I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.

essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:

Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
office, etc...
And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
Special Services Department

In article . com>,
" > wrote:

> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
>
> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
>
> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
> office, etc...
> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
> Special Services Department
>

Facinating...

One of the 100% alcohols we have at work is Anhydrous Methanol.

Not exactly drinkable. <G> We use it for fixing slides.

There IS reagent alcohol that is 100%, but it's 90% Ethanol, 5%
Isopropanol and 5% Methanol.

Not exactly drinkable......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article . com>,
> " > wrote:
>
>> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
>> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
>> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
>> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
>>
>> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
>>
>> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
>> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
>> office, etc...
>> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
>> Special Services Department
>>
>
> Facinating...
>
> One of the 100% alcohols we have at work is Anhydrous Methanol.
>
> Not exactly drinkable. <G> We use it for fixing slides.
>
> There IS reagent alcohol that is 100%, but it's 90% Ethanol, 5%
> Isopropanol and 5% Methanol.
>
> Not exactly drinkable......

I can't imagine why anyone would want or need to drink 200 proof alcohol
anyway.

Jill

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > " > wrote:
> >
> >> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
> >> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
> >> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
> >> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
> >>
> >> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
> >> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
> >> office, etc...
> >> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
> >> Special Services Department
> >>
> >
> > Facinating...
> >
> > One of the 100% alcohols we have at work is Anhydrous Methanol.
> >
> > Not exactly drinkable. <G> We use it for fixing slides.
> >
> > There IS reagent alcohol that is 100%, but it's 90% Ethanol, 5%
> > Isopropanol and 5% Methanol.
> >
> > Not exactly drinkable......
>
> I can't imagine why anyone would want or need to drink 200 proof alcohol
> anyway.
>
> Jill
>
>

Indeed. ;-)

The 190 proof is more than strong enough for spiking!

Back when I was in College, the Fencing club parties would use Everclear
190 for "Trashcan punch".

4 liters Ginger Ale
2 quarts Rainbow Sherbet
1 liter Everclear 190

Could not even taste the alcohol...
You'd be on your A** before you knew it if you were not careful!

The Fencers were a wild bunch. <lol> I tool 2 semesters of foil, then
spent the other two years fighting Saber. It was more realistic so FAR
more fun. :-D

I did not like Epee. The blade was too stiff and it hurt WAY too much if
you got a sadistic opponent. Saber was bad enough with the stripe shaped
bruises I got on my arms (and sometimes across the back!) after a
tournament.

Damn it hurt to get popped across the back! Never lunge if your
opponents blade is up. They can pop you across the top of the mask and
the blade acts like a whip if your parry is not quick enough!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
pgluth1 > wrote:

> Everclear is 190 proof, and since I live in a heavily Polish settled area,
> there are a few 180 and 190 vodkas. However, speaking from 20 years of
> bartending experience, I do not recommend anyone using these to spike
> punches. In my younger days, I had far too many incidents where I had to
> drive someone to the emergency room because "they just couldn't taste the
> alcohol." A nice buzz is one thing, but barfing can wreck a party.

Yes, but it's all too common a practice.
At least the fencing club WARNED it's members how the punch was made.

Not that that will always help as we were talking college students. ;-)
There were no incidents at any of the parties I attended.

A lot depends on how well it's diluted. We made 2 1/2 gallons of punch
for a liter of Everclear. Let's see...

That's approx. a 1 to 11 dilution so brought the proof down to less than
5. (just under 10% alcohol).

What is the average proof of wine or beer?

>
> Moreover, though I recommend 151 rum for a few tropical drinks, if used by
> itself the volume should be reduced by half. You get the great taste of the
> rum without diluting the drink - perfect for frozen drinks. (On a tasting
> note, I recommend Lemonhart 151 over Bacardi 151 any day.)
>

Rum is good stuff. :-)
Easy to over-do just about anything tho'.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article om>,
"cathyxyz" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> >
> > Damn it hurt to get popped across the back! Never lunge if your
> > opponents blade is up. They can pop you across the top of the mask and
> > the blade acts like a whip if your parry is not quick enough!
>
> I knew there was a reason I'd rather rather be your friend than foe!
> Heh.

