After about 25 years it seems time to change our Carron Capri three
electric cooker.

I don't like fan ovens. They seem always to be dreadfully noisy and from
experience long ago with industrial controlled environment ovens it was
always the fans that failed first and frequently.

Can anybody suggest a suitable replacement model either fanless or with
a reliable quiet fan.

Edgar

"Edgar Iredale" > wrote in message
...
> After about 25 years it seems time to change our Carron Capri three
> electric cooker.
>
> I don't like fan ovens. They seem always to be dreadfully noisy and from
> experience long ago with industrial controlled environment ovens it was
> always the fans that failed first and frequently.
>
> Can anybody suggest a suitable replacement model either fanless or with
> a reliable quiet fan.
>
> Edgar

I am not sure what you mean by "electric cooker" but our Dacor range has
fans for both convection and cooling and they are quite quiet and have been
trouble-free for many years.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
...
> "Edgar Iredale" > wrote in message
> ...
>> After about 25 years it seems time to change our Carron Capri three
>> electric cooker.
>>
>> I don't like fan ovens. They seem always to be dreadfully noisy and from
>> experience long ago with industrial controlled environment ovens it was
>> always the fans that failed first and frequently.
>>
>> Can anybody suggest a suitable replacement model either fanless or with
>> a reliable quiet fan.
>>
>> Edgar
>
> I am not sure what you mean by "electric cooker" but our Dacor range has
> fans for both convection and cooling and they are quite quiet and have
> been trouble-free for many years.
> --
> Peter Aitken

Electric cooker is the UK term for an electric range. I don't know if the
Dacor is sold there.

Dora

limey wrote:

>
> "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Edgar Iredale" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> After about 25 years it seems time to change our Carron Capri three
>>> electric cooker.
>>>
>>> I don't like fan ovens. They seem always to be dreadfully noisy and
>>> from experience long ago with industrial controlled environment
>>> ovens it was always the fans that failed first and frequently.
>>>
>>> Can anybody suggest a suitable replacement model either fanless or
>>> with a reliable quiet fan.
>>>
>>> Edgar
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by "electric cooker" but our Dacor range
>> has fans for both convection and cooling and they are quite quiet and
>> have been trouble-free for many years.
>> --
>> Peter Aitken
>
> Electric cooker is the UK term for an electric range. I don't know if
> the Dacor is sold there.
>
> Dora

Thanks. Dora is right I'm in England and we still use the expression
"cooker" although "range" is starting to come in for wide cookers. To
me a range is a solid fuel cooker - Rayburn or Aga, etc.

I've just Googled(UK) for Dacor but it seems they are sufficiently
rare here that it would be inadvisable to buy one. Anyway I really
don't want a fan.

Part of the trouble is that suppliers here never seem able to switch on
the things they sell so it's quite impossible to judge the noise. In
other people's homes I notice that fan ovens always seem to make a loud
irritating roar. Much worse than an un-quietened PC.

Edgar

"Edgar Iredale" wrote >>
> I've just Googled(UK) for Dacor but it seems they are sufficiently
> rare here that it would be inadvisable to buy one. Anyway I really
> don't want a fan.
>
> Part of the trouble is that suppliers here never seem able to switch on
> the things they sell so it's quite impossible to judge the noise. In
> other people's homes I notice that fan ovens always seem to make a loud
> irritating roar. Much worse than an un-quietened PC.
>
> Edgar

Edgar, you might want to ask your question on the newsgroup
uk.food+drink.misc . They're a friendly group and would be happy to help
if they can, I'm sure.

Dora

limey wrote:

>
> "Edgar Iredale" wrote >>
>> I've just Googled(UK) for Dacor but it seems they are sufficiently
>> rare here that it would be inadvisable to buy one. Anyway I really
>> don't want a fan.
>>
>> Part of the trouble is that suppliers here never seem able to switch
>> on the things they sell so it's quite impossible to judge the noise.
>> In other people's homes I notice that fan ovens always seem to make a
>> loud irritating roar. Much worse than an un-quietened PC.
>>
>> Edgar
>
> Edgar, you might want to ask your question on the newsgroup
> uk.food+drink.misc . They're a friendly group and would be happy to
> help if they can, I'm sure.
>
> Dora

Thanks Dora. I assumed quiet cookers would be pretty international
things. This group came up when I googled for "quiet cooker" although I
noticed "roaster" didn't get an answer.
Anyway thanks to all for putting up with me.

Edgar

On Fri 03 Mar 2006 12:47:19a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Edgar
Iredale?

> limey wrote:
>
>>
>> "Edgar Iredale" wrote >>
>>> I've just Googled(UK) for Dacor but it seems they are sufficiently
>>> rare here that it would be inadvisable to buy one. Anyway I really
>>> don't want a fan.
>>>
>>> Part of the trouble is that suppliers here never seem able to switch
>>> on the things they sell so it's quite impossible to judge the noise.
>>> In other people's homes I notice that fan ovens always seem to make a
>>> loud irritating roar. Much worse than an un-quietened PC.
>>>
>>> Edgar
>>
>> Edgar, you might want to ask your question on the newsgroup
>> uk.food+drink.misc . They're a friendly group and would be happy to
>> help if they can, I'm sure.
>>
>> Dora
>
> Thanks Dora. I assumed quiet cookers would be pretty international
> things. This group came up when I googled for "quiet cooker" although I
> noticed "roaster" didn't get an answer.
> Anyway thanks to all for putting up with me.
>
> Edgar

The majority of ovens in ranges marketed om the US do not have fans,
although "fan ovens" or "fan-assist ovens" have been popular in the UK and
Europe for many years and probably represent the majority of the market
there. In the US, one assumes no fan unless the unit is being marketed as
a "convection oven". The majority of units in the US that do have
convection ovens can usually be operated either with or without the fan.
As Dora suggested, posting on uk.food+drink.misc may be more helpful, and
somethere there may be able to put you onto a brand that has no fan, or at
least a fan that can be turned off. Good luck with your search.

