Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?

I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl that
might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time before infected
birds show up in North America.

Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you going to
use?

Maureeng7

maureeng7eh wrote:
> Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?
>
> I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl that
> might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time before infected
> birds show up in North America.
>
> Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you going to
> use?
>
> Maureeng7

I think there are quite a lot of migrating wild birds flying across
continents. I feel pretty safe at the moment in Hong Kong. They have
put in policy to stop domestic farming (e.g. having a few chickens in
the house) to help disease prevention. I would recommend stop eating
chickens etc. if you're really nervous.

dee wrote:
> maureeng7eh wrote:
>
>>Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?
>>
>>I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl that
>>might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time before infected
>>birds show up in North America.
>>
>>Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you going to
>>use?
>>
>>Maureeng7
>
>
> I think there are quite a lot of migrating wild birds flying across
> continents. I feel pretty safe at the moment in Hong Kong. They have
> put in policy to stop domestic farming (e.g. having a few chickens in
> the house) to help disease prevention. I would recommend stop eating
> chickens etc. if you're really nervous.
>

I thought that it was not capable of being transmitted through dead,
cooked birds.

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DH looked up some of the WHO info on bird flu. It appears that it's
generally transmitted when people eat the meat of infected birds, but
not if proper cooking and kitchen sanitation measures are practiced.
Bringing roast chicken up to full temperature (they said 158F, somewhat
lower than the number we usually use) and bleaching hands and surfaces
where raw meat is handled should keep people safe. They also noted that
care must be taken in cooking eggs as well. I suppose this means we'll
finally have to give up our bad habits and follow the rules about not
licking the beaters.

I plan to keep an eye on this info as the situation progresses. The
advice might change as the virus changes and more is learned about it.
But we've decided to call the farm next month and order a year's supply
of organic chickens as usual.

Kathy

"Kathy" > wrote in message
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> But we've decided to call the farm next month and order a year's supply
> of organic chickens as usual.
>
> Kathy

Kathy, what do you mean -- order them ready for the freezer -- or the yard?

Now, I'm thinking: what would keep your own chickens in your yard (or anyone
else's yard) from getting infected by a fly-over bird? Yikes!

Dee Dee

Kathy wrote:

> DH looked up some of the WHO info on bird flu. It appears that it's
> generally transmitted when people eat the meat of infected birds, but
> not if proper cooking and kitchen sanitation measures are practiced.

Could you cite that? Everything I've read says it NOT spread by meat,
only live birds.



Brian
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I place an order with a local farmer who raises enough chicks for all
his subscribers. They won't run around my yard, but they do run around
his. That was my concern: could we get bird flu from them? I imagine
that big poultry producers know how to recognize sick birds and my
local farmer may not (although who knows - maybe he's a safer bet than
they are). At any rate, that's why we were looking for info. We agreed
that we'd be safe enough if I practice safe handling as I do - lots of
bleaching and a meat thermometer. And we'll be ready, if the news
changes, to pay for delivery as we promised and then dispose of them if
it looks like there's a greater reason for concern when they're ready
in June than there is now.

I reread it and maybe I misunderstood. The info (pretty good info) is
he:
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian.../en/index.html.
It's a little confusing: they indicate that bird flu is spread by
handling the birds live or dead, or by the feces. They don't say that
you can get it by eating the meat, but they do say that meat must be
cooked to a certain temperature. I can't tell if that means that eating
undercooked meat is a problem or if handling it on the way to the table
was the issue. Anyway, I'll be careful with temperature.

Kathy wrote:

> I reread it and maybe I misunderstood. The info (pretty good info) is
> he:
> http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian...s/en/index.htm
> l. It's a little confusing: they indicate that bird flu is spread by
> handling the birds live or dead, or by the feces. They don't say that
> you can get it by eating the meat, but they do say that meat must be
> cooked to a certain temperature. I can't tell if that means that
> eating undercooked meat is a problem or if handling it on the way to
> the table was the issue. Anyway, I'll be careful with temperature.

Samonella is a much bigger hazard from poultry. The FDA web site said
that no cases in other countries have been traced to meat. The people
at risk are those dealing with raising or processing birds.

That won't stop people from panicking, of course.


Brian
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won't shut up.
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It's nice to know that it takes less effort to protect oneself from
bird flu (at least right now) than salmonella, but you cans see why
people are concerned. Salmonella doesn't kill over half its victims.

But the real worry isn't from chickens per se anyway. All in all,
relatively few people have caught bird flu from diseased chickens even
in the third world. The big issue is whether it mutates to a form
transmissable between humans. That takes the whole issue way beyond
kitchen sanitation. But seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I believe
I'll keep enjoying chicken.

Kathy

"maureeng7eh" > wrote in message
news:jYcKf.47331$H%4.9235@pd7tw2no...
> Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?
>
> I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl that
> might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time before infected
> birds show up in North America.
>
> Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you going to
> use?


My strategy is not to worry about it.

I think the greatest danger most people face in their lives is driving on
the freeway. Much more dangerous than eating poultry.

I figure I'll just wear my seat belt while eating chicken... ;-)

Hasta,
Curt Nelson

"Curt Nelson" > wrote in
:

>
> "maureeng7eh" > wrote in message
> news:jYcKf.47331$H%4.9235@pd7tw2no...
>> Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?
>>
>> I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl
>> that might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time
>> before infected birds show up in North America.
>>
>> Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you
>> going to use?
>
>
> My strategy is not to worry about it.
>
> I think the greatest danger most people face in their lives is driving
> on the freeway. Much more dangerous than eating poultry.
>
> I figure I'll just wear my seat belt while eating chicken... ;-)
>
> Hasta,
> Curt Nelson


Curt,

Is that with the sweet and sour or the honey mustard dipping sauce? <G>

Andy

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:02:55 GMT, "maureeng7eh" >
wrote:

>Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?

Nope.

>
>I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl that
>might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time before infected
>birds show up in North America.
>
>Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you going to
>use?

You can't catch avian flu from the dead/cooked animals. Stock up
*after* the flu hits, when chicken will be really cheap because of
paranoia.

serene

serene > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:02:55 GMT, "maureeng7eh" >
> wrote:
>
>>Am I the only one getting nervous about the spread?
>
> Nope.
>
>>
>>I am considering stocking up on chickens/ducks/turkeys or other fowl
>>that might become infected. I'm sure its only a matter of time before
>>infected birds show up in North America.
>>
>>Has anyone else thought about stocking up? What strategy are you
>>going to use?
>
> You can't catch avian flu from the dead/cooked animals. Stock up
> *after* the flu hits, when chicken will be really cheap because of
> paranoia.
>
> serene


Stop worrying about avian flu!!!!! I shoot birds and skin them with my
bare hands for a bird collection. When I stop posting, You can start
worrying. OK???

It's gonna take decades for the pandemic to occur and there'll be no
stopping it.

Worry about crossing the street in the meantime.

The TV doctors and scientists and government idiots are so anxious to
cash in on the public fear they'll be selling sugar cubes as a cure,
imho.

Andy