>>>>> pressure so it's almost like a massage. I wish we had a bathtub
>>>>> meant for
>>>>> people over 3 feet tall....*sigh*
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> kimberly
>>>>
>>>> I hate modern bathtubs! I'm only 5'3" and can't even stretch out!
>>>> Give me
>>>> a big old fashioned claw-foot tub any day!
>>>>
>>>> Hope you feel better soon.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>> Those old fashioned claw-foot's -- how do you keep the water off the
>>> floor? Now, the tubs in the Japanese business-man's hotel (in
>>> Japan), that I could go for. Deep and short.
>>> Dee Dee
>>
>> I've never been in a Japenese business-man's hotel. (??)
>>
>> Not sure what you mean about how do you keep the water off the floor
>> with the claw-foot tubs. Simply don't over fill the tub? Use a
>> bath mat?
>>
>> Jill <--confused
>
> I was speaking to 'soaking.'
> A claw-foot generally allows one to fill it up to stretch out and
> take a long soak thereby if you move an inch or two, out goes the
> water - in my experience.

Huh. I've never had that happen. Of course it's been a few years since I
rented a place with an old-fashioned deep tub like that.

> In a Japanese bathtub (in a business-man's hotel) one can't stretch
> out, but one can take a long soak (sitting up).

Sitting up does not a soak make, IMO, unless you just want to soak your butt


Jill

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message news:Omelet-7
>> >>
>> >> You do know the Flu (aka Influenza) is a generally virus and antibacterial
>> >> have
>> >> no effect on Viruses - maybe they should start feeding it to the Chickens
>> >> in
>> >> Asia.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dimitri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Colloidal silver is also anti-viral...
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> > --
>> > Om.
>> >
>>
>> WOW!
>>
>> Just How many HIV patients has it cured?
>>
>> I just love this crap!
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>>
>
> <lol> I would never go THAT far,
> but I do know that it's helped both me and dad with colds and flu's.
> It drastically shortens the duration if we use it at the first sign of a
> sore throat. ;-)
>
> Like any other "nutritional" treatment, it has it's limitations and many
> websites make rather sensationalistic claims for it!
>
> It's one reason we have no intention of ever jumping on the "sell it"
> band. It's cheap to make, so we give it away to freinds. No charge.
>
> Cheers!
> --

That's called anecdotal evidence

Dimitri



Anecdotal evidence is unreliable evidence based on personal observations and
experiences (often recounted by way of anecdote) that has not been empirically
tested, and which is often used in an argument as if it had been scientifically
or statistically proven. The person using anecdotal evidence may or may not be
aware of the fact that, by doing so, they are generalizing.
For example, a politician might publicly demand better teacher training
facilities because their own son or daughter happens to have a spectacularly
incompetent teacher, or conversely, might insist that schools are in fine shape
because their own son or daughter happens to have a singularly wonderful
teacher.
Anecdotal evidence is not fallacious per se; its characterization as unreliable
must be understood to mean unreliable with respect to the scientific method.
Many (perhaps most) true phenomena are first observed in the form of anecdotal
evidence. For example eating limes to prevent scurvy was supported by anecdotal
evidence for close to three centuries, beginning with the observations of James
Lind. The causative elements involved were only identified after the structure
of Vitamin C was discovered, and the link between Vitamin C and scurvy was only
proven scientifically in 1932 by Szent-Gyorgyi.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote

> I have also read and seen a story on television about people whose skin
> turned gray after using colloidal silver. There were photographs and
> interviews with several. It was eerie. The condition was said to be
> irreversible.

Wasn't that weird? I saw it too. The people looked like the
tin man on Wizard of OZ. Well, close enough. That's the first I
ever heard of people taking silver as a supplement.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote
>
>
>>I have also read and seen a story on television about people whose skin
>>turned gray after using colloidal silver. There were photographs and
>>interviews with several. It was eerie. The condition was said to be
>>irreversible.
>
>
> Wasn't that weird? I saw it too. The people looked like the
> tin man on Wizard of OZ. Well, close enough. That's the first I
> ever heard of people taking silver as a supplement.
>
> nancy

A risk of even topical silver (a particular cream we use on burns) is
that one risks superinfection and other potentially nasty problems like
leukopenia. I wouldn't take, suggest or go near some "home made" product
or use it on my own without professional guidance. To suggest, prepare
and provide it to others could also be misconstrued as practicing
medicine without a license.

On Tue 06 Dec 2005 05:25:01p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy Young?

