Nancy Young wrote on 26 Jan 2006 in rec.food.cooking

>
> "notbob" > wrote
>
> > On 2006-01-26, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> >> means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
> >> coarse a string.
> >
> > Now see, that's what I was talking about. Sure, different varieties
> > have different seasons and different skins and pest resistance, etc,
> > but I was referring mainly to a difference in taste. While I agree
> > that you are essentially correct in that ***haricot verts*** means
little
> > more than green beans, I was looking for more that simple response,
> > which you have provided under continued harassment (heh...).
>
> Hey, I got him to say something more clever than Green. Bean.
> Didn't I?
>
> nancy
>
>

Wouldn't that be haricots vert...green beans ...not haricot
verts...greens bean.

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"Mr Libido Incognito" > wrote in message
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> Nancy Young wrote on 26 Jan 2006 in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> "notbob" > wrote
>>
>> > On 2006-01-26, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> >
>> >> means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
>> >> coarse a string.
>> >
>> > Now see, that's what I was talking about. Sure, different varieties
>> > have different seasons and different skins and pest resistance, etc,
>> > but I was referring mainly to a difference in taste. While I agree
>> > that you are essentially correct in that ***haricot verts*** means
> little
>> > more than green beans, I was looking for more that simple response,
>> > which you have provided under continued harassment (heh...).
>>
>> Hey, I got him to say something more clever than Green. Bean.
>> Didn't I?
>>
>> nancy
>>
>>
>
> Wouldn't that be haricots vert...green beans ...not haricot
> verts...greens bean.

Not sure. In Spanish, a plural noun gets a plural adjective. Frijoles
negros - black beans. Perro negro - black dog. What about French?

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> I recall reading someone reminiscing their near monastic life in Paris
> and how they always looked forward to a simple meal of haricot verts
> sauted in butter. So, the other day when I ran across some in our
> high-end supermarket, I bought them and gave it a try. Fabulous. Now,
> I know h/v are just green beans, but I've never seen any like these.
> They were only 4-5" long and about a 1/4" in diameter. So, are these
> just baby green beans or a different species?
>
> nb

I believe they are -- or can be -- a different varietal.
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
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> Nexis wrote:
>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > notbob wrote:
>> >
>> >> I recall reading someone reminiscing their near monastic life in Paris
>> >> and how they always looked forward to a simple meal of haricot verts
>> >> sauted in butter. So, the other day when I ran across some in our
>> >> high-end supermarket, I bought them and gave it a try. Fabulous.
>> >> Now,
>> >> I know h/v are just green beans, but I've never seen any like these.
>> >> They were only 4-5" long and about a 1/4" in diameter. So, are these
>> >> just baby green beans or a different species?
>> >
>> > haricots ..... beans
>> > vert....... green
>> >
>> > haricot verts ...... green beans
>> >
>>
>> Very helpful. Really.
>> He didn't ask what haricot verts translates to.
>> If you don't know the answer, maybe it's best to find out from someone
>> who
>> does?
>
> I thought it was helpful. Haricots verts is French for green beans. They
> may
> be a different species of the more popularly commercial varieties of beans
> here, but they are still green beans.
>

Once again, he didn't ask if they were green beans. He KNOWS they are green
beans. He asked if they are a different variety (to which the answer is YES)
or just baby green beans.
I'm sorry if I came off snippy, I'm very stressed lately for reasons that
have nothing to do with this. It was just the umpteenth answer that didn't
answer anything and I lost it

kimberly

Dave Smith wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>>>Silly. That would be haricots de Lima.
>>
>>Green. Beans.
>>
>>Haricots verd.
>
>
> You are being obtuse Nancy. You know that there is a vegetable
> called green beans and you know that there is a completely
> style of bean called Lima beans. No one has suggested that
> green beans are interchangeable with Lima beans, white, beans,
> broad beans, navy beans, pinto beans, black beans, etc., not
> even their very close relative the yellow bean.
>
> Seed vendors have all sorts of variations of the basic fruits
> and vegetables. Most of them have a number and letter
> designation and then a marketing name. Some of them have
> varieties that are marketed as Haricots verts, but that just
> means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
> coarse a string.
>

