In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

<snipped the oldest urban legend on the internet...>

> ** Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the
> butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour,
> oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey
> Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie
> sheet.
>
> Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
>
> Have fun!!! This is *NOT* a joke --- this is a true story..
>
> * * *
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
>
> --
> "I wish you wouldn't do this..."

You would go there. ;-)

Beast!

At least it's on topic!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>> There is endless debate about 9mm vs .38 Special +P vs .45, the answer
>> is whichever one you will actually carry. The first rule of gunfighting
>> is to have a gun.
>
> Duh. ;-)

What he meant is that you're better off with a 9mm that you are comfortable
carrying, as opposed to some other gun that's a pain to deal with, so you
end up leaving it home most of the time.

Some people go to extremes to carry, though. In rec.guns, some yahoo once
told me that if I wasn't prepared to ditch my entire wardrobe and switch to
big bowling shirts, to conceal a too-large gun, then I must be some sort of
unpatriotic commie pinko hippy. I suspect he was a shlub, and only bowling
shirts were appropriate to cover his blubber.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>
>>There is endless debate about 9mm vs .38 Special +P vs .45, the answer
>>is whichever one you will actually carry. The first rule of gunfighting
>>is to have a gun.
>
>
> Duh. ;-)
>
>
>>9mm is perfectly adequate, especially if you can get some Winchester
>>"Lawman" +P+ ammo for it.
>
>
> Still learning about ammo., thanks for the advice!
> Right now all I have are target rounds.
> Not very good for stopping power.
>

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/H...Winchester.htm

I have a box of Winchester white box (cheap) 147 gn hollowpoints that I
bought at walmart. I haven't tried them yet, but they oughtta be OK.

Bob

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> Permits aren't so bad. Although it's just a statistical sample of one, I
>> know one person who was too dumb to have a gun, and was prevented from
>> getting his permit for that reason. Long story.....
>
> Do tell? :-)
>
> Sounds entertaining if you have time to type!
>
> The permit process in Texas is a bit of a PITA, but it's do-able.
>
> Have not finished all the paperwork yet, but I've got the class and some
> of the notarized stuff done.
>
> The only thing holding me up is passport pics.
> --
> Om.

An acquaintance of a friend liked to spy on ladies undressing in neighboring
houses, using a long distance magnifying device. Most guys would choose
binoculars. This idiot used a scope, mounted on a rifle. He was spotted
doing this. Apparently, there was nothing the cops could charge him with
because he was in his house. I guess "brandishing" means threatening someone
outside. And, the gun was empty and trigger-locked. But still, you don't do
that with a gun.

A month later, the idiot decided he wanted a pistol permit. Here, you need
signatures from 3 people who've known you for a certain period of time. The
idiot asked someone he thought was still his friend - the husband of one of
the ladies he was spying on! :-) She got with the other lady, who called the
state police, and told them that the idiot was not competent to be around
guns. They followed up, contacted the city cops, found out what had
happened, and stopped his application dead in its tracks.

This doesn't happen often enough, as far as I'm concerned (permit process
stopping morons, instead of just criminals or the mentally ill).

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > zxcvbob > wrote:
> >
> >> There is endless debate about 9mm vs .38 Special +P vs .45, the answer
> >> is whichever one you will actually carry. The first rule of gunfighting
> >> is to have a gun.
> >
> > Duh. ;-)
>
> What he meant is that you're better off with a 9mm that you are comfortable
> carrying, as opposed to some other gun that's a pain to deal with, so you
> end up leaving it home most of the time.

Oh, ok then.
I misunderstood, sorry!

I actually LIKE the SW9VE.
It's compact, comfortable, performs well and I'm accurate with it.

As you pointed out in an earlier post tho', practice is important.
Familariarity with your weapon of choice is _most_ important.

I HAVE fired a Ruger .45 (borrowed) and it was pretty cool.
After practicing with the larger caliber firearms, I often end up with
sore forearms the next day but it's worth it.

Is the .357 Ruger Redhawk fun to practice with?
That goes without saying... I use more .38 ammo tho' as it's cheaper.
With that large of a revolver, there does not seem to be a significant
difference (at least to me) in the way the gun acts with either round.

>
> Some people go to extremes to carry, though. In rec.guns, some yahoo once
> told me that if I wasn't prepared to ditch my entire wardrobe and switch to
> big bowling shirts, to conceal a too-large gun, then I must be some sort of
> unpatriotic commie pinko hippy. I suspect he was a shlub, and only bowling
> shirts were appropriate to cover his blubber.

<lol>
I don't hang out on rec.guns, I probably should.
I'm on Tx.guns. It's been more useful for finding what I needed locally.

Cheers!

>
>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> Permits aren't so bad. Although it's just a statistical sample of one, I
> >> know one person who was too dumb to have a gun, and was prevented from
> >> getting his permit for that reason. Long story.....
> >
> > Do tell? :-)
> >
> > Sounds entertaining if you have time to type!
> >
> > The permit process in Texas is a bit of a PITA, but it's do-able.
> >
> > Have not finished all the paperwork yet, but I've got the class and some
> > of the notarized stuff done.
> >
> > The only thing holding me up is passport pics.
> > --
> > Om.
>
> An acquaintance of a friend liked to spy on ladies undressing in neighboring
> houses, using a long distance magnifying device. Most guys would choose
> binoculars. This idiot used a scope, mounted on a rifle. He was spotted
> doing this. Apparently, there was nothing the cops could charge him with
> because he was in his house. I guess "brandishing" means threatening someone
> outside. And, the gun was empty and trigger-locked. But still, you don't do
> that with a gun.