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote
>
>> I have also read and seen a story on television about people whose skin
>> turned gray after using colloidal silver. There were photographs and
>> interviews with several. It was eerie. The condition was said to be
>> irreversible.
>
> Wasn't that weird? I saw it too. The people looked like the
> tin man on Wizard of OZ. Well, close enough. That's the first I
> ever heard of people taking silver as a supplement.

Yes, me too. It's one of the strangest things I've ever seen.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
_____________________________________________

A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

On Tue 06 Dec 2005 05:38:48p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Goomba38?

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote
>>
>>
>>>I have also read and seen a story on television about people whose skin
>>>turned gray after using colloidal silver. There were photographs and
>>>interviews with several. It was eerie. The condition was said to be
>>>irreversible.
>>
>>
>> Wasn't that weird? I saw it too. The people looked like the
>> tin man on Wizard of OZ. Well, close enough. That's the first I
>> ever heard of people taking silver as a supplement.
>>
>> nancy
>
> A risk of even topical silver (a particular cream we use on burns) is
> that one risks superinfection and other potentially nasty problems like
> leukopenia. I wouldn't take, suggest or go near some "home made" product
> or use it on my own without professional guidance. To suggest, prepare
> and provide it to others could also be misconstrued as practicing
> medicine without a license.

Curious... Goomba what is the function of topical silver as a burn
treatment?

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
_____________________________________________

A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/


What are the risks of using these products?
Animal studies have shown that silver builds up in the tissues of the body. In
humans, buildup of silver from colloidal silver can lead to a side effect called
argyria. It causes a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, other organs, deep
tissues, nails, and gums. Argyria cannot be treated or reversed, and it is
permanent. While it is not known how argyria occurs, it is thought that silver
combines with protein, forming complexes that deposit in the skin and are
processed by sunlight (as in traditional photography).6,7 Other side effects
from using colloidal silver products may include neurologic problems (such as
seizures), kidney damage, stomach distress, headaches, fatigue, and skin
irritation. Colloidal silver may interfere with the body's absorption of the
following drugs: penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine.5

****************************

A cure for the FLU.

Right!

Dimitri

Wayne Boatwright wrote:


>>A risk of even topical silver (a particular cream we use on burns) is
>>that one risks superinfection and other potentially nasty problems like
>>leukopenia. I wouldn't take, suggest or go near some "home made" product
>>or use it on my own without professional guidance. To suggest, prepare
>>and provide it to others could also be misconstrued as practicing
>>medicine without a license.
>
>
> Curious... Goomba what is the function of topical silver as a burn
> treatment?
>

We're talking major burns here, Wayne. These folks are at extreme risk
for picking up bacteria and fungal infections that can be devistating
and this cream is used to treat directly. With time the body absorbs and
it can certainly cause problems. It is a miracle cream (Silver
sulfadiazine), but don't get me wrong. But it is not used casually. It
is also quite expensive.

On Tue 06 Dec 2005 06:07:56p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Goomba38?

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>
>>>A risk of even topical silver (a particular cream we use on burns) is
>>>that one risks superinfection and other potentially nasty problems like
>>>leukopenia. I wouldn't take, suggest or go near some "home made" product
>>>or use it on my own without professional guidance. To suggest, prepare
>>>and provide it to others could also be misconstrued as practicing
>>>medicine without a license.
>>
>>
>> Curious... Goomba what is the function of topical silver as a burn
>> treatment?
>>
>
> We're talking major burns here, Wayne. These folks are at extreme risk
> for picking up bacteria and fungal infections that can be devistating
> and this cream is used to treat directly. With time the body absorbs and
> it can certainly cause problems. It is a miracle cream (Silver
> sulfadiazine), but don't get me wrong. But it is not used casually. It
> is also quite expensive.

Thanks, Goomba, that's really interesting. For some reason I did think it
had some anti-fungal properties, but didn't know about the bacteria. We're
talking burns with skin/tissue loss, right? Thanks.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
_____________________________________________

A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

Goomba38 wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>
>>> A risk of even topical silver (a particular cream we use on burns)
>>> is that one risks superinfection and other potentially nasty problems
>>> like leukopenia. I wouldn't take, suggest or go near some "home made"
>>> product or use it on my own without professional guidance. To
>>> suggest, prepare and provide it to others could also be misconstrued
>>> as practicing medicine without a license.
>>
>>
>>
>> Curious... Goomba what is the function of topical silver as a burn
>> treatment?
>>
>
> We're talking major burns here, Wayne. These folks are at extreme risk
> for picking up bacteria and fungal infections that can be devistating
> and this cream is used to treat directly. With time the body absorbs and
> it can certainly cause problems. It is a miracle cream (Silver
> sulfadiazine), but don't get me wrong. But it is not used casually. It
> is also quite expensive.