On the topic of seed vendors and since I'm drooling over the new seed
catelogues in prep for this year's garden, I thought I would toss this
into the conversation. Seed vendors generally divide beans into two
categories, bush or pole. In general, pole beans tend to be heavier
bearers. These two categories are further divided into yellow or green
but there is also burgundy. The burgundy is rather interesting in the
bean is a deep burgundy but turns green when cooked. Then the beans can
be string or stringless. I *think* that covers the basics but some seed
vendors may subdivid the categories further. The broad/fava beans are
another category but not of real interest to this discussion. I have
grown both bush and pole beans. By far, Kentucky Wonder pole beans are
ideal for canning or freezing and fresh eating but you do have to be
sure to pick before the string gets too hard. These are great producers
with large pods about 8" long. Be warned, mine filled an 8' tall
trellis last year and were still expanding near the end of October.
I've had lesser yields with the bush beans with golden wax and royal
burgundy being the best producers. This year I intend to plant a
Kentucy Wonder Was yellow bean and likely eliminate the golden wax. I
want heavy yielders for freezing and canning. One seed vendor has a
variety called *French Horticultural Bush*. The pods are picked when 6"
long and used as snap beans but the pods are red/yellow so that wouldn't
fit into what the OP was talking about. My guess is what the OP had was
either a string bean picked early enough to prevent harding of the
string or something ling Slenderette that has 5" slender, smooth,
stringless pods. It is really hard to say as different vendors use
different names sometimes.

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
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>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>>
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> Not just 'green beans.'
>>>
>>> No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
>>> thing as green beans.
>>
>> Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
>> when you don't get haricots verds.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> What??? That's silly. They're the same thing, Nancy. Let's say you tell a
> friend you want mesclun for lunch. The friend invites you over for lunch,
> puts a bowl of salad on the table, and says, "Here's some arugula,
> chicory, baby spinach, mache, cress, young escarole, dandelion greens and
> mustard greens. Enjoy!" You've just received mesclun, right? Or no,
> because she didn't use that word?

I think the point is that they are a specific green bean. You don't go to a
restaurant and ask for a New York Strip if you want a Rib-Eye. Yes, they're
both steak. Yes, both beef. Are they the same thing? Hell no!

kimberly

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> I believe they are -- or can be -- a different varietal.
> --
Yes, as already established early in this thread before the boys
started joking about translations. It would probably be more accurate
to call them French filet beans, but haricots verts is well established
in common usage. Jill might be right about what actually gets
marketed some places but not about the C&W nor the Trader Joe's frozen
product. Having grown several varieties I can tell you that a young,
small, "regular" bean like Kentucky Wonder or Blue Lake cannot possibly
pass itself off as a French filet or haricot vert. The basic shape is
noticeably thinner, even when they're seven inches long. -aem

Doug Kanter wrote on 26 Jan 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> > Wouldn't that be haricots vert...green beans ...not haricot
> > verts...greens bean.
>
> Not sure. In Spanish, a plural noun gets a plural adjective. Frijoles
> negros - black beans. Perro negro - black dog. What about French?
>
>
>
>

I know not...that's why I asked.

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But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
> Doug Kanter wrote on 26 Jan 2006 in rec.food.cooking
>
> > > Wouldn't that be haricots vert...green beans ...not haricot
> > > verts...greens bean.
> >
> > Not sure. In Spanish, a plural noun gets a plural adjective. Frijoles
> > negros - black beans. Perro negro - black dog. What about French?
> >
> I know not...that's why I asked.
>
French, Spanish and the other Latin-derived languages want agreement of
number between nouns and their adjectives. So haricots verts plural,
haricot vert singular. -aem

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
> > Wouldn't that be haricots vert...green beans ...not haricot
> > verts...greens bean.
>
> Not sure. In Spanish, a plural noun gets a plural adjective. Frijoles
> negros - black beans. Perro negro - black dog. What about French?

One haricot vert or two haricots verts

notbob wrote:

> On 2006-01-26, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
> > coarse a string.
>
> Now see, that's what I was talking about. Sure, different varieties
> have different seasons and different skins and pest resistance, etc,
> but I was referring mainly to a difference in taste. While I agree
> that you are essentially correct in that haricot verts means little more
> than green beans,

I told you earlier that the French pick them young and if they get them
after the beans have got big and tough they slice them and remove the
beans...... Frenched.

> I was looking for more that simple response, which
> you have provided under continued harassment (heh...). I'm sure the
> beans I discoverd at my local Safeway were nothing more the infant
> green beans packaged nicely and labeled to sell. But, they sure were
> good!

