"The Bubbo" > wrote in message
...
>I just talked to my mom and she insisted that I not replace it until it
>goes
> on sale. She says what you all said, it's meant to be used and as such, in
> danger of being broken. She occasionally laments that her Christmas china
> is
> cracked and chipped but knows that every crack and chip is earned because
> she
> uses them.
>
> So I'll wait until I can find it for cheap.

I've heard the Japanese say that once there is a chip, dent, anything
repaired, then you can call it yours or feel that it's yours. Same thing, I
guess.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:
>>I LOVE my dishwasher! I do pots and pans by hand, so the dishwasher
>>is reserved entirely for real dishes. When it's just the two of us,
>>it runs every 3 or 4 days.
>>
>
>
> No wonder I'm overweight. When DH is away, I still do 2 loads of dishes in 3
> days. I do pots and pans, knives, and the little goffy things by hand. I
> guess I'm one of those that need 2 dishwashers, but that'll never happen.
> Dee Dee
>
>

in our house, it depends on who's doing the dishes. If it is me, we
don't run the dishwasher. Ours doesn't get things clean unless you rinse
them well, and if you are doing that, I think you might as well wash
'em. Rob just chucks 'em in the dishwasher, and handwashes pots and knives.

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disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
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what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
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> I don't see anything wrong with keeping special stuff for special
> occasions. Or with having a matched set of dishes, for that matter.
> Doesn't mean your every day stuff is schlock, just that it is sturdier.
> What's wrong with that.
>
> nancy

Nope, nothing wrong. It's like having Sunday-go-to-meetin' clothes. And
there are times we like to honor others with what we consider the loveliest
we can present.
Dee Dee

On Tue 27 Dec 2005 10:02:35p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Dee
Randall?

>
>>
>> I LOVE my dishwasher! I do pots and pans by hand, so the dishwasher
>> is reserved entirely for real dishes. When it's just the two of us,
>> it runs every 3 or 4 days.
>>
>
> No wonder I'm overweight. When DH is away, I still do 2 loads of dishes
> in 3 days. I do pots and pans, knives, and the little goffy things by
> hand. I guess I'm one of those that need 2 dishwashers, but that'll
> never happen. Dee Dee

There is just the two of us, but I do last least 1 load of dishes a day
sometimes 2. I do put the pots and pans in the dishwasher and most gadgets,
but never my knives.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________ ________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

The Bubbo wrote:
> After much finagling and sibling rivalry I managed to inherit my mother's
> Wedgwood china (I think my argument that my mom gave my sister the Saab was
> pretty much the end of the debate). I've had this china since May and Friday
> night was the first time I'd really gotten to use it.
>
> I had a complete set of Wedgwood before, but my ex got that in the Great
> Division of Property (I also lost my KA food processor, but I got the buffet
> crammed full of serving dishes).
>
> After the night of the first real use, David accidentally drops a bread plate
> and shatters it. I'm not mad, i know it was an accident, but that damned
> thing, that small 6 inch plate, costs $23 plus shipping.
>
> Dammit.

Check Ebay periodically or make a "favorite search" item so you'll be
notified when that particular pattern is offered. Most of the time,
it's quite inexpensive compared with a regular retailer.

N.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...


> When we were first married we went with A Franciscan pattern. A few pieces
> got
> broken, and when I went to replace them I found that the pattern had been
> discontinued. When we got down to the point where we needed a new set, I
> chose
> a Johnson Bros. pattern that had been around for years. Damned if that
> pattern
> suddenly got pulled. So when we ran low on cups and saucers it was time
> to
> look for another pattern. We really liked another Johnson Bros. pattern
> and
> bought 8 settings of it. We broke two plates within the first 6 months so
> I
> headed back to the store to order replacements. Son of a gun, that pattern
> had
> been discontinued.

You're obviously a jinx

Thank goodness there is a place not too far from here were
> there is a good stock of some of the discontinued patterns and we got the
> replacements. We thought that we were out of luck, but my wife discovered
> that
> there were bread and butter plates available in that pattern, which was
> odd,
> because when we originally bought the place settings there were no bread
> and
> butter plates in that pattern. My wife ordered a bunch of them for herself
> for
> Christmas.

I used to live in the Potteries area of the UK Midlands, where there were
quite a few shops selling "seconds" and bits of discontinued lines. That was
the only time I had the chance of owning full sets - but I was a student at
the time, and china doesn't survive too well in student households ....