My father used to have a tiny little jar of the stuff, and when I once
got a bad burn when I was younger, my folks put a little on it.

--

saerah

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what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:43:41 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:

>Ok, going on day 17 of this flu thing. My doc is up in arms because it's
>really screwing with my BG levels, and I'm out of ideas for things to eat
>that don't take any effort. ha ha.
>Made a huge pot of soup, that's been used for both chicken & noodles and
>tortilla, with the last bit of stock used for a spicy wonton soup to try to
>clear my head. Most foods are not the least bit appealing, but I'm quickly
>finding that eating nothing isn't any better.
>
>This flu thing goes a little like this: In the morning, congestion, both
>chest and sinus. Soon after, nausea and sinus draining. As if all of this
>isn't fun enough, there's round the clock coughing (started last Thursday),
>and fevers ranging from 101 to 105.8*f according to the aural thermometer.
>Aching and chills too, oh joy! So, I'm sure any one of you can see how
>cooking isn't a priority at the moment, yet take out doesn't appeal either.
>My husband cooked for a few days, but now he's got it too. Any ideas?? The
>stomach upset rules out alot of things, but any ideas are welcome.
>
>Yours humbly and with thanks,
>kimberly...considering begging her mom to come to town to take care of her
>
Man that sounds bad. My initial idea was to spice the hell out of
everything. Garlic for the germ stuff and ginger for the appetite and
chiles for the expectorant and yumminess of it all.

Mostly I'd guess you need a lot of rest, though. I sure hope your mom
can come help out.


modom

Kimberly, you poor thing. You have my sympathy. My husband & I had
that flu thing in early October; took us about 3 weeks to get over it
but was weak as all get out for another 2 to 3 weeks. We practically
lived on chicken soup and V-8 Juice. I don't think there is any
"miracle" food out there; none that I know of anyway. Take care and do
get lots of rest. Carol

Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we
are here, we may as well dance!

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I hate modern bathtubs! I'm only 5'3" and can't even stretch out! Give me
> a big old fashioned claw-foot tub any day!
>
> Hope you feel better soon.
>
> Jill
>
>

ha! the one time I had a claw foot tub I was cramped up in it and it wouldn't
retain heat and i'm 5'0". My tub now is almost perfect, I just hover around in
there and read my books.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Dee Randall wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> Dee Randall wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>>> Nexis wrote:
>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Nexis" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:Fiblf.11217$Wu.3229@fed1read05...
>>>>>>>>> Yours humbly and with thanks,
>>>>>>>>> kimberly...considering begging her mom to come to town to take
>>>>>>>>> care of her
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to get your Mum in!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not always practical... my "mum" is 13 hours away. And she
>>>>>>> couldn't do much
>>>>>>> about the flu, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few suggestions for Kimberly: Toast. Scramble some eggs. For
>>>>>>> dinner make mac & cheese, even from a box - easy and comfort
>>>>>>> food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a hot shower and wash your hair; you know you need one even
>>>>>>> if you don't feel like taking one - you'll feel better and the
>>>>>>> steam will help your
>>>>>>> sinuses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heh...spent so much time in hot showers, my skin's drying out! The
>>>>>> steam helps for a bit, that's true, and we have *good* water
>>>>>> pressure so it's almost like a massage. I wish we had a bathtub
>>>>>> meant for
>>>>>> people over 3 feet tall....*sigh*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> kimberly
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate modern bathtubs! I'm only 5'3" and can't even stretch out!
>>>>> Give me
>>>>> a big old fashioned claw-foot tub any day!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you feel better soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>> Those old fashioned claw-foot's -- how do you keep the water off the
>>>> floor? Now, the tubs in the Japanese business-man's hotel (in
>>>> Japan), that I could go for. Deep and short.
>>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>> I've never been in a Japenese business-man's hotel. (??)
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean about how do you keep the water off the floor
>>> with the claw-foot tubs. Simply don't over fill the tub? Use a
>>> bath mat?
>>>
>>> Jill <--confused
>>
>> I was speaking to 'soaking.'
>> A claw-foot generally allows one to fill it up to stretch out and
>> take a long soak thereby if you move an inch or two, out goes the
>> water - in my experience.
>
> Huh. I've never had that happen. Of course it's been a few years since I
> rented a place with an old-fashioned deep tub like that.
>
>> In a Japanese bathtub (in a business-man's hotel) one can't stretch
>> out, but one can take a long soak (sitting up).
>
> Sitting up does not a soak make, IMO, unless you just want to soak your
> butt
>
>
> Jill
>
True -- but the Japanese tub I'm speaking of when you are sitting in it, the
water came up to my shoulders. Kinda like sitting in a cramped hot tub.
But good.
Dee Dee

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:04:45 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:

>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> For the nausea, make a packet of jello, but use only hot water. Once
>> the powder is dissolved, drink the hot jello like you would broth or
>> tea. It's very soothing on the stomach, and if you do toss it back
>> up, it'll taste better than bile would have. It's between you and
>> your doctor whether you use regular or sugar-free.
>
>I could've used the jell-o trick when I was pregnant I'll try that today.