<G> That was back in my college days...
I've not fenced in nearly 20 years. ;-)
But I've not forgotten it all, not after taking it for 3 years.
The 4th year was clinicals and we were no longer at the University for
that.

I've only messed around with it a little bit at SCA events that my
sister drags me too. Most of the time, I play chess!

> But getting back to the alcohol - the worst I have ever come
> across is Stroh Rum (sp?).... 80-something-proof! Ugh. Could not even
> get it close to my mouth - the fumes alone made my eyes water.... I'll
> stick to wine - thank-you-very-much - 11 or 12 percent is fine

Heh! I know what you mean...
I'm somewhat ok with some of the 80 proof Vodka's, but that's about my
limit.

I've gotten out of the habit of drinking hard stuff "straight up" as
much so last time I tried it, it did take my breath away. You lose your
tolerance to doing that unless you do it routinely it seems?

>
> Cheers
> Cathy(xyz)

Cheers! :-) <clink>

>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

jmcquown wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > " > wrote:
> >
> >> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
> >> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
> >> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
> >> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
> >>
> >> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
> >> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
> >> office, etc...
> >> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
> >> Special Services Department
> >>
> >
> > Facinating...
> >
> > One of the 100% alcohols we have at work is Anhydrous Methanol.
> >
> > Not exactly drinkable. <G> We use it for fixing slides.
> >
> > There IS reagent alcohol that is 100%, but it's 90% Ethanol, 5%
> > Isopropanol and 5% Methanol.
> >
> > Not exactly drinkable......
>
> I can't imagine why anyone would want or need to drink 200 proof alcohol
> anyway.
>
> Jill

Try, you can imagine.

The 200 proof was cut down for parties. In pints, it's quite compact
and takes up half the space of the usual alcohol bottles since it's
literally twice as potent.

Since this was a surgical research unit, there apparently were many
uses for it since I found 200 proof bottles in abundance, along with
190 proof 55 gallon drums. My area of research did not involve using
the alcohol so I do not know why the other researchers needed it but
many were doing the transplantation research that led later to the
common kidney, liver, and heart transplants of today, I would not be
surprised if there was a genuine need for it, aside from parties at the
research unit.

Having a really big whiskey distiller nearby and not many regulations
as today, this was all quite a simple affair in ordering and delivery.

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> That's approx. a 1 to 11 dilution so brought the proof down to less than
> 5. (just under 10% alcohol).

Oops! Make that 20 proof, sorry!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:


> I've gotten out of the habit of drinking hard stuff "straight up" as
> much so last time I tried it, it did take my breath away. You lose your
> tolerance to doing that unless you do it routinely it seems?

I think you're right. I drank brandy when I was much, much younger...
(even then, one or two per night was my limit).. and I had a very "bad
experience" with (cheap) tequila once.... so now I only drink wine and
the odd "Irish coffee" after a meal... DH likes a good whisky, but I
can't stand the stuff straight.... no accounting for taste, so I am
told

>
> Cheers! :-) <clink>

Bottoms up!

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

In article . com>,
"cathyxyz" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>
> > I've gotten out of the habit of drinking hard stuff "straight up" as
> > much so last time I tried it, it did take my breath away. You lose your
> > tolerance to doing that unless you do it routinely it seems?
>
> I think you're right. I drank brandy when I was much, much younger...
> (even then, one or two per night was my limit).. and I had a very "bad
> experience" with (cheap) tequila once.... so now I only drink wine and
> the odd "Irish coffee" after a meal... DH likes a good whisky, but I
> can't stand the stuff straight.... no accounting for taste, so I am
> told
>
> >
> > Cheers! :-) <clink>
>
> Bottoms up!
>
> Cheers
> Cathy(xyz)
>

