"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote
>
>> Cute story: Sister Irene was divesting of her late husband's clothes at
>> a garage sale. He favored (Ready? Set? GUFFAW!!) clip-on ties. There
>> were a couple racks of them. A group of several Hispanic folks
>> (Mexican? Probably.) came and inspected the sale, accompanying their
>> perusing with chatter in the mother tongue. I understood about every
>> 4th word but said nothing. When they left, I followed them down the
>> driveway with a small toy for the little girl in the group - "Para la
>> niña." Several jaws dropped and they hurried off. It was clear to me
>> that they thought I'd understood all of their poking fun at my late
>> BIL's things.
>
> While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually), the
> fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what you are
> saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.

I grew up with that rule, you didn't speak French if there were other people
around who didn't speak it. Today, I refuse to switch a personal
conversation to my second language just because someone whom it doesn't
concern happens to be within earshot.

Gabby

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> >> I'm not so sure. What if the guy's massively qualified for the food
>> >> biz,
>> >> and
>> >> marginally qualified for anything else? If he can't afford a luxurious
>> >> month
>> >> or two or three to find a decent job, he may have no choice but to
>> >> work
>> >> "illegally", if he needs something fast.
>> >
>> > What the heck does "illegally" mean in your last sentence? If I have a
>> > degree in economics, and I work as a janitor, is that illegal?
>>
>> The guy's Mexican, remember? If he's not supposed to be here (maybe?),
>> his
>> options may be more limited than you, a citizen.
>
> I'm even more confused, Doug. The "decent" jobs often don't hire
> illegals at all. If it is the case that he is an illegal alien, it
> doesn't matter whether it is a decent job or not.
>
> --
> Dan Abel

Yeah...I guess I combined two ideas. I think the point is that he will be
viewed a certain way simply because of his nationality and his language
difficulties, if he's looking for work outside of his chosen profession.

I really don't care about the language issue. The Wal Mart here hires people
who were born in this country. Some of these natives have pathetic language
skills, and they treat customers like they were trash. I'd rather struggle
with that butcher's language, even if it means bringing an English-Spanish
dictionary with me.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

>> So, if an otherwise highly competent Mexican takes 2 years to get it
>> right, you think he should be on welfare until he's fluent? Or, go
>> back to question #1.
>>
> Receving welfare (and food stamps, let us throw that in) is a totally
> different subject from being conversant in the language which enables the
> person to do the job they are hired to do.

Not a totally different subject, really. If the butcher has to leave his job
(which might pay quite well) and do something else while he learns English,
the "something else" might end up being menial labor, which could mean he
ends up on public assistance. Now, he's a burden to everyone, instead of
just the snobs who pretend that their ancestors were English scholars when
they arrived here from Italy, Poland, Germany or wherever. I'd rather see
him working at something that makes him self-sufficient.



>>
>> The optimum age is birth through 10. If middle-aged people pick it up
>> quickly, they may have a knack for language. Lots of people do not.
>>
> And your point is? That lots of people do not bother?

The point is that it might take some adults a few years to reach the
proficiency that an 8 year old could achieve in 6 months. I'm just sneaking
up on Spanish proficiency after 4 years. It's odd, because I'm highly
skilled at understanding language structure. But, I also have a job, a house
to manage, and a teenager to keep up with. By the time I have a chance to
hit the books, it's 11 PM. I'm lucky if I get through 3-4 pages. I wonder if
the butcher's life is anything like mine. Or yours.



>> While we're discussing this, I have another question. Is it safe to
>> assume that if you managed that Wal Mart, you might move the butcher
>> into a position where he didn't need to interact with the public? A
>> demotion, in other words. He'd probably end up on the cleaning crew
>> because pretty much everyone else in the store has to speak to
>> customers at some point.
>>
> There is no rule that says if you don't interact with the public you are
> "demoted". What planet are you on? You don't have to interact with the
> public to do your job. You don't have to interact with the public to
> manage
> a department. In fact, that's what managers hire other people to do.

Department managers in retail stores most certainly do interact with the
public. If you really wanted to put that butcher somewhere where he wouldn't
interact with the public, he'd end up on the cleaning crew after the store
closed. THAT is a demotion.

-L. wrote:
> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
>>On 30 Dec 2005 01:48:40 -0800, "-L." >
>>rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>>
>>
>>>Just because this guy shares the ethnicity of those who have commited
>>>fraud doesn't mean he's guilty of the same acts. Do I really have to
>>>spell it out to you? Are you really THAT much of an asshole?
>>>
>>
>>I find it hugely amusing that your email address is
," as your posts are about as combative as it
>>gets (save for Sheldon, who is in a class by himself).
>
>
> I find it amsuing that you have a man's name and demeanor, yet claim to
> be a woman. So what? Snakes are hardly ever completely docile...
>

what is a "man's demeanor", exactly?

>
>>I also find
>>that calling names is usually an attempt to buttress a poor argument.
>>
>>Dimitri, old lad, consider the source and refuse to engage in any
>>further arguendo. Once the name calling starts, reason flies out the
>>window, IMHO.
>
>
> Racism is never ok. Racists are assholes. I'm sorry you fit into that
> category with Dimitri, apparently.
> -L.
>


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"Denny Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:05:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Denny Wheeler" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:22:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sadly, that's not the case here. Instead, many Americans equate language
>>>>proficiency with elitism, and vote for a man who pretends to be unable
>>>>to
>>>>pronounce "nuclear", because this helps him scoop some of the undecided
>>>>voters who might otherwise choose a candidate based on whether his ears
>>>>were
>>>>pretty.
>>>
>>> "PRETENDS"??? I very much doubt it's pretense.
>>
>>That's what I used to think, but when he's given a speech to read, he does
>>pretty well at it, which means that he's programmable, presumably with a
>>lot
>>of effort. I actually think that it this point, he's capable of saying the
>>word, but screwing it up endears him to the "folks" he wants to appeal to.
>
> IIRC, his Daddy also says "nucular"--I think it's simply that a
> certain segment thinks that's the correct pronunciation. (just as
> many midwesterners/easterners think the state immediately south of
> mine is "oar-ee-gawn" and lots of folk think that flood-ravaged
> city's name is pronounced the way it's spelt.)

I don't give a damn how the Bush family hacks up the language when they're
at home, slamming shots of bourbon and snorting coke or whatever it is they
do. When the president speaks in public, I expect him to use language in a
way that doesn't make my son say "Dad, I'd lose some serious points in
school if I wrote the way he speaks". There is only one way to pronounce
"nuclear". And, I'm not "folks".

"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Dimitri wrote:
>> "-L." > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Dimitri wrote:
>> >> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > That's great. Now, back to that meat cutter. How long has he been in
>> >> > this
>> >> > country?
>> >>
>> >> Long enough to be employed be the Wal mart Corporation in the State of
>> >> California - of course 65 people probably share his SS#
>> >
>> > That's about as bigoted as one can get. Asshole. As if your bitching
>> > about the guy not speaking English wasn't clue enough...
>>
>> http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?nam...rticle&sid=516
>>
>> Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>>
>> Putz!
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> Just because this guy shares the ethnicity of those who have commited
> fraud doesn't mean he's guilty of the same acts. Do I really have to
> spell it out to you? Are you really THAT much of an asshole?
>
> -L.

I am as much of a asshole as you are clueless to reality.

Dimitri

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...


>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>
>> Just because this guy shares the ethnicity of those who have commited
>> fraud doesn't mean he's guilty of the same acts. Do I really have to
>> spell it out to you? Are you really THAT much of an asshole?
>>
>> -L.
>>
>
> A couple of Russian dudes were arrested here last year for selling illegally
> caught lake trout out of the back of a pickup truck. Does this mean Dmitri is
> probably a poacher too?

I think you need to broaden your education:

Dimitri Greek Spelling
Dmitri Russian Spelling

Dimitri

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On 31 Dec 2005 01:50:02 -0600, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
>>-L wrote:
>>
>>> By and large the name "Terry" is a male name. "Terry Pulliam Burd, or
>>> whatever her name is, sounds masculine to me, as does her writing
>>> style.
>>>
>>> I always thought SF was a dude, too.
>>
>>Well, you were wrong on both counts. And to save you further embarrassment,
>>"Boron Elgar" is a woman as well.
>>
>>Bob
>>
> I have met sf in person, and she is definitely not a dude. Maybe a
> dudette though...
>
> Christine

And a quite attractive "dudette" as well.

Smart too!

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
news
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Dimitri
>>>
>>> Just because this guy shares the ethnicity of those who have commited
>>> fraud doesn't mean he's guilty of the same acts. Do I really have to
>>> spell it out to you? Are you really THAT much of an asshole?
>>>
>>> -L.
>>>
>>
>> A couple of Russian dudes were arrested here last year for selling
>> illegally caught lake trout out of the back of a pickup truck. Does this
>> mean Dmitri is probably a poacher too?
>
> I think you need to broaden your education:
>
> Dimitri Greek Spelling
> Dmitri Russian Spelling
>
> Dimitri
>

That was a typo, you silly monkey. But, I'm not surprised that you focused
on that, instead of my generalizing about you the way YOU do about other
people.

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:06:14 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> rummaged among random neurons and opined:

>While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually), the
>fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what you are
>saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>
>I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says something
>about them and it's not something nice.

Had an odd instance just before Christmas. We were invited to the
Balboa Bay Yacht Club to watch the Newport Beach Boat Parade and sat
opposite a family who had been invited by the same host. The DH knew
the woman slightly (a CPA and JD, the DH is a JD) and she had her DH
and young kids in tow. Her husband is bilingual in English/Swedish and
she's bilingual in English/Polish. They spoke nearly uninterruptedly
to the children and entirely in Swedish and Polish, which I thought
was extremely rude, as no one at the table of 14 spoke Swedish or
Polish. I mean, it's one thing to teach your children to be bilingual
(or in this case, trilingual), but to converse entirely in a language
unknown to anyone in the social setting was offputting. We finished
our meal and took our drinks outside to watch the rest of the parade.

Irritatedly,
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On 30 Dec 2005 23:41:28 -0800, "-L." >
rummaged among random neurons and opined:

>By and large the name "Terry" is a male name. "Terry Pulliam Burd, or
>whatever her name is, sounds masculine to me, as does her writing
>style.

"Terry" is short for "Terryl," which I don't use b/c no one hears
"Terryl," they hear "Carol." As to writing style, there's a
*masculine* writing style?? Alert the media.

Quite the combative person, aren't you? Perhaps you might consider
upping your meds.

OB: Wanted a different, sweet relish for Christmas dinner and found
the following:

@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

Chunky Strawberry Applesauce

misc. side dishes

2 1/2 pounds small red delicious apples; about 6 medium, quartered
2 cups water
1 1 -pint basket fresh strawberries; hulled and halved
1 3 -ounce package strawberry-flavored gelatin
2 teaspoons fresh lemon juice (optional)

Cook first 3 ingredients covered in heavy medium saucepan over
medium-low heat until apples are falling-apart tender, stirring
occasionally, about 40 minutes. Mix in gelatin and stir until
dissolved. Adjust tartness with lemon juice, if desired. Cover and let
cool. Refrigerate until cold and thickened, at least 2 hours. (Can be
prepared up to 3 days ahead.)

Contributor: Bon Appétit

Yield: serves 4 to 6.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:06:14 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>>While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually), the
>>fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what you are
>>saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>>
>>I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says something
>>about them and it's not something nice.
>
> Had an odd instance just before Christmas. We were invited to the
> Balboa Bay Yacht Club to watch the Newport Beach Boat Parade and sat
> opposite a family who had been invited by the same host. The DH knew
> the woman slightly (a CPA and JD, the DH is a JD) and she had her DH
> and young kids in tow. Her husband is bilingual in English/Swedish and
> she's bilingual in English/Polish. They spoke nearly uninterruptedly
> to the children and entirely in Swedish and Polish, which I thought
> was extremely rude, as no one at the table of 14 spoke Swedish or
> Polish. I mean, it's one thing to teach your children to be bilingual
> (or in this case, trilingual), but to converse entirely in a language
> unknown to anyone in the social setting was offputting. We finished
> our meal and took our drinks outside to watch the rest of the parade.

When my kids were growing up I spoke to them exclusively in French. You
have no idea how difficult it is to get your children to speak your language
when the only place they hear it is from you. Those parents were doing what
it takes to make sure their children grow up knowing their parents'
languages. Even my uniligual English in-laws understood that and had no
problem when their son and I spoke to our children only in French.

Gabby

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> [snip] ... Her husband is bilingual in English/Swedish and
> she's bilingual in English/Polish. They spoke nearly uninterruptedly
> to the children and entirely in Swedish and Polish, which I thought
> was extremely rude, as no one at the table of 14 spoke Swedish or
> Polish. I mean, it's one thing to teach your children to be bilingual
> (or in this case, trilingual), but to converse entirely in a language
> unknown to anyone in the social setting was offputting. We finished
> our meal and took our drinks outside to watch the rest of the parade.

I doubt I'd have found this as irritating as you did. It was parents
talking with young children. What could you have been missing? It's
not exclusionary the way it is when it's adults conversing. Then
again, I am such a proponent of teaching young children foreign
languages that I silently applaud it whenever I see it. -aem

One time on Usenet, "-L." > said:
>
> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> > On 30 Dec 2005 01:48:40 -0800, "-L." >
> > rummaged among random neurons and opined:
> >
> > >Just because this guy shares the ethnicity of those who have commited
> > >fraud doesn't mean he's guilty of the same acts. Do I really have to
> > >spell it out to you? Are you really THAT much of an asshole?
> > >
> > I find it hugely amusing that your email address is
> > ," as your posts are about as combative as it
> > gets (save for Sheldon, who is in a class by himself).
>
> I find it amsuing that you have a man's name and demeanor, yet claim to
> be a woman. So what? Snakes are hardly ever completely docile...

Puhleeze! "Man's demeanor"? How bigoted are you?

> > I also find
> > that calling names is usually an attempt to buttress a poor argument.
> >
> > Dimitri, old lad, consider the source and refuse to engage in any
> > further arguendo. Once the name calling starts, reason flies out the
> > window, IMHO.
>
> Racism is never ok. Racists are assholes. I'm sorry you fit into that
> category with Dimitri, apparently.

Said the pot to the kettle...