Please let me know if you had a chance to try it, and if it helped
you. How are you feeling today?

Carol
--

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/head_trollop/my_photos

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:04:45 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:
>
>>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>> For the nausea, make a packet of jello, but use only hot water. Once
>>> the powder is dissolved, drink the hot jello like you would broth or
>>> tea. It's very soothing on the stomach, and if you do toss it back
>>> up, it'll taste better than bile would have. It's between you and
>>> your doctor whether you use regular or sugar-free.
>>
>>I could've used the jell-o trick when I was pregnant I'll try that
>>today.
>
> Please let me know if you had a chance to try it, and if it helped
> you. How are you feeling today?
>
> Carol
> --
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/head_trollop/my_photos

Carol,

I did, and it helped the nausea almost right away it seemed. I was actually
able to eat last night! Yay me! lol
Today is a little better, except my sinuses hurt like crazy. Thanks again
for the recipes and advice

kimberly

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:04:23 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:

>
>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:04:45 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:
>>
>>>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> For the nausea, make a packet of jello, but use only hot water. Once
>>>> the powder is dissolved, drink the hot jello like you would broth or
>>>> tea. It's very soothing on the stomach, and if you do toss it back
>>>> up, it'll taste better than bile would have. It's between you and
>>>> your doctor whether you use regular or sugar-free.
>>>
>>>I could've used the jell-o trick when I was pregnant I'll try that
>>>today.
>>
>> Please let me know if you had a chance to try it, and if it helped
>> you. How are you feeling today?
>
>Carol,
>
>I did, and it helped the nausea almost right away it seemed. I was actually
>able to eat last night! Yay me! lol

I am SO glad it helped! It sounds really weird, but it works! Did
you use regular or sugar-free? I've only tried it with regular, but
as a fellow diabetic, I'd be interested in whether or not the sugar
free stuff does the trick or not.

>Today is a little better, except my sinuses hurt like crazy. Thanks again
>for the recipes and advice
>
>kimberly

Sinus pain is horrendous. Here's hoping for a better day tomorrow.

Carol
--

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/head_trollop/my_photos

In article >,
"Dee Randall" > wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message

> > Sitting up does not a soak make, IMO, unless you just want to soak your
> > butt

> True -- but the Japanese tub I'm speaking of when you are sitting in it, the
> water came up to my shoulders. Kinda like sitting in a cramped hot tub.

Sounds good. Really good.

Have to be careful with the Japanese, though. Their bathrooms don't
work the same. My office partner took in some Japanese students (we
live in the US). She was warned about this. A lot of US bathrooms have
a heater vent in the floor. Sometimes the Japanese students think these
are drains. They don't use the shower curtain. They think the water
will just go down the "drain". Not good for the furnace.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

In article >,
"Dee Randall" > wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
> > Dee Randall wrote:
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >>> Nexis wrote:
> >>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...

> >>> I hate modern bathtubs! I'm only 5'3" and can't even stretch out!
> >>> Give me
> >>> a big old fashioned claw-foot tub any day!
> >>>
> >>> Hope you feel better soon.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>>
> >> Those old fashioned claw-foot's -- how do you keep the water off the
> >> floor? Now, the tubs in the Japanese business-man's hotel (in Japan),
> >> that I could go for. Deep and short.
> >> Dee Dee
> >
> > I've never been in a Japenese business-man's hotel. (??)
> >
> > Not sure what you mean about how do you keep the water off the floor with
> > the claw-foot tubs. Simply don't over fill the tub? Use a bath mat?
> >
> > Jill <--confused
>
> I was speaking to 'soaking.'
> A claw-foot generally allows one to fill it up to stretch out and take a
> long soak thereby if you move an inch or two, out goes the water - in my
> experience.

Not my experience at all. Every tub I've ever seen here in the US has
an overflow drain, including the claw foot ones. Once you get to within
about six inches of the top, the water just drains out. Both for the
claw foot tub we used as kids, and my current tub, it would be almost
impossible to overflow the tub.

Do you think the drain was blocked?

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA