"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
Honestly,
> our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
> downdraft blower, grill only.

Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it referred
to and I have never heard of it.

Ophelia wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
> Honestly,
>
>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>
>
> Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it referred
> to and I have never heard of it.
>
>

Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860 models
you will see exactly what we have without the options we added. The
actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the air out if
need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for the grill it
is automatic. It vents everything to the outside. Unlike a range hood,
a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it down and out. DH is
finally installing the blower system now. It really is a pain as you
have to cut through an outside wall. We're lucky because our stove is
on an outside wall anyway but he had to be careful of wiring and gas
lines. The downdraft system is awesome but in some cases it can create
too much of a suction. We've been warned not to have it on when a
fireplace is operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be
installing a corn burning stove so that is a concern.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> Honestly,
>>
>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>
>>
>> Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it
>> referred to and I have never heard of it.
>
> Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
> like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860
> models you will see exactly what we have without the options we added.
> The actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the air out
> if need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for the grill
> it is automatic. It vents everything to the outside. Unlike a range
> hood, a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it down and out. DH
> is finally installing the blower system now. It really is a pain as
> you have to cut through an outside wall. We're lucky because our
> stove is on an outside wall anyway but he had to be careful of wiring
> and gas lines. The downdraft system is awesome but in some cases it
> can create too much of a suction. We've been warned not to have it on
> when a fireplace is operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be
> installing a corn burning stove so that is a concern.

Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does sound
rather odd)

Ophelia wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>> Honestly,
>>>
>>>
>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>>
>>>
>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it
>>>referred to and I have never heard of it.
>>
>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
>>like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860
>>models you will see exactly what we have without the options we added.
>>The actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the air out
>>if need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for the grill
>>it is automatic. It vents everything to the outside. Unlike a range
>>hood, a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it down and out. DH
>>is finally installing the blower system now. It really is a pain as
>>you have to cut through an outside wall. We're lucky because our
>>stove is on an outside wall anyway but he had to be careful of wiring
>>and gas lines. The downdraft system is awesome but in some cases it
>>can create too much of a suction. We've been warned not to have it on
>>when a fireplace is operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be
>>installing a corn burning stove so that is a concern.
>
>
> Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does sound
> rather odd)
>
>
>
Yep, it basically a souped up venting system. Trust me on this one, it
is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more
things to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is
awesome! DH's grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of
system ever since. The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it
very, very efficient. The downside - pain in the butt to install and
apparently if you have gas burners can cause them to go sidewards. I've
heard they don't do as well if you have a long run to the outside. We
are on an outside wall so that isn't a problem. The blower on this
thing is about a foot across so it moves a lot of air. Another downside
but that is the same with all the higher end stoves is the lack of a
storage drawer underneath the range. I'm really going to miss that in
my already spacially challenged kitchen.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Honestly,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it
>>>>referred to and I have never heard of it.
>>>
>>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
>>>like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860
>>>models you will see exactly what we have without the options we
>>>added. The actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the
>>>air out if need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for
>>>the grill it is automatic. It vents everything to the outside.
>>>Unlike a range hood, a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it
>>>down and out. DH is finally installing the blower system now. It
>>>really is a pain as you have to cut through an outside wall. We're
>>>lucky because our stove is on an outside wall anyway but he had to be
>>>careful of wiring and gas lines. The downdraft system is awesome but
>>>in some cases it can create too much of a suction. We've been warned
>>>not to have it on when a fireplace is operating. We don't have a
>>>fireplace but will be installing a corn burning stove so that is a
>>>concern.
>>
>>
>> Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does
>> sound rather odd)
>>
>>
>>
> Yep, it basically a souped up venting system.

Well it sounds as though you have the right cooker for you)

Trust me on this one, it
> is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more
> things to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is
> awesome! DH's grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of
> system ever since. The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it
> very, very efficient. The downside - pain in the butt to install and
> apparently if you have gas burners can cause them to go sidewards.
> I've heard they don't do as well if you have a long run to the
> outside. We are on an outside wall so that isn't a problem. The
> blower on this thing is about a foot across so it moves a lot of air.
> Another downside but that is the same with all the higher end stoves
> is the lack of a storage drawer underneath the range. I'm really
> going to miss that in my already spacially challenged kitchen.

When I said it sounded odd I meant odd to call it a downdraft when there
is no draft coming down onto the cooker yes? Just a way of sucking up?
Anyway it looks like a good piece of equipment and I know you will get
full use out of it)) I hope you enjoy every minute you spend at it

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> Honestly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it
>>>>>>referred to and I have never heard of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove
>>>>>looks like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the
>>>>>9860 models you will see exactly what we have without the options
>>>>>we added. The actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This
>>>>>sucks the air out if need be. You can manually operate it if you
>>>>>need but for the grill it is automatic. It vents everything to the
>>>>>outside. Unlike a range hood, a downdraft has a blower system that
>>>>>sucks it down and out. DH is finally installing the blower system
>>>>>now. It really is a pain as you have to cut through an outside
>>>>>wall. We're lucky because our stove is on an outside wall anyway
>>>>>but he had to be careful of wiring and gas lines. The downdraft
>>>>>system is awesome but in some cases it can create too much of a
>>>>>suction. We've been warned not to have it on when a fireplace is
>>>>>operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be installing a corn
>>>>>burning stove so that is a concern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does
>>>>sound rather odd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yep, it basically a souped up venting system.
>>
>>
>> Well it sounds as though you have the right cooker for you)
>>
>> Trust me on this one, it
>>
>>>is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more
>>>things to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is
>>>awesome! DH's grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of
>>>system ever since. The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it
>>>very, very efficient. The downside - pain in the butt to install and
>>>apparently if you have gas burners can cause them to go sidewards.
>>>I've heard they don't do as well if you have a long run to the
>>>outside. We are on an outside wall so that isn't a problem. The
>>>blower on this thing is about a foot across so it moves a lot of air.
>>>Another downside but that is the same with all the higher end stoves
>>>is the lack of a storage drawer underneath the range. I'm really
>>>going to miss that in my already spacially challenged kitchen.
>>
>>
>> When I said it sounded odd I meant odd to call it a downdraft when
>> there is no draft coming down onto the cooker yes? Just a way of
>> sucking up? Anyway it looks like a good piece of equipment and I know
>> you will get full use out of it)) I hope you enjoy every minute
>> you spend at it
>
> Actually, there is the normal draft from the kitchen. Then you turn
> the blower on which does suck it down not up. The blower is at floor
> level. We had two choices, venting through the wall or into the crawl
> space. It is a lovely unit and good looking too

Yep very purty)))))

Ophelia wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> Honestly,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it
>>>>>referred to and I have never heard of it.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
>>>>like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860
>>>>models you will see exactly what we have without the options we
>>>>added. The actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the
>>>>air out if need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for
>>>>the grill it is automatic. It vents everything to the outside.
>>>>Unlike a range hood, a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it
>>>>down and out. DH is finally installing the blower system now. It
>>>>really is a pain as you have to cut through an outside wall. We're
>>>>lucky because our stove is on an outside wall anyway but he had to be
>>>>careful of wiring and gas lines. The downdraft system is awesome but
>>>>in some cases it can create too much of a suction. We've been warned
>>>>not to have it on when a fireplace is operating. We don't have a
>>>>fireplace but will be installing a corn burning stove so that is a
>>>>concern.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does
>>>sound rather odd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yep, it basically a souped up venting system.
>
>
> Well it sounds as though you have the right cooker for you)
>
> Trust me on this one, it
>
>>is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more
>>things to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is
>>awesome! DH's grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of
>>system ever since. The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it
>>very, very efficient. The downside - pain in the butt to install and
>>apparently if you have gas burners can cause them to go sidewards.
>>I've heard they don't do as well if you have a long run to the
>>outside. We are on an outside wall so that isn't a problem. The
>>blower on this thing is about a foot across so it moves a lot of air.
>>Another downside but that is the same with all the higher end stoves
>>is the lack of a storage drawer underneath the range. I'm really
>>going to miss that in my already spacially challenged kitchen.
>
>
> When I said it sounded odd I meant odd to call it a downdraft when there
> is no draft coming down onto the cooker yes? Just a way of sucking up?
> Anyway it looks like a good piece of equipment and I know you will get
> full use out of it)) I hope you enjoy every minute you spend at it
>
>

Actually, there is the normal draft from the kitchen. Then you turn the
blower on which does suck it down not up. The blower is at floor level.
We had two choices, venting through the wall or into the crawl space.
It is a lovely unit and good looking too

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:56:04 -0500, ~patches~
> wrote:

>Curly Sue wrote:
>
><snip>
>> I realize that there are rich people who are frugal and my hat is off
>> to you (if my dad were rich, that's the kind of rich person he'd be),
>> although I have to admit that for me being rich would mean not having
>> to worry about price or shopping for value.
>>
>> I also did my research, and watched and waited until the time was
>> right for the range I wanted. But under normal conditions I can't
>> imagine a Viking ever being on such a sale that I could afford one.
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Viking was going for around
>$800? At least that's what I thought someone on this thread said.


a quick Froogle check pulled up this price for the "mid-size"
Viking...you gotta be a serious cook to buy one of these babies...
http://store.yahoo.com/usappliance/36dualfuelra2.html

how about some of you very serious cooks who use the Viking explain to
us novice cooks some of the cooking tricks you can do with the Viking
that we can't do with our $800 GE electric range?

Bill

Bill wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:56:04 -0500, ~patches~
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Curly Sue wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>I realize that there are rich people who are frugal and my hat is off
>>>to you (if my dad were rich, that's the kind of rich person he'd be),
>>>although I have to admit that for me being rich would mean not having
>>>to worry about price or shopping for value.
>>>
>>>I also did my research, and watched and waited until the time was
>>>right for the range I wanted. But under normal conditions I can't
>>>imagine a Viking ever being on such a sale that I could afford one.
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Viking was going for around
>>$800? At least that's what I thought someone on this thread said.
>
>
>
> a quick Froogle check pulled up this price for the "mid-size"
> Viking...you gotta be a serious cook to buy one of these babies...
> http://store.yahoo.com/usappliance/36dualfuelra2.html
>
> how about some of you very serious cooks who use the Viking explain to
> us novice cooks some of the cooking tricks you can do with the Viking
> that we can't do with our $800 GE electric range?
>
> Bill
>
>

Well, ok then! At almost $6500 I will pass and I thought the price we
spent was a lot! Now I'm a serious cook - by many standards - but don't
take cooking serious. I like to have fun when cooking My experience
with the Jenn Air at 1/2 the price of the Viking is 3 oven racks vs the
standard 2, self clean oven, and the flexibility to change out element
cartridges as I choose. That being said, what I really want in a stove
is a work horse. I do a lot of canning so even though looks are nice, I
want the function! I want the range to do as I want, consistently and
without fail. I've heard some negs regarding GE and believe me we
really researched our purchase. IMO, GE is just slightly about
Fridgedaire and I wouldn't buy Fridgedaire if you paid me. Their
customer service sucks big time!

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:56:04 -0500, ~patches~
> > wrote:
>
>>Curly Sue wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>> I realize that there are rich people who are frugal and my hat is
>>> off
>>> to you (if my dad were rich, that's the kind of rich person he'd
>>> be),
>>> although I have to admit that for me being rich would mean not
>>> having
>>> to worry about price or shopping for value.
>>>
>>> I also did my research, and watched and waited until the time was
>>> right for the range I wanted. But under normal conditions I can't
>>> imagine a Viking ever being on such a sale that I could afford one.
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Viking was going for around
>>$800? At least that's what I thought someone on this thread said.
>
>
> a quick Froogle check pulled up this price for the "mid-size"
> Viking...you gotta be a serious cook to buy one of these babies...
> http://store.yahoo.com/usappliance/36dualfuelra2.html

droooool


>
> how about some of you very serious cooks who use the Viking explain to
> us novice cooks some of the cooking tricks you can do with the Viking
> that we can't do with our $800 GE electric range?

From what I have read here the GE range doesn't work???

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
k...
>
> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> Honestly,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it referred
>>>>>to and I have never heard of it.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
>>>>like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860 models
>>>>you will see exactly what we have without the options we added. The
>>>>actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the air out if
>>>>need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for the grill it
>>>>is automatic. It vents everything to the outside. Unlike a range hood,
>>>>a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it down and out. DH is
>>>>finally installing the blower system now. It really is a pain as you
>>>>have to cut through an outside wall. We're lucky because our stove is
>>>>on an outside wall anyway but he had to be careful of wiring and gas
>>>>lines. The downdraft system is awesome but in some cases it can create
>>>>too much of a suction. We've been warned not to have it on when a
>>>>fireplace is operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be
>>>>installing a corn burning stove so that is a concern.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does sound
>>> rather odd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yep, it basically a souped up venting system.
>
> Well it sounds as though you have the right cooker for you)
>
> Trust me on this one, it
>> is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more things
>> to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is awesome! DH's
>> grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of system ever since.
>> The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it very, very efficient.
>> The downside - pain in the butt to install and apparently if you have gas
>> burners can cause them to go sidewards. I've heard they don't do as well
>> if you have a long run to the outside. We are on an outside wall so that
>> isn't a problem. The blower on this thing is about a foot across so it
>> moves a lot of air. Another downside but that is the same with all the
>> higher end stoves is the lack of a storage drawer underneath the range.
>> I'm really going to miss that in my already spacially challenged kitchen.
>
> When I said it sounded odd I meant odd to call it a downdraft when there
> is no draft coming down onto the cooker yes? Just a way of sucking up?
> Anyway it looks like a good piece of equipment and I know you will get
> full use out of it)) I hope you enjoy every minute you spend at it
Patches, since I'm in the market for a new range and I have a Jenn-air now,
Jennair looks good to me, as it wouldn't be too bad of a swap and some
carpenetry work to replace the formica. But there is no pan over a certain
height, and it's not particular high either, that the down draft will pull
the steam out.
I'll be really interested in how your stove works for you in this regard.
(I had no trouble with the grill catching the steam, nor skillets.)
For instance my rice cooker is too high for the steam to catch on the
downdraft. If I want it to be directed to the downdraft, I have to concoct
a piece of aluminum foil over the lid to direct it to the downdraft or it
will just go everywhere.
I will take my rice cooker, and other similar pans in height outside on a
one-burner electric. Hey, I have no Italian garage.

PS, I did search for your exact model, but I could only find the model with
the A after it, not the ACW.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:

> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> k...
>
>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> Honestly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it referred
>>>>>>to and I have never heard of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
>>>>>like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860 models
>>>>>you will see exactly what we have without the options we added. The
>>>>>actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the air out if
>>>>>need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for the grill it
>>>>>is automatic. It vents everything to the outside. Unlike a range hood,
>>>>>a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it down and out. DH is
>>>>>finally installing the blower system now. It really is a pain as you
>>>>>have to cut through an outside wall. We're lucky because our stove is
>>>>>on an outside wall anyway but he had to be careful of wiring and gas
>>>>>lines. The downdraft system is awesome but in some cases it can create
>>>>>too much of a suction. We've been warned not to have it on when a
>>>>>fireplace is operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be
>>>>>installing a corn burning stove so that is a concern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does sound
>>>>rather odd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yep, it basically a souped up venting system.
>>
>>Well it sounds as though you have the right cooker for you)
>>
>>Trust me on this one, it
>>
>>>is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more things
>>>to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is awesome! DH's
>>>grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of system ever since.
>>>The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it very, very efficient.
>>>The downside - pain in the butt to install and apparently if you have gas
>>>burners can cause them to go sidewards. I've heard they don't do as well
>>>if you have a long run to the outside. We are on an outside wall so that
>>>isn't a problem. The blower on this thing is about a foot across so it
>>>moves a lot of air. Another downside but that is the same with all the
>>>higher end stoves is the lack of a storage drawer underneath the range.
>>>I'm really going to miss that in my already spacially challenged kitchen.
>>
>>When I said it sounded odd I meant odd to call it a downdraft when there
>>is no draft coming down onto the cooker yes? Just a way of sucking up?
>>Anyway it looks like a good piece of equipment and I know you will get
>>full use out of it)) I hope you enjoy every minute you spend at it
>
> Patches, since I'm in the market for a new range and I have a Jenn-air now,
> Jennair looks good to me, as it wouldn't be too bad of a swap and some
> carpenetry work to replace the formica. But there is no pan over a certain
> height, and it's not particular high either, that the down draft will pull
> the steam out.
> I'll be really interested in how your stove works for you in this regard.
> (I had no trouble with the grill catching the steam, nor skillets.)
> For instance my rice cooker is too high for the steam to catch on the
> downdraft. If I want it to be directed to the downdraft, I have to concoct
> a piece of aluminum foil over the lid to direct it to the downdraft or it
> will just go everywhere.
> I will take my rice cooker, and other similar pans in height outside on a
> one-burner electric. Hey, I have no Italian garage.
>
> PS, I did search for your exact model, but I could only find the model with
> the A after it, not the ACW.
> Dee Dee
>
>
Ok Dee, I will post back after I've used the downdraft system for
awhile. I can say it has been a real pain to install. It's going on 5
hours and DH is still working on it. He has it to the point you can
turn the downdraft on without a problem and is now working on hooking
the stove to the blower. Mind you he had to put the whole blower unit
together. If you already have a downdraft in place though it shouldn't
be that long to install. So far the trial test has showed this
downdraft really moves the air! I think the location of the stove
makes a huge difference as ours is right on an outside wall so very
little to take the air from indoors to outside.

I use a lot of tall stock pots, pressure cooker, and 22 qt pressure
canners so that should be a good judgement of how well this stove
performs. I've ordered the special canning burner that will replace one
of the large burners on one of the cartridges. I think when you are
looking for the model, just use the JES9860 without the ACW - the W
means white and I'm not sure what the AC means.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:56:04 -0500, ~patches~
> wrote:

>Curly Sue wrote:
>
><snip>
>> I realize that there are rich people who are frugal and my hat is off
>> to you (if my dad were rich, that's the kind of rich person he'd be),
>> although I have to admit that for me being rich would mean not having
>> to worry about price or shopping for value.
>>
>> I also did my research, and watched and waited until the time was
>> right for the range I wanted. But under normal conditions I can't
>> imagine a Viking ever being on such a sale that I could afford one.
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Viking was going for around
>$800? At least that's what I thought someone on this thread said. At

There was something else going on there; perhaps it was used. Viking
is a high end stove. $5000 is more like it!

>that price, it isn't too far off the norm price for other ranges with
>less features. I do understand the price drawback on these larger
>appliances though. We bought our Admiral range eons ago for something
>like $600. It was a real workhorse even though it wasn't self cleaning.
> Our Jenn Air in the end will likely end up costing us close to $2000
>but it is self cleaning, convection oven, and has a lot of extra
>features as well as flexibility.

That's much less than the price of some of the premium stoves.

> Now I expect *no problems* and it to
>be a workhorse as well as saving us money. We didn't buy it for looks!
> That's one of the problems with these higher end ranges - you really
>do need to do the research and if you are like us, you save & save until
>you can afford to buy.

The question that I was originally responding to was "Why do rich
people want Viking stoves in their kitchen."

My guess is that they don't shop at clearance centers or wait for
stoves to go on sale with favorable finance terms (like I did when I
bought Darth).

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:00:11 -0500, Bill >
wrote:

>a quick Froogle check pulled up this price for the "mid-size"
>Viking...you gotta be a serious cook to buy one of these babies...
>http://store.yahoo.com/usappliance/36dualfuelra2.html
>
>how about some of you very serious cooks who use the Viking explain to
>us novice cooks some of the cooking tricks you can do with the Viking
>that we can't do with our $800 GE electric range?
>
>Bill

Check this article about experiential marketing:

http://tinyurl.com/cka36

"What Viking is doing is marketing the experience, recognizing that no
one in the world needs a Viking stove; they may want a Viking stove,
but they don't need a Viking stove. They are evangelizing and creating
their own market."