Geez. The cheapskate little pervert needs to invest in a spotting scope!
And the local ladies need to install blinds. ;-)

>
> A month later, the idiot decided he wanted a pistol permit. Here, you need
> signatures from 3 people who've known you for a certain period of time. The
> idiot asked someone he thought was still his friend - the husband of one of
> the ladies he was spying on! :-) She got with the other lady, who called the
> state police, and told them that the idiot was not competent to be around
> guns. They followed up, contacted the city cops, found out what had
> happened, and stopped his application dead in its tracks.

<lol>

>
> This doesn't happen often enough, as far as I'm concerned (permit process
> stopping morons, instead of just criminals or the mentally ill).

CHL holders are still very much in the minority tho'.
Until that changes, I'll not be _too_ worried.


>
>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > zxcvbob > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>There is endless debate about 9mm vs .38 Special +P vs .45, the answer
> >>is whichever one you will actually carry. The first rule of gunfighting
> >>is to have a gun.
> >
> >
> > Duh. ;-)
> >
> >
> >>9mm is perfectly adequate, especially if you can get some Winchester
> >>"Lawman" +P+ ammo for it.
> >
> >
> > Still learning about ammo., thanks for the advice!
> > Right now all I have are target rounds.
> > Not very good for stopping power.
> >
>
> http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/H...Winchester.htm
>
> I have a box of Winchester white box (cheap) 147 gn hollowpoints that I
> bought at walmart. I haven't tried them yet, but they oughtta be OK.
>
> Bob

Ooh! Nice spread!!!

Gotta love ballistics testing.

What did they run you if you don't mind me asking?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...

> Is the .357 Ruger Redhawk fun to practice with?
> That goes without saying... I use more .38 ammo tho' as it's cheaper.
> With that large of a revolver, there does not seem to be a significant
> difference (at least to me) in the way the gun acts with either round.

Over the past few years, I've read in numerous sources that .357 magnum is
not all it's cracked up to be, in terms of a defense caliber. Every type of
hollow point ammo requires the barrel to be a certain length in order to
reach a velocity that'll make the bullet expand. It must expand to do
maximum damage. For .357 magnum, the magic barrel length is around 6 inches,
which is not something you're going to carry around easily. Same with .44
magnum. There are documented incidents in which unexpanded rounds passed
cleanly through bad guys, leaving them still able to do nasty things. The
Chuck Taylor book I recommended delves into this subject nicely. You might
be better off *always* using .38 specials in your Ruger.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Permits aren't so bad. Although it's just a statistical sample of one,
>> >> I
>> >> know one person who was too dumb to have a gun, and was prevented from
>> >> getting his permit for that reason. Long story.....
>> >
>> > Do tell? :-)
>> >
>> > Sounds entertaining if you have time to type!
>> >
>> > The permit process in Texas is a bit of a PITA, but it's do-able.
>> >
>> > Have not finished all the paperwork yet, but I've got the class and
>> > some
>> > of the notarized stuff done.
>> >
>> > The only thing holding me up is passport pics.
>> > --
>> > Om.
>>
>> An acquaintance of a friend liked to spy on ladies undressing in
>> neighboring
>> houses, using a long distance magnifying device. Most guys would choose
>> binoculars. This idiot used a scope, mounted on a rifle. He was spotted
>> doing this. Apparently, there was nothing the cops could charge him with
>> because he was in his house. I guess "brandishing" means threatening
>> someone
>> outside. And, the gun was empty and trigger-locked. But still, you don't
>> do
>> that with a gun.
>
> Geez. The cheapskate little pervert needs to invest in a spotting scope!
> And the local ladies need to install blinds. ;-)
>
>>
>> A month later, the idiot decided he wanted a pistol permit. Here, you
>> need
>> signatures from 3 people who've known you for a certain period of time.
>> The
>> idiot asked someone he thought was still his friend - the husband of one
>> of
>> the ladies he was spying on! :-) She got with the other lady, who called
>> the
>> state police, and told them that the idiot was not competent to be around
>> guns. They followed up, contacted the city cops, found out what had
>> happened, and stopped his application dead in its tracks.
>
> <lol>
>
>>
>> This doesn't happen often enough, as far as I'm concerned (permit process
>> stopping morons, instead of just criminals or the mentally ill).
>
> CHL holders are still very much in the minority tho'.
> Until that changes, I'll not be _too_ worried.

At least bad hunters thin their own herds. We had six shot here in the first
2 weeks of deer season. One moron shot himself in the knee with a shotgun
slug while loading his deer into the back of his truck. Can you count how
many safety rules he broke? :-)

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>There is endless debate about 9mm vs .38 Special +P vs .45, the answer
>>>>is whichever one you will actually carry. The first rule of gunfighting
>>>>is to have a gun.
>>>
>>>
>>>Duh. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>9mm is perfectly adequate, especially if you can get some Winchester
>>>>"Lawman" +P+ ammo for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Still learning about ammo., thanks for the advice!
>>>Right now all I have are target rounds.
>>>Not very good for stopping power.
>>>
>>
>>http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/H...Winchester.htm
>>
>>I have a box of Winchester white box (cheap) 147 gn hollowpoints that I
>>bought at walmart. I haven't tried them yet, but they oughtta be OK.
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> Ooh! Nice spread!!!
>
> Gotta love ballistics testing.
>
> What did they run you if you don't mind me asking?


That's not my web page, I just linked to it to give you some info.

The 147 gn hollowpoints I bought were about $10 for a box of 50.

The 127 gn "Lawman" hollowpoints are generally unavailable to normal
people, but if you find them they are not illegal. I've never looked
for them so I don't know what they cost. You might look on
gunbroker.com. I don't carry; I just started shooting paper targets and
falling plates last year for sport. And I'm about to [finally] try
learning to shoot a rifle when the weather warms up. If I did carry for
self defense, it would probably be my big honkin' .45 Ruger revolver
just because I can shoot it /much/ better than I can my 9. Or I'd buy a
..44 Special snubbie.

Bob

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Is the .357 Ruger Redhawk fun to practice with?
> > That goes without saying... I use more .38 ammo tho' as it's cheaper.
> > With that large of a revolver, there does not seem to be a significant
> > difference (at least to me) in the way the gun acts with either round.
>
> Over the past few years, I've read in numerous sources that .357 magnum is
> not all it's cracked up to be, in terms of a defense caliber. Every type of
> hollow point ammo requires the barrel to be a certain length in order to
> reach a velocity that'll make the bullet expand. It must expand to do
> maximum damage. For .357 magnum, the magic barrel length is around 6 inches,
> which is not something you're going to carry around easily. Same with .44
> magnum. There are documented incidents in which unexpanded rounds passed
> cleanly through bad guys, leaving them still able to do nasty things. The
> Chuck Taylor book I recommended delves into this subject nicely. You might
> be better off *always* using .38 specials in your Ruger.
>
>

Hm, thanks.

If I measured it from the correct point, the barrel is 6.5".

It's for home defense only. Way too large to be a carry weapon.
It's your basic cannon with a high "oh Sh**" factor for anyone that ends
up staring down the wrong end of it. ;-)

I keep it loaded with .357 hollowpoints... CCI at the moment, but I want
to invest in some Winchester rounds.

All in all tho', as much as I enjoy plinking (and hunting on occasion),
I really pray that I never, ever have to use a gun for self defense. I'm
reasonably sure I could if I had to, but that does not mean I WANT to.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> At least bad hunters thin their own herds.

<lol> That's a good way to look at it!

> We had six shot here in the first
> 2 weeks of deer season. One moron shot himself in the knee with a shotgun
> slug while loading his deer into the back of his truck. Can you count how
> many safety rules he broke? :-)

Sheesh!

Takes talent......

With a shot knee, he won't be doing much hunting anytime soon!

I was blessed with cool parents. I fired my first BB gun when I was 4
and went from there. Gun safety was (literally) beaten into me from a
very young age.

My 16 birthday gift was the beautiful Winchester .308 that I still have.
:-) Kicks like a mule but it's a fabulous rifle!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Is the .357 Ruger Redhawk fun to practice with?
>> > That goes without saying... I use more .38 ammo tho' as it's cheaper.
>> > With that large of a revolver, there does not seem to be a significant
>> > difference (at least to me) in the way the gun acts with either round.
>>
>> Over the past few years, I've read in numerous sources that .357 magnum
>> is
>> not all it's cracked up to be, in terms of a defense caliber. Every type
>> of
>> hollow point ammo requires the barrel to be a certain length in order to
>> reach a velocity that'll make the bullet expand. It must expand to do
>> maximum damage. For .357 magnum, the magic barrel length is around 6
>> inches,
>> which is not something you're going to carry around easily. Same with .44
>> magnum. There are documented incidents in which unexpanded rounds passed
>> cleanly through bad guys, leaving them still able to do nasty things. The
>> Chuck Taylor book I recommended delves into this subject nicely. You
>> might
>> be better off *always* using .38 specials in your Ruger.
>>
>>
>
> Hm, thanks.
>
> If I measured it from the correct point, the barrel is 6.5".
>
> It's for home defense only. Way too large to be a carry weapon.
> It's your basic cannon with a high "oh Sh**" factor for anyone that ends
> up staring down the wrong end of it. ;-)
>
> I keep it loaded with .357 hollowpoints... CCI at the moment, but I want
> to invest in some Winchester rounds.
>
> All in all tho', as much as I enjoy plinking (and hunting on occasion),
> I really pray that I never, ever have to use a gun for self defense. I'm
> reasonably sure I could if I had to, but that does not mean I WANT to.
> --
> Om.

Seriously, read the book. He also discusses which specific kinds of ammo
produce the worst muzzle flash, which can blind you at a time when you
really need to see clearly. Finding the right stuff isn't a big deal - a few
calls to gun shops and that's that.

Speaking of blinding someone, get yourself one of these:
http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/.../878/sesent/00
....and buy a box of batteries from the site, too. They're WAY too expensive
at gun shops. My son and his friends decided to test that little light, and
see if it really blinds a person. It does. They couldn't see well for about
10 minutes. There's an easy way of holding the light in your left hand while
still using that hand to support the gun. Again, I think the book shows how.
Keep the light with the gun, and don't use it all the time as an all purpose
flashlight.

In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > zxcvbob > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article >,
> >>> zxcvbob > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>There is endless debate about 9mm vs .38 Special +P vs .45, the answer
> >>>>is whichever one you will actually carry. The first rule of gunfighting
> >>>>is to have a gun.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Duh. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>9mm is perfectly adequate, especially if you can get some Winchester
> >>>>"Lawman" +P+ ammo for it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Still learning about ammo., thanks for the advice!
> >>>Right now all I have are target rounds.
> >>>Not very good for stopping power.
> >>>
> >>
> >>http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/H...Winchester.htm
> >>
> >>I have a box of Winchester white box (cheap) 147 gn hollowpoints that I
> >>bought at walmart. I haven't tried them yet, but they oughtta be OK.
> >>
> >>Bob
> >
> >
> > Ooh! Nice spread!!!
> >
> > Gotta love ballistics testing.
> >
> > What did they run you if you don't mind me asking?
>
>
> That's not my web page, I just linked to it to give you some info.
>
> The 147 gn hollowpoints I bought were about $10 for a box of 50.

Not bad at all!

>
> The 127 gn "Lawman" hollowpoints are generally unavailable to normal
> people, but if you find them they are not illegal. I've never looked
> for them so I don't know what they cost. You might look on
> gunbroker.com. I don't carry; I just started shooting paper targets and
> falling plates last year for sport. And I'm about to [finally] try
> learning to shoot a rifle when the weather warms up.

You will love it.
IMHO shooting rifles is easier than pistols!
But, I grew up with them so it's easy for me to say that.

I used to hate pistols until I learned that size and weight matters!
I still cannot hit the broad side of a friggin' barn with that little
..22. The damn thing fits in the palm of my hand. It's just too light!

I thought it was me, until I bought the Glock 9mm for dad and fired
that. I was dead on with it. :-) So now I know it's the gun.
I also had no problem with the SW 9mm I bought for myself.

> If I did carry for
> self defense, it would probably be my big honkin' .45 Ruger revolver
> just because I can shoot it /much/ better than I can my 9. Or I'd buy a
> .44 Special snubbie.

And where would you stash the big one? <lol>

I saw some really cool gun pants in that magazine I read the other day!
They have a well concealed holster built into the pants leg. They look
like BDU's.

>
> Bob
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

The latest scam in he Tucson area Malls....- l.

Two good looking 18 year old women walk over to your car
as you are parking.
One starts wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,
the other comes to your window saying 'hi'
while bending over with her boobs almost coming out of her blouse,
and it's impossible not to look.

When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say no
and beg you for a ride to the Stonestown Mall.
You agree and tell them to sit in the back.

On the way they start having sex in the back seat.
Then one of them performs oral sex on you,
while the other one steals your wallet.


I was assaulted last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,


but I couldn't find them on Saturday or Sunday.

Be careful.

<rj>

"<RJ>" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> The latest scam in he Tucson area Malls....- l.
>
> Two good looking 18 year old women walk over to your car
> as you are parking.
> One starts wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,
> the other comes to your window saying 'hi'
> while bending over with her boobs almost coming out of her blouse,
> and it's impossible not to look.
>
> When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say no
> and beg you for a ride to the Stonestown Mall.
> You agree and tell them to sit in the back.
>
> On the way they start having sex in the back seat.
> Then one of them performs oral sex on you,
> while the other one steals your wallet.
>
>
> I was assaulted last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,
>
>
> but I couldn't find them on Saturday or Sunday.
>
> Be careful.

ROFL!!!! :-)

Actually, something similar tried to happen to me a couple of years ago.
Driving through a ritzy part of Rochester, right by George Eastman's old
mansion, there's this black lady standing on the corner by a traffic light
with a red gasoline can in her hand. It was pouring, so I asked if she
needed a lift somewhere. She said she needed to go to a Mobil station which
happened to be not out of my way at all. Got there, pulled over, and she
says something like "How 'bout I give you a little somethin' special for
$20? Pull over behind the gas station." I just laughed and said "Right! How
about YOU pay ME?"

Yeah. OK. Couldn't get her out of the car. She kept looking for work, if you
know what I mean. I finally pulled out into the busy street, with the car
diagonally across the yellow line blocking traffic and said "If I stay like
this, the cops should get here real quick...." Out she went.

notbob wrote:
> On 2006-01-06, ms. tonya > wrote:
>
>> with head lights off waiting for the first people to blink at him to
>> turn lights on. Driver is then guned down and kid now has full
>> membership to gang.
>
> From one urban legend to another:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightsout.asp
>
> nb

Yep, that one has been floating around the Internet for quite a while.

Jill

Scenario:
**I have a gun in my car, you have a gun in your car... all God's
chillin' got a gun in the car.
Teen gang-banger starts bustin' caps at you for flashing your lights and
you return fire equally bent on destruction. Some of your bullets hit
their mark- some hit the car... others fly in my direction as i'm riding
alongside the gangster car. Wondering why i'm suddenly being shot at by
some dude being shot at by some dudes, i'm inspired to pull my own 45
cal. and bang off a few... so off go my bullets whizzing in and out of
your automobile, in and out of gangster car and in and out of a few
others on the road turning the highway into a snowballing capfest.
**Since when does every bullet fired in anger or defense hit it's
intended target?
**Grow up... get over the power trip of carrying a gun and accept
the fact that you're no Dirty F'n Harry and life isn't a vigilanty
flick. Kev
======================================

Power trip?
Maybe you live somewhere where you don't ever feel uncomfortable that
your life could be in danger?