:-D Indubitably!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

jmcquown wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>>In article . com>,
>> " > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
>>>thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
>>>sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
>>> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
>>>
>>>essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
>>>
>>>Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
>>>The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
>>>office, etc...
>>>And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
>>>Special Services Department
>>>
>>
>>Facinating...
>>
>>One of the 100% alcohols we have at work is Anhydrous Methanol.
>>
>>Not exactly drinkable. <G> We use it for fixing slides.
>>
>>There IS reagent alcohol that is 100%, but it's 90% Ethanol, 5%
>>Isopropanol and 5% Methanol.
>>
>>Not exactly drinkable......
>
>
> I can't imagine why anyone would want or need to drink 200 proof alcohol
> anyway.
>
> Jill
>
>
When we lived in Saudi Arabia a lot of folks had stills with 5 or 6 foot
reflux columns and in two or three runs they would make 200 proof, aka
100% alcohol. Cut four times with distilled water a gallon of the stuff
wold be 4 gallons of drinking whiskey. The pure quill stuff had no
esters in it so generally no headaches. Take an unfinished oak axe
handle, chip it up and turn it to charcoal in the oven, put some in each
bottle and it turned the amber of sipping whiskey. Any outfit with that
many chemical and petroleum engineers is going to turn out some good stuff.

Funny part is that the Saudi merchants sold lots of flavorings that
folks used to add to their alky to make liquers. Some fine beer and wine
makers lived there in the international community where we were too. Of
course if you were caught you lost your job, sometimes your freedom for
a while, and were deported pretty quick. Still, quite an accomplishment
and a lot of work just for a drink.

George

George Shirley wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article . com>,
>>> " > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
>>>> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
>>>> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
>>>> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
>>>>
>>>> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
>>>> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
>>>> office, etc...
>>>> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
>>>> Special Services Department
>>>>
>>>
>>> Facinating...
>>>
>>> One of the 100% alcohols we have at work is Anhydrous Methanol.
>>>
>>> Not exactly drinkable. <G> We use it for fixing slides.
>>>
>>> There IS reagent alcohol that is 100%, but it's 90% Ethanol, 5%
>>> Isopropanol and 5% Methanol.
>>>
>>> Not exactly drinkable......
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't imagine why anyone would want or need to drink 200 proof alcohol
>> anyway.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
> When we lived in Saudi Arabia a lot of folks had stills with 5 or 6 foot
> reflux columns and in two or three runs they would make 200 proof, aka
> 100% alcohol. Cut four times with distilled water a gallon of the stuff
> wold be 4 gallons of drinking whiskey. The pure quill stuff had no
> esters in it so generally no headaches. Take an unfinished oak axe
> handle, chip it up and turn it to charcoal in the oven, put some in each
> bottle and it turned the amber of sipping whiskey. Any outfit with that
> many chemical and petroleum engineers is going to turn out some good stuff.
>
> Funny part is that the Saudi merchants sold lots of flavorings that
> folks used to add to their alky to make liquers. Some fine beer and wine
> makers lived there in the international community where we were too. Of
> course if you were caught you lost your job, sometimes your freedom for
> a while, and were deported pretty quick. Still, quite an accomplishment
> and a lot of work just for a drink.
>
> George
>


They thought they were making 200 proof, but really it was just below
192 proof. (if they were chemical engineers, they knew it wasn't really
200 proof because 192 is a limit, but 200 sounds a lot better than 190.)

But 190-ish is certainly close enough for govt work. :-)

The best moonshiners throw away the first runs (too much methanol) and
the last runs (too much higher alcohols.) It sounds like your guys took
the middles and then distilled them again.

Bob


Bob

wrote:

> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
>
> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
>
> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
> office, etc...
> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
> Special Services Department
>

In Nevada you can get "Ever Clear" which is i think something like 199
proof, iirc 200 proof would be a solid at room temp.
---
JL

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
> In Nevada you can get "Ever Clear" which is i think something
> like 199 proof, iirc 200 proof would be a solid at room temp.

YDNRC.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> >
> > In Nevada you can get "Ever Clear" which is i think something
> > like 199 proof, iirc 200 proof would be a solid at room temp.
>
> YDNRC.

Okay, I chuckled although I don't know what the acronym means.

You Do Not Remember Correctly ?

I doubt 200 proof become solid unless you're near the north pole,
assuming it's still cold there

I suspect that Nevada does not get that chilly although I was stranded
outside Winnemucca in winter, thumbing for a ride out of town, out of
the state, out of the west.

wrote:

>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> > >
> > > In Nevada you can get "Ever Clear" which is i think something
> > > like 199 proof, iirc 200 proof would be a solid at room temp.
> >
> > YDNRC.
>
> Okay, I chuckled although I don't know what the acronym means.
>
> You Do Not Remember Correctly ?
>
> I doubt 200 proof become solid unless you're near the north pole,
> assuming it's still cold there

I wouldn't worry about that, ethanol has a freezing point of -114.1C or
-173.38F.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:22:20 -0600, George Shirley
> wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>>In article . com>,
>>> " > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> Jill
>>
>>

At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
is still sold in Penna last I knew.
Allan
>When we lived in Saudi Arabia a lot of folks had stills with 5 or 6 foot
>reflux columns and in two or three runs they would make 200 proof, aka
>100% alcohol. Cut four times with distilled water a gallon of the stuff
>wold be 4 gallons of drinking whiskey. The pure quill stuff had no
>esters in it so generally no headaches. Take an unfinished oak axe
>handle, chip it up and turn it to charcoal in the oven, put some in each
>bottle and it turned the amber of sipping whiskey. Any outfit with that
>many chemical and petroleum engineers is going to turn out some good stuff.
>
>Funny part is that the Saudi merchants sold lots of flavorings that
>folks used to add to their alky to make liquers. Some fine beer and wine
>makers lived there in the international community where we were too. Of
>course if you were caught you lost your job, sometimes your freedom for
>a while, and were deported pretty quick. Still, quite an accomplishment
>and a lot of work just for a drink.
>
>George

In article >,
"Default User" > wrote:

> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mark Thorson wrote:
> > > Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In Nevada you can get "Ever Clear" which is i think something
> > > > like 199 proof, iirc 200 proof would be a solid at room temp.
> > >
> > > YDNRC.
> >
> > Okay, I chuckled although I don't know what the acronym means.
> >
> > You Do Not Remember Correctly ?
> >
> > I doubt 200 proof become solid unless you're near the north pole,
> > assuming it's still cold there
>
> I wouldn't worry about that, ethanol has a freezing point of -114.1C or
> -173.38F.
>
>
>
> Brian

That's why Vodka is best if kept in the freezer, along with frozen shot
glasses. ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Allan Matthews wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:22:20 -0600, George Shirley
> > wrote:
>
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article . com>,
" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Jill
>>>
>>>
>
>
> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
> Allan

I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana and
Texas to my knowledge.

George

pgluth1 wrote:

>
> Second - Stroh Rum, from Austria, is 80% alcohol, that is 160 proof. Nasty
> stuff too. (though they also make 60% and 40%).

No wonder I didn't like the stuff. Yuk.
>
> (not trying to be a kill-joy about this. It's just after bartending for 20
> years, I have seen a LOT of really stupid people with alcohol. Too many
> times I've called 911 for either the cops or an ambulance. Moreover, in my
> state of Illinois, the liquor liability for bars and home use is
> unbelievable)
>
>
No, not a kill-joy. Just sensible. Years ago we had to rush a friend to
hospital - it was his 21st birthday and at the party some of his
"friends" mixed him a "cocktail" of all sorts of alcoholic drinks and
"encouraged" him to down it. He collapsed - and when we got him to
hospital they had to pump his stomach... the medic gave these so-called
friends a real telling-off and said they might have killed him...

--
Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message news:Omelet->
The 190 proof is more than strong enough for spiking!
>
> Back when I was in College, the Fencing club parties would use Everclear
> 190 for "Trashcan punch".
>
> 4 liters Ginger Ale
> 2 quarts Rainbow Sherbet
> 1 liter Everclear 190
>
> Could not even taste the alcohol...
> You'd be on your A** before you knew it if you were not careful!

Was on the receiving end of one of those deadly punches when in university.
Two glasses in my 85 lb/4'10" body left me sick for 2 days. What a time for
my parents to make a surprise visit!!

Gabby

In article >,
"Gabby" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message news:Omelet->
> The 190 proof is more than strong enough for spiking!
> >
> > Back when I was in College, the Fencing club parties would use Everclear
> > 190 for "Trashcan punch".
> >
> > 4 liters Ginger Ale
> > 2 quarts Rainbow Sherbet
> > 1 liter Everclear 190
> >
> > Could not even taste the alcohol...
> > You'd be on your A** before you knew it if you were not careful!
>
> Was on the receiving end of one of those deadly punches when in university.
> Two glasses in my 85 lb/4'10" body left me sick for 2 days. What a time for
> my parents to make a surprise visit!!
>
> Gabby
>
>

Actually, it was 4 x 2 liter bottles, so 8 liters. My bad...

Not that that makes much difference. ;-)

At least WE got warned!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

George Shirley wrote:
> Allan Matthews wrote:
>
>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
>> Allan
>
>
> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
> and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
> instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
> the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana and
> Texas to my knowledge.

Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't put
it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I use it
to make extracts.

Pastorio

Bob (this one) wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>
>> Allan Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
>>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
>>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
>>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
>>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
>> and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
>> instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
>> the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana
>> and Texas to my knowledge.
>
>
> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't put
> it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I use it
> to make extracts.
>
> Pastorio


Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
nothing sacred?

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> Allan Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
>>>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
>>>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
>>>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
>>>> Allan
>>>
>>> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
>>> Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
>>> Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
>>> numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold
>>> in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.
>>
>> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
>> put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
>> use it to make extracts.
>>
>> Pastorio
>
> Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
> nothing sacred?

Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.

That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
"a beer") while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.

So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.

Pastorio

In article >,
"Bob (this one)" > wrote:

> George Shirley wrote:
> > Allan Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
> >> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
> >> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
> >> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
> >> Allan
> >
> >
> > I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
> > and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
> > instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
> > the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana and
> > Texas to my knowledge.
>
> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't put
> it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I use it
> to make extracts.
>
> Pastorio

Best thing in the world for extracts. :-)
Chas made some dewberry liquor that way once.
Extracted the dewberries until the liquid was deep purple, then sugared
it well before diluting it with vodka and water.

I've not gone looking for wild dewberries now since before my mom got
too sick to pick them with me and after she died, I've just not been
interested.

I still have some pint jars of the Jelly she made tho'. Wonderful stuff!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Oh, Everclear stories!

About 10 years ago, when I was living in Albuquerque, we decided to
have an all-night party for the Balloon Fiesta. It's the biggest
hot-air ballooning event in the world, and we lived about 2 miles from
the launch site, so all the balloons (about 850 of them) would go right
over our acre of backyard.

Now, you had tyo get up before dawn to get there for the launches at 7
AM, and we knew nobody would make it to our house for a launch-day
brunch party. So we decided to start the party Friday night at 8 and go
til Saturday morning at noon. Dinner and bruch prepared my moi.

We knew a ton of people were coming and we didn't have a ton of money
for party supplies, so we got a couple bottles of everclear. We soaked
a bunch of cubed fruit in a bottle f it for, maybe 10 days or so. The
other bottle was used in the punch. Then we floated the fruit in the
punch.

Guests arrived at 8. Guests were drunk by 8:30, after eating one piece
of soaked fruit out of the punchbowl. Guests were passed out by 9. We
had Everclear soaked fruit in the freezer for 6 months to come. Word
got around - looking for a quick drunk? Just go to Jude's house and
grab a piece of fruit!

Ah, college.

PS, about half the guests slept through the balloon launch. I. however,
managed to get up, get brunch on the table, and have a blast watching
the balloons. IIRC, we feasted on quiche, roast potatoes, cinnamon
rolls, and fruit salad, although people were a tad scared of the fruit.
I don't think many people were interested i the Bloody Marys and
Mimosas, though.

Bob (this one) wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>> Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>> George Shirley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allan Matthews wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
>>>>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
>>>>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
>>>>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
>>>>> Allan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
>>>> Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
>>>> Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
>>>> numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still
>>>> sold in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.
>>>
>>>
>>> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
>>> put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
>>> use it to make extracts.
>>>
>>> Pastorio
>>
>>
>> Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
>> nothing sacred?
>
>
> Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
> discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.
>
> That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
> "a beer") while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
> reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
> sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
> a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.
>
> So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.
>
> Pastorio


He wasn't drunk! They just needed that time to get their story
straight. (I actually believe that.) Of course, they sent away the
only 2 people who could have verified that he wasn't intoxicated, and
they [perhaps illegally] interfered with an investigation in doing so.
And with Cheney's *two* prior DUI convictions, he really needed to be
cleared by a real investigation and was just too arrogant to realize it.

The blogs are picking up on this; comparing conflicting statements
statements to more respected "real" news reports and pointing out how
the story keeps changing. Eventually the national news will notice, and
Cheney will be dead meat. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

Bob

Bob (this one) wrote:

> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>> Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>> George Shirley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allan Matthews wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
>>>>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
>>>>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
>>>>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
>>>>> Allan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
>>>> Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
>>>> Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
>>>> numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still
>>>> sold in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.
>>>
>>>
>>> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
>>> put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
>>> use it to make extracts.
>>>
>>> Pastorio
>>
>>
>> Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
>> nothing sacred?
>
>
> Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
> discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.
>
> That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
> "a beer") while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
> reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
> sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
> a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.
>
> So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.
>
> Pastorio
I used to live down the road from the Armstrong Ranch and though I was
never invited to hunt a friend was one of their guides and dog handlers.
He swore up and down that the quail weren't tame. I hunted land adjacent
to the ranch and we hunted wild quail so assume he was right. I can't
speak for the VP's drinking habits but the Armstrongs had a reputation
for not allowing their guests to drink too much and then tote a gun.

George, defending Texas again

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
> > zxcvbob wrote:
> >
> >> Bob (this one) wrote:
> >>
> >>> George Shirley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Allan Matthews wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
> >>>>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
> >>>>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
> >>>>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
> >>>>> Allan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
> >>>> Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
> >>>> Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
> >>>> numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still
> >>>> sold in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
> >>> put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
> >>> use it to make extracts.
> >>>
> >>> Pastorio
> >>
> >>
> >> Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
> >> nothing sacred?
> >
> >
> > Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
> > discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.
> >
> > That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
> > "a beer") while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
> > reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
> > sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
> > a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.
> >
> > So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.
> >
> > Pastorio
> I used to live down the road from the Armstrong Ranch and though I was
> never invited to hunt a friend was one of their guides and dog handlers.
> He swore up and down that the quail weren't tame. I hunted land adjacent
> to the ranch and we hunted wild quail so assume he was right. I can't
> speak for the VP's drinking habits but the Armstrongs had a reputation
> for not allowing their guests to drink too much and then tote a gun.
>
> George, defending Texas again
>

It does not take alcohol to get a case of hunter fever... ;-)

The bird flushed, he aimed and fired with OUT checking down range!
Happened too fast. He may have been careless but stuff like this happens
from time to time.

It's only a big deal because he's the VP!

They don't make major headline news out of every hunting accident that
happens in the states.

Sheesh! Give it a rest already!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Bob (this one) wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
> > Bob (this one) wrote:
> >
> >> George Shirley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Allan Matthews wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
> >>>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
> >>>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
> >>>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
> >>>> Allan
> >>>
> >>> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
> >>> Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
> >>> Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
> >>> numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold
> >>> in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.
> >>
> >> Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
> >> put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
> >> use it to make extracts.
> >>
> >> Pastorio
> >
> > Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
> > nothing sacred?
>
> Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
> discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.
>
> That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
> "a beer") while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
> reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
> sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
> a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.
>
> So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.
>
> Pastorio

Talking about drunks is like what, taking potshots at sitting ducks

Your thesis about blood alcohol levels is interesting. I actually
believed only one beer.
The papers made light of this all. Not a single paper stressed the
dangers of getting a stroke from what was reported. There are a lot of
serious, deadly illnesses that can occur very easily when you irritate
and rub the heart the wrong way.

It's all religion and politics. And it's difficult to discuss even
irrationally. And that's the problem. You can't avoid it but you can't
thrash it out either. But "we" here are above the roil of boiling
water. Barely.

wrote:

> Talking about drunks is like what, taking potshots at sitting ducks
>

It's that shooting ducks in a fish with a barrel or however that goes.

> The papers made light of this all. Not a single paper stressed the
> dangers of getting a stroke from what was reported. There are a lot
> of serious, deadly illnesses that can occur very easily when you
> irritate and rub the heart the wrong way.

Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

> It's all religion and politics.

Jesus, if you're not right. Or left.

> And it's difficult to discuss even irrationally. And that's the
> problem. You can't avoid it but you can't thrash it out either. But
> "we" here are above the roil of boiling water. Barely.

<LOL> Ya think...?

Pastorio

In article >,
"Bob (this one)" > wrote:

> Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

Please tell me that's not true....... :-(
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>
>>Wanna see the zipper in my chest?
>
> Please tell me that's not true....... :-(

MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
than the 5 they said, and then a triple.

They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.

I like the zipper better than the alternative.

Pastorio

In article >,
"Bob (this one)" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
> >
> >>Wanna see the zipper in my chest?
> >
> > Please tell me that's not true....... :-(
>
> MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
> than the 5 they said, and then a triple.
>
> They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.
>
> I like the zipper better than the alternative.
>
> Pastorio

That's a point... :-)
I've seen those surgeries tho', they are aweful!
You have my sincere empathy.

You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wanna see the zipper in my chest?
>>>
>>>Please tell me that's not true....... :-(
>>
>>MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
>>than the 5 they said, and then a triple.
>>
>>They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.
>>
>>I like the zipper better than the alternative.
>>
>>Pastorio
>
> That's a point... :-)
> I've seen those surgeries tho', they are aweful!
> You have my sincere empathy.

It was less fun than I was hoping for, but I went home on day three
after the surgery and healed astonishingly fast.

I drove to my 4-week checkup in strict contradiction to the doc's
orders. When I got there, he had a string of residents with him to learn
from the master. He said, "How'd you get here?" I said, "Drove." He
said, I told you no driving, no lifting and no sex." I said, "Three out
of three..."

He didn't think it was funny. The residents were smirking.

Later he said, "You look good. Well-healed. You can pretty much resume
normal life."

I said, Does that mean drinking, smoking and the thing I like to do with
the livestock..."

Not even a tiny smile, but a couple of the residents excused themselves
and I could hear them howling out in the hall.

> You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
> and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?

My cholesterol at its highest was 160. Now 105. Trigs wonderful. Heart
rate grand. Respiration rate, splendid. HDL/LDL ratio textbook. And I'll
get little twinges for the rest of my life. But it's way better than the
most obvious alternative.

It's so bizarre. My numbers were magnificent while I was having a heart
attack. I should have been in the Olympics instead of that hospital bed.
We finally came to the conclusion that I chose my parents unwisely.

So it goes...

Pastorio

wrote:
> I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
> thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
> sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts
> but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.
>
> essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:
>
> Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
> The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
> office, etc...
> And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
> Special Services Department

Purifying ethanol to purity is a silly waste of resources if you're
going to drink it. The process is laborious and expensive. The
difference between 190 and 200 is not meaningful for consumption, but
getting out that last 5% of water is not easy. Water and ethanol like
each other, a lot.

Drinking concentrations of ethanol higher than you can achieve with
fermentation (and that includes fortified wines like port) is icky.
Training your body to accept such w/o retching is training it to accept
poison. I'll stick with 4-10% beers, or wines that are natural (though
I'm not really big on wine anyway).

The reason they restrict the pure shit is probably because they figure
you're using it for something related to illegal drugs or something.

--Bryan

In article >,
"Bob (this one)" > wrote:

> He didn't think it was funny. The residents were smirking.
>
> Later he said, "You look good. Well-healed. You can pretty much resume
> normal life."
>
> I said, Does that mean drinking, smoking and the thing I like to do with
> the livestock..."
>
> Not even a tiny smile, but a couple of the residents excused themselves
> and I could hear them howling out in the hall.

<lol> Your doc should realize you can't keep a good man down.

>
> > You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
> > and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?
>
> My cholesterol at its highest was 160. Now 105. Trigs wonderful. Heart
> rate grand. Respiration rate, splendid. HDL/LDL ratio textbook. And I'll
> get little twinges for the rest of my life. But it's way better than the
> most obvious alternative.
>
> It's so bizarre. My numbers were magnificent while I was having a heart
> attack. I should have been in the Olympics instead of that hospital bed.
> We finally came to the conclusion that I chose my parents unwisely.
>
> So it goes...
>
> Pastorio

Weird. With those numbers, you should have been ok?
What were your triglycerides before? Popular opinion points at those
being FAR worse than a high cholesterol.

Some docs are drifting more towards checking homocysteine levels now.
It's not popular tho' as bad levels of that can be treated with B
vitamins. <G> No profit for the drug companies.

It might explain what happened? Looky he

http://www.americanheart.org/present...dentifier=4677
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wanna see the zipper in my chest?
>>>
>>>Please tell me that's not true....... :-(
>>
>>MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
>>than the 5 they said, and then a triple.
>>
>>They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.
>>
>>I like the zipper better than the alternative.
>>
>>Pastorio
>
>
> That's a point... :-)
> I've seen those surgeries tho', they are aweful!
> You have my sincere empathy.
>
> You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
> and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?

I only had a single bypass 20 years ago in 09/07. Just had a complete
hear checkup in December and they said that bypass was still clean and
the bypassed artery had since bypessed the plug. I'm with Pastorio, it's
a whole lot better than the alternative. Same with the two carotid
cleanouts, one last December, one three years ago. I can remember more
stuff than I want to nowadays. Thank goodness for modern medicine or Bob
nor I would be amongst you today.

If you ever have to have one ask the surgeon how many he does a year, if
it's thousands go with him, if it's two, go get another thoracic surgeon.

George

Bob (this one) wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>
>>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wanna see the zipper in my chest?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me that's not true....... :-(
>>>
>>>
>>> MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
>>> than the 5 they said, and then a triple.
>>>
>>> They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.
>>>
>>> I like the zipper better than the alternative.
>>>
>>> Pastorio
>>
>>
>> That's a point... :-)
>> I've seen those surgeries tho', they are aweful!
>> You have my sincere empathy.
>
>
> It was less fun than I was hoping for, but I went home on day three
> after the surgery and healed astonishingly fast.
>
> I drove to my 4-week checkup in strict contradiction to the doc's
> orders. When I got there, he had a string of residents with him to learn
> from the master. He said, "How'd you get here?" I said, "Drove." He
> said, I told you no driving, no lifting and no sex." I said, "Three out
> of three..."
>
> He didn't think it was funny. The residents were smirking.
>
> Later he said, "You look good. Well-healed. You can pretty much resume
> normal life."
>
> I said, Does that mean drinking, smoking and the thing I like to do with
> the livestock..."
>
> Not even a tiny smile, but a couple of the residents excused themselves
> and I could hear them howling out in the hall.
>
>> You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
>> and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?
>
>
> My cholesterol at its highest was 160. Now 105. Trigs wonderful. Heart
> rate grand. Respiration rate, splendid. HDL/LDL ratio textbook. And I'll
> get little twinges for the rest of my life. But it's way better than the
> most obvious alternative.
>
> It's so bizarre. My numbers were magnificent while I was having a heart
> attack. I should have been in the Olympics instead of that hospital bed.
> We finally came to the conclusion that I chose my parents unwisely.
>
> So it goes...
>
> Pastorio
Damn Bob! We may be related. My male ancestors for 9 generations back
all died of heart attacks. Dad at 71, his dad at 52, his at 24. We tend
to marry young and breed fast if we want descendants. Now my 44 yo
daughter has a bad mitral valve. What next? My chol. has never been
higher than 220 and trigs. at about 200. Everything is much lower now
thanks to Zocor and the other 11 scripts I take every day. Hurrah for
modern medicine. Don't even ask me how many strokes I've survived.

George