--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, Trollop, novice cook ~

"aem" > wrote

>> [snip] ... Her husband is bilingual in English/Swedish and
>> she's bilingual in English/Polish. They spoke nearly uninterruptedly
>> to the children and entirely in Swedish and Polish, which I thought
>> was extremely rude, as no one at the table of 14 spoke Swedish or
>> Polish. I mean, it's one thing to teach your children to be bilingual
>> (or in this case, trilingual), but to converse entirely in a language
>> unknown to anyone in the social setting was offputting. We finished
>> our meal and took our drinks outside to watch the rest of the parade.
>
> I doubt I'd have found this as irritating as you did. It was parents
> talking with young children. What could you have been missing? It's
> not exclusionary the way it is when it's adults conversing. Then
> again, I am such a proponent of teaching young children foreign
> languages that I silently applaud it whenever I see it. -aem

I understand, but they were not by themselves, they were at a
function. I don't think it's right to shut everyone out like that ... why
can't they say what they had to say without making other people
uncomfortable?

Even if I'm talking about something at a party that really doesn't
have to do with other people, I try to include or at least not exclude
the other people there.

I'm explaining myself poorly, but I hope you get the general idea, the
fact that others felt to leave because they weren't part of the conversation
should say something. It's rude to make people feel like that.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I understand, but they were not by themselves, they were at a
> function. I don't think it's right to shut everyone out like that ... why
> can't they say what they had to say without making other people
> uncomfortable? [snip]

I agree that it's impolite to make other people uncomfortable by
excluding them. I just don't think the concept of exclusion applies to
parent-child conversations. -aem

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2005 23:41:28 -0800, "-L." >
> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>> By and large the name "Terry" is a male name. "Terry Pulliam Burd, or
>> whatever her name is, sounds masculine to me, as does her writing
>> style.
>
> "Terry" is short for "Terryl," which I don't use b/c no one hears
> "Terryl," they hear "Carol." As to writing style, there's a
> *masculine* writing style?? Alert the media.
>
> Quite the combative person, aren't you? Perhaps you might consider
> upping your meds.
>
> OB: Wanted a different, sweet relish for Christmas dinner and found
> the following:
>
> @@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format
>
> Chunky Strawberry Applesauce
>
> misc. side dishes
>
> 2 1/2 pounds small red delicious apples; about 6 medium, quartered
> 2 cups water
> 1 1 -pint basket fresh strawberries; hulled and halved
> 1 3 -ounce package strawberry-flavored gelatin
> 2 teaspoons fresh lemon juice (optional)
>
> Cook first 3 ingredients covered in heavy medium saucepan over
> medium-low heat until apples are falling-apart tender, stirring
> occasionally, about 40 minutes. Mix in gelatin and stir until
> dissolved. Adjust tartness with lemon juice, if desired. Cover and let
> cool. Refrigerate until cold and thickened, at least 2 hours. (Can be
> prepared up to 3 days ahead.)
>
> Contributor: Bon Appétit
>
> Yield: serves 4 to 6.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
> AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
>
> "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
> old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
> waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
>
> -- Duncan Hines
>
> To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

I'm all for having 2 sexes. But you misunderstand if you think there
isn't a masculine writing style. I enjoy reading books written by either
male or females...but there are differences in wording and the way
concepts are expressed between sexes. Hence my belief there is a
masculine writting style. Not that any woman couldn't write in that
style if she wanted to.

It's like those magazines have a writing style and formula to meet their
needs and media niche. And no matter which sex you are you must conform
to their writting style to be published my them.

@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

Alan's Hamburger Potato Casserole

none

1 pound lean ground beef
3 cups peeled and thinly sliced potatoes
8 oz mushrooms (1 can)
1/2 large green bell pepper chopped.
1 can condensed cream of mushroom soup; 10.75 oz
1/2 cup chopped onion
3/4 cup milk
1/4 cup cream.; optional
salt to taste
freshly ground pepper, to taste
1 cup shredded cheddar cheese
1 cup Velveeta cheese; to taste
1/2 cup parmesan cheese; to taste

Directions 1 Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).

2 In a medium skillet over medium heat, brown the ground beef; drain
fat. In my case do everything in a dutch oven. (drain it well). Reserve
meat on a paper toweled plate.

3 In a medium mixing bowl, combine cream of mushroom soup, onion, milk,
salt and pepper to taste. plus 1/2 cup parm cheese.

4 Alternately layer the potatoes,mushrooms, green peppers,velveeta, soup
mixture and meat in a 11x7 inch (2 quart) baking dish. Bake in the
preheated oven for 1 to 1 1/2 hours, or until potatoes are tender. Top
with Cheddar cheese, and continue baking until cheese is melted.

Note: noodles can replace the potatoes I'm adding velveeta into the
layers too.

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:22:51 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article .com>,
> "-L." > wrote:
>
> > Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > > You thought a poster named Barbara was a dude?
> >
> > I have never seen her sign anything Barbara, I don't think. I think I
> > eventually asked her or found out some other way, though.
>
>
> Maybe she doesn't anymore.
>
I have never signed my real name. My name occasionally appears by
accident in the author column when I'm away from my own computer or
configuring a new newsreader - but mainly people found my full name
under "organization" in full headers. I eliminated that earlier this
year, but maybe I should put it back. Anyway, I post as sf to be
gender neutral and not treated one way or the other because I'm
female. I assume L posts as L for the same reason. The only poster
who has ever *annoyed* me by using a general neutral name was the one
who got offended when I wrote he instead of she. I usually use s/he
when I don't know for sure and I screwed up that time. AFAIC if
you're posting as gender neutral, don't get your panties in a knot if
I call you the wrong pronoun.