People every day in this country get robbed, raped, and murdered just
going to buy a carton of milk at the corner store.

Your "Scenario" is basically a very unrealistic one. Oh sure, I've heard
of the occasional shootouts on California highways some years back. I'd
rather have a fighting chance, than let some POS crack head end my life,
or a loved one's without any chance of rebuttal.

I say it's about time that this country get its head out of its ass, and
take away a state's right to allow, or deny gun carry rights.

I say it's time to declare war on all the worthless waste of flesh in
this country. It's time we stand up, and stand together. Maybe we all
need to take a cur from Travis Bickle in "Taxi Driver".

The real shame of it is, you can't conceal carry a gun where you really
need one. In all non-carry states it's the two legged animals you have
to watch out for, not the four legged ones.

You never can say what can actually happen in a real life occurence.

Just watch something like Super Station WGN at 9, and the typical "shit"
that happens every day in a city like Chicago.

It could be myself, or someone else one day, the "armed" good samaritan
that saves you, and your loved one's life.

I'm just so sick of hearing about rotten worthless cocksuckers preying
on innocent people, and destroying their lives. Mark

Doug Kanter wrote:
> "<RJ>" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> The latest scam in he Tucson area Malls....- l.
>>
>>Two good looking 18 year old women walk over to your car
>>as you are parking.
>>One starts wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,
>>the other comes to your window saying 'hi'
>>while bending over with her boobs almost coming out of her blouse,
>>and it's impossible not to look.
>>
>>When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say no
>>and beg you for a ride to the Stonestown Mall.
>>You agree and tell them to sit in the back.
>>
>>On the way they start having sex in the back seat.
>>Then one of them performs oral sex on you,
>>while the other one steals your wallet.
>>
>>
>>I was assaulted last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,
>>
>>
>>but I couldn't find them on Saturday or Sunday.
>>
>>Be careful.
>
>
> ROFL!!!! :-)
>
> Actually, something similar tried to happen to me a couple of years ago.
> Driving through a ritzy part of Rochester, right by George Eastman's old
> mansion, there's this black lady standing on the corner by a traffic light
> with a red gasoline can in her hand. It was pouring, so I asked if she
> needed a lift somewhere. She said she needed to go to a Mobil station which
> happened to be not out of my way at all. Got there, pulled over, and she
> says something like "How 'bout I give you a little somethin' special for
> $20? Pull over behind the gas station." I just laughed and said "Right! How
> about YOU pay ME?"
>
> Yeah. OK. Couldn't get her out of the car. She kept looking for work, if you
> know what I mean. I finally pulled out into the busy street, with the car
> diagonally across the yellow line blocking traffic and said "If I stay like
> this, the cops should get here real quick...." Out she went.
>
>


Uh oh, now you've done it. (you weren't supposed to mention that she
was black, since the story still works without that little detail)

Now Jesse is gonna come try to shake down the froup. We're gonna get
Rainbowed.

Best regards,
Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> "<RJ>" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> The latest scam in he Tucson area Malls....- l.
>>>
>>>Two good looking 18 year old women walk over to your car
>>>as you are parking.
>>>One starts wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,
>>>the other comes to your window saying 'hi'
>>>while bending over with her boobs almost coming out of her blouse,
>>>and it's impossible not to look.
>>>
>>>When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say no
>>>and beg you for a ride to the Stonestown Mall.
>>>You agree and tell them to sit in the back.
>>>
>>>On the way they start having sex in the back seat.
>>>Then one of them performs oral sex on you,
>>>while the other one steals your wallet.
>>>
>>>
>>>I was assaulted last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,
>>>
>>>
>>>but I couldn't find them on Saturday or Sunday.
>>>
>>>Be careful.
>>
>>
>> ROFL!!!! :-)
>>
>> Actually, something similar tried to happen to me a couple of years ago.
>> Driving through a ritzy part of Rochester, right by George Eastman's old
>> mansion, there's this black lady standing on the corner by a traffic
>> light with a red gasoline can in her hand. It was pouring, so I asked if
>> she needed a lift somewhere. She said she needed to go to a Mobil station
>> which happened to be not out of my way at all. Got there, pulled over,
>> and she says something like "How 'bout I give you a little somethin'
>> special for $20? Pull over behind the gas station." I just laughed and
>> said "Right! How about YOU pay ME?"
>>
>> Yeah. OK. Couldn't get her out of the car. She kept looking for work, if
>> you know what I mean. I finally pulled out into the busy street, with the
>> car diagonally across the yellow line blocking traffic and said "If I
>> stay like this, the cops should get here real quick...." Out she went.
>
>
> Uh oh, now you've done it. (you weren't supposed to mention that she was
> black, since the story still works without that little detail)
>
> Now Jesse is gonna come try to shake down the froup. We're gonna get
> Rainbowed.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob

Yeah...I know. Color didn't make the story HERE. But, it was significant
WHERE IT HAPPENED, and I'm too tired to explain why.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >, zxcvbob
> > wrote:
>
>
>> I don't carry; I just started shooting paper targets and falling
>> plates last year for sport. And I'm about to [finally] try
>> learning to shoot a rifle when the weather warms up.
>
>
> You will love it. IMHO shooting rifles is easier than pistols! But, I
> grew up with them so it's easy for me to say that.
>

I've shot air rifles since I was a kid, and I've shot a .22 rifle a
couple of times (but not in *years*.) But I'm going to try to learn
with my FIL's bolt-action .30-06 (Remington 700); probably not the best
choice for a starter gun.

