Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> I was chatting with Margaret on the telephone last evening. The
> conversation ranged on many topics but the one topic she brought up piqued
> my curiosity. She was telling me stories about her mother at the butcher
> shop and the meat etc., her mother would buy. Unborn eggs were mentioned.
> Now I have never seen an unborn egg. As Margaret pointed out, the chickens
> today are completely cleaned of internal organs with the exception of the
> giblet packet (which I use in stuffing and for stock. The cats get the
> meat after the stock is strained). I started snooping around on Google and
> came across several sites. Some of the sights were from animal activist
> groups ;( I found one site which was interesting. If you are really
> squemish, do not click the HERE link within the article. It is a graphic
> pic of the unborn yolks. There is also a recipe on the page.
>
> http://www.soupsong.com/sharris.html
>
> Michael

I think most of these animal activists are grossly misinformed and
uneducated. If the hen hasn't mated with a rooster why should it
matter if there are "unborn" eggs left inside it? The same thing can
be said about normal eggs. Without a rooster there can be no chicken
embryo. The yolk and white are food for the chicken embryo. The
embryo develops on the yolk but the yolk itself does not develop into a
baby chicken.

"djs0302" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> I think most of these animal activists are grossly misinformed and
> uneducated. If the hen hasn't mated with a rooster why should it
> matter if there are "unborn" eggs left inside it? The same thing can
> be said about normal eggs. Without a rooster there can be no chicken
> embryo. The yolk and white are food for the chicken embryo. The
> embryo develops on the yolk but the yolk itself does not develop into a
> baby chicken.

It just makes you wonder what gives people the idea to eat certain things.

- chicken eggs
- oysters
- fish roe

etc. Mmm. chicken eggs, oysters, and fish roe!

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, rox formerly rmg wrote:

>
> "djs0302" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> > I think most of these animal activists are grossly misinformed and
> > uneducated. If the hen hasn't mated with a rooster why should it
> > matter if there are "unborn" eggs left inside it? The same thing can
> > be said about normal eggs. Without a rooster there can be no chicken
> > embryo. The yolk and white are food for the chicken embryo. The
> > embryo develops on the yolk but the yolk itself does not develop into a
> > baby chicken.
>
> It just makes you wonder what gives people the idea to eat certain things.
>
> - chicken eggs
> - oysters
> - fish roe
>
> etc. Mmm. chicken eggs, oysters, and fish roe!
>

Oh, my!

On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:57:25 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan"
> wrote:

>"djs0302" > looking for trouble wrote in
roups.com:
>
>>
>> Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
>>> I was chatting with Margaret on the telephone last evening. The
>>> conversation ranged on many topics but the one topic she brought up
>>> piqued my curiosity. She was telling me stories about her mother at
>>> the butcher shop and the meat etc., her mother would buy. Unborn
>>> eggs were mentioned. Now I have never seen an unborn egg. As
>>> Margaret pointed out, the chickens today are completely cleaned of
>>> internal organs with the exception of the giblet packet (which I use
>>> in stuffing and for stock. The cats get the meat after the stock is
>>> strained). I started snooping around on Google and came across
>>> several sites. Some of the sights were from animal activist groups
>>> ;( I found one site which was interesting. If you are really
>>> squemish, do not click the HERE link within the article. It is a
>>> graphic pic of the unborn yolks. There is also a recipe on the page.
>>>
>>> http://www.soupsong.com/sharris.html
>>>
>>> Michael
>>
>> I think most of these animal activists are grossly misinformed and
>> uneducated. If the hen hasn't mated with a rooster why should it
>> matter if there are "unborn" eggs left inside it? The same thing can
>> be said about normal eggs. Without a rooster there can be no chicken
>> embryo. The yolk and white are food for the chicken embryo. The
>> embryo develops on the yolk but the yolk itself does not develop into
>> a baby chicken.
>
>At the risk of being flamed, I heartily agree with you. I am also pro-
>choice.

For chickens?

Most animal activists are against killing animals of any age. To get
at the unborn eggs one would have to kill the chicken which, I
imagine, is the main reason they object.

(Clearly, in this case, the chicken *is* first.)

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Curly Sue wrote:
>
> Most animal activists are against killing animals of any age. To get
> at the unborn eggs one would have to kill the chicken which, I
> imagine, is the main reason they object.

I don't think animal activists are necessarily vegetarian or vegan. A
lot of them only care about the pet-type animals. -aem

In article .com>,
"djs0302" > wrote:

> I think most of these animal activists are grossly misinformed and
> uneducated. If the hen hasn't mated with a rooster why should it
> matter if there are "unborn" eggs left inside it? The same thing can
> be said about normal eggs. Without a rooster there can be no chicken
> embryo. The yolk and white are food for the chicken embryo. The
> embryo develops on the yolk but the yolk itself does not develop into a
> baby chicken.

A hen (pullet) is born with all her eggs inside her. She has a
limited number of eggs she can lay because of this. All hens, unless
they are allowed to live until they are absolutely spent will have some
eggs that were unlaid in them. The animal activist crowd is crazy
stupid.

Regards.
Ranee

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This has been a fascinating thread, but no one has answered (or even
asked!) the crucial question -

CAN you still find unborn chicken eggs for sale and if so where???

Cathy

aem wrote:
>
> I don't think animal activists are necessarily vegetarian or vegan. A
> lot of them only care about the pet-type animals. -aem

I know pleanty of "animal activists" and am one myself. You can no
more stereotype an animal rights activist than you can any other person
who happens to belong to a particular group. The only commonality I
can tell is a concern for animal welfare - that is manifested in many
different ways and to many different degrees.

-L.

cathy wrote:
> This has been a fascinating thread, but no one has answered (or even
> asked!) the crucial question -
>
> CAN you still find unborn chicken eggs for sale and if so where???

Yes. Try a halal butcher.

When I lived in north London there was a halal butcher where I regularly
shopped, primarily because their prices were cheaper than the
supermarket. Their chickens were plucked but not drawn. If you asked for
one, they would take it down from the ceiling hooks on which it hung and
put it on the butchers block. Then they removed the feet and the head,
and then somehow drew the chicken with an enormous cleaver. I can't
remember how that worked. The result, though, was that when I came to
finish prepping the bird for cooking, there were often quite a few
"unborn" eggs of varying sizes. They were great fried in a bit of real
butter.

RobtE

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:59:57 +0000, RobtE > wrote:

>cathy wrote:
>> This has been a fascinating thread, but no one has answered (or even
>> asked!) the crucial question -
>>
>> CAN you still find unborn chicken eggs for sale and if so where???
>
>Yes. Try a halal butcher.

I have, but I'm in the US and they seem to be illegal here (the unborn
eggs, not halal butchers). Iv'e been to/called every kosher and halal
butcher I can find in the Los Angeles area and half of them don't even
know what I'm talking about. The other half just say they can't get
them any more.

When I was a kid we used to get them all the time at the market, and
we put them in chicken soup. Everybody fought over who would get them.
The flavor and texture were so wonderful. I really have a craving for
those little eggies....

Cathy
>
>When I lived in north London there was a halal butcher where I regularly
>shopped, primarily because their prices were cheaper than the
>supermarket. Their chickens were plucked but not drawn. If you asked for
>one, they would take it down from the ceiling hooks on which it hung and
>put it on the butchers block. Then they removed the feet and the head,
>and then somehow drew the chicken with an enormous cleaver. I can't
>remember how that worked. The result, though, was that when I came to
>finish prepping the bird for cooking, there were often quite a few
>"unborn" eggs of varying sizes. They were great fried in a bit of real
>butter.
>
>RobtE

RobtE wrote:
> cathy wrote:
>
>> This has been a fascinating thread, but no one has answered (or even
>> asked!) the crucial question -
>>
>> CAN you still find unborn chicken eggs for sale and if so where???
>
>
> Yes. Try a halal butcher.
>
> When I lived in north London there was a halal butcher where I regularly
> shopped, primarily because their prices were cheaper than the
> supermarket. Their chickens were plucked but not drawn. If you asked for
> one, they would take it down from the ceiling hooks on which it hung and
> put it on the butchers block. Then they removed the feet and the head,
> and then somehow drew the chicken with an enormous cleaver. I can't
> remember how that worked. The result, though, was that when I came to
> finish prepping the bird for cooking, there were often quite a few
> "unborn" eggs of varying sizes. They were great fried in a bit of real
> butter.
>
> RobtE

Sautéed not in butter but in a bit of chicken fat (schmalz), together
with some chicken livers and sliced onions. If you rendered the
chicken fat at the same time, you had the eggs, the livers and the
cracklings all at the same time. It was a very popular Jewish
appetizer dish for a holiday or Friday night dinner.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> If you put it like that, I am an animal activist to a certain degree.
> OTOH, I am not neurotic about it. I am realistic. I do what I can and I
> know I can't save them all.
>
> Michael

Oh, ITA. You do what you can when you can.
-L.

cathy wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:59:57 +0000, RobtE > wrote:
>
>
>>cathy wrote:
>>
>>>This has been a fascinating thread, but no one has answered (or even
>>>asked!) the crucial question -
>>>
>>>CAN you still find unborn chicken eggs for sale and if so where???
>>
>>Yes. Try a halal butcher.
>
>
> I have, but I'm in the US and they seem to be illegal here (the unborn
> eggs, not halal butchers). Iv'e been to/called every kosher and halal
> butcher I can find in the Los Angeles area and half of them don't even
> know what I'm talking about. The other half just say they can't get
> them any more.
>
> When I was a kid we used to get them all the time at the market, and
> we put them in chicken soup. Everybody fought over who would get them.
> The flavor and texture were so wonderful. I really have a craving for
> those little eggies....
>
> Cathy
>
>>When I lived in north London there was a halal butcher where I regularly
>>shopped, primarily because their prices were cheaper than the
>>supermarket. Their chickens were plucked but not drawn. If you asked for
>>one, they would take it down from the ceiling hooks on which it hung and
>>put it on the butchers block. Then they removed the feet and the head,
>>and then somehow drew the chicken with an enormous cleaver. I can't
>>remember how that worked. The result, though, was that when I came to
>>finish prepping the bird for cooking, there were often quite a few
>>"unborn" eggs of varying sizes. They were great fried in a bit of real
>>butter.
>>
>>RobtE
>
>
Im not sure if i am comprehending this subject accurately, but, i
recently found 18 eggs for less than a dollar at a local Asian market
and went to purchase them and was, fortunately, told by the owner of the
market that they were duck foetus's (feti?) unhatched ducks, which are a
delicacy in Asia and often used.

Having grown up on a family farm i am familiar with an unhatched eggs
and the embryos, baby chicks they can contain.

Consulting various web pages about this subject i have found that they
are sometimes deep fried whole and eaten, bones and all like Ortolan's.
They can also be simmered in soup or other wise prepared and consumed.
---
JL

cathy wrote:
> I have, but I'm in the US and they seem to be illegal here (the unborn
> eggs, not halal butchers). Iv'e been to/called every kosher and halal
> butcher I can find in the Los Angeles area and half of them don't even
> know what I'm talking about. The other half just say they can't get
> them any more.

I'm just educated-guessing, but, given the fairly recent shift in
economics
to highly-processed meat products everywhere (including butcher's
shops)
and the fairly recent increase in paranoia about gut-borne disease
(salmonella
and e. coli, to name two) it's probably a matter of the fact that every
bit of
loose material in the cavity of the bird is removed and the cavity
given a
disinfecting wash before packaging and shipping.

Back when butchers were butchers, you'd have been buying chickens
that had arrived on his back doorstep still clucking. Now they're
sanitized enough to be dispensed by a pharmacist.

--Blair

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> cathy wrote:
>
> > This has been a fascinating thread, but no one has answered (or even
> > asked!) the crucial question -
> >
> > CAN you still find unborn chicken eggs for sale and if so where???
>
> Cathy, I don't know but I am going to find out from my butcher. I'm
> betting he can, or will, set some aside for me.

Latino markets typically sell those undeveloped eggs packaged in one
pound plastic containers same as chicken livers... usually right along
side each other. I doubt you will find them in the typical gringo
stupidmarket.

Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> A hen (pullet) is born with all her eggs inside her.

For that matter, so are human females.

> The animal activist crowd is crazy stupid.

No more so than anyone else.

I don't know why eggs-still-in-hens are illegal in the U.S.,
but it seems quite bizarre that they are kosher, given that
the kosher rule against combining meat with dairy is (as I
understand it) rooted in the idea one should not eat an animal
and its progeny at once.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>
>
>>A hen (pullet) is born with all her eggs inside her.
>
>
> For that matter, so are human females.
>
>
>>The animal activist crowd is crazy stupid.
>
>
> No more so than anyone else.
>
> I don't know why eggs-still-in-hens are illegal in the U.S.,
> but it seems quite bizarre that they are kosher, given that
> the kosher rule against combining meat with dairy is (as I
> understand it) rooted in the idea one should not eat an animal
> and its progeny at once.
>
> Steve

not the meat and it's progeny, but the progeny and the milk which is
produced by the mother. Eggs are considered parve, neither meat or dairy.

--

saerah

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"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
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what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:32:07 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>
>> A hen (pullet) is born with all her eggs inside her.
>
>For that matter, so are human females.
>
>> The animal activist crowd is crazy stupid.
>
>No more so than anyone else.
>
>I don't know why eggs-still-in-hens are illegal in the U.S.,
>but it seems quite bizarre that they are kosher, given that
>the kosher rule against combining meat with dairy is (as I
>understand it) rooted in the idea one should not eat an animal
>and its progeny at once.
>
>Steve


The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.