Jani

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:31:15 GMT, "P.Aitken" > wrote:
>
>> This makes me think of an approach to "china" - and glassware too - that
>> I have heard of, and seen, but not done myself. It totally abandons the
>> idea that everything must match. Rather, you buy individual pieces as
>> they strike your fancy. Dinner plates, bread plates, bowls, serving
>> platters, and so on will all be different - but each one will be
>> gorgeous (if you have good taste). It makes for a very attractive table
>> and totally removes the worry of breaking a piece from a matching set.

A friend of mine did that with dinner plates. Every one different, and every
one from a very elegant, very expensive range.

>
> Not if you have OCD. ROFLMAO!!!!
>
> Carol, who'd never be able to live with mismatched dishes

Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. His dinner table, beautiful though it was,
would *not* have appealed to you

Jani

"Leila" > wrote in message
oups.com...

[]
> Dan - if you ever come to my house for dinner, you are welcome to use
> the porcelain dinner plates and mismatching dessert dishes. If I forget
> and serve you on the bone china, remind me and I'll switch ya.

*chuckle* I once lived in a student house where "mismatched china" was a
total understatement, since we'd all contributed whatever bits and pieces
parents and relatives had passed on to us. One of the girls went out to make
coffee one time, and called back from the kitchen, "Which cup would you
like - Aynsley, Royal Doulton, Denby or Chipped Anonymous?"

Jani

"Jani" > wrote

>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:31:15 GMT, "P.Aitken" > wrote:

> A friend of mine did that with dinner plates. Every one different, and
> every one from a very elegant, very expensive range.

> Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. His dinner table, beautiful though it
> was, would *not* have appealed to you

That can be beautiful, if you have an eye for that sort of thing.

I once went to a restaurant with that kind of thing only schlocky ... for
instance no two people had like drinking glasses, most of them were
mugs you'd get from work with the logo? that kind of thing. You know,
the kind of thing I use to keep vinegar in by the cat litter. Garbage.
I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.

Guess my 'fun' gene doesn't include flea market reject dinnerware.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jani" > wrote
>
>>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:31:15 GMT, "P.Aitken" > wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine did that with dinner plates. Every one different, and
>> every one from a very elegant, very expensive range.
>
>> Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. His dinner table, beautiful though it
>> was, would *not* have appealed to you
>
> That can be beautiful, if you have an eye for that sort of thing.
>
> I once went to a restaurant with that kind of thing only schlocky ... for
> instance no two people had like drinking glasses, most of them were
> mugs you'd get from work with the logo? that kind of thing. You know,
> the kind of thing I use to keep vinegar in by the cat litter. Garbage.
> I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.
>
> Guess my 'fun' gene doesn't include flea market reject dinnerware.

Oh, gosh, no, it doesn't work if you have cheapo stuff. The whole point is
that everything is *nice*.

(I have to ask - why do you keep vinegar by the cat litter?)

Jani

"Jani" > wrote
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> I once went to a restaurant with that kind of thing only schlocky ... for
>> instance no two people had like drinking glasses, most of them were
>> mugs you'd get from work with the logo? that kind of thing. You know,
>> the kind of thing I use to keep vinegar in by the cat litter. Garbage.
>> I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.
>>
>> Guess my 'fun' gene doesn't include flea market reject dinnerware.
>
> Oh, gosh, no, it doesn't work if you have cheapo stuff. The whole point is
> that everything is *nice*.
>
> (I have to ask - why do you keep vinegar by the cat litter?)

(laugh) Funny, I said it without even batting an eye someone might think
that was odd. It absorbs odor. I just get the cheapo half gallon (?) jugs
of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Jani" > wrote
>
>>"Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>
>>>I once went to a restaurant with that kind of thing only schlocky ... for
>>>instance no two people had like drinking glasses, most of them were
>>>mugs you'd get from work with the logo? that kind of thing. You know,
>>>the kind of thing I use to keep vinegar in by the cat litter. Garbage.
>>>I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.
>>>
>>>Guess my 'fun' gene doesn't include flea market reject dinnerware.
>>
>>Oh, gosh, no, it doesn't work if you have cheapo stuff. The whole point is
>>that everything is *nice*.
>>
>>(I have to ask - why do you keep vinegar by the cat litter?)
>
>
> (laugh) Funny, I said it without even batting an eye someone might think
> that was odd. It absorbs odor. I just get the cheapo half gallon (?) jugs
> of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.
>
> nancy
>
>

I have a gallon jug of white vinegar that I mainly use for cleaning, but
cook with sometimes. I was making something (I forget what) a few weeks
ago, and my daughter interrupted me with "no, mama! that vinegar is for
cleaning!"