>
>> If I did carry for self defense, it would probably be my big
>> honkin' .45 Ruger revolver just because I can shoot it /much/
>> better than I can my 9. Or I'd buy a .44 Special snubbie.
>
>
> And where would you stash the big one? <lol>
>

Obviously amongst all the rolls of fat under my bowling shirt. ;-)

This time of year in Minnesota it really wouldn't be a problem. Just
wear a holster under my jacket and overcoat. I just don't know if I can
draw while wearing mittens...

Best regards,
Bob

<RJ> wrote:
>
> The latest scam in he Tucson area Malls....- l.
>
> Two good looking 18 year old women walk over to your car
> as you are parking.
> One starts wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,
> the other comes to your window saying 'hi'
> while bending over with her boobs almost coming out of her blouse,
> and it's impossible not to look.
>
> When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say no
> and beg you for a ride to the Stonestown Mall.
> You agree and tell them to sit in the back.
>
> On the way they start having sex in the back seat.
> Then one of them performs oral sex on you,
> while the other one steals your wallet.
>
>
> I was assaulted last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,
>
>
> but I couldn't find them on Saturday or Sunday.
>
> Be careful.
>
> <rj>

Bummer about Monday, too!

<you just KNEW you shoulda gone out that day, didn't you? But,
nooooooooooooo...)

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > Is the .357 Ruger Redhawk fun to practice with?
> >> > That goes without saying... I use more .38 ammo tho' as it's cheaper.
> >> > With that large of a revolver, there does not seem to be a significant
> >> > difference (at least to me) in the way the gun acts with either round.
> >>
> >> Over the past few years, I've read in numerous sources that .357 magnum
> >> is
> >> not all it's cracked up to be, in terms of a defense caliber. Every type
> >> of
> >> hollow point ammo requires the barrel to be a certain length in order to
> >> reach a velocity that'll make the bullet expand. It must expand to do
> >> maximum damage. For .357 magnum, the magic barrel length is around 6
> >> inches,
> >> which is not something you're going to carry around easily. Same with .44
> >> magnum. There are documented incidents in which unexpanded rounds passed
> >> cleanly through bad guys, leaving them still able to do nasty things. The
> >> Chuck Taylor book I recommended delves into this subject nicely. You
> >> might
> >> be better off *always* using .38 specials in your Ruger.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hm, thanks.
> >
> > If I measured it from the correct point, the barrel is 6.5".
> >
> > It's for home defense only. Way too large to be a carry weapon.
> > It's your basic cannon with a high "oh Sh**" factor for anyone that ends
> > up staring down the wrong end of it. ;-)
> >
> > I keep it loaded with .357 hollowpoints... CCI at the moment, but I want
> > to invest in some Winchester rounds.
> >
> > All in all tho', as much as I enjoy plinking (and hunting on occasion),
> > I really pray that I never, ever have to use a gun for self defense. I'm
> > reasonably sure I could if I had to, but that does not mean I WANT to.
> > --
> > Om.
>
> Seriously, read the book. He also discusses which specific kinds of ammo
> produce the worst muzzle flash, which can blind you at a time when you
> really need to see clearly. Finding the right stuff isn't a big deal - a few
> calls to gun shops and that's that.
>
> Speaking of blinding someone, get yourself one of these:
> http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/.../878/sesent/00
> ...and buy a box of batteries from the site, too. They're WAY too expensive
> at gun shops. My son and his friends decided to test that little light, and
> see if it really blinds a person. It does. They couldn't see well for about
> 10 minutes. There's an easy way of holding the light in your left hand while
> still using that hand to support the gun. Again, I think the book shows how.
> Keep the light with the gun, and don't use it all the time as an all purpose
> flashlight.
>
>

Cool! :-)
Another item to add to my "gun stuff" files...

Right now I use those mini mag lights.
They are pretty bright, even the teensy ones.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
(Mark D) wrote:

> Power trip?
> Maybe you live somewhere where you don't ever feel uncomfortable that
> your life could be in danger?
>
> People every day in this country get robbed, raped, and murdered just
> going to buy a carton of milk at the corner store.
>
> Your "Scenario" is basically a very unrealistic one. Oh sure, I've heard
> of the occasional shootouts on California highways some years back. I'd
> rather have a fighting chance, than let some POS crack head end my life,
> or a loved one's without any chance of rebuttal.
>
> I say it's about time that this country get its head out of its ass, and
> take away a state's right to allow, or deny gun carry rights.
>
> I say it's time to declare war on all the worthless waste of flesh in
> this country. It's time we stand up, and stand together. Maybe we all
> need to take a cur from Travis Bickle in "Taxi Driver".
>
> The real shame of it is, you can't conceal carry a gun where you really
> need one. In all non-carry states it's the two legged animals you have
> to watch out for, not the four legged ones.
>
> You never can say what can actually happen in a real life occurence.
>
> Just watch something like Super Station WGN at 9, and the typical "shit"
> that happens every day in a city like Chicago.
>
> It could be myself, or someone else one day, the "armed" good samaritan
> that saves you, and your loved one's life.
>
> I'm just so sick of hearing about rotten worthless cocksuckers preying
> on innocent people, and destroying their lives. Mark

Cheers!!!!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >, zxcvbob
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I don't carry; I just started shooting paper targets and falling
> >> plates last year for sport. And I'm about to [finally] try
> >> learning to shoot a rifle when the weather warms up.
> >
> >
> > You will love it. IMHO shooting rifles is easier than pistols! But, I
> > grew up with them so it's easy for me to say that.
> >
>
> I've shot air rifles since I was a kid, and I've shot a .22 rifle a
> couple of times (but not in *years*.) But I'm going to try to learn
> with my FIL's bolt-action .30-06 (Remington 700); probably not the best
> choice for a starter gun.

