http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg

It was a rushed night. A friend from out of town dropped into town
for a brief howdy happy hour at a local eatery. D had to work late.
And I was tuckered again. I'm working way to much lately, but maybe
there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe I'm a phrase maker
for General Westmoreland. Anyhow, I trucked back home and warmed up
some soup for dinner. There are soba noodles in the bowl. And some
other stuff, too. D made the deviled eggs, and they were really good.

I've learned quite a few things from posting these pictures lately.

One thing is that people can get quite riled about aesthetic issues,
which is pretty refreshing, actually. I'd though those days were over
sometime after WWI. Rough and tumble disputes about what images
should look like were a thing of the past I'd thought. It's good to
know I was wrong. Probably that's why Martha Stewart got so rich. I
should have noticed.

Another thing I've learned is that a passel of people are under the
impression that aesthetic choices are analogous to geometric rules of
inference. There are no exceptions, that is. I'd like to point out
that such proscritiptions establish a universe of possible error, and
that many here have assumed that, since my pictures did not comply
with the rules of food porn, I was not aware of them. This says a lot
more about my critics than it does about me, about a desire for
standardization and control.

That I did not comply with the no-red-plates rule indicates a choice I
made, not a lack of knowledge. That I used a flash in my shots also
proves a decision about the technology and its potential, not a need
to take a photo class. That many of my meals include fruit and no
starch (aside from whole wheat or alterantive grains like buckwheat)
is an indicator of my family's adherence to a low-carbohydrate diet,
not a failure of imagination. That I didn't wipe the sauce off the
edge of the plate is an artifact of my haste to chow down, not a
mistake. Etc.

The attitude I've experienced in many (but not all responses) has been
one of an assertion of one-upmanship, of happily finding evidence of
error. Or imagining such evidence at times. That and an eager
willingness to police difference.

The pictures were not conceived, intended or executed with any concern
for hard and fast aesthetic rules. They're just dinner. Come and get
it. Or order take out.

As to the slanderous allegation that I'm visually incompetent, let me
say that I currently am a member of a university's graduate art
faculty and that at present I serve on seven graduate art students'
MFA committees, chairing three of them. These students asked me to
chair their committes, to educate them. It was a decision they made
in their own self interest because they thought I could best help them
learn. I hold an MFA (there ain't no PhD in painting -- an MFA is a
terminal degree) and have taught in numerous colleges and universities
for 18 of the past 20 years. I've also written scores of art reviews
and essays to accompany art exhibitions during that time. And I was
PAID for my insight each time.

You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.

I just like to cook, too.
--
modom

"My baby's got no clothes
'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."

-- Chuck E. Weiss

modom wrote on 22 Feb 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.
>
> I just like to cook, too.
> --
> modom
>

I, for one, enjoy your ongoing adventures into cooking....If you like red
who am I to complain...I ain't paying for it only looking at the finished
results. And to me it is looking good. I would pay big bucks to have your
imagination though.

--
-Alan

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:37:14 -0600, modom wrote:

> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg

> I just like to cook, too.

You seem like a nice guy. I have eaten many meals that don't even come
close to looking and probably tasting as good as yours. I have
eaten many "meals" out of a plastic bag or standing over the stove. My
comments are not meant to offend you..even if they do.

You like to cook? Sorry, but from the pictures of what you have posted
you don't know how to cook and are not learning much. You have a good
job, why don't you spend some of that money you are hoarding on some
QUALITY ingredients? You probably spend way more in a month on art
supplies than on food,.. frugal..like a lot of people. 3$ gasoline, ok,
but I ain't wasting nothing on my fuel or my families. The fuel of life is
worth ALL of your money. If you want to eat kibbled mush or whatever you
can find for 99 cents a pound or LESS that is up to you..it may be the
healthier approach ..but you are not going to learn much about cooking,
cooking mush. You will learn to stir.

I like art also.. maybe you are more like Rauschenberg or Picasso.. and
are actually doing a study of crap on a red plate. Who knows??..
only you I guess. My dog gets better looking food that that stuff you are
showing off.

I know a guy who is WAY well off and buys his shoes at Walmart, dates them
to test how long they last. He also has 2 huge bunions. He "cooks" like
you do. S O S everyday. That ain't cooking. Each to their own. But, you
SAID you like to cook. When I eat something like you are eating, and it
appears from your post..nearly every day.. I HIDE and eat it..and will not
take a picture of that one. Cooking is ART. You are not a artist in the
kitchen.

Education is great. You have some education, but your taste buds
obviously have very little.


bon appetite

"jay" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:37:14 -0600, modom wrote:
>
>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
>> I just like to cook, too.
>
> You seem like a nice guy. I have eaten many meals that don't even come
> close to looking and probably tasting as good as yours. I have
> eaten many "meals" out of a plastic bag or standing over the stove. My
> comments are not meant to offend you..even if they do.
>
> You like to cook? Sorry, but from the pictures of what you have posted
> you don't know how to cook and are not learning much. You have a good
> job, why don't you spend some of that money you are hoarding on some
> QUALITY ingredients? You probably spend way more in a month on art
> supplies than on food,.. frugal..like a lot of people. 3$ gasoline, ok,
> but I ain't wasting nothing on my fuel or my families. The fuel of life is
> worth ALL of your money. If you want to eat kibbled mush or whatever you
> can find for 99 cents a pound or LESS that is up to you..it may be the
> healthier approach ..but you are not going to learn much about cooking,
> cooking mush. You will learn to stir.
>
> I like art also.. maybe you are more like Rauschenberg or Picasso.. and
> are actually doing a study of crap on a red plate. Who knows??..
> only you I guess. My dog gets better looking food that that stuff you are
> showing off.
>
> I know a guy who is WAY well off and buys his shoes at Walmart, dates them
> to test how long they last. He also has 2 huge bunions. He "cooks" like
> you do. S O S everyday. That ain't cooking. Each to their own. But, you
> SAID you like to cook. When I eat something like you are eating, and it
> appears from your post..nearly every day.. I HIDE and eat it..and will not
> take a picture of that one. Cooking is ART. You are not a artist in the
> kitchen.
>
> Education is great. You have some education, but your taste buds
> obviously have very little.
>
>
> bon appetite
You are strung way too tight. Relax a little and don't spend so much time
judging.
Janet

On Wed 22 Feb 2006 09:37:14p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it modom?

> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
> It was a rushed night. A friend from out of town dropped into town
> for a brief howdy happy hour at a local eatery. D had to work late.
> And I was tuckered again. I'm working way to much lately, but maybe
> there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe I'm a phrase maker
> for General Westmoreland. Anyhow, I trucked back home and warmed up
> some soup for dinner. There are soba noodles in the bowl. And some
> other stuff, too. D made the deviled eggs, and they were really good.
>
> I've learned quite a few things from posting these pictures lately.
>
> One thing is that people can get quite riled about aesthetic issues,
> which is pretty refreshing, actually. I'd though those days were over
> sometime after WWI. Rough and tumble disputes about what images
> should look like were a thing of the past I'd thought. It's good to
> know I was wrong. Probably that's why Martha Stewart got so rich. I
> should have noticed.
>
> Another thing I've learned is that a passel of people are under the
> impression that aesthetic choices are analogous to geometric rules of
> inference. There are no exceptions, that is. I'd like to point out
> that such proscritiptions establish a universe of possible error, and
> that many here have assumed that, since my pictures did not comply
> with the rules of food porn, I was not aware of them. This says a lot
> more about my critics than it does about me, about a desire for
> standardization and control.
>
> That I did not comply with the no-red-plates rule indicates a choice I
> made, not a lack of knowledge. That I used a flash in my shots also
> proves a decision about the technology and its potential, not a need
> to take a photo class. That many of my meals include fruit and no
> starch (aside from whole wheat or alterantive grains like buckwheat)
> is an indicator of my family's adherence to a low-carbohydrate diet,
> not a failure of imagination. That I didn't wipe the sauce off the
> edge of the plate is an artifact of my haste to chow down, not a
> mistake. Etc.
>
> The attitude I've experienced in many (but not all responses) has been
> one of an assertion of one-upmanship, of happily finding evidence of
> error. Or imagining such evidence at times. That and an eager
> willingness to police difference.
>
> The pictures were not conceived, intended or executed with any concern
> for hard and fast aesthetic rules. They're just dinner. Come and get
> it. Or order take out.
>
> As to the slanderous allegation that I'm visually incompetent, let me
> say that I currently am a member of a university's graduate art
> faculty and that at present I serve on seven graduate art students'
> MFA committees, chairing three of them. These students asked me to
> chair their committes, to educate them. It was a decision they made
> in their own self interest because they thought I could best help them
> learn. I hold an MFA (there ain't no PhD in painting -- an MFA is a
> terminal degree) and have taught in numerous colleges and universities
> for 18 of the past 20 years. I've also written scores of art reviews
> and essays to accompany art exhibitions during that time. And I was
> PAID for my insight each time.
>
> You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.
>
> I just like to cook, too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Isn't that the bottom line, Michael?

You have a satisfying career and you enjoy cooking and eating good food.
Why do you care so much about what other people think about what you cook
and how you present it? These criticisms come from cyber acquaintances,
for cripes sake, not your best friends.

You need to learn not to care so much about something so trivial.

Best regards,

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0800, cathyxyz wrote:

>
> jay wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:37:14 -0600, modom wrote:
>>
>> > http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>>
>> > I just like to cook, too.
>>
>> You seem like a nice guy.

> If modem's food pix "offend" you - then don't click on the links.
> Nothing wrong with "constructive" criticism - but I haven't seen
> anything that comes close to that in your post, and others like it on
> this NG. I think there are a whole lot of posters here that need to
> read "How to Make Friends and Influence People".

Mr. you are a meshuggener. You keep chasing me..is it love? I did not say
his pix offended me. You need to take your OWN advice and read the book.
You have obviously not read it. When you get a chance the book to get is
"How to WIN friends and Influence People."

jay wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0800, cathyxyz wrote:

>
> Mr. you are a meshuggener. You keep chasing me..is it love? I did not say
> his pix offended me. You need to take your OWN advice and read the book.
> You have obviously not read it. When you get a chance the book to get is
> "How to WIN friends and Influence People."

That's *Mrs.* Meshuggener to you.... and I am sure Mr Carnegie is
turning in his grave as we speak....

Lemme give you a little quote from the man himself: (I think point
number 3. would be worth remembering)

Part Four
Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing
Resentment
A leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and
behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:

1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2. Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
3. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
4. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
5. Let the other person save face.
6. Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be
"hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."
7. Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
8. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
9. Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.


Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:01:27 -0700, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>
> "jay" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:37:14 -0600, modom wrote:
>>
>>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>>
>>> I just like to cook, too.
>>
<snipped the ugly part>

>> bon appetite

> You are strung way too tight. Relax a little and don't spend so much
> time judging.
> Janet

Thanks Janet..I promise I will try to be more perfect. The truth is
sometimes painful. Don't you really think he is placing his pix here to
get some reaction? Those that keep saying that the plate looks lovely
and that the blended concoctions look "yummy" are a bunch of liers and
perennial suckisms. When he writes the book you and the other PSisms will
be chapter one.

BTW.. I actually like modom and would even eat a meal with him..but NOT at
his house.

AND..try to have a sense of humor..good for longevity.

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:09:33 -0800, cathyxyz and semi-pro kibitzer wrote:

>
> jay wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0800, cathyxyz and semi-pro
>> kibitzer wrote:
>
>
>> Mr. you are a meshuggener. You keep chasing me..is it love? I did not
>> say his pix offended me. You need to take your OWN advice and read the
>> book. You have obviously not read it. When you get a chance the book
>> to get is "How to WIN friends and Influence People."


> That's *Mrs.* Meshuggener to you.... and I am sure Mr Carnegie is
> turning in his grave as we speak....

Don't keep being stupid.. *MRS* if that is what you are.. is *meshuggeneh*


Nice contribution...xoxo

modom wrote:
> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
> It was a rushed night. A friend from out of town dropped into town
> for a brief howdy happy hour at a local eatery. D had to work late.
> And I was tuckered again. I'm working way to much lately, but maybe
> there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe I'm a phrase maker
> for General Westmoreland. Anyhow, I trucked back home and warmed up
> some soup for dinner. There are soba noodles in the bowl. And some
> other stuff, too. D made the deviled eggs, and they were really good.
>
> I've learned quite a few things from posting these pictures lately.
>
> One thing is that people can get quite riled about aesthetic issues,
> which is pretty refreshing, actually. I'd though those days were over
> sometime after WWI. Rough and tumble disputes about what images
> should look like were a thing of the past I'd thought. It's good to
> know I was wrong. Probably that's why Martha Stewart got so rich. I
> should have noticed.
>
> Another thing I've learned is that a passel of people are under the
> impression that aesthetic choices are analogous to geometric rules of
> inference. There are no exceptions, that is. I'd like to point out
> that such proscritiptions establish a universe of possible error, and
> that many here have assumed that, since my pictures did not comply
> with the rules of food porn, I was not aware of them. This says a lot
> more about my critics than it does about me, about a desire for
> standardization and control.
>
> That I did not comply with the no-red-plates rule indicates a choice I
> made, not a lack of knowledge. That I used a flash in my shots also
> proves a decision about the technology and its potential, not a need
> to take a photo class. That many of my meals include fruit and no
> starch (aside from whole wheat or alterantive grains like buckwheat)
> is an indicator of my family's adherence to a low-carbohydrate diet,
> not a failure of imagination. That I didn't wipe the sauce off the
> edge of the plate is an artifact of my haste to chow down, not a
> mistake. Etc.
>
> The attitude I've experienced in many (but not all responses) has been
> one of an assertion of one-upmanship, of happily finding evidence of
> error. Or imagining such evidence at times. That and an eager
> willingness to police difference.
>
> The pictures were not conceived, intended or executed with any concern
> for hard and fast aesthetic rules. They're just dinner. Come and get
> it. Or order take out.
>
> As to the slanderous allegation that I'm visually incompetent, let me
> say that I currently am a member of a university's graduate art
> faculty and that at present I serve on seven graduate art students'
> MFA committees, chairing three of them. These students asked me to
> chair their committes, to educate them. It was a decision they made
> in their own self interest because they thought I could best help them
> learn. I hold an MFA (there ain't no PhD in painting -- an MFA is a
> terminal degree) and have taught in numerous colleges and universities
> for 18 of the past 20 years. I've also written scores of art reviews
> and essays to accompany art exhibitions during that time. And I was
> PAID for my insight each time.
>
> You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.
>
> I just like to cook, too.

Oh no you don't, that's a bold faced lie... because you are unwilling
to learn, you think you know it all.... well you know nothing. What
you do like are unearned kudos.

You can't take contructive criticism, and it's you who are too
stoic/rigid, you're way too defensive, which proves you are grossly
irresponsible, a spoiled brat... stop making excuses, you are totally
inept culinarily, and that's a fact. You seem to love all the
disingenuous attaboys from the butt kissers who can't cook either, well
from me you gotta earn cooking medals, and I don't kiss ass, not ever.
When someone does a good job I say so, when it's a lousy job I say so
(nothing difficult to understand). And you're the one making the
submissions, no one is forcing you to... learn to take the heat or get
out of the kitchen. And you ain't any kinda artist except the Bullshit
kind... you should be ashamed of yourself... your pictures say a
thousand words about your artistic ability, both composition and
technical, all negative. Early on my critique was tactful and helpful,
you despised it so it got stronger, now I don't give a damn about your
feelings because you didn't give a damn about mine... you exhibited not
an iota of appreciation from me or from others who were being
helpful... and don't weasel by saying you didn't ask, you certainly did
ask, by posting pictures... anyone who posts, especially pictures is
asking for comments. If you are unable to accept all comments then you
deserve the same advice as anyone else with thin skin, don't post. You
don't add much to this newsgroup anyway, you never did... you're a
taker/user/abuser, not a giver... you posted all those pictures but not
one clue about how you prepared anything, not a recipe, nada... in all
the years you'd been at rfc you've not even once posted anything useful
to others, you only take, and here with your fercocktah photos you're
fishing for unearned compliments, like a common troll. You are not a
nice person, Modom, you are mean sprited, hateful and spiteful. And
I'm talking about you, directly to you... something a wuss like you is
incapable of, you gotta talk around people, with inuendo and
inferences... you coward!

Sheldon

jay wrote:

>
> Don't keep being stupid.. *MRS* if that is what you are.. is *meshuggeneh*

I don't have to, sweetie, you got that covered.....

SMOOOOOOOCH.

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

jay wrote:
> modom wrote:
>
> > http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
> > I just like to cook, too.
>
> You seem like a nice guy. I have eaten many meals that don't even come
> close to looking and probably tasting as good as yours. I have
> eaten many "meals" out of a plastic bag or standing over the stove. My
> comments are not meant to offend you..even if they do.
>
> You like to cook? Sorry, but from the pictures of what you have posted
> you don't know how to cook and are not learning much. You have a good
> job, why don't you spend some of that money you are hoarding on some
> QUALITY ingredients? You probably spend way more in a month on art
> supplies than on food,.. frugal..like a lot of people. 3$ gasoline, ok,
> but I ain't wasting nothing on my fuel or my families. The fuel of life is
> worth ALL of your money. If you want to eat kibbled mush or whatever you
> can find for 99 cents a pound or LESS that is up to you..it may be the
> healthier approach ..but you are not going to learn much about cooking,
> cooking mush. You will learn to stir.
>
> I like art also.. maybe you are more like Rauschenberg or Picasso.. and
> are actually doing a study of crap on a red plate. Who knows??..
> only you I guess. My dog gets better looking food that that stuff you are
> showing off.
>
> I know a guy who is WAY well off and buys his shoes at Walmart, dates them
> to test how long they last. He also has 2 huge bunions. He "cooks" like
> you do. S O S everyday. That ain't cooking. Each to their own. But, you
> SAID you like to cook. When I eat something like you are eating, and it
> appears from your post..nearly every day.. I HIDE and eat it..and will not
> take a picture of that one. Cooking is ART. You are not a artist in the
> kitchen.
>
> Education is great. You have some education, but your taste buds
> obviously have very little.

Jay said it all, what can I add.

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:

>
> Jay said it all, what can I add.

I knew it! You and jay - my, my, my - well I hope he/she has big
boobs....

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

cathyxyz wrote:
> jay wrote:
> > cathyxyz wrote:
> >
> > Mr. you are a meshuggener. You keep chasing me..is it love? I did not say
> > his pix offended me. You need to take your OWN advice and read the book.
> > You have obviously not read it. When you get a chance the book to get is
> > "How to WIN friends and Influence People."
>
> That's *Mrs.* Meshuggener to you.... and I am sure Mr Carnegie is
> turning in his grave as we speak....

Meshugeneh - Mad, crazy, insane female.
Meshugener - Mad, crazy, insane male

> Lemme give you a little quote from the man himself: (I think point
> number 3. would be worth remembering)

And you don't find that ploy just a wee bit transparent.. not eveyone
is brain dead.

> Part Four
> Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing
> Resentment
> A leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and
> behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
>
> 1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
> 2. Call attention to people's mistakes _indirectly_. <you subscribe to lying>l
> 3. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
> 4. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
> 5. Let the other person save face.
> 6. Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be
> "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."
> 7. Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
> 8. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
> 9. Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.

Utter nonsense... people don't change... disingenuousness and lying
ain't change, a rose by any other name smells the same, as do
disingenuousness and lying, no matter what you call them they still
stink! The difference between Jay and cathyxyz is Jay doesn't do
"kissyass". I can respect and debate differences of opinion but there
is no way I can succumb to any form of kissyass. Mr Carnegie never
grew a spine so he promoted brownnosing... when he promoted turn the
other cheek he meant kissyass left, right, and center.

Sheldon

"jay" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:01:27 -0700, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>>
>> "jay" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:37:14 -0600, modom wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>>>
>>>> I just like to cook, too.
>>>
> <snipped the ugly part>
>
>>> bon appetite
>
>> You are strung way too tight. Relax a little and don't spend so much
>> time judging.
>> Janet
>
> Thanks Janet..I promise I will try to be more perfect. The truth is
> sometimes painful. Don't you really think he is placing his pix here to
> get some reaction? Those that keep saying that the plate looks lovely
> and that the blended concoctions look "yummy" are a bunch of liers and
> perennial suckisms. When he writes the book you and the other PSisms will
> be chapter one.
>
> BTW.. I actually like modom and would even eat a meal with him..but NOT at
> his house.
>
> AND..try to have a sense of humor..good for longevity.
>
I don't want or expect you to be perfect. My comment was based solely upon
your observation of the guy that buys WalMart shoes. My impression is that
how others behave is important to you and it shouldn't be. Peace, o.k.?
Janet

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "jay" > wrote:
<snip>
> > You are strung way too tight. Relax a little and don't spend so much time
> judging.