Terry - the name and the person
I've know more females than males named Terry. I assume she has a
masculine posting style (doesn't ramble) because she's an ex-military
brat and now works with lawyers.

--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

"aem" > wrote
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I understand, but they were not by themselves, they were at a
>> function. I don't think it's right to shut everyone out like that ...
>> why
>> can't they say what they had to say without making other people
>> uncomfortable? [snip]
>
> I agree that it's impolite to make other people uncomfortable by
> excluding them. I just don't think the concept of exclusion applies to
> parent-child conversations. -aem

Okay, maybe this is how I saw the story, and maybe it's just wrong.

Here is a table of 12 people. The parents didn't talk to anyone
else at the table, just to their children nonstop in a foreign language,
making no effort to include the rest of the group.

Rude. I've seen people do that at social occasions even when
they are speaking english ... excluding people and having their own
little exclusionary party within a party. I just feel that it's not polite.
Just me.

nancy

Dimitri wrote:
> "-L." > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Dimitri wrote:
> >> "-L." > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Dimitri wrote:
> >> >> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > That's great. Now, back to that meat cutter. How long has he been in
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > country?
> >> >>
> >> >> Long enough to be employed be the Wal mart Corporation in the State of
> >> >> California - of course 65 people probably share his SS#
> >> >
> >> > That's about as bigoted as one can get. Asshole. As if your bitching
> >> > about the guy not speaking English wasn't clue enough...
> >>
> >> http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?nam...rticle&sid=516
> >>
> >> Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >>
> >> Putz!
> >>
> >> Dimitri
> >
> > Just because this guy shares the ethnicity of those who have commited
> > fraud doesn't mean he's guilty of the same acts. Do I really have to
> > spell it out to you? Are you really THAT much of an asshole?
> >
> > -L.
>
> I am as much of a asshole as you are clueless to reality.
>
> Dimitri

--= Drinking Buddies =--

A Mexican drinks his beer and suddenly throws his glass in the air,
pulls out his pistol and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, "In
Mexico our glasses are so cheap we don't need to drink from the same
glass twice."

An Iraqi, obviously impressed by this, drinks his beer, throws his
glass into the air, pulls out his AK-47 and shoots the glass to pieces.
He says, "In Iraq we have so much sand to make glasses that we don't
need to drink out of the same glass twice either.

The Tennessee boy, cool as a cucumber, picks up his beer and drinks it,
throws his glass into the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the Mexican
and the Iraqi, and catches his glass. He says, "In America we have so
many Mexicans and Arabs that we don't have to drink with the same ones
twice."

Happy New Year!

"sf" > wrote

> Terry - the name and the person
> I've know more females than males named Terry.

Ditto.

And, had I not known Terry was a she, the three name thing
would have clued me in. I'd have been surpised, seeing that,
if I was wrong about that.

nancy

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> -L replied:
>
> >> Well, you were wrong on both counts. And to save you further
> >> embarrassment, "Boron Elgar" is a woman as well.
> >>
> >
> > I am not embarassed, but thanks, anyway.
>
>
> Oh, I see what happened: I mistakenly assumed you had some kind of social
> grace. Don't worry, it won't happen again.
>
> You ****tard.
>
> Bob

Why should I be embarassed for not knowing a gender-neutral name
indicated the specific sex of a person? That's ridiculous.
-L.

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > BTW - how do you like Petaluma? We are looking at properties down that
> > way.
>
>
> We would never buy a house here now. We couldn't afford it. We are
> very happy here, and it's a nice place, depending on what you want. We
> live in a lower middle class neighborhood, and houses are selling for
> US$500,000. These are tiny houses, on small lots. Our house is 1047sf.

We lived in the Bay area so know all about the inflation. We are
looking at coastal properties in N. CA in order to eventually build a
house. The Petaluma area seemed quaint - sort of a "home town" feel
to it. We love Point Reyes.
-L.

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote
>
>> Cute story: Sister Irene was divesting of her late husband's
>> clothes at a garage sale. He favored (Ready? Set? GUFFAW!!)
>> clip-on ties. There were a couple racks of them. A group of
>> several Hispanic folks (Mexican? Probably.) came and inspected the
>> sale, accompanying their perusing with chatter in the mother tongue.
>> I understood about every 4th word but said nothing. When they left,
>> I followed them down the driveway with a small toy for the little
>> girl in the group - "Para la niña." Several jaws dropped and they
>> hurried off. It was clear to me that they thought I'd understood
>> all of their poking fun at my late BIL's things.
>
> While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are,
> actually), the fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to
> hide what you are saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>
> I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says
> something about them and it's not something nice.
>
> nancy

Reminds me of the time I was at the local hangout (read: bar) with my
girlfriends, Gina and Jenny. Jenny had just moved to TN from southern
California and was fluent in Spanish. So these Mexican workers,
construction from their attire, came in to have a beer and sat at the other
end of the bar. They were looking at us and making remarks in Spanish. Of
course they didn't think anyone had a clue what they were saying. Jenny put
up with it as long as she could and then said to us, "Excuse me while I deal
with these assholes", then she turned to them and let loose in Spanish!
They were totally shocked that she understood what they had been saying
about us.

