oldwetdog wrote:
> THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF FALSE DOCTRINE
>
> We, His People, the Church, will be gathered, ascend or be 'taken
> up' to be with Him. That is a Truth. The debate is "when" and "why."
>
> The difference between "the rapture" and "the Gathering of His
> Elect" or "the Harvest of Earth" is both in the timing and the
> reason He will gather His People, the Elect, the Church. Mat
> 24:29-31. 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thes 4:15-18, Rev 11:11-13 20:9-10
> and others.
>
> The Doctrine of "the rapture" is not just that the Church will
> ascend into heaven to be with the Lord. But "the rapture" teaches
> the Church will be 'taken up' so that we do not have to live
> through affliction or the time of Tribulation, or die; while the
> rest of earth's people must live through affliction and tribulation.
>
> I will not prove, again, in this writing, that "the rapture" is
> false doctrine.
> See:
> *"Does scripture teach the rapture of the Church?"
> http://tinyurl.com/nbu6q
>
> *"Seventh trumpet: evidence of delusion"
> http://tinyurl.com/lsmbe
>
> *"A list of trumpet events"
> http://tinyurl.com/p2epu
>
> *"We shall be caught up"
> http://tinyurl.com/syneu
>
> *"Affliction and Tribulation"
> http://tinyurl.com/de624
>
> There seem to be three theories of when this event will occur:
> pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, post-tribulation. I will not
> define or debate differences between these various theories. I
> will continue from the position that it is a false doctrine and
> therefore all variations of it are also false.
>
> There are several dangers in this false doctrine.
>
> First is a hope to escape affliction, pain and suffering. It is
> certainly natural for us to hope that we will not have to endure
> pain. We avoid pain anytime we can: who in their right mind does
> not? We insist on pain killer when we visit the dentist. When we
> are no longer children, we avoid broken legs and falling on our
> head if at all possible.
>
> If we stop and think for a moment, we will realize that it is
> only the last generation, or two, who have been able to get a
> shot or take a pill to eliminate pain. All the generations of men
> who lived before the 1930-40's had to endure pain as part of life.
>
> Since avoiding needless pain is a natural hope, it makes us easy
> prey for a lie that if we will drink two glasses of water every
> morning we will live long, then die suddenly with no pain or
> suffering.
>
> The lie, that we can hope to live out our lives without suffering
> as a testimony of our faith in Christ, is definitely aimed at our
> natural hope to live, and escape death, without pain.
>
> However, this lie completely ignores scripture which tells us the
> Truth: "...No man should be moved by these afflictions: for
> yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto." 1 Thes 3:3-4
> and 2 Tim 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus
> shall suffer persecution." 1 Peter 2:19-21 and read carefully
> Matthew 24:7-10, 15, 21.
>
> The Second danger is the confusion of the sequence of events
> which will occur before and at His return. The sequence is
> important because, although we can not know which day That Day
> will be, we can know the general time, or the generation, so we
> will not be in the dark.
>
> Paul wrote, "...As ye see the day approaching..." Hebrews 10:25
> and 1 Thes 5:4: "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that That
> Day should overtake you as a thief." Mat 25:1-13. Luke 12:54-56
> "And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of
> the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it
> is. And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be
> heat; and it cometh to pass. Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the
> face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not
> discern this time?
>
> His Elect, we, are not hypocrites who cannot discern the signs of
> the times. But Satan wants to confuse God's People about the
> signs, and the sequence of events at His coming, just as he
> deceived the people of Jesus' day.
>
> A Third danger is the confusion of what these events actually
> are. That is, what "tribulation" is, and who is the cause of the
> tribulation. Those who teach "the rapture" use terms like
> "tribulation judgment" and "tribulation wrath," even though these
> ideas are not found in His Word. This is intended to confuse
> Christians about what these events are and who causes them, as
> well as when they will occur.
>
> God's Wrath is described in two different ways, which occur at
> different times. First is "the seven bowels of His Wrath." Rev
> 16:1-21. It is important to understand that the first four of
> these vials of Wrath are poured out upon the earth, that is, the
> planet; not on God's People. Then the fifth and sixth vials of
> Wrath are poured out upon the Beasts Kingdom; again not on God's
> People. The Last Vial is poured out on the World (as the flood of
> Noah was); again, not on God's People.
>
> The second instance of God's Wrath is described by Paul. "But
> after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto
> thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the
> righteous judgment of God..." Rom 1:32, 2:2-5 and Rev 11:13-18;
> "Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be
> judged..."
>
> Neither of these events involve God's People, and neither is
> described as "tribulation judgment" or "tribulation wrath." These
> terms are inventions of Satan, and are used in his attempt to lie
> to, confuse and deceive God's People.
>
> A fourth danger is the possibility that some Christians may
> accuse others of not being Christian if they do not accept the
> false doctrine of "the rapture." And certainly the reverse is
> true; that some Christians may accuse those who do believe this
> lie of being 'not Christians.' This attempt to get brothers and
> sisters fighting among themselves is exactly what Satan did to
> Cain and Able. Yes, believing a lie is dangerous: but we are
> saved by believing that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, not
> by getting every detail of Doctrine correct.
>
> A fifth danger is; having believed this lie, when we discover we
> have been deceived, we will be angry at God. As Satan said (the
> words out of Job's wife's mouth) to Job; "curse God and die!" Job
> 2:9. The closer we get to the day and time of affliction, the
> more dangerous this discovery will be. It is best to discover the
> truth early so we have time to grow strong in it.
>
> The sixth danger has many parts: but basically it is that some
> will never discover the truth, or having discovered it too late,
> may reject it and God. This problem is rooted in the habit of the
> majority of people: believing what someone in authority tells
> them to believe.
>
> That a majority of Christians believe what they are told to
> believe is simple fact. Some Christians have been raised in a
> Church that teaches it is a sin to use musical instruments in
> worship; so they believe it. Many Christians have been taught
> that they are to take communion once a month, or once a year; so
> they believe it. If, this Sunday, their Priest or Pastor were to
> tell them that they discovered in God's Word that the moon is
> made of Blue Cheese, they may smile for a few minutes, but then
> they would believe the moon is made of Blue Cheese.
>
> The next majority has a habit which is worse: they believe what
> they wish, no matter what His Word says. If it sounds good, if it
> tickles their ears, they believe it. If it allows them to do what
> they wish, they believe it. These have no love of truth.
>
> The willingness to believe what someone tells one to believe, or
> to simply believe what one wishes; rather than loving Truth and
> doing as the Christians of Berea did; is a dangerous weakness.
>
> Coming Soon
> What will happen is; that modern Rome will come to power. "Oh,
> many will say, that has nothing to do with the coming of the
> Lord." Then Satan will take control of Rome, and those who
> recognize the signs of the time will begin to witness in sorrow
> and hope; but still some will say, "Oh that has nothing to do
> with the coming of the Lord."
>
> Then Satan will proclaim himself to be God. There will be a false
> Christ. The false God and False Christ will proclaim that the
> rapture is past, and if you are still here, then you are lost:
> however, if you will worship (this false God) him you can be saved.
>
> Then this false God will claim to be "God" and begin to murder
> those who refuse to worship him. The false Christ will claim that
> the millennial reign of Christ has begun: and all those who
> missed "the rapture" can become "tribulation saints" in the
> millennial reign of (this false) Christ.
>
> Then, the worst deception of all: Many who do not recognize the
> Modern false God and false Christ will turn on Christians who
> reject the false God and false Christ of Rome; then they will
> betray us to these false gods, and we will be killed as a
> testimony of our faith. Rev 11:2, 3-6, 7-13. Dan 9:27 Mat
> 24:6-10, 15, 21.
>
>
> This generation will not all pass away until all prophecy of his
> coming are fulfilled.
>
> In the words of John:
> "Even so, Lord, come."
> Amen.
>
>
>
>
>
> owd
> +-<[:-)>>-
> http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
>
> God tells us He will give us the understanding of His Word.
> James 1:5. Mat. 7:7-11, 10:26, Luke 24:45, 1 Cor. 12:8.
> Ps 111:10, 119:33-34, 105, Pro 2:6, 9:10, Ecc. 2:26,
> -+-
>
> Compare Eze 2:9 to 3:3 and Dan 12:9-10 with Rev 1:1, 10:7-10.
> -+-
>
> For in much wisdom is much grief:
> And he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
> Solomon
> -+-

Amen and amen.

May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these USENET
newsgroups, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen ! ! !

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:

> For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
> how the LORD has reshaped me:
>
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour. Such an
empty apology amounts to false witness. You surely must have read what
your mythical Yahweh has to say about that.

--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Atheist for life.

Religion is a social contract between those who would rule us and those
who won't deal with their own shit.

sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
> > how the LORD has reshaped me:
> >
> Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.

Sorry my shape continues to bother you. You may certainly pray that GOD
reshapes me into something that is more pleasing to you.

> Such an empty apology amounts to false witness.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

> You surely must have read what
> your mythical Yahweh has to say about that.

Yes.

You remain in my prayers, dear David whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

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the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
>
>> For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
>> how the LORD has reshaped me:
>>
> Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour. Such an
> empty apology amounts to false witness. You surely must have read what
> your mythical Yahweh has to say about that.
>

If you want to feed the Troll that's fine by me...

but why cross post into other NG's ??

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:19:29 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>, satan's agent who has borne false witness
wrote:


nothing to explain why he has done so.


jim

sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
>
> > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
> > how the LORD has reshaped me:
> >
> Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.

Sorry my choice to apologize bother you so terribly. Please forgive all
my iniquities.

You will remain in my prayers, dear David whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD draw you closer to HIM so that someday you will be able to read
the following that is written on HIS thigh:

"KING of kings and LORD of lords."

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
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Barry OGrady wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:43:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > wrote:
>
> >sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
> >>
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
> >>
> >> > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
> >> > how the LORD has reshaped me:
> >> >
> >> Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.
> >
> >Sorry my choice to apologize bother you so terribly. Please forgive all
> >my iniquities.
>
> No.

Your choice made through the free will that GOD has generously given
you.

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LORD willing:

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
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