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri 03 Mar 2006 12:47:19a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Edgar
> Iredale?
>
>> limey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Edgar Iredale" wrote >>
>>>> I've just Googled(UK) for Dacor but it seems they are sufficiently
>>>> rare here that it would be inadvisable to buy one. Anyway I really
>>>> don't want a fan.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the trouble is that suppliers here never seem able to
>>>> switch on the things they sell so it's quite impossible to judge
>>>> the noise. In other people's homes I notice that fan ovens always
>>>> seem to make a loud irritating roar. Much worse than an
>>>> un-quietened PC.
>>>>
>>>> Edgar
>>>
>>> Edgar, you might want to ask your question on the newsgroup
>>> uk.food+drink.misc . They're a friendly group and would be happy
>>> to help if they can, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> Dora
>>
>> Thanks Dora. I assumed quiet cookers would be pretty international
>> things. This group came up when I googled for "quiet cooker" although
>> I noticed "roaster" didn't get an answer.
>> Anyway thanks to all for putting up with me.
>>
>> Edgar
>
> The majority of ovens in ranges marketed om the US do not have fans,
> although "fan ovens" or "fan-assist ovens" have been popular in the UK
> and Europe for many years and probably represent the majority of the
> market
> there. In the US, one assumes no fan unless the unit is being
> marketed as
> a "convection oven". The majority of units in the US that do have
> convection ovens can usually be operated either with or without the
> fan. As Dora suggested, posting on uk.food+drink.misc may be more
> helpful, and somethere there may be able to put you onto a brand that
> has no fan, or at
> least a fan that can be turned off. Good luck with your search.
>

Thanks. That's very interesting and helps make some sense of the
literature I've seen.

I've wondered whether the fans were useful in cooking, fashion must
haves of years ago, or if they improved the energy rating. Anyway the
industrial ovens I remember had to maintain a very even temperature to
simulate conditions of equipment hanging off the outside of Concorde
and covered the range 200deg C to -40deg C(using CO2) - not really much
like cookers at all.

I've been out this morning and discovered that one Belling model appears
to be able to work with or without the fan (multi-function they call
it), and what's more it seems almost an exact replacement for the
Carron regarding size and so forth. So I think my luck is in.

Again thank you all.

Edgar

On Fri 03 Mar 2006 06:56:38a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Edgar
Iredale?

> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri 03 Mar 2006 12:47:19a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Edgar
>> Iredale?
>>
>>> limey wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Edgar Iredale" wrote >>
>>>>> I've just Googled(UK) for Dacor but it seems they are sufficiently
>>>>> rare here that it would be inadvisable to buy one. Anyway I really
>>>>> don't want a fan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the trouble is that suppliers here never seem able to
>>>>> switch on the things they sell so it's quite impossible to judge
>>>>> the noise. In other people's homes I notice that fan ovens always
>>>>> seem to make a loud irritating roar. Much worse than an
>>>>> un-quietened PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edgar
>>>>
>>>> Edgar, you might want to ask your question on the newsgroup
>>>> uk.food+drink.misc . They're a friendly group and would be happy
>>>> to help if they can, I'm sure.
>>>>
>>>> Dora
>>>
>>> Thanks Dora. I assumed quiet cookers would be pretty international
>>> things. This group came up when I googled for "quiet cooker" although
>>> I noticed "roaster" didn't get an answer.
>>> Anyway thanks to all for putting up with me.
>>>
>>> Edgar
>>
>> The majority of ovens in ranges marketed om the US do not have fans,
>> although "fan ovens" or "fan-assist ovens" have been popular in the UK
>> and Europe for many years and probably represent the majority of the
>> market there. In the US, one assumes no fan unless the unit is being
>> marketed as
>> a "convection oven". The majority of units in the US that do have
>> convection ovens can usually be operated either with or without the
>> fan. As Dora suggested, posting on uk.food+drink.misc may be more
>> helpful, and somethere there may be able to put you onto a brand that
>> has no fan, or at
>> least a fan that can be turned off. Good luck with your search.
>>
>
> Thanks. That's very interesting and helps make some sense of the
> literature I've seen.
>
> I've wondered whether the fans were useful in cooking, fashion must
> haves of years ago, or if they improved the energy rating. Anyway the
> industrial ovens I remember had to maintain a very even temperature to
> simulate conditions of equipment hanging off the outside of Concorde
> and covered the range 200deg C to -40deg C(using CO2) - not really much
> like cookers at all.
>
> I've been out this morning and discovered that one Belling model appears
> to be able to work with or without the fan (multi-function they call
> it), and what's more it seems almost an exact replacement for the
> Carron regarding size and so forth. So I think my luck is in.
>
> Again thank you all.
>
> Edgar

You're welcome, and glad it was of some help. Hope the Belling works out
for you.

--
Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
________________________________________

Okay, okay, I take it back! UnScrew you!

"Edgar Iredale" wrote
>
> I've been out this morning and discovered that one Belling model appears
> to be able to work with or without the fan (multi-function they call
> it), and what's more it seems almost an exact replacement for the
> Carron regarding size and so forth. So I think my luck is in.
>
> Again thank you all.
>
> Edgar

Good luck, Edgar. I hope you find exactly what you want. It was pleasant
to talk to you.

Dora