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:27:22 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> wrote:

>the house is next but I'm going to paint the guttering in the spring hoping
>to get another year out of it. This old house has strange windows that are
>no longer made. I have to have them specially made. I almost had a heart
>attack after the 2 estimates I got. WTF are cottage windows anyway...

Windows with multiple panes (divided by muntins). New windows achieve
a similar look with grilles. I feel your "pane," even worse. My old
windows are steel. I love the look but they are not energy efficient!

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Curly Sue wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:56:04 -0500, ~patches~
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Curly Sue wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>I realize that there are rich people who are frugal and my hat is off
>>>to you (if my dad were rich, that's the kind of rich person he'd be),
>>>although I have to admit that for me being rich would mean not having
>>>to worry about price or shopping for value.
>>>
>>>I also did my research, and watched and waited until the time was
>>>right for the range I wanted. But under normal conditions I can't
>>>imagine a Viking ever being on such a sale that I could afford one.
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Viking was going for around
>>$800? At least that's what I thought someone on this thread said. At
>
>
> There was something else going on there; perhaps it was used. Viking
> is a high end stove. $5000 is more like it!
>

I must have read it wrong. Still a nice looking stove. If it performs
as well as it looks, the price might still be worth it.

>
>>that price, it isn't too far off the norm price for other ranges with
>>less features. I do understand the price drawback on these larger
>>appliances though. We bought our Admiral range eons ago for something
>>like $600. It was a real workhorse even though it wasn't self cleaning.
>> Our Jenn Air in the end will likely end up costing us close to $2000
>>but it is self cleaning, convection oven, and has a lot of extra
>>features as well as flexibility.
>
>
> That's much less than the price of some of the premium stoves.
>
>
>>Now I expect *no problems* and it to
>>be a workhorse as well as saving us money. We didn't buy it for looks!
>> That's one of the problems with these higher end ranges - you really
>>do need to do the research and if you are like us, you save & save until
>>you can afford to buy.
>
>
> The question that I was originally responding to was "Why do rich
> people want Viking stoves in their kitchen."

Probably because they can or want too My theory is that you don't
really have to be rich to have these types of appliances. See, I love
cooking. That is important to me. For that reason alone, I want top
notch equipment that is dependable AND I don't like shopping so I want
something that is going to give me years of troublefree service. If
that is what is important to you, then you will find a way to do it

>
> My guess is that they don't shop at clearance centers or wait for
> stoves to go on sale with favorable finance terms (like I did when I
> bought Darth).

I'm guessing Darth is your stove I never named my old stove but in
hindsight, Charlie sounds like a good name. Nice, dependable, no
repairs and just ready and willing. We don't believe in financing
anything other than our home so we have to save and save in order to
afford the nicer toys. It's worth it though especially if you don't
mind wainting You can get some really nice deals at the clearance
centres.
>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

"Curly Sue" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:00:11 -0500, Bill >
> wrote:
>
>>a quick Froogle check pulled up this price for the "mid-size"
>>Viking...you gotta be a serious cook to buy one of these babies...
>>http://store.yahoo.com/usappliance/36dualfuelra2.html
>>
>>how about some of you very serious cooks who use the Viking explain to
>>us novice cooks some of the cooking tricks you can do with the Viking
>>that we can't do with our $800 GE electric range?
>>
>>Bill
>
> Check this article about experiential marketing:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cka36
>
> "What Viking is doing is marketing the experience, recognizing that no
> one in the world needs a Viking stove; they may want a Viking stove,
> but they don't need a Viking stove. They are evangelizing and creating
> their own market."
>
> Sue(tm)

There is a very fine line between
'wants' and 'needs' for some folks.
Dee Dee

In article >,
Bill > wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:56:04 -0500, ~patches~
> > wrote:

> how about some of you very serious cooks who use the Viking explain to
> us novice cooks some of the cooking tricks you can do with the Viking
> that we can't do with our $800 GE electric range?


Turn on the gas?

:-)

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA