Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?

that's vewy funny

yes of course they have feelings!
it hurts when you boil them

they are kicking and screaming

shrimp too!

steak too!



--
Barry

=^.^=

.... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ...
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>

If you're actually interested, get yourself a copy of an excellent book,
"The Secret Life of Lobsters".

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>

Switch wrote:
>
> it hurts when you boil them
>
> shrimp too!
>
> steak too!

Steak... only when *you* cook it.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

In rec.food.cooking wrote:
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?

You mean, I presume, to ask whether they feel pain - not
whether they get misty-eyed when watching romantic movies
or listening to Barry White albums.

The answer is "no." Their nervous systems are pretty damn
primitive.

If you're at all squeamish, though, you can kill then quickly
by plunging a good stout knife down through the head and then
bringing it down and forward, bisecting the head. Or you can
put them in the freezer for about 15 minutes, which basically
puts them to sleep, before you boil or steam them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/animalrigh...408050,00.html

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wrote:
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?

They have senses for sure, just like we humans who rule the earth. I
suspect they also can sense impending death - a necessary item for
survival and evolution. But I am not knowledgeable about lobsters. I
cannot eat them any more unless it is packaged meat and I don't see the
claws and eyes. They are being depleted too much in the wild also? I
may have read that there is a problem there too.

I have a feeling that being put into a pot and steamed to death is not
a way to go.

Too reminiscent of the Spanish Inquisition.

> wrote in message
oups.com...

> They are being depleted too much in the wild also? I
> may have read that there is a problem there too.

Myth, at least in the New England fishery.

Book: "The Secret Life of Lobsters"

Lobsters die instantly when shocked, ie: by dropping them on the floor,
knocking them against the counter, etc. Steam is hotter than water, so
steaming them will cook them faster than dropping them in a pot of boiling
water if you keep the lid on.

I have not heard anything about the east coast lobster population being in
any sort of trouble. Lobsters migrate, so over a period of several years,
the harvest in say, New England will drop, while the harvest in Gaspe will
increase, as herds of millions of lobsters march across the ocean floor from
place to place. Different locations have bumper years and then cycle to
very poor years.

-JD

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> wrote:
>> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
>> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
>> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
>> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>
> They have senses for sure, just like we humans who rule the earth. I
> suspect they also can sense impending death - a necessary item for
> survival and evolution. But I am not knowledgeable about lobsters. I
> cannot eat them any more unless it is packaged meat and I don't see the
> claws and eyes. They are being depleted too much in the wild also? I
> may have read that there is a problem there too.
>
> I have a feeling that being put into a pot and steamed to death is not
> a way to go.
>
> Too reminiscent of the Spanish Inquisition.
>



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wrote:
> wrote:
>> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
>> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
>> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
>> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>
> They have senses for sure, just like we humans who rule the earth. I
> suspect they also can sense impending death - a necessary item for
> survival and evolution. But I am not knowledgeable about lobsters. I
> cannot eat them any more unless it is packaged meat and I don't see the
> claws and eyes. They are being depleted too much in the wild also? I
> may have read that there is a problem there too.
>
> I have a feeling that being put into a pot and steamed to death is not
> a way to go.
>
> Too reminiscent of the Spanish Inquisition.

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

"John D" > wrote in message
...
> Lobsters die instantly when shocked, ie: by dropping them on the floor,
> knocking them against the counter, etc.

False. Lobsters are fairly simple creatures and are actually relatively hard
to kill.

> Steam is hotter than water, so steaming them will cook them faster than
> dropping them in a pot of boiling water if you keep the lid on.'

False. Steam *can* be hotter than water, under pressure, but in the home
kitchen (pressure cookers excepted) it is at the same temperature as boiling
water - 212f. ANd, since water has a much higher thermal capacity per
volume, it will heat and kill lobsters much faster than steam.

And, fer crying out loud, REPLY AT THE BOTTOM where you are supposed to.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

In article >, on Tue, 14 Feb 2006
09:54:01 -0700, Pennyaline wrote:


> I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.


No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

--
Seth Goodman

This question comes up here, what, at least a couple of times per year?
;-)

Nobody has ever yet totally agreed......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

wrote:
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>




No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
the suggestion into its ear.

I forgive you for axe-ing.

In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
no lack of taste.

gloria p

"Puester" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
>> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
>> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
>> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>>
>
>
>
>
> No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
> the suggestion into its ear.
>
> I forgive you for axe-ing.
>
> In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
> sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
> No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
> no lack of taste.
>
> gloria p

They urinate near other lobsters to attract a mate. That's almost as weird
as being stuck on a Greyhound bus next to Sheldon on a long trip.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> This question comes up here, what, at least a couple of times per year?
> ;-)
>
> Nobody has ever yet totally agreed......
> --
> Peace, Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> Nicholson

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...555599& itm=1

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "Puester" > wrote in message
> ...
> > wrote:
> >> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> >> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> >> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> >> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
> > the suggestion into its ear.
> >
> > I forgive you for axe-ing.
> >
> > In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
> > sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
> > No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
> > no lack of taste.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> They urinate near other lobsters to attract a mate. That's almost as weird
> as being stuck on a Greyhound bus next to Sheldon on a long trip.
>
>

<snork>
Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This question comes up here, what, at least a couple of times per year?
> > ;-)
> >
> > Nobody has ever yet totally agreed......
> > --
> > Peace, Om.
> >
> > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> > Nicholson
>
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...id=ME3ckhBCEi&
> isbn=0060555599&itm=1
>
>

I'm afraid that if I read that, I've never eat Lobster again...

Not that I do often anyway.
I prefer fresh Dungeness crab over lobster any day!

Or very large prawn.....
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "Puester" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > wrote:
>> >> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
>> >> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
>> >> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
>> >> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
>> > the suggestion into its ear.
>> >
>> > I forgive you for axe-ing.
>> >
>> > In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
>> > sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
>> > No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
>> > no lack of taste.
>> >
>> > gloria p
>>
>> They urinate near other lobsters to attract a mate. That's almost as
>> weird
>> as being stuck on a Greyhound bus next to Sheldon on a long trip.
>>
>>
>
> <snork>
> Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
> --
> Peace, Om.

Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting useless facts
like that. You won't be able to put it down.

wrote:
> Do lobsters have feelings?

Just buy her some flowers and tell her you will respect her in the
morning....sheesh - the lengths some people will go to for a date on
V-Day...

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Puester" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> >> >> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> >> >> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> >> >> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
> >> > the suggestion into its ear.
> >> >
> >> > I forgive you for axe-ing.
> >> >
> >> > In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
> >> > sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
> >> > No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
> >> > no lack of taste.
> >> >
> >> > gloria p
> >>
> >> They urinate near other lobsters to attract a mate. That's almost as
> >> weird
> >> as being stuck on a Greyhound bus next to Sheldon on a long trip.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > <snork>
> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
> > --
> > Peace, Om.
>
> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting useless facts
> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
>
>

You are probably right.
And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"BabyJane Hudson" > wrote in message
news
> So that they don't suffer, before I cook one, I always place them in
> the sink and throw in a used hair dryer that I got from some Goodwill
> and electrocute them. Fast and no suffering. Then I boil them. Very
> tasty. I think "frying" them first seers all the juices in or
> something.
>
> Babyjane Hudson

"I could tell my parents hated me. The first bath toy they got me was a
toaster".
-Rodney Dangerfield

In article . com>,
"cathyxyz" > wrote:

> wrote:
> > Do lobsters have feelings?
>
> Just buy her some flowers and tell her you will respect her in the
> morning....sheesh - the lengths some people will go to for a date on
> V-Day...
>
> Cheers
> Cathy(xyz)
>

ROFL!!!

Good one Cathy! ;-D
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

wrote:
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?

Lobsters and other large crustaceans have the worlds largest nerve - it
is used as a model system to study the ion channels in the synapse. So
yes, I would say they do feel pain.

-L.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Puester" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a
>> >> >> cooking
>> >> >> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death.
>> >> >> It
>> >> >> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the
>> >> >> heat
>> >> >> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
>> >> > the suggestion into its ear.
>> >> >
>> >> > I forgive you for axe-ing.
>> >> >
>> >> > In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
>> >> > sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
>> >> > No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
>> >> > no lack of taste.
>> >> >
>> >> > gloria p
>> >>
>> >> They urinate near other lobsters to attract a mate. That's almost as
>> >> weird
>> >> as being stuck on a Greyhound bus next to Sheldon on a long trip.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > <snork>
>> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
>> > --
>> > Peace, Om.
>>
>> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting useless
>> facts
>> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
>>
>>
>
> You are probably right.
> And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)

The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The rest is
normal, whatever that means.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> >> > <snork>
> >> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
> >> > --
> >> > Peace, Om.
> >>
> >> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting useless
> >> facts
> >> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You are probably right.
> > And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
>
> The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The rest is
> normal, whatever that means.

It probably contains Pheromones...

Insects release them into the air. I imagine it's the only way sea
creatures can mimic that concept?
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> >> > <snork>
>> >> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
>> >> > --
>> >> > Peace, Om.
>> >>
>> >> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting useless
>> >> facts
>> >> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > You are probably right.
>> > And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
>>
>> The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The rest
>> is
>> normal, whatever that means.
>
> It probably contains Pheromones...
>
> Insects release them into the air. I imagine it's the only way sea
> creatures can mimic that concept?

Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on all
at once:
-The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
-The methods of the lobstermen
-How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
-Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on lobster
boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of people
who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> >> > <snork>
> >> >> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Peace, Om.
> >> >>
> >> >> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting useless
> >> >> facts
> >> >> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You are probably right.
> >> > And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
> >>
> >> The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The rest
> >> is
> >> normal, whatever that means.
> >
> > It probably contains Pheromones...
> >
> > Insects release them into the air. I imagine it's the only way sea
> > creatures can mimic that concept?
>
> Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on all
> at once:
> -The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
> -The methods of the lobstermen
> -How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
> -Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
> government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on lobster
> boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
> conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of people
> who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
>
>

Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> > <snork>
>> >> >> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Peace, Om.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting
>> >> >> useless
>> >> >> facts
>> >> >> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You are probably right.
>> >> > And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
>> >>
>> >> The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The
>> >> rest
>> >> is
>> >> normal, whatever that means.
>> >
>> > It probably contains Pheromones...
>> >
>> > Insects release them into the air. I imagine it's the only way sea
>> > creatures can mimic that concept?
>>
>> Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on
>> all
>> at once:
>> -The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
>> -The methods of the lobstermen
>> -How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
>> -Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
>> government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on lobster
>> boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
>> conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of
>> people
>> who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
>>
>>
>
> Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
> --
> Peace, Om.

Maybe we should start eating the Japanese.

wrote:
>
> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a
> cooking show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to
> death. It was put into a pot with a little water and then covered
> and the heat turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?

Yes, and he deserved it. Lobsters are the most
bigoted, hate-filled animals in the whole ocean.
Steam them all, that's what I say! :-)

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >> > <snork>
> >> >> >> > Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Peace, Om.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting
> >> >> >> useless
> >> >> >> facts
> >> >> >> like that. You won't be able to put it down.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You are probably right.
> >> >> > And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The
> >> >> rest
> >> >> is
> >> >> normal, whatever that means.
> >> >
> >> > It probably contains Pheromones...
> >> >
> >> > Insects release them into the air. I imagine it's the only way sea
> >> > creatures can mimic that concept?
> >>
> >> Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on
> >> all
> >> at once:
> >> -The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
> >> -The methods of the lobstermen
> >> -How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
> >> -Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
> >> government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on lobster
> >> boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
> >> conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of
> >> people
> >> who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
>
> Maybe we should start eating the Japanese.
>
>

<gasp> That will teach me to be eating celery when I read your posts. ;-)
Nearly got some in my nose! <lol>

They'd probably be greasy.

