Anyone ever make their own cheese...I wouldn't think anyone has...but
you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...

I just think it's interesting.

I'm sure someone makes their own butter...or buttermilk?
My grandmother used to make her own butter, she milked the cow, churned
the milk, and would scoop off the heavy cream. She put the heavy cream
in a jar and would shake it?
soon...even heavier cream came to the top...and buttermilk was left in
the jar.

She put the butter in a mold with a little rose on it...

does anyone even own a cow...lol

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In article . com>,
"Systemrecovery" > wrote:

> Anyone ever make their own cheese...I wouldn't think anyone has...but
> you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...

We make our own yogurt and have a source for unhomogenized milk that
we keep meaning to use to make cheese, but just end up eating the cream
and drinking the milk.

> does anyone even own a cow...lol

No, but if we get a handle on the chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese
bees, and maybe rabbits, we'd like to get a milk cow and a bull for
breeding. Actually, I'd love to have two milk cows, a Dexter and a
Guernsey, but the Guernseys are really expensive. The Dexter bull could
service both, and we could eat the meat from the offspring. This was
our year for chickens. Next year we get the other poultry and the bees.
We'll get blackberry honey and orchard honey. The following year is
when we'd go for either rabbits or go straight for the cows. The kids
are interested in the rabbits, but we could go either way, so if they
aren't as interested in two years, we'll save up for the cattle instead.

Regards,
Ranee

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Ranee Mueller wrote:
> We make our own yogurt and have a source for unhomogenized milk that
> we keep meaning to use to make cheese, but just end up eating the cream
> and drinking the milk.

lol
i can just imagine it tastes better, and plus you don't get all the
hormones that they proved was in store milk. (where they give them to
the milk cows)

someone told me, I would not like the taste of straight cow milk

> > does anyone even own a cow...lol
>
> No, but if we get a handle on the chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese
> bees, and maybe rabbits, we'd like to get a milk cow and a bull for
> breeding.

ha! now have you ever actually milked a cow?

i think you have to warm your hands up, or she will kick the bucket
over

>Actually, I'd love to have two milk cows, a Dexter and a
> Guernsey,

sounds like a plan! where I live in VA, I would have to have so many
acres per bull and per cow...im not sure the formula...but something
like, 1.5 acres per cow..?...

well..be sure to get a brown cow if you like chocolate milk.

I still haven't figured out, how a black and white cow can eat green
grass and give 32 flavors of ice cream.

> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
this is one of my favorite passages. specially where she gets up early
and makes biscuits

Systemrecovery wrote:
> Anyone ever make their own cheese...I wouldn't think anyone has...but
> you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...

There are??
Damn.. Barb Shaller must be making a KILLING on all those dues payments!

Systemrecovery wrote:
> Anyone ever make their own cheese...I wouldn't think anyone has...but
> you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...
>
> I just think it's interesting.
>
> I'm sure someone makes their own butter...or buttermilk?
> My grandmother used to make her own butter, she milked the cow, churned
> the milk, and would scoop off the heavy cream. She put the heavy cream
> in a jar and would shake it?
> soon...even heavier cream came to the top...and buttermilk was left in
> the jar.
>
> She put the butter in a mold with a little rose on it...
>
> does anyone even own a cow...lol
>
> --
>

I'm going to try to learn to make goat cheese this spring. David and I went to
a goat farm/b&b for our anniversary last year and in the spring when the goats
have babies they get the milk and make some cheese. They don't do it
commercially anymore so they just do it for themselves in the spring. I'm
hoping to head down there again to learn.

I made my own butter once, threw some heavy cream in the stand mixer with the
paddle attachment. I was underwhelmed by the results. I suspect it would have
tasted better if I started with better quality cream.

--
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Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!

In article .com>,
"Systemrecovery" > wrote:

> someone told me, I would not like the taste of straight cow milk

I wonder why they said that?