Boron

Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:32:07 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>
>>Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A hen (pullet) is born with all her eggs inside her.
>>
>>For that matter, so are human females.
>>
>>
>>>The animal activist crowd is crazy stupid.
>>
>>No more so than anyone else.
>>
>>I don't know why eggs-still-in-hens are illegal in the U.S.,
>>but it seems quite bizarre that they are kosher, given that
>>the kosher rule against combining meat with dairy is (as I
>>understand it) rooted in the idea one should not eat an animal
>>and its progeny at once.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
>
> The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
>
> Boron

really? I had no idea.

--

saerah

http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> >
> The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
>
> Boron

What does "fleischig" mean ?

wrote:
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
>>
>>Boron
>
>
> What does "fleischig" mean ?
>
>

a dish that is categorized as "meat" because it contains meat, or is
made with cookware/untensils that have been used to cook meat.

--

saerah

http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

sarah bennett > wrote:

wrote:

>> What does "fleischig" mean ?

>a dish that is categorized as "meat" because it contains meat, or is
>made with cookware/untensils that have been used to cook meat.

Thanks.

Yes, it would seem impossible to serve an unborn chicken egg both
without meat, and without having used utensils that were used
on meat.

(What a pleasant thought.)

S.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:51:30 -0600, > wrote:

>
>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
.. .
>> >
>> The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
>>
>> Boron
>
>What does "fleischig" mean ?
>

The unborn eggs are considered as meat.

Boron

"sarah bennett" > wrote in message
t...
> wrote:
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
>>>
>>>Boron
>>
>>
>> What does "fleischig" mean ?
>>
>>
>
> a dish that is categorized as "meat" because it contains meat, or is made
> with cookware/untensils that have been used to cook meat.
>


Thank you.

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:51:30 -0600, > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> >
> >> The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
> >>
> >> Boron
> >
> >What does "fleischig" mean ?
> >
>
> The unborn eggs are considered as meat.
>
> Boron

Why are unborn eggs considered "feshig" but born eggs are parve (neutral,
can be eaten with meat OR milk)?

Rand

tuppy wrote:
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:51:30 -0600, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>The unborn eggs are considered fleischig.
>>>>
>>>>Boron
>>>
>>>What does "fleischig" mean ?
>>>
>>
>>The unborn eggs are considered as meat.
>>
>>Boron
>
>
> Why are unborn eggs considered "feshig" but born eggs are parve (neutral,
> can be eaten with meat OR milk)?
>
> Rand
>
>

maybe because the only way to get them is when they are still in the
body of the hen? I bet there are like pages of arguments in the Talmud
about this.

--

saerah

http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

tuppy wrote:
> Why are unborn eggs considered "feshig" but born eggs are parve (neutral,
> can be eaten with meat OR milk)?

Why is the capybara a fish?

--Blair
"Why do we kneel and ask ghosts for favors?"

"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> tuppy wrote:
> > Why are unborn eggs considered "feshig" but born eggs are parve
(neutral,
> > can be eaten with meat OR milk)?
>
> Why is the capybara a fish?
>
> --Blair
> "Why do we kneel and ask ghosts for favors?"
>

Why did you even bother?

tuppy wrote:
> "Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
> > tuppy wrote:
> > > Why are unborn eggs considered "feshig" but born eggs are parve
> >
> > Why is the capybara a fish?
>
> Why did you even bother?

I like pointing out the irony of arbitrary nonsense.

Why did /you/ bother? is the better question.

--Blair

On 16 Jan 2006 22:22:22 -0800, "Blair P. Houghton"
> wrote:

>tuppy wrote:
>> "Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>> > tuppy wrote:
>> > > Why are unborn eggs considered "feshig" but born eggs are parve
>> >
>> > Why is the capybara a fish?
>>
>> Why did you even bother?
>
>I like pointing out the irony of arbitrary nonsense.
>

One could examine the traditions, rules and regulations of virtually
any religion and decide they are arbitrary nonsense. In fact, a good
many people think that of any religion except their own. Prohibitions
on dancing or drinking or tattoos, or think about transubstantiation,
repeating phrases over and over, counting beads, refusing medicines,
praying facing a certain direction, allowing art, not allowing art,
cutting off bits of flesh, talking to ancestors....the list is as long
as world history. There is no reason to single any one religion for
goofy traits or arbitrary nonsense. They all have them and have been
warring over them a long, long time.

Boron

Boron Elgar wrote:
> One could examine the traditions, rules and regulations of virtually
> any religion and decide they are arbitrary nonsense.

But then, one would have to be rational.

And if one were rational, one would realize that the word could should
be "would" and the word "virtually" is superfluous.

--Blair