Long Pig anyone?
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>>
>> Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on
>> all
>> at once:
>> -The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
>> -The methods of the lobstermen
>> -How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
>> -Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
>> government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on lobster
>> boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
>> conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of
>> people
>> who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
>>
>>
>
> Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
> --
> Peace, Om.
>

I find this hard to believe - that the lobstermen are, all on their own,
practicing "near-perfect conservation measures." It simply does not jibe
with 2 facts. First, it is very rare to find large, fully grown lobsters
these days. Second, lobster used to be junk food, so common and cheap that
it was fed to prison inmates (there's a record of a "no more lobster" riot
at a New England prison), and now it is an expensive luxury.

Peter Aitken


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

John D wrote:
> Lobsters die instantly when shocked, ie: by dropping them on the floor,
> knocking them against the counter, etc.

LOL...anyone remember that Frasier episode where the brothers took over
a restaurant, and Niles couldn't bring himself to kill an eel so he
could cook it? Daphne grabbed the tail end of it and whacked it really
hard against the kitchen counter, and just handed it to Niles to throw
in the pot.

N.

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
m...
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on
>>> all
>>> at once:
>>> -The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
>>> -The methods of the lobstermen
>>> -How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
>>> -Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
>>> government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on
>>> lobster
>>> boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
>>> conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of
>>> people
>>> who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
>> --
>> Peace, Om.
>>
>
> I find this hard to believe - that the lobstermen are, all on their own,
> practicing "near-perfect conservation measures." It simply does not jibe
> with 2 facts. First, it is very rare to find large, fully grown lobsters
> these days. Second, lobster used to be junk food, so common and cheap that
> it was fed to prison inmates (there's a record of a "no more lobster" riot
> at a New England prison), and now it is an expensive luxury.
>
> Peter Aitken

Read the book, Peter. As far as expensive, it's not that way when you get
closer to where the lobsters come from. It's freight that makes it
ridiculous, and the special handling required for live lobsters if they are
to be kept fresh.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> WilliansWalker wrote:
> >
> > Do lobsters have feelings?

Does lobster have feelings...

Lobster are extremely sensate creatures, they do feel pain, more
exquistely so than humans... but it's highly debatable whether lobster
are emotional creatures, it's doubtful they feel guilt when they nip
off your two inch fuse.


> Lobsters are the most...

Lobster is the most.

Lobster has a greater IQ than yoose.

Sheldon

In article > ,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> I find this hard to believe - that the lobstermen are, all on their own,
> practicing "near-perfect conservation measures." It simply does not jibe
> with 2 facts. First, it is very rare to find large, fully grown lobsters
> these days. Second, lobster used to be junk food, so common and cheap that
> it was fed to prison inmates (there's a record of a "no more lobster" riot
> at a New England prison), and now it is an expensive luxury.
>
> Peter Aitken

Maybe they've learned it in recent years?