> ha! now have you ever actually milked a cow?
>
> i think you have to warm your hands up, or she will kick the bucket
> over

I've never milked a cow, unless you count the demonstration, here you
try, at the fair. However, until this last year, we'd never taken care
of chickens. We researched them and read up for about two years before
we got them, we visited people who raised chickens, etc. We're already
researching cattle, etc, and as we get closer, we will most certainly
learn the practical parts of caring for cattle. We've been looking into
the bees for about a year and a half, and were just waiting until we had
one kind of creature under our belts before we added another.

> sounds like a plan! where I live in VA, I would have to have so many
> acres per bull and per cow...im not sure the formula...but something
> like, 1.5 acres per cow..?...

It shouldn't have to do with what state you live in, but how much
room the cow needs to graze. Dexters require 1/2 an acre a head. The
Guernseys require more like the 1 1/2 you mention. We have about five
acres we can use out here, good pasture too.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

snips
>
> No, but if we get a handle on the chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese
> bees, and maybe rabbits, we'd like to get a milk cow and a bull for
> breeding. Actually, I'd love to have two milk cows, a Dexter and a
> Guernsey, but the Guernseys are really expensive. The Dexter bull could
> service both, and we could eat the meat from the offspring. This was
> our year for chickens. Next year we get the other poultry and the bees.
> We'll get blackberry honey and orchard honey. The following year is
> when we'd go for either rabbits or go straight for the cows. The kids
> are interested in the rabbits, but we could go either way, so if they
> aren't as interested in two years, we'll save up for the cattle instead.
>
That's one way to keep the lawn mowed and fertilized. Do you have
enough room at your place for bovines, or would you have to lease
pasture and housing for them? Maybe one of the airplane hangars could
be turned into stalls.;-)

I could see doing having a couple of hens for eggs. Unfortunately, we
have a large number of possums and raccoons in the neighborhood that
would steal eggs, and the random coyote that has killed cats and would
probably dispatch chickens if we didn't house them in a hermetically
sealed compound. If we had ample acreage (fat chance), I'd have goats
for the milk and an occasional Jamaican goat curry or roast cabrito.
I'm tempted to rent goats to take care of the scotch broom and ivy on
the cliff next to our house that threaten to take over the back 40
(square feet) of our yard near the temperamental apricot tree.

Cindy, former farm girl and animal science major

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>
>
> I'm going to try to learn to make goat cheese this spring. David and I went to
> a goat farm/b&b for our anniversary last year and in the spring when the goats
> have babies they get the milk and make some cheese. They don't do it
> commercially anymore so they just do it for themselves in the spring. I'm
> hoping to head down there again to learn.
>
> I made my own butter once, threw some heavy cream in the stand mixer with the
> paddle attachment. I was underwhelmed by the results. I suspect it would have
> tasted better if I started with better quality cream.
>

A dairy expert friend of mine once told me something about "aging" the
cream or the butter or something. I wish I could remember what he said.
It may have been a factor in how your butter tasted.

Ranee wrote >
>>
>> I made my own butter once, threw some heavy cream in the stand mixer with
>> the
>> paddle attachment. I was underwhelmed by the results. I suspect it would
>> have
>> tasted better if I started with better quality cream.
>>

jake wrote:
>
> A dairy expert friend of mine once told me something about "aging" the
> cream or the butter or something. I wish I could remember what he said. It
> may have been a factor in how your butter tasted.

I asked my farm boy husband, who grew up in Virginia. His family had cows
when he was a child
and his aunt had a Jersey cow all her life.. I watched her make butter when
we were there.

Milking a cow takes strong hands.

DH says you need a separator, to separate the cream from the milk. Put the
cream in a large jar each day until you have accumulated enough to go into
the churn. His aunt, I know, had about a gallon jar. She had a smallish
floor churn, with a hand crank to turn the paddle, and lo and behold there
would be butter. I was a city girl, so this was a fun learning experience
for me. The butter was delicious.

Dora

In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:


> > sounds like a plan! where I live in VA, I would have to have so many
> > acres per bull and per cow...im not sure the formula...but something
> > like, 1.5 acres per cow..?...
>
> It shouldn't have to do with what state you live in, but how much
> room the cow needs to graze. Dexters require 1/2 an acre a head. The
> Guernseys require more like the 1 1/2 you mention. We have about five
> acres we can use out here, good pasture too.