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disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
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"sarah bennett" > wrote in

> Nancy Young wrote:

>> (laugh) Funny, I said it without even batting an eye someone might think
>> that was odd. It absorbs odor. I just get the cheapo half gallon (?)
>> jugs
>> of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.

> I have a gallon jug of white vinegar that I mainly use for cleaning, but
> cook with sometimes. I was making something (I forget what) a few weeks
> ago, and my daughter interrupted me with "no, mama! that vinegar is for
> cleaning!"

Oh, that's so funny. Cute. I know what she means, I do use it on
occasion for food but there is that ... this is for cat litter! moment.

nancy

sarah bennett wrote:

> I have a gallon jug of white vinegar that I mainly use for cleaning, but
> cook with sometimes. I was making something (I forget what) a few weeks
> ago, and my daughter interrupted me with "no, mama! that vinegar is for
> cleaning!"
>

I have a similar problem with my wife. I guy cheap vinegar for cleaning and the
odd bit of cooking. I keep some in a little shaper that is handy when I need to
measure out a tablespoon or so, or to shake onto the counter to clean. I also
buy high test vinegar, but I get that primarily for cleaning my water distiller.
It is much stronger, more acid in it to decalcify the boiler and coils in the
boiling chamber.

Dave Smith wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
> > I have a gallon jug of white vinegar that I mainly use for cleaning, but
> > cook with sometimes. I was making something (I forget what) a few weeks
> > ago, and my daughter interrupted me with "no, mama! that vinegar is for
> > cleaning!"
>
>
> I have a similar problem with my wife.

Nah... you really didn't say that. <G>

Sheldon

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jani" > wrote


>> (I have to ask - why do you keep vinegar by the cat litter?)
>
> (laugh) Funny, I said it without even batting an eye someone might think
> that was odd. It absorbs odor. I just get the cheapo half gallon (?)
> jugs
> of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.

So, you just sprinkle it on the litter, or swoosh out the tray with it
before refilling? Seriously, I've never heard of that one. I use a
litter-freshener powder which is pretty expensive, but having just managed
to re-house-train one of my cats after she was ill, I'm a bit reluctant to
do *anything* which might discourage her from the tray by smelling weird or
different.

(Sorry about that, non-cat-people. Cat people will understand the problem, I
think

Jani

"Jani" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> (laugh) Funny, I said it without even batting an eye someone might think
>> that was odd. It absorbs odor. I just get the cheapo half gallon (?)
>> jugs
>> of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.
>
> So, you just sprinkle it on the litter, or swoosh out the tray with it
> before refilling?

No! I put some in a mug and put it (out of sight) near the offending
stink.

> Seriously, I've never heard of that one. I use a litter-freshener powder
> which is pretty expensive, but having just managed to re-house-train one
> of my cats after she was ill, I'm a bit reluctant to do *anything* which
> might discourage her from the tray by smelling weird or different.

You *for sure* don't want to put the vinegar in the litter. No way.
And maybe you don't want to try it now, given the circumstances.

Vinegar does neutralize odor, to whatever extent. People who
smoke will keep it in cups/whatever here and there.

nancy

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:09:43 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> I once went to a restaurant with that kind of thing only schlocky ... for
> instance no two people had like drinking glasses, most of them were
> mugs you'd get from work with the logo? that kind of thing. You know,
> the kind of thing I use to keep vinegar in by the cat litter. Garbage.
> I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.
>
> Guess my 'fun' gene doesn't include flea market reject dinnerware.

Gotta agree with you there. I think it's fun to drink from canning
jars, but at least they match!

Carol

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:46:28 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> "Jani" > wrote
>
> > (I have to ask - why do you keep vinegar by the cat litter?)
>
> (laugh) Funny, I said it without even batting an eye someone might think
> that was odd. It absorbs odor. I just get the cheapo half gallon (?) jugs
> of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.

THANK YOU, Nancy. I'll get a few gallons and set them around in my
basement. As I'm able, I'll use it directly on the floor.