Learned a lesson from the Passenger Pigeon?
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>
>>"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>In article >,
>>>"Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>In article >,
>>>>>"Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><snork>
>>>>>>>>>Glad I was done eating when I read this......... ;-D
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Peace, Om.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Seriously, get that book I mentioned. It's full of interesting
>>>>>>>>useless
>>>>>>>>facts
>>>>>>>>like that. You won't be able to put it down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are probably right.
>>>>>>>And it'd appeal to the zoologist in me. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The pee-pee seduction was the only disgusting thing in the book. The
>>>>>>rest
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>normal, whatever that means.
>>>>>
>>>>>It probably contains Pheromones...
>>>>>
>>>>>Insects release them into the air. I imagine it's the only way sea
>>>>>creatures can mimic that concept?
>>>>
>>>>Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on
>>>>all
>>>>at once:
>>>>-The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
>>>>-The methods of the lobstermen
>>>>-How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
>>>>-Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true because
>>>>government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on lobster
>>>>boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
>>>>conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of
>>>>people
>>>>who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
>>
>>Maybe we should start eating the Japanese.
>>
>>
>
>
> <gasp> That will teach me to be eating celery when I read your posts. ;-)
> Nearly got some in my nose! <lol>
>
> They'd probably be greasy.
>
> Long Pig anyone?

And considering they're not reproducing enough to replace themselves,
they'll soon be declared an endangered species.

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
> m...
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Probably. Anyway, the book's got a number of concurrent themes going on
>>>> all
>>>> at once:
>>>> -The anatomy & behavior of lobsters
>>>> -The methods of the lobstermen
>>>> -How life revolves around the seasonality of the job
>>>> -Issue surrounding overfishing, which turn out to be not so true
>>>> because
>>>> government scientists never really bothered to actually go out on
>>>> lobster
>>>> boats and see that lobstermen were already practicing near-perfect
>>>> conservation measures, based on the habits of several generations of
>>>> people
>>>> who simply saw the obvious: No more lobsters, no more jobs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wish the Japanese would learn that... :-(
>>> --
>>> Peace, Om.
>>>
>>
>> I find this hard to believe - that the lobstermen are, all on their own,
>> practicing "near-perfect conservation measures." It simply does not jibe
>> with 2 facts. First, it is very rare to find large, fully grown lobsters
>> these days. Second, lobster used to be junk food, so common and cheap
>> that it was fed to prison inmates (there's a record of a "no more
>> lobster" riot at a New England prison), and now it is an expensive
>> luxury.
>>
>> Peter Aitken
>
> Read the book, Peter. As far as expensive, it's not that way when you get
> closer to where the lobsters come from. It's freight that makes it
> ridiculous, and the special handling required for live lobsters if they
> are to be kept fresh.
>

I will read the book, but I am skeptical. This would not be the first book
to talk about fishing from the commercial fisherman's perspective and give a
very upbeat, but biologically inaccurate, picture of the conservation
situation. Although if the lobster stocks are indeed in good shape it would
sure cheer me up.


--
Peter Aitken

Read the information on this site. It talks of how they protect females
and large breeders

http://www.atwoodlobster.com/site/protection.asp

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Read the information on this site. It talks of how they protect females
> and large breeders
>
> http://www.atwoodlobster.com/site/protection.asp
>

That's an interesting web site but you have missed the point. Someone
claimed that the lobster fishermen were, on their own, practicing good
conservation techniques. You respond with a site that lists a bunch of laws
for lobster conservation. This is a totally different thing. If there are
good laws, and if the lobsters are indeed being conserved, that's great. But
it bears no relevance to the claim that the fishermen are doing it on their
own. In fact it suggests the opposite. If the fishermen were doing it on
their own, why are the laws needed?


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:25:05 GMT, Puester >
wrote:

wrote:
>> Do lobsters have feelings? The reason that I axe is that on a cooking
>> show recently(Mike Smiths') a live lobster was steamed to death. It
>> was put into a pot with a little water and then covered and the heat
>> turned on. Did this lobster suffer for a long time?

>No. It pretended it was in a sauna after Mike whispered
>the suggestion into its ear.
>
>I forgive you for axe-ing.
>
>In my experience lobsters feel depression, submersion,
>sadness, grief, elation (many are bi-polar)and orgasm.
>No pain, no regrets, no tension, and surprisingly,
>no lack of taste.
>
Yeah, but they have very thick skins. I tried to insult one once and
the little bugger just ignored me.

Hey, maybe they have kill files!

modom