It's a Newsgroup. Newsgroups are open forums meant primarilly for
debate. RFC is for *discussing* food issues... not for as you imply,
for masturbating each other. This ain't that kinda Newsgroup, Janet...
seems you're the one strung too tight, your goo is drooling off the
edge of your pc chair in buckets and still no orgasms

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:

>
> Utter nonsense... people don't change... disingenuousness and lying
> ain't change, a rose by any other name smells the same, as do
> disingenuousness and lying, no matter what you call them they still
> stink! The difference between Jay and cathyxyz is Jay doesn't do
> "kissyass". I can respect and debate differences of opinion but there
> is no way I can succumb to any form of kissyass. Mr Carnegie never
> grew a spine so he promoted brownnosing... when he promoted turn the
> other cheek he meant kissyass left, right, and center.

Is that hole in your foot still a bit sore, Sheldon?

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

"modom" wrote

> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>

Good grief, modom, I cannot believe the slams you have received from the
"critics/experts". I enjoy looking at your pictures and don't give a darn
if the food is on a red plate, or has left stray drips on the plate rims, or
if the pictures aren't "just right".
As far as I'm concerned, you're to be admired - you work hard but still come
home and cook and D works late but still pitches in. Keep those pictures
coming, please.

Dora

limey wrote:
> "modom" wrote
>
>
>>http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>>
>
>
> Good grief, modom, I cannot believe the slams you have received from the
> "critics/experts". I enjoy looking at your pictures and don't give a darn
> if the food is on a red plate, or has left stray drips on the plate rims, or
> if the pictures aren't "just right".
> As far as I'm concerned, you're to be admired - you work hard but still come
> home and cook and D works late but still pitches in. Keep those pictures
> coming, please.
>
> Dora
>
>

I agree completely. The pictures may not be ready for bon appetit, but
the food looks good to me.

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"limey" > wrote

> "modom" wrote
>
>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg

> Good grief, modom, I cannot believe the slams you have received from the
> "critics/experts". I enjoy looking at your pictures and don't give a darn
> if the food is on a red plate, or has left stray drips on the plate rims,
> or if the pictures aren't "just right".
> As far as I'm concerned, you're to be admired - you work hard but still
> come home and cook and D works late but still pitches in. Keep those
> pictures coming, please.

He's remarkably good natured about it, isn't he?

nancy

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
oups.com...

snip creative stuff
>
> It's a Newsgroup.
> Sheldon

Hi Sheldon,
Things slow in your neck of the woods today?
Janet

modom wrote:
> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
> It was a rushed night. A friend from out of town dropped into town
> for a brief howdy happy hour at a local eatery. D had to work late.
> And I was tuckered again. I'm working way to much lately, but maybe
> there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe I'm a phrase maker
> for General Westmoreland. Anyhow, I trucked back home and warmed up
> some soup for dinner. There are soba noodles in the bowl. And some
> other stuff, too. D made the deviled eggs, and they were really good.
>
> I've learned quite a few things from posting these pictures lately.
>
> One thing is that people can get quite riled about aesthetic issues,
> which is pretty refreshing, actually. I'd though those days were over
> sometime after WWI. Rough and tumble disputes about what images
> should look like were a thing of the past I'd thought. It's good to
> know I was wrong. Probably that's why Martha Stewart got so rich. I
> should have noticed.
>
> Another thing I've learned is that a passel of people are under the
> impression that aesthetic choices are analogous to geometric rules of
> inference. There are no exceptions, that is. I'd like to point out
> that such proscritiptions establish a universe of possible error, and
> that many here have assumed that, since my pictures did not comply
> with the rules of food porn, I was not aware of them. This says a lot
> more about my critics than it does about me, about a desire for
> standardization and control.
>
> That I did not comply with the no-red-plates rule indicates a choice I
> made, not a lack of knowledge. That I used a flash in my shots also
> proves a decision about the technology and its potential, not a need
> to take a photo class. That many of my meals include fruit and no
> starch (aside from whole wheat or alterantive grains like buckwheat)
> is an indicator of my family's adherence to a low-carbohydrate diet,
> not a failure of imagination. That I didn't wipe the sauce off the
> edge of the plate is an artifact of my haste to chow down, not a
> mistake. Etc.
>
> The attitude I've experienced in many (but not all responses) has been
> one of an assertion of one-upmanship, of happily finding evidence of
> error. Or imagining such evidence at times. That and an eager
> willingness to police difference.
>
> The pictures were not conceived, intended or executed with any concern
> for hard and fast aesthetic rules. They're just dinner. Come and get
> it. Or order take out.
>
> As to the slanderous allegation that I'm visually incompetent, let me
> say that I currently am a member of a university's graduate art
> faculty and that at present I serve on seven graduate art students'
> MFA committees, chairing three of them. These students asked me to
> chair their committes, to educate them. It was a decision they made
> in their own self interest because they thought I could best help them
> learn. I hold an MFA (there ain't no PhD in painting -- an MFA is a
> terminal degree) and have taught in numerous colleges and universities
> for 18 of the past 20 years. I've also written scores of art reviews
> and essays to accompany art exhibitions during that time. And I was
> PAID for my insight each time.
>
> You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.
>
> I just like to cook, too.
> --
> modom
>
> "My baby's got no clothes
> 'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."
>
> -- Chuck E. Weiss

you know, i'm just going to say that I enjoy your dinner pictures. They're a
great visual to go with your description. Sometimes I can't quite picture the
meal being described.