Carol

>
> Vinegar does neutralize odor, to whatever extent. People who
> smoke will keep it in cups/whatever here and there.
>
> nancy
No one in our home smokes, but I did try this little vinegar trick to
refresh the house over a period of about a month. I never noticed any
difference except to smell vinegar, or hear someone say, "What's that
smell?" I stopped using it -- it was a bore, refreshing the bowls.
Dee Dee

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:07:42 -0500, "Dee Randall"
> wrote:

>No one in our home smokes, but I did try this little vinegar trick to
>refresh the house over a period of about a month. I never noticed any
>difference except to smell vinegar, or hear someone say, "What's that
>smell?"

Yeah. I don't use vinegar to deodorize things, because then they just
smell like vinegar, and that's just weird to me.

serene

Dee Randall wrote:
> >
> > Vinegar does neutralize odor, to whatever extent. People who
> > smoke will keep it in cups/whatever here and there.
> >
> > nancy
> No one in our home smokes, but I did try this little vinegar trick to
> refresh the house over a period of about a month. I never noticed any
> difference except to smell vinegar, or hear someone say, "What's that
> smell?" I stopped using it -- it was a bore, refreshing the bowls.

That's because you forgot the garlic cloves.

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:09:43 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I once went to a restaurant with that kind of thing only schlocky ... for
>>instance no two people had like drinking glasses, most of them were
>>mugs you'd get from work with the logo? that kind of thing. You know,
>>the kind of thing I use to keep vinegar in by the cat litter. Garbage.
>>I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.
>>
>>Guess my 'fun' gene doesn't include flea market reject dinnerware.
>
>
> Gotta agree with you there. I think it's fun to drink from canning
> jars, but at least they match!
>
> Carol

Here in North Carolina the state liquor stores sell "moonshine" in
bottles designed to look like canning jars, with a fake "hand printed"
label." No, I have never been tempted.

Peter

Nancy wrote:

> I fought the urge to wash all my plates, they all made me think dirty.

Maybe dirty thoughts were the objective.

Bob

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:17:01 -0800, serene >
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:07:42 -0500, "Dee Randall"
> > wrote:
>
> >No one in our home smokes, but I did try this little vinegar trick to
> >refresh the house over a period of about a month. I never noticed any
> >difference except to smell vinegar, or hear someone say, "What's that
> >smell?"
>
> Yeah. I don't use vinegar to deodorize things, because then they just
> smell like vinegar, and that's just weird to me.

Try dabbing vinegar on a bad sunburn with cotton balls. Sounds and
smells weird, but it helps relieve the pain.

(Those little sticks of dab-on liquid that you put on mosquito bites
contain merely ammonia - save some money.)

Carol

In article >,
Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:

> > of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.
>
> THANK YOU, Nancy. I'll get a few gallons and set them around in my
> basement. As I'm able, I'll use it directly on the floor.
>
> Carol

If it's mold, you're masking a serious problem, Carol. You've got to
get rid of the mold.
--
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serene wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:07:42 -0500, "Dee Randall"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>No one in our home smokes, but I did try this little vinegar trick to
>>refresh the house over a period of about a month. I never noticed any
>>difference except to smell vinegar, or hear someone say, "What's that
>>smell?"
>
>
> Yeah. I don't use vinegar to deodorize things, because then they just
> smell like vinegar, and that's just weird to me.

If you have pets or small children, vinegar applied to urine stains and
later rinsed and blotted up gets most of the smell out. (i.e. as long as
you don't have your nose to the carpet, it's fine). no vinegar smell.
works in the wash, too.

--

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http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:07:00 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

> In article >,
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>
> > > of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.
> >
> > THANK YOU, Nancy. I'll get a few gallons and set them around in my
> > basement. As I'm able, I'll use it directly on the floor.
>
> If it's mold, you're masking a serious problem, Carol. You've got to
> get rid of the mold.

Wanna come down and help me scrub the basement floor and walls?

Carol

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:59:59 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress
> wrote:

>Try dabbing vinegar on a bad sunburn with cotton balls. Sounds and
>smells weird, but it helps relieve the pain.
>

Yep. We've always used vinegar for sunburn, which is good, because I
get a lot of sunburns. I'm a prime candidate for skin cancer. Oy.

serene

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:08:35 GMT, sarah bennett
> wrote:

>serene wrote:

>> Yeah. I don't use vinegar to deodorize things, because then they just
>> smell like vinegar, and that's just weird to me.
>
>If you have pets or small children, vinegar applied to urine stains and
>later rinsed and blotted up gets most of the smell out. (i.e. as long as
>you don't have your nose to the carpet, it's fine). no vinegar smell.
>works in the wash, too.