Don't assume people don't know what you're saying about them or that they
don't also speak your language. BTW, the language men like that use is the
same no matter what language they speak! LOL

Jill

On Sat 31 Dec 2005 01:47:23a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it -L.?

>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> I have seen pictures of Terry, and she is definitely la femme.
>
>
> "La femme" could refer to a *** male or a transvestite.
> -L.

Perhaps I should have said "female gender".

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________ ________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

On Sat 31 Dec 2005 01:53:27a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it -L.?

>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> "Terry" is Terry. She used it because it is her name.
>> "sf" is Barbara. She used "sf" for San Francisco.
>>
>> What would anyone think "-L." is? Male, female, city, state, loo?
>
> Doesn't matter. That's why I use it. Call me Lingonberry for all I
> care.

No, it doesn't really matter. It just keeps one wondering, if one wonders
about that sort of thing.

> No confusing "Wayne", though, right?

Right. <g>

> -L.
> ("Lyn", and yes I am female last time I looked. And yes, it is
> primarily a male name when spelled thusly...)

The first time I realized you were a female is when you posted about your
son and Halloween, and posted the pictures. Really cute kid!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________ ________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

In article >,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article . com>,
> "-L." > wrote:
>
> > Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
(snip)
> >
> > I find it amsuing that you have a man's name and demeanor, yet claim to
> > be a woman.
>
> Man named Terry = Terrence
> Woman name Terry = Theresa

Not necessarily, Dan. IIR, Terry's not a Theresa. Nor a Teresa. :-)
She IS, however, a piece of work! Funnier than most people here.

(And what the heck is "a man's demeanor?")
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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote
>
> > Cute story: Sister Irene was divesting of her late husband's clothes at
> > a garage sale. He favored (Ready? Set? GUFFAW!!) clip-on ties. There
> > were a couple racks of them. A group of several Hispanic folks
> > (Mexican? Probably.) came and inspected the sale, accompanying their
> > perusing with chatter in the mother tongue. I understood about every
> > 4th word but said nothing. When they left, I followed them down the
> > driveway with a small toy for the little girl in the group - "Para la
> > niña." Several jaws dropped and they hurried off. It was clear to me
> > that they thought I'd understood all of their poking fun at my late
> > BIL's things.
>
> While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually), the
> fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what you are
> saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>
> nancy

Fair enough. But, jeez, Nancy, what if it's the only language you know?
Or you're out and about with your friends or family and you're just
chatting with each other? I had no sense that these folks were trying
to hide anything -- it's not like they'd been speaking English and
flipped into Spanish solely for the fashion commentary -- they were
talking to each other and assuming los gringos no comprenden. And were
quite embarrassed to learn that I knew *something* (and not nearly as
much as I think they thought I did).
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in
:

>
> While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually),
> the fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what
> you are saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>
> I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says
> something about them and it's not something nice.
>

I used to work in a section where my supervisor and another couple of
employees were of Chinese background. They would speak to each other in
Chinese (don't know if it was Mandarin or Cantonese) quite a lot, and I
always felt very uncomfortable. This would not be shut away in her office,
either - just in the general area, even standing right in front of my desk.
I had no idea if they were talking about me or not - you start to wonder,
though <g>

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Denny Wheeler wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:21:25 GMT, lid wrote:
>
>
>>Denny Wheeler > wrote:
>>
>>snip
>>
>>>Yup. I've bought a fair bit of meat from Wal-Mart and no problems
>>>with any of it. I likely bought some at Sam's years ago when I had a
>>>membership--certainly I'd remember if I'd had any problems.
>>>
>>
>>There is no way I would buy meat that is labeled "Enhanced with a
>>solution" as the WalMart beef is. Must be pretty bad to need to be
>>enhanced with some unknown solution.
>
>
> I've not noticed that on their beef; the pork, yes. I have looked at
> their packer-cut briskets, with an eye toward the smoker. Didn't see
> anything on the packaging of them about the solution--but I'll look
> next time I'm there. The pork is a brand that I've seen many places
> (Farmland)--I've used a slab or two of those ribs. They were okay,
> but I think the pork from my nearest grocery is better. None of their
> pork is cryovac, that I've seen, and none of it is "enhanced". Good
> prices on spareribs, butts, picnics, too. All of which make excellent
> barbeque.
>
>
>>And do not try to ask anyone working there what it is.
>>Either they do not know or are not allowed to tell.
>
>
> I wouldn't expect 'em to know. But the information should be
> available, and if it isn't, they're likely violating some FDA reg.
>
> --
> -denny-
> "Do your thoughts call ahead or do they just arrive at your mouth unannounced?"
>
> "It's come as you are, baby."
>
> -over the hedge



The packer cut briskets are the only beef I buy at Wal-mart.
Well... sometimes I buy the beef hearts or cheeks there. But none of
the "normal" beef.