<lol> No, it's not!

Be sure to wear your ear protection! :-)
Dad's got a .30-06. Make sure it has a good recoil pad too.

>
> >
> >> If I did carry for self defense, it would probably be my big
> >> honkin' .45 Ruger revolver just because I can shoot it /much/
> >> better than I can my 9. Or I'd buy a .44 Special snubbie.
> >
> >
> > And where would you stash the big one? <lol>
> >
>
> Obviously amongst all the rolls of fat under my bowling shirt. ;-)

<snicker>

>
> This time of year in Minnesota it really wouldn't be a problem. Just
> wear a holster under my jacket and overcoat. I just don't know if I can
> draw while wearing mittens...

There are mittens that fold over to free the fingers.

>
> Best regards,
> Bob

Have fun with the big rifle!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article .com>, "kevnbro" > wrote:
> If you walk to your car in a parking-lot so oblivious to what's going
>on around you that you fail to notice paper stuck to your rear window
>as you approach... you deserve to have your car jacked. Kev

Yeah? Well, I'm afraid I'm one of those who bungs the groceries into
the car, leaps into the driver's seat, THEN notices that some droid
has stuck the latest advertising brochure under one of the friggin'
wiper blades! (But, so far, no one has been interested in my ancient
ute.

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

On 2006-01-06, jmcquown > wrote:

> Yep, that one has been floating around the Internet for quite a while.

Yeah. The closest I get to a car jacking, these days, is parking at
the mall and taking 10 minutes to remember where.

nb

"kevnbro" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> >Oh stop, will ya? You know people who own guns, and you're perfectly OK
> >with those people.
>
> Certainly I know people who own guns- they leave them locked up at
> home and only bring them out to go hunting or clean 'em.
>
> I don't want to walk the streets with semi-trained, trigger-happy,
> paronoid, wannabee superheros bent on defending humanity from anyone
> who by their definition justifies the drawing of a concealed handgun
> during the unfortunate possibility they cross their path and push the
> wrong buttons.
>

Well, certainly those types exist. But, some of us carry for other reasons,
and with much more skill. I originally got a handgun at the advice of 3-4
game wardens, who commented that in the remote places where I sometimes hike
to go fishing, there are real problems with ferile dogs. More dangerous than
bears, although people like to think otherwise. Although I sometimes carry
"in town", it's highly unlikely I'd try and stop a bank robbery, unless it
was clear that someone's life was threatened, and I could deal with the
situation as well as a cop. Incidentally, quite a few cops are pretty lousy
in terms of gun handling.

In article .com>,
"kevnbro" > wrote:

> >So you would prefer to be a helpless victim?
>
> I'm 41 years old and know no one who's ever been a "helpless victim"
> of a handgun crime or any gun for that matter.
>
> How many do you know?
>

All it takes is 1....... :-(
and all it takes is once.

One of my Doc's office nurses.

If she had been armed and trained, she'd probably be alive today.

Sometimes women make the wrong choices in boyfreinds.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "kevnbro" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > >Oh stop, will ya? You know people who own guns, and you're perfectly OK
> > >with those people.
> >
> > Certainly I know people who own guns- they leave them locked up at
> > home and only bring them out to go hunting or clean 'em.
> >
> > I don't want to walk the streets with semi-trained, trigger-happy,
> > paronoid, wannabee superheros bent on defending humanity from anyone
> > who by their definition justifies the drawing of a concealed handgun
> > during the unfortunate possibility they cross their path and push the
> > wrong buttons.
> >
>
> Well, certainly those types exist. But, some of us carry for other reasons,
> and with much more skill. I originally got a handgun at the advice of 3-4
> game wardens, who commented that in the remote places where I sometimes hike
> to go fishing, there are real problems with ferile dogs. More dangerous than
> bears, although people like to think otherwise. Although I sometimes carry
> "in town", it's highly unlikely I'd try and stop a bank robbery, unless it
> was clear that someone's life was threatened, and I could deal with the
> situation as well as a cop. Incidentally, quite a few cops are pretty lousy
> in terms of gun handling.
>
>

Word.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Doug Kanter wrote:

> Yeah...I know. Color didn't make the story HERE. But, it was significant
> WHERE IT HAPPENED, and I'm too tired to explain why.

Maybe WHERE was significant once upon a time, but no longer. By the time
I became intimate with that part of Rochester in 1990, the elan of East
Avenue and the Eastman House area was no more than a spectral overlay
held on by wishful thinking. Urban decline had set in long before, and
though the region kept up a high-end front, a quick trip through the
interiors of properties for sale or rent in the area revealed the
carelessness and quick-buck attitude of the owners.

That you were accosted by a hooker in that neighborhood comes as no
surprise to me!

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
> Other types of misfeeds occur for other reasons, like lousy gun design, or a
> specific brand/type of ammo that your gun doesn't work well with.