My method is to avoid having pets or small children. :-)

serene

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:31:17 -0800, serene >
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:59:59 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress
> > wrote:
>
> >Try dabbing vinegar on a bad sunburn with cotton balls. Sounds and
> >smells weird, but it helps relieve the pain.
>
> Yep. We've always used vinegar for sunburn, which is good, because I
> get a lot of sunburns. I'm a prime candidate for skin cancer. Oy.

I burn easily, too. My skin is very light. So I don't go out much.

Carol

In article >,
Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:07:00 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
> >
> > > > of white vinegar for that. Helps with musty odors, too.
> > >
> > > THANK YOU, Nancy. I'll get a few gallons and set them around in my
> > > basement. As I'm able, I'll use it directly on the floor.
> >
> > If it's mold, you're masking a serious problem, Carol. You've got to
> > get rid of the mold.
>
> Wanna come down and help me scrub the basement floor and walls?
>
> Carol

Nope.
--
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serene wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:08:35 GMT, sarah bennett
> > wrote:
>
>
>>serene wrote:
>
>
>>>Yeah. I don't use vinegar to deodorize things, because then they just
>>>smell like vinegar, and that's just weird to me.
>>
>>If you have pets or small children, vinegar applied to urine stains and
>>later rinsed and blotted up gets most of the smell out. (i.e. as long as
>>you don't have your nose to the carpet, it's fine). no vinegar smell.
>>works in the wash, too.
>
>
> My method is to avoid having pets or small children. :-)

whatever works

--

saerah

http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

Dee Randall wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in
> message ...
>> In article >,
>> The Bubbo > wrote:
>>
>>> P.Aitken wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sounds like this china is nothing but a source of worry for
>>>> you. Why bother - to impress people? It is meant to be used, and
>>>> therefore will get broken. Enjoy it and accept the inevitable
>>>> breakage - or put it on display where it is safe.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>
>>> welcome to the wonderful world that is me where I worry about
>>> everything and
>>> everything is a source of anxiety.
>>>
>>> I like the china, I like to eat off it and I like servinbg on it. I
>>> think it's
>>> pretty. I know things will break but I'd like to keep the 8 place
>>> settings
>>> that I have complete.
>>
>> And don't let anyone try to convince you that there's anything wrong
>> with that plan, Kiddo. Sure, they break if not handled carefully.
>> And those "special occasion only" things are often what 'make' the
>> memory. Nice to recall when you're older. A friend has her mom's
>> Haviland china - it is very, very beautiful - and she uses it for
>> Christmas, I think. And she washes it by hand - alone. Puts a towel
>> at the bottom of the sink. And you can bet that she remembers her
>> mom and those special
>> times when she does. A person could do worse.
>
> Haviland is the old china I have inherited that I said the
> replacement for the tureen was $$$. It is old, thin and fragile.
> And it has been used by the family, well used. But I am very careful
> of it.
> I remember when I was a teen that we visited a home for dinner, the
> likes of which I'd never seen before, and they insisted that I come
> in to dry the crystal. I don't know what they were thinking. They
> told me to be careful, but I didn't even know what crystal was, but
> from their admonitions, I knew it was dear.
> Dee Dee

My Mom broke out the crystal (pardon the pun) for Thanksgiving and
Christmas. I knew it was to be handled carefully from the time I was a
young teen and first allowed a sip of that god-awful stuff she called wine.
(She served either Mateuse, a red as dry as the Sahara, or Mogen David, so
sweet it was like cough syrup. But I digress.) I was to inheirit this
lovely wedding crystal of hers. She had crystal stemware for all things;
water goblets, wine glasses, glasses for apertifs, snifters for brandy...
filled two shelves in the sideboard.

When they moved in 1986 she had packed everything in the sideboard except
the crystal. The moving guys didn't bother to open the doors to check, just
lifted it up and CRASH! Every bit of crystal from 1951 was smashed. Sure,
she got a check from their liability insurance company. But the pattern had
been discontinued years before. And a check cannot replace something that
had been used with love and care for (at that point) 35 years. (sigh)

Jill

Yoo Hoo, Jill, didn't you see my other post?

jmcquown wrote:
>
> My Mom broke out the crystal (pardon the pun) for Thanksgiving and
> Christmas. I knew it was to be handled carefully from the time I was a
> young teen and first allowed a sip of that god-awful stuff she called wine.
> (She served either Mateuse, a red as dry as the Sahara, or Mogen David, so
> Jill

Don't we have a joke going here about the green peacocks? I'm
disappointed you won't play along!