I may buy a pork shoulder or leg there next week and toss it in the
freezer for a month to use later for making salami.

Bob

"Rhonda Anderson" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually),
>> the fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what
>> you are saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>>
>> I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says
>> something about them and it's not something nice.

> I used to work in a section where my supervisor and another couple of
> employees were of Chinese background. They would speak to each other in
> Chinese (don't know if it was Mandarin or Cantonese) quite a lot, and I
> always felt very uncomfortable. This would not be shut away in her office,
> either - just in the general area, even standing right in front of my
> desk.
> I had no idea if they were talking about me or not - you start to wonder,
> though <g>

Heh, nothing wrong with a little paranoia. Sometimes you're right!
(laugh) A friend of mine had two Indian people in her group, they
would immediately switch to speaking Indian (?) whenever she'd come
close, and actually point at her and laugh. Drove my poor friend right
up the wall, I could hear her from my cube, SPEAK ENGLISH.

I think they should have been reprimanded by management, but they
worked for a fool, you know how that goes.

nancy

"Rhonda Anderson" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually),
>> the fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what
>> you are saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
>>
>> I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says
>> something about them and it's not something nice.

> I used to work in a section where my supervisor and another couple of
> employees were of Chinese background. They would speak to each other in
> Chinese (don't know if it was Mandarin or Cantonese) quite a lot, and I
> always felt very uncomfortable. This would not be shut away in her office,
> either - just in the general area, even standing right in front of my
> desk.
> I had no idea if they were talking about me or not - you start to wonder,
> though <g>

Heh, nothing wrong with a little paranoia. Sometimes you're right!
(laugh) A friend of mine had two Indian people in her group, they
would immediately switch to speaking Indian (?) whenever she'd come
close, and actually point at her and laugh. Drove my poor friend right
up the wall, I could hear her from my cube, SPEAK ENGLISH.

I think they should have been reprimanded by management, but they
worked for a fool, you know how that goes.

nancy

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article >,
> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > In article . com>,
> > "-L." > wrote:

> > > I find it amsuing that you have a man's name and demeanor, yet claim to
> > > be a woman.
> >
> > Man named Terry = Terrence
> > Woman name Terry = Theresa
>
> Not necessarily, Dan.

Correct. It was more of a counterexample, than my trying to tell Terry
what her full name might be.


> IIR, Terry's not a Theresa. Nor a Teresa. :-)

My daughter likes to jerk me around, I think in retaliation for my
jerking her around. She has a friend named Teddy, who is definitely
female. She sometimes calls her Theodora. I made a reference to
Theodora once, and my daughter asked me who I was talking about. I
said, you know, Teddy. My daughter replied that her name wasn't
Theodora, it was Teddy, that's what she was named at birth and that's
the name on her birth certificate. I asked her why she called her
friend Theodora, then. Just for fun.


> (And what the heck is "a man's demeanor?")

That's when you decide that somebody is male and look for elements in
their writing style to support your decision.

:-(

I don't believe in it.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

In article >,
Dan Abel > wrote:
> One of my daughter's best friends is Mexican. She studied some English
> in Mexico, but the family moved to the US when she was fairly young.
> Not only did she learn Spanish when young, but her parents speak only
> Spanish, so she had no choice but to be bilingual.
>
> So they go to a Mexican restaurant together. Now, my daughter is
> obviously a gringo

Creo que es gringa, señor. "-)
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In article >,
Dan Abel > wrote:
(sjnip)
>
> So they go to a Mexican restaurant together. Now, my daughter is
> obviously a gringo, with white skin and brown hair. Her friend,
> however, has very black hair and dark skin. To my untrained eye, she
> looks very Spanish. They spoke English at the restaurant, since my
> daughter speaks very little Spanish. The staff start making cracks
> about them in Spanish. The friend just ignores them. After they finish
> and pay, and are walking out the door, the friend turns and unleashes a
> torrent of Spanish at the staff. They are just dumbfounded.

Oooh, pity she didn't stop them in Spanish when they began. "Cuidado,
señores. Comprendemos el español." Then they could have tried to make
it up to them all through the meal. :-)
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Rhonda Anderson wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they all are, actually),
> > the fact remains that speaking in a 'foreign' language to hide what
> > you are saying in front of other people is just plain RUDE.
> >
> > I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt. Says
> > something about them and it's not something nice.
> >
>
> I used to work in a section where my supervisor and another couple of
> employees were of Chinese background. They would speak to each other in
> Chinese (don't know if it was Mandarin or Cantonese) quite a lot, and I
> always felt very uncomfortable. This would not be shut away in her office,
> either - just in the general area, even standing right in front of my desk.
> I had no idea if they were talking about me or not - you start to wonder,
> though <g>
>
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Used to work with a lot of Filipinas. They all spoke Tagalog with each
other, mixed in with a little English and Spanish. It didn't bother me,
but I did spend a lot of time *listening* closely. One shift they
started talking (in Tagalog) about my new SO who'd given me a ride to
work. There was a shocked silence when asked (by me) if they liked SO's
new car...