My S&W .22 prefers to use Federal. It doesn't like Remington ammunition at all.
It had always been like that.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> >
> > Other types of misfeeds occur for other reasons, like lousy gun design, or
> > a
> > specific brand/type of ammo that your gun doesn't work well with.
>
> My S&W .22 prefers to use Federal. It doesn't like Remington ammunition at
> all.
> It had always been like that.
>
>
>

Remington products IME are inferior as a general rule. :-P

YMMV.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:33:41 GMT, (Phred)
rummaged among random neurons and opined:

>Yeah? Well, I'm afraid I'm one of those who bungs the groceries into
>the car, leaps into the driver's seat, THEN notices that some droid
>has stuck the latest advertising brochure under one of the friggin'
>wiper blades! (But, so far, no one has been interested in my ancient
>ute.

<Raised hand> Yup, me, too, only I'm usually head down, turning on the
radio, sticking the cell phone on the charge, reverse out of the
parking lot and then and only then do I notice the flier when I've put
the car in drive. Lower window, turn on wipers and try to snag it...

And if the maroon who put it there would only just understand that the
only reason I have *memorized* his advertiser is so that I *never*
patronize the advertiser, he/she might want to find another line of
work.

Annoyingly,
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

In article >,
Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:33:41 GMT, (Phred)
> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
> >Yeah? Well, I'm afraid I'm one of those who bungs the groceries into
> >the car, leaps into the driver's seat, THEN notices that some droid
> >has stuck the latest advertising brochure under one of the friggin'
> >wiper blades! (But, so far, no one has been interested in my ancient
> >ute.
>
> <Raised hand> Yup, me, too, only I'm usually head down, turning on the
> radio, sticking the cell phone on the charge, reverse out of the
> parking lot and then and only then do I notice the flier when I've put
> the car in drive. Lower window, turn on wipers and try to snag it...

<rofl> I do the same thing... The windshield wiper grab the flyer thing.

Then it goes into the trash pile on the floor for later disposal.

I don't litter. You can tell folks that don't litter as all the litter
is on the floor of the passenger side. <G>

>
> And if the maroon who put it there would only just understand that the
> only reason I have *memorized* his advertiser is so that I *never*
> patronize the advertiser, he/she might want to find another line of
> work.

I feel the same way about e-mail spammers.
I won't patronize them just on the principle!

>
> Annoyingly,
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
> AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> Yeah...I know. Color didn't make the story HERE. But, it was significant
>> WHERE IT HAPPENED, and I'm too tired to explain why.
>
> Maybe WHERE was significant once upon a time, but no longer. By the time I
> became intimate with that part of Rochester in 1990, the elan of East
> Avenue and the Eastman House area was no more than a spectral overlay held
> on by wishful thinking. Urban decline had set in long before, and though
> the region kept up a high-end front, a quick trip through the interiors of
> properties for sale or rent in the area revealed the carelessness and
> quick-buck attitude of the owners.
>
> That you were accosted by a hooker in that neighborhood comes as no
> surprise to me!

In retrospect, I guess she was a shrewd business manager. But, I felt pretty
indignant after the whole thing. Try and do something nice for someone and
THAT happens? What the hell????

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Other types of misfeeds occur for other reasons, like lousy gun design,
>> > or
>> > a
>> > specific brand/type of ammo that your gun doesn't work well with.
>>
>> My S&W .22 prefers to use Federal. It doesn't like Remington ammunition
>> at
>> all.
>> It had always been like that.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Remington products IME are inferior as a general rule. :-P
>
> YMMV.

.....and yet, my son shoots it constantly in his rifle, and their handgun
ammo feeds just fine in the Kahr. I dunno.....

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> >> Doug Kanter wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Other types of misfeeds occur for other reasons, like lousy gun design,
> >> > or
> >> > a
> >> > specific brand/type of ammo that your gun doesn't work well with.
> >>
> >> My S&W .22 prefers to use Federal. It doesn't like Remington ammunition
> >> at
> >> all.
> >> It had always been like that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Remington products IME are inferior as a general rule. :-P
> >
> > YMMV.
>
> ....and yet, my son shoots it constantly in his rifle, and their handgun
> ammo feeds just fine in the Kahr. I dunno.....
>
>

Well, might just be a personal preference on my part. YMMV and all that.
:-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > Dave Smith > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Other types of misfeeds occur for other reasons, like lousy gun
>> >> > design,
>> >> > or
>> >> > a
>> >> > specific brand/type of ammo that your gun doesn't work well with.
>> >>
>> >> My S&W .22 prefers to use Federal. It doesn't like Remington
>> >> ammunition
>> >> at
>> >> all.
>> >> It had always been like that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Remington products IME are inferior as a general rule. :-P
>> >
>> > YMMV.
>>
>> ....and yet, my son shoots it constantly in his rifle, and their handgun
>> ammo feeds just fine in the Kahr. I dunno.....
>>
>>
>
> Well, might just be a personal preference on my part. YMMV and all that.
> :-)
> --
> Om.

No - it really is a quirky thing for some guns. A gunsmith could probably
explain it.

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> I don't litter. You can tell folks that don't litter as all the litter
> is on the floor of the passenger side. <G>

LOL! This is so true! I had to clean the passenger side so I could
sit in it while Rich drove us to church on Sunday. All the junk mail,
the flyers from the kids' school, old shopping lists, etc.

Regards,
Ranee

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