Fond regards and Happy New Year
Leila

I was to inheirit this
> lovely wedding crystal of hers. She had crystal stemware for all things;
> water goblets, wine glasses, glasses for apertifs, snifters for brandy...
> filled two shelves in the sideboard.
>
> When they moved in 1986 she had packed everything in the sideboard except
> the crystal. The moving guys didn't bother to open the doors to check,
> just
> lifted it up and CRASH! Every bit of crystal from 1951 was smashed.
> Sure,
> she got a check from their liability insurance company. But the pattern
> had
> been discontinued years before. And a check cannot replace something that
> had been used with love and care for (at that point) 35 years. (sigh)
>
> Jill

To digress: I hate hate hate movers. I've more tales than I want to think
about. The worst was my Steinway piano, the moving guy had a belt on that
protected his back, and he gouged the side of the piano in a number of
places with the belt buckle. Local movers in Hawaii -- no insurance was
available. The gouges are still there. As the Japanese say, it's 'mine'
now.

I'm sorry you don't have the crystal. That can really hurt the heart!
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:
>
> I hate hate hate movers. I've more tales than I want to think
> about. The worst was my Steinway piano, the moving guy had a belt on that
> protected his back, and he gouged the side of the piano in a number of
> places with the belt buckle. Local movers in Hawaii -- no insurance was
> available. The gouges are still there.

That's pure bullshit. I've had pianos moved, my brother has had his
concert grand Steinway moved all over the planet, just recently moved
it from Florida to Argentina. All the major moving companys offer
insurance everywhere, and they have their own professional piano movers
or they secure them from a private piano company. No one who knows
anything about pianos allows a no account furniture schlepper to touch
a Steinway. Your story sounds more like you paid a couple of local
thugs with a pick up truck a few bucks to move your cartons of crap, a
Steinway in your dreams.

http://steinway.com/index.shtml

Sheldon wrote:

>
> That's pure bullshit. I've had pianos moved, my brother has had his
> concert grand Steinway moved all over the planet, just recently moved
> it from Florida to Argentina. All the major moving companys offer
> insurance everywhere, and they have their own professional piano movers
> or they secure them from a private piano company. No one who knows
> anything about pianos allows a no account furniture schlepper to touch
> a Steinway. Your story sounds more like you paid a couple of local
> thugs with a pick up truck a few bucks to move your cartons of crap, a
> Steinway in your dreams.

When trucking was deregulated (re-regulated), household moving was one thing
that was still regulated. There were still lots of unlicensed moving companies
moving furniture, and from my experience in the enforcement business, they were
among the worst operators. But moving is a big expense and lots of people are
eager to give them their business because they are cheap.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> >
> > That's pure bullshit. I've had pianos moved, my brother has had his
> > concert grand Steinway moved all over the planet, just recently moved
> > it from Florida to Argentina. All the major moving companys offer
> > insurance everywhere, and they have their own professional piano movers
> > or they secure them from a private piano company. No one who knows
> > anything about pianos allows a no account furniture schlepper to touch
> > a Steinway. Your story sounds more like you paid a couple of local
> > thugs with a pick up truck a few bucks to move your cartons of crap, a
> > Steinway in your dreams.
>
> When trucking was deregulated (re-regulated), household moving was one thing
> that was still regulated. There were still lots of unlicensed moving companies
> moving furniture, and from my experience in the enforcement business, they were
> among the worst operators. But moving is a big expense and lots of people are
> eager to give them their business because they are cheap.

That's all well and good if essentially what you're moving is schlock
furniture and cartons of crap, then you hire the local Thug Brothers.
But you totally miss/dismiss the point about "No one who knows anything
about pianos allows a no account furniture schlepper to touch a
Steinway." I'm not arguing the trucking regulations, there may even
have been a piano... but there was no Steinway, guaranteed!

Sheldon wrote:

> That's all well and good if essentially what you're moving is schlock
> furniture and cartons of crap, then you hire the local Thug Brothers.
> But you totally miss/dismiss the point about "No one who knows anything
> about pianos allows a no account furniture schlepper to touch a
> Steinway." I'm not arguing the trucking regulations, there may even
> have been a piano... but there was no Steinway, guaranteed!

I have to admit that if I was moving a Steinway I wouldn't be hiring a fly by night
outfit to move it, and certainly not a concert quality grand piano.