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:40:39 -0700, Arri London >
replied:
> Rhonda Anderson wrote:
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote in :
> > > While I agree, that was a pretty funny story (they
> > > all are, actually), the fact remains that speaking in
> > > a 'foreign' language to hide what you are saying in
> > > front of other people is just plain RUDE.
> > >
> > > I don't really think much of people who pull that stunt.
> > > Says something about them and it's not something nice.
> > >
> > I used to work in a section where my supervisor and another
> > couple of employees were of Chinese background. They would
> > speak to each other in Chinese (don't know if it was Mandarin
> > or Cantonese) quite a lot, and I always felt very uncomfortable.
> > This would not be shut away in her office, either - just in the
> > general area, even standing right in front of my desk. I had
> > no idea if they were talking about me or not - you start to
> > wonder, though <g>
> >
> Used to work with a lot of Filipinas. They all spoke Tagalog with
> each other, mixed in with a little English and Spanish. It didn't
> bother me, but I did spend a lot of time *listening* closely. One
> shift they started talking (in Tagalog) about my new SO who'd
> given me a ride to work. There was a shocked silence when
> asked (by me) if they liked SO's new car...

I don't have your ability to pick up languages so naturally but
have always actively worked with tutors to make sure I would be
able to communicate with the majority. It's not like I make it out
to be a state secret, either, since I'm always asking for help
with pronunciations. But there always seems to be a subset that's
completely tuned out to Real Life® and when you join in their
conversations, the palpable silence that follows is always worth a
second helping. Done nonchalantly is even better.

The Ranger

Arri London > wrote in :

>
>
> Rhonda Anderson wrote:

>> I used to work in a section where my supervisor and another couple of
>> employees were of Chinese background. They would speak to each other
>> in Chinese (don't know if it was Mandarin or Cantonese) quite a lot,
>> and I always felt very uncomfortable. This would not be shut away in
>> her office, either - just in the general area, even standing right in
>> front of my desk. I had no idea if they were talking about me or not
>> - you start to wonder, though <g>
>>
>> Rhonda Anderson
>> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
>
> Used to work with a lot of Filipinas. They all spoke Tagalog with each
> other, mixed in with a little English and Spanish. It didn't bother
> me, but I did spend a lot of time *listening* closely. One shift they
> started talking (in Tagalog) about my new SO who'd given me a ride to
> work. There was a shocked silence when asked (by me) if they liked
> SO's new car...

Funny. I never managed to pick up any of the Chinese, unfortunately.
However, it was a slightly different scenario. These coworkers all spoke
very fluent English, and spoke English most of the time at work. It
wasn't a case of mixing some Chinese with English in their general
conversation. That's different, and wouldn't bother me at all.

It appeared to be very deliberate when a conversation in Chinese was
started when non Chinese speaking people were present. The supervisor of
the section instigated it usually. It just felt much the same as if they
had stood in front of my desk and started whispering to each other - a
bit exclusionary and rude. I've never experienced anything like it since,
and I work with people of a lot of different backgrounds.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Rhonda Anderson wrote:
>
> Funny. I never managed to pick up any of the Chinese, unfortunately.
> However, it was a slightly different scenario. These coworkers all spoke
> very fluent English, and spoke English most of the time at work. It
> wasn't a case of mixing some Chinese with English in their general
> conversation. That's different, and wouldn't bother me at all.
>
> It appeared to be very deliberate when a conversation in Chinese was
> started when non Chinese speaking people were present. The supervisor of
> the section instigated it usually. It just felt much the same as if they
> had stood in front of my desk and started whispering to each other - a
> bit exclusionary and rude. I've never experienced anything like it since,
> and I work with people of a lot of different backgrounds.
>
It can be a problem in the workplace because its exclusionary nature
can feed resentment and paranoia in an office's competitive atmosphere.
Participation or instigation by a supervisor makes it worse. I once
had to step in and impose a rule for a group of employees: English
only when at their desks, no matter what the subject of the
conversation. Their native language in the lunchroom if they wanted.
The strongest argument they made against my rule was that they could
explain details of their work better to each other in their native
language. I held firm. The atmosphere in that group improved, and I
felt a potentially larger problem had been avoided. -aem

In article >,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> > (And what the heck is "a man's demeanor?")
>
> That's when you decide that somebody is male and look for elements in
> their writing style to support your decision.

I wasn't looking for elements to support my conclusion but I remember a
poster here years ago -- Ron Somebody. You can't imagine my shock when
I learned that Ron was a nickname for Veronica. I wonder if Tammy (or
you) remember who I'm thinking of.
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