It does though. My SIL used to live in Kent, and they only allowed two
horses per acre.

As far as grazing goes, I understand that around here, it is up to five
acres per cow. We get very little rain, especially during the summer.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

In article . com>,
"Systemrecovery" > wrote:

> Anyone ever make their own cheese...I wouldn't think anyone has...but

No, nobody has ever made cheese. It's just a figment of your
imagination.


> you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...


rfc is a newsgroup, and only my newsreader on my computer knows I am
subscribed. You have no way of knowing how many are reading this group.
I've heard it is 50,000 people.



> I'm sure someone makes their own butter

My wife has taught a bunch of cooking classes for kids. This is a
favorite project. She takes a little container of heavy cream, puts it
in a jar, and passes it around. Each kid gives a few shakes.
Eventually there is butter in there, which the kids eat.


> does anyone even own a cow...lol


Nobody owns a cow. Why buy the cow when you are getting the milk for
free?


:-)

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

"Systemrecovery" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Anyone ever make their own cheese...

I've made "30 Minute Mozzarella" many times using a kit I bought from this
place: http://www.cheesemaking.com/. The cheese always turns out very nice
and is very easy to make. My brother also gave me a goat cheese making kit
last Christmas, but I haven't tried making that yet.

Mary

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:59:37 -0500, Goomba38 >
connected the dots and wrote:

~Systemrecovery wrote:
~> Anyone ever make their own cheese...I wouldn't think anyone
has...but
~> you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...
~
~There are??
~Damn.. Barb Shaller must be making a KILLING on all those dues
payments!

Is that where we're supposed to sent them? No wonder I didn't get
mentioned with the last roundup of local color.

maxine in ri

The Bubbo wrote:

> I made my own butter once, threw some heavy cream in the stand mixer with the
> paddle attachment. I was underwhelmed by the results.

that's funny
did you add some salt?


how in heck do you make cheese

everytime I leave milk out...the jug swells up...
water floats to the top...

the bottom gets thick and super stinky (if you pour it out and happen
to get a wiff)
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Dan Abel wrote:
> No, nobody has ever made cheese. It's just a figment of your
> imagination.

i think you should stop putting your head in the oven

> > you never know..I see there are over 1,000 members @ RFC...
>
>
> rfc is a newsgroup, and only my newsreader on my computer knows I am
> subscribed. You have no way of knowing how many are reading this group.
> I've heard it is 50,000 people.

ah! good point..1,000 came from Googles link "about this group"...
i forgot all about the newsreaders.

> Eventually there is butter in there, which the kids eat.

i suppose they put their little butter on some little crackers
and have a little ssssnack


> Nobody owns a cow. Why buy the cow when you are getting the milk for
> free?

now I think you should stay out of alt.votedemocrat

In article .com>,
"Systemrecovery" > wrote:

> how in heck do you make cheese

Do a search on cheese making or dairying, there are thousands of
sites.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article
>,
Cindy Fuller > wrote:

> That's one way to keep the lawn mowed and fertilized. Do you have
> enough room at your place for bovines, or would you have to lease
> pasture and housing for them? Maybe one of the airplane hangars could
> be turned into stalls.;-)

People didn't explore much out here at the cook-in, but we have about
five acres under the runway that is open for us to use, not in the
hangar space, or the taxiway, etc. We'd have to build a barn, and put
in good fencing, but there is plenty of pasture out here. Actually,
Rich has been trying to think of a way of pitching sheep for cutting the
grass for a few years. SFO does that (or did at one point), and it
would cut down on the time he and his assistant had to spend doing
things like that, as well as allowing the runway to stay open while it
is done.

> I could see doing having a couple of hens for eggs. Unfortunately, we
> have a large number of possums and raccoons in the neighborhood that
> would steal eggs, and the random coyote that has killed cats and would
> probably dispatch chickens if we didn't house them in a hermetically
> sealed compound. If we had ample acreage (fat chance), I'd have goats
> for the milk and an occasional Jamaican goat curry or roast cabrito.
> I'm tempted to rent goats to take care of the scotch broom and ivy on
> the cliff next to our house that threaten to take over the back 40
> (square feet) of our yard near the temperamental apricot tree.