Green beans are always best fresh out of the garden and if you grow them
yourself you can get out there and harvest them young. They are still small
and tender and the seeds.... beans.... are barely there. That is too labour
intensive for large scale farmers. When you pick them young the plants will
keep producing more.

Nexis wrote:

>
>
> > What??? That's silly. They're the same thing, Nancy. Let's say you tell a
> > friend you want mesclun for lunch. The friend invites you over for lunch,
> > puts a bowl of salad on the table, and says, "Here's some arugula,
> > chicory, baby spinach, mache, cress, young escarole, dandelion greens and
> > mustard greens. Enjoy!" You've just received mesclun, right? Or no,
> > because she didn't use that word?
>
> I think the point is that they are a specific green bean. You don't go to a
> restaurant and ask for a New York Strip if you want a Rib-Eye. Yes, they're
> both steak. Yes, both beef. Are they the same thing? Hell no!
>

No Kimberly, the point is that they are not a specific green bean. People are
probably more aware of the varieties of corn, like Seneca Chief and Peaches and
Cream, or Tomatoes (Beefsteak, Roma) and there are indeed different varieties
of green beans, and some of them have been marketed as Haricots Verts, but it is
just a marketing gimmick as Green Beans aka string beans, are a types of bean
with a tasty pod, as opposed to other types of bean plants where the pods are
discarded and the beans inside are cooked, dried or otherwise processed on their
own, and haricots verts is just a straight translation of green bean.

"Nexis" > wrote in message
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>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>>>
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Not just 'green beans.'
>>>>
>>>> No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
>>>> thing as green beans.
>>>
>>> Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
>>> when you don't get haricots verds.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>
>> What??? That's silly. They're the same thing, Nancy. Let's say you tell
>> a friend you want mesclun for lunch. The friend invites you over for
>> lunch, puts a bowl of salad on the table, and says, "Here's some arugula,
>> chicory, baby spinach, mache, cress, young escarole, dandelion greens and
>> mustard greens. Enjoy!" You've just received mesclun, right? Or no,
>> because she didn't use that word?
>
> I think the point is that they are a specific green bean. You don't go to
> a restaurant and ask for a New York Strip if you want a Rib-Eye. Yes,
> they're both steak. Yes, both beef. Are they the same thing? Hell no!
>
> kimberly
>

My objection to all this is the occasional floating of some foreign word to
aggrandize a common food, and, of course, charge more for it. It's a
friggin' green bean. It's shape is a little different from other green
beans, but the same as others. It's popular in France. That's it. It's not
the next "spice of the year" (which, per Bon Appetit magazine, was salt, in
1999).

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Nexis wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > What??? That's silly. They're the same thing, Nancy. Let's say you
>> > tell a
>> > friend you want mesclun for lunch. The friend invites you over for
>> > lunch,
>> > puts a bowl of salad on the table, and says, "Here's some arugula,
>> > chicory, baby spinach, mache, cress, young escarole, dandelion greens
>> > and
>> > mustard greens. Enjoy!" You've just received mesclun, right? Or no,
>> > because she didn't use that word?
>>
>> I think the point is that they are a specific green bean. You don't go to
>> a
>> restaurant and ask for a New York Strip if you want a Rib-Eye. Yes,
>> they're
>> both steak. Yes, both beef. Are they the same thing? Hell no!
>>
>
> No Kimberly, the point is that they are not a specific green bean.
> People are
> probably more aware of the varieties of corn, like Seneca Chief and
> Peaches and
> Cream, or Tomatoes (Beefsteak, Roma) and there are indeed different
> varieties
> of green beans, and some of them have been marketed as Haricots Verts, but
> it is
> just a marketing gimmick as Green Beans aka string beans, are a types of
> bean
> with a tasty pod, as opposed to other types of bean plants where the pods
> are
> discarded and the beans inside are cooked, dried or otherwise processed on
> their
> own, and haricots verts is just a straight translation of green bean.
>

As the late Henry Mitchell (garden writer) said, non-gardeners may be OK
people, but they really don't know much of anything valuable. :-)

In article . com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >
> > I believe they are -- or can be -- a different varietal.
> > --
> Yes, as already established early in this thread before the boys
> started joking about translations.

Whoops. I don't read everything before i make my own posts.
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