Also, i think that some people's issues might be more related to their
monitors. Sometimes people mention that things look like dark blobs, but I
always see a lot of detail in the photos I look at.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:06:55 GMT, Mr Libido Incognito >
wrote:

>modom wrote on 22 Feb 2006 in rec.food.cooking
>
>> You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.
>>
>> I just like to cook, too.
>> --
>> modom
>>
>
>I, for one, enjoy your ongoing adventures into cooking....If you like red
>who am I to complain...I ain't paying for it only looking at the finished
>results. And to me it is looking good. I would pay big bucks to have your
>imagination though.

Thanks, Alan. Actually, I think the red plates are funny, but that's
just me.
--
modom

"My baby's got no clothes
'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."

-- Chuck E. Weiss

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:49:59 GMT, jay > wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:37:14 -0600, modom wrote:
>
>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
>> I just like to cook, too.
>
You wrote this paragraph:

>You seem like a nice guy. I have eaten many meals that don't even come
>close to looking and probably tasting as good as yours. I have
>eaten many "meals" out of a plastic bag or standing over the stove. My
>comments are not meant to offend you..even if they do.

Then you wrote this one:
>
>You like to cook? Sorry, but from the pictures of what you have posted
>you don't know how to cook and are not learning much. You have a good
>job, why don't you spend some of that money you are hoarding on some
>QUALITY ingredients? You probably spend way more in a month on art
>supplies than on food,.. frugal..like a lot of people. 3$ gasoline, ok,
>but I ain't wasting nothing on my fuel or my families. The fuel of life is
>worth ALL of your money. If you want to eat kibbled mush or whatever you
>can find for 99 cents a pound or LESS that is up to you..it may be the
>healthier approach ..but you are not going to learn much about cooking,
>cooking mush. You will learn to stir.

So which is it? My stuff tasted better than the "meals" you scarfed
out of plastic bags, as you wrote in the fist graf; or mine is
uniformly kibbled mush? If it is both, then what brand of kibbled
mush out of a plastic bag do you prefer when you indulge?

Further, I ask that you support your assertions concerning my budget
with evidence or withdraw them.

[do-it-yourself art criticism snipped]

Jeeze, what a nutcase.
--
modom

"My baby's got no clothes
'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."

-- Chuck E. Weiss

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:26:27 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:
>
>"limey" > wrote
>
>> "modom" wrote
>>
>>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>
>> Good grief, modom, I cannot believe the slams you have received from the
>> "critics/experts". I enjoy looking at your pictures and don't give a darn
>> if the food is on a red plate, or has left stray drips on the plate rims,
>> or if the pictures aren't "just right".
>> As far as I'm concerned, you're to be admired - you work hard but still
>> come home and cook and D works late but still pitches in. Keep those
>> pictures coming, please.
>
>He's remarkably good natured about it, isn't he?
>
>nancy
>
Not really.
--
modom

"My baby's got no clothes
'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."

-- Chuck E. Weiss

"modom" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:06:55 GMT, Mr Libido Incognito >
> wrote:
>
>>modom wrote on 22 Feb 2006 in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> You think I can't see? You're an idiot. My JOB is seeing.
>>>
>>> I just like to cook, too.
>>> --
>>> modom
>>>
>>
>>I, for one, enjoy your ongoing adventures into cooking....If you like red
>>who am I to complain...I ain't paying for it only looking at the finished
>>results. And to me it is looking good. I would pay big bucks to have your
>>imagination though.
>
> Thanks, Alan. Actually, I think the red plates are funny, but that's
> just me.
> --
> modom

I have one red plate -- I bring it out occasionally. I'm sure we've all
seen them in gift shops. It says "You are special today."
I should use it more.
Dee Dee

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:20:58 -0500, "limey" >
wrote:

>
>"modom" wrote
>
>> http://i1.tinypic.com/of1slw.jpg
>>
>
>Good grief, modom, I cannot believe the slams you have received from the
>"critics/experts". I enjoy looking at your pictures and don't give a darn
>if the food is on a red plate, or has left stray drips on the plate rims, or
>if the pictures aren't "just right".
>As far as I'm concerned, you're to be admired - you work hard but still come
>home and cook and D works late but still pitches in. Keep those pictures
>coming, please.
>
>Dora
>
It really did get pretty absurd yesterday. I posted a boring picture
tonight, unfortunately. The chuckleheads will soon thunder in for
more carping.

Hmmm, carp-eating chuckleheads...it's just stupid enough that it might
work.
--
modom

"My baby's got no clothes
'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."

-- Chuck E. Weiss

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:31:24 -0600, modom > wrote:

>It really did get pretty absurd yesterday. I posted a boring picture
>tonight, unfortunately. The chuckleheads will soon thunder in for
>more carping.

I have a suggestion for all the complainers: post your own dinner
pics, and see if you can do better!

And then, all of us enjoying Mike's dinner pics, can critique yours!

Christine

Christine Dabney wrote on 23 Feb 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:31:24 -0600, modom > wrote:
>
> >It really did get pretty absurd yesterday. I posted a boring picture
> >tonight, unfortunately. The chuckleheads will soon thunder in for
> >more carping.
>
> I have a suggestion for all the complainers: post your own dinner
> pics, and see if you can do better!
>
> And then, all of us enjoying Mike's dinner pics, can critique yours!
>
> Christine
>

In this case most of his taste is in his mouth....err plate.

--
-Alan

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:43:37 -0800, Christine Dabney wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:31:24 -0600, modom > wrote:
>
> I have a suggestion for all the complainers: post your own dinner
> pics, and see if you can do better!
>
> And then, all of us enjoying Mike's dinner pics, can critique yours!
>
> Christine

This group is for discussing food related topics. If you post, discussion
will happen. Some prefer to scurry around and pucker for each other. Others
will discuss food related topics, pro and CON. BTW most anyone can do
better..maybe even you.

cathyxyz wrote:

>jay wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0800, cathyxyz wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Mr. you are a meshuggener. You keep chasing me..is it love? I did not say
>>his pix offended me. You need to take your OWN advice and read the book.
>>You have obviously not read it. When you get a chance the book to get is
>>"How to WIN friends and Influence People."
>>
>>
>
>That's *Mrs.* Meshuggener to you.... and I am sure Mr Carnegie is
>turning in his grave as we speak....
>
>Lemme give you a little quote from the man himself: (I think point
>number 3. would be worth remembering)
>
>Part Four
>Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing
>Resentment
>A leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and
>behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
>
> 1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
> 2. Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
> 3. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
> 4. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
> 5. Let the other person save face.
> 6. Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be
>"hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."
> 7. Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
> 8. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
> 9. Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.
>
>
>Cheers
>Cathy(xyz)
>
>
>
All that is very wise advce when you are employing or training adults.
However, I do remember my DH used to work with a most exasperating woman
who reacted very badly to praise. She couldn't cope with it at all, she
was only happy, if you see what I mean, when she was being criticised.
To that end she would go out of her way to stuff things up, and start
apologising before her mistake had even been uncovered. They got a new
boss who tried giving her more responsibility with a view to praising
her when she completed whatever it was successfully. In the end he gave
up and exiled her to an area where she was out of everyone's way and not
doing much, which pleased everybody.

Modom, however, is a different kettle of eels. I keep asking myself, why
does he do it? He's showing us these pictures and inviting comment.
Nobobdy forces him to do it.
OK, some people have been a bit unkind, but this is usenet, you take the
rough with the smooth. Sooner or later somebody who enjoys being abusive
is going to call a spade a bloody shovel, or worse.

I have not commented on his pictures on the principle that if you can't
say anything nice... Though I was sorely tempted by that recent effort
which looked as though the cat had vomited on the plate. However, since
I am now commenting, I will say that his pictures aren't very good. I
know nothing about the technical aspects of photography (others who do
have tried to help), but I know what good food photos look like. Even
allowing for the old fashoned style of his actual pictures, the plating
up is amateur in the extreme. It's not even old-fashioned, it's just
clumsy. I can only assume he never reads foodie magazines or eats out
at half decent restaurants.

So what is going on? Have you noticed how often he says things like
"Sorry about the smear of sauce on the plate"? Why doesn't he just wipe
it off before he takes the photo? We get a description of the dish, but
the food sounds better than it looks, the reverse of the situation with
a lot of illustrated recipes. And people say, sounds delicious, which it
does, but the photo doesn't reinforce the description. The description
is often an explanation of the photo, rather than a recipe.

In the end I am reminded of the Rotary art shows where Sunday painters
exhibit, and expect to sell, very mediocre paintings which must have
cost $100 to frame. The punters stand in front of them saying "There's a
lot of work in it...", which is true but does not mean the paintings are
any good as art. If you point out that the perspective's all wrong or
the composition is poor they glare at you, making elitist judgments
about some poor bugger who's just trying their best. The point is, if
you put your work on public display in open competition with others who
may be more skilled than you are, you've got to be prepared to accept
fair criticism.

Christine

Sheldon wrote:

>Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>
>>"jay" > wrote:
>>
>>
><snip>
>
>
>>>You are strung way too tight. Relax a little and don't spend so much time
>>>
>>>
>>judging.
>>
>>
>
>It's a Newsgroup. Newsgroups are open forums meant primarilly for
>debate. RFC is for *discussing* food issues... not for as you imply,
>for masturbating each other. This ain't that kinda Newsgroup, Janet...
>seems you're the one strung too tight, your goo is drooling off the
>edge of your pc chair in buckets and still no orgasms
>
>Sheldon
>
>
>
And here was me worrying that you'd mellowed during my prolonged absence!

Christine

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:46:33 +1100, Old Mother Ashby wrote:

> All that is very wise advce when you are employing or training adults.
> However, I do remember my DH used to work with a most exasperating woman
> who reacted very badly to praise. She couldn't cope with it at all, she
> was only happy, if you see what I mean, when she was being criticised.
> To that end she would go out of her way to stuff things up, and start
> apologising before her mistake had even been uncovered. They got a new
> boss who tried giving her more responsibility with a view to praising
> her when she completed whatever it was successfully. In the end he gave
> up and exiled her to an area where she was out of everyone's way and not
> doing much, which pleased everybody.
>
> Modom, however, is a different kettle of eels. I keep asking myself, why
> does he do it? He's showing us these pictures and inviting comment.
> Nobobdy forces him to do it.
> OK, some people have been a bit unkind, but this is usenet, you take the
> rough with the smooth. Sooner or later somebody who enjoys being abusive
> is going to call a spade a bloody shovel, or worse.
>
> I have not commented on his pictures on the principle that if you can't
> say anything nice... Though I was sorely tempted by that recent effort
> which looked as though the cat had vomited on the plate. However, since
> I am now commenting, I will say that his pictures aren't very good. I
> know nothing about the technical aspects of photography (others who do
> have tried to help), but I know what good food photos look like. Even
> allowing for the old fashoned style of his actual pictures, the plating
> up is amateur in the extreme. It's not even old-fashioned, it's just
> clumsy. I can only assume he never reads foodie magazines or eats out
> at half decent restaurants.
>
> So what is going on? Have you noticed how often he says things like
> "Sorry about the smear of sauce on the plate"? Why doesn't he just wipe
> it off before he takes the photo? We get a description of the dish, but
> the food sounds better than it looks, the reverse of the situation with
> a lot of illustrated recipes. And people say, sounds delicious, which it
> does, but the photo doesn't reinforce the description. The description
> is often an explanation of the photo, rather than a recipe.
>
> In the end I am reminded of the Rotary art shows where Sunday painters
> exhibit, and expect to sell, very mediocre paintings which must have
> cost $100 to frame. The punters stand in front of them saying "There's a
> lot of work in it...", which is true but does not mean the paintings are
> any good as art. If you point out that the perspective's all wrong or
> the composition is poor they glare at you, making elitist judgments
> about some poor bugger who's just trying their best. The point is, if
> you put your work on public display in open competition with others who
> may be more skilled than you are, you've got to be prepared to accept
> fair criticism.
>
> Christine

Thanks! This thread needed your input.

Old Mother Ashby wrote:
>

> The point is, if you put your work on public display in open competition with others who
> may be more skilled than you are, you've got to be prepared to accept
> fair criticism.

You have raised some very good points, Christine... but as you said:
fair criticism... I still think that some of the remarks made were
uncalled for... Several people have criticized modem's pix and offered
some helpful advice, whereas others have just been plain old rude and
insulting. At least modem is enjoying his cooking adventures/pix - and
so am I
--
Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:15:09 +0200, cathyxyz
> wrote:

>Old Mother Ashby wrote:
>>
>
>> The point is, if you put your work on public display in open competition with others who
>> may be more skilled than you are, you've got to be prepared to accept
>> fair criticism.
>
>You have raised some very good points, Christine... but as you said:
>fair criticism... I still think that some of the remarks made were
>uncalled for... Several people have criticized modem's pix and offered
>some helpful advice, whereas others have just been plain old rude and
>insulting. At least modem is enjoying his cooking adventures/pix - and
>so am I

The thing is, we don't know if the ones criticizing modem's pictures
are more skilled than he is. They surely aren't posting their
pictures for others to see, at least as far as I can see. For all we
know, they might be horrible picture takers and might be trying to
pull a fast one on us.

Christine

Christine Dabney wrote:

>
> The thing is, we don't know if the ones criticizing modem's pictures
> are more skilled than he is. They surely aren't posting their
> pictures for others to see, at least as far as I can see. For all we
> know, they might be horrible picture takers and might be trying to
> pull a fast one on us.

This group... pull a fast one... I think not heh heh heh....

But I like looking at all the pix... it's all part of the fun and I
have learned a lot!!

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:15:09 +0200, cathyxyz
> > wrote:
>
>>Old Mother Ashby wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> The point is, if you put your work on public display in open
>>> competition with others who
>>> may be more skilled than you are, you've got to be prepared to
>>> accept
>>> fair criticism.
>>
>>You have raised some very good points, Christine... but as you said:
>>fair criticism... I still think that some of the remarks made were
>>uncalled for... Several people have criticized modem's pix and offered
>>some helpful advice, whereas others have just been plain old rude and
>>insulting. At least modem is enjoying his cooking adventures/pix - and
>>so am I
>
> The thing is, we don't know if the ones criticizing modem's pictures
> are more skilled than he is. They surely aren't posting their
> pictures for others to see, at least as far as I can see. For all we
> know, they might be horrible picture takers and might be trying to
> pull a fast one on us.

LOL nice one Christine)

On 25 Feb 2006 13:17:45 -0800, "cathyxyz" >
wrote:


>But I like looking at all the pix... it's all part of the fun and I
>have learned a lot!!
>
>Cheers
>Cathy(xyz)

Me too. I have been learning a lot.

Another place to see really good food pictures, is on eGullet,
especially the long running Dinner thread. Some incredible pics
there. I have learned a lot from those folks as well.

And there was a thread on eGullet about food photography and how to
improve the pictures everyone was taking. I might try to find it.

I need to start trying to take pics of my plated food. I usually just
pull things out of the oven and take a picture then, and then forget
to take one when it is all plated.

Maybe later this week...

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On 25 Feb 2006 13:17:45 -0800, "cathyxyz" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>But I like looking at all the pix... it's all part of the fun and I
>>have learned a lot!!
>>
>>Cheers
>>Cathy(xyz)
>
> Me too. I have been learning a lot.
>
> Another place to see really good food pictures, is on eGullet,
> especially the long running Dinner thread. Some incredible pics
> there. I have learned a lot from those folks as well.
>
> And there was a thread on eGullet about food photography and how to
> improve the pictures everyone was taking. I might try to find it.
>
> I need to start trying to take pics of my plated food. I usually just
> pull things out of the oven and take a picture then, and then forget
> to take one when it is all plated.
>
> Maybe later this week...
>

Christine, where is eGullet please?

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:26:37 GMT, "Ophelia" > wrote:

>Christine, where is eGullet please?

www.eGullet.org

Go to the Forums page. Under the Cooking section, is the Dinner
thread.

It is a real treasure trove there.

Christine