We have fencing put in trenches two feet under the ground, chicken
wire all around the pen and netting over the top, as well as a coop with
a floor, rather than on the ground. Rich has been trapping and
poisoning rats for the past two months, and we haven't seen one in over
four weeks. There are coyote, racoons, eagles, hawks, owls, you name
it. We're securing the chicken compound as best we can, and locking
them in the coop at night.

> Cindy, former farm girl and animal science major

I should interrogate you.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> It does though. My SIL used to live in Kent, and they only allowed two
> horses per acre.

That's a maximum, that makes sense. It sounded like the state
determining how much grazing was allowed per animal.

Regards,
Ranee

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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:22:41 -0800, Ranee Mueller
> wrote:

>In article .com>,
> "Systemrecovery" > wrote:
>
>> how in heck do you make cheese
>
> Do a search on cheese making or dairying, there are thousands of
>sites.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese.html

This one looks interesting.
--
Susan N.

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48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
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"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> In article .com>,
> "Systemrecovery" > wrote:
>
>> how in heck do you make cheese
>
> Do a search on cheese making or dairying, there are thousands of
> sites.

A cheesemaking kit is an easy way to start making cheese.

Mary

In article
>,
Cindy Fuller > wrote:

> Cindy, former farm girl and animal science major

And she still wakes up at 5am, too.

--
Julian Vrieslander

In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Cindy Fuller > wrote:
>
> People didn't explore much out here at the cook-in, but we have about
> five acres under the runway that is open for us to use, not in the
> hangar space, or the taxiway, etc. We'd have to build a barn, and put
> in good fencing, but there is plenty of pasture out here. Actually,
> Rich has been trying to think of a way of pitching sheep for cutting the
> grass for a few years. SFO does that (or did at one point), and it
> would cut down on the time he and his assistant had to spend doing
> things like that, as well as allowing the runway to stay open while it
> is done.

I think Seattle Parks & Recreation has rented goats to take care of some
of the invasive plants on hillsides and the like. They tread more
lightly than humans, plus you don't have to worry as much about worker
injuries with goats. It can be pitched as environmentally friendly
(provided nobody had to truck the sheep or goats up and down the hill
every week).
>
> We have fencing put in trenches two feet under the ground, chicken
> wire all around the pen and netting over the top, as well as a coop with
> a floor, rather than on the ground. Rich has been trapping and
> poisoning rats for the past two months, and we haven't seen one in over
> four weeks. There are coyote, racoons, eagles, hawks, owls, you name
> it. We're securing the chicken compound as best we can, and locking
> them in the coop at night.

My grandfather converted his cow barn into a large chicken coop later on
in his life. Several barn cats kept down the rodent population. They
didn't bother the chickens, probably because they had other sources of
food.

>
> > Cindy, former farm girl and animal science major
>
> I should interrogate you.
>
Only if you need help on how to give a cat a pill or subcutaneous
fluids. I haven't done much with raising poultry since grad school--and
they were male broiler chicks, not laying hens.

Cindy

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Ranee Mueller wrote:
> Do a search on cheese making or dairying, there are thousands of
> sites.

:
--
i watched a program about making cheese, they put cheese under a
microscope

wow! cheese is alive and busting at the seems with little mites
bite-a-mytes something like that..little suction cups on their feet
neading the cheese

when they poop, it's what gives the cheese it's unique tangy flavor

Ranee Mueller wrote:
> Do a search on cheese making or dairying, there are thousands of
> sites.

:
--
i watched a program about making cheese, they put cheese under a
microscope

wow! cheese is alive and busting at the seems with little mites
bite-a-mytes something like that..little suction cups on their feet
neading the cheese

when they poop, it's what gives the cheese it's unique tangy flavor

In article
>,
Julian Vrieslander > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Cindy Fuller > wrote:
>
> > Cindy, former farm girl and animal science major
>
> And she still wakes up at 5am, too.

Sleeping in, is she?

Regards,
Ranee

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