~patches~ wrote:
>
> Yep, lets paint the whole country with the same paint brush

You are the one who said that things aren't done the same way there as
they are here.

>I said
> it appeared to be a pet, no way of knowing for sure. I also have no
> idea whether it is healthy or not. Just because you don't eat meat,
> doesn't mean other don't.

I do eat meat. I eat meat that is raised as meat and is humanely bred,
grown and killed. What I don't eat are wild animals or those that were
former pets, that through the choices of some asshole human, find
themselves fending for themselves. Animals that are dumped have to
revert to the wild status to survive which is an extremely difficult
and stressful process. Most succumb to predation or are killed in the
streets.


>That rabbit will make a dandy stew! <evil
> grin>

That's noting to be proud of and nothing to joke about. You're just
making yourself look more like an asshole.


>BTW, wild rabbits are caught and ate here all the time as are
> musk rats, deer, moose, ducks and squirrels.

Because God knows we don't exploit enough animals for food as it is...

>If you think no one in the
> US eats this kind of stuff, you are sadly in need of an education.

Yes, there are assholes here too.

> I
> hear tell you even had one criminal who ate humans

He wasn't just a "criminal" he was menatally ill. Your lack of
compassion is appalling.

>Oh yes, as well we
> have a bounty on foxes. Its shoot to kill and you get a reward for
> doing that. I'm pretty sure that is the same as some places in the US.

That's even worse. Kill a beautiful wild animal merely for living in
its own habitat. It makes me ashamed to be in the same species with
humans who do so.


>
> I'm very pragmatic. My garden feeds us for most of the year. Rabbits
> and gardens cannot co-exist.

Sure they can. You protect the garden. Many people do it every year.

> Humans are more important than animals

Therein lies your real problem. You're a real piece of work.

>so
> the rabbit goes.

Karma's a bitch. It must suck to be you.

-L.

limey wrote:
> "Doug Kanter" wrote
>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote >
> patches wrote:
> I'm tempted to turn the little
>>>> bugger into rabbit stew! Any good recipes?
>>> Aw, but they're so cute!
>> So are deer, except that some of them also need to die before my garden
>> gets going this season.
>
> We're overrun with deer. We can't build a fence because of community
> association restrictive covenants, yet last year they stripped the tomato
> vines, the cucumbers, the hydrangeas, the peonies, my oriental lilies as
> they were two or three inches high and any other green thing they could get
> their teeth into. Naturally, they maraud in the middle of the night so we
> don't see them (just their tracks). Very disheartening.
>
> Dora
>


Get a motion activated sprinkler. Nothing likes to get hit with a
stream of cold water. Except maybe a duck. If your garden is being
eaten by marauding ducks, you are screwed.

I used a motion activated sprinkler to keep the birds (not ducks) from
pulling up my seedlings last year and it worked great. HTH :-)

Best regards,
Bob

"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>
>> In New York, the law really doesn't differentiate between pets or "other"
>> animals, in certain situations. Once an animal's off its property, it
>> becomes "wildlife". The definitions of "farm", "cultivated" and
>> "wildlife"
>> in this law have been tested nicely in the courts, and precedent may now
>> include cute little bunnies, as well as your neighbor's stinking dog.
>>
>> http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d...ife/damage.htm
>
> I don't care about laws. She knows this is a former pet. If that's
> the case, the humane thing to do is shelter it.
> -L.
>

That's her choice. But don't pretend that animals don't destroy things that
have great value to other people, like food, or the products of one's daily
work (crops).

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> So why isn't it gone by now instead of discussing it ad infinitum?
>

Obviously because she wants the whole world to know what an asshole she
is. I should have know from the title of the thread what her stance
would be...

-L.

Doug Kanter wrote:
> "limey" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Doug Kanter" wrote
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote >
>> patches wrote:
>> I'm tempted to turn the little
>>>>> bugger into rabbit stew! Any good recipes?
>>>> Aw, but they're so cute!
>>> So are deer, except that some of them also need to die before my garden
>>> gets going this season.
>> We're overrun with deer. We can't build a fence because of community
>> association restrictive covenants, yet last year they stripped the tomato
>> vines, the cucumbers, the hydrangeas, the peonies, my oriental lilies as
>> they were two or three inches high and any other green thing they could
>> get their teeth into. Naturally, they maraud in the middle of the night
>> so we don't see them (just their tracks). Very disheartening.
>>
>> Dora
>>
>
> I may have a solution. I understand they don't like having their feet
> interfered with. I have a lot of 6' fence wire. I'm thinking of laying it on
> the ground, but bending every other row of squares upward in a triangular
> shape in a way that would annoy even people. I'll just drag it away from the
> vegetable garden when I need to access it, or mow around it. We'll see.....
>
>


A tent of 1" chicken wire is easier and works pretty good. Just bend it
into a little hoop or quonset hut cover for the row (make sure the close
the ends)

Bob

Doug Kanter wrote:
> That's her choice. But don't pretend that animals don't destroy things that
> have great value to other people, like food, or the products of one's daily
> work (crops).

Why do you think I am "pretending" anything of the sort? If she really
cared about her garden, she'd take measures to keep rabbits and other
wildlife out in the first place...

Furthermore, people who punish animals for merely being animals are
assholes.

-L.

"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...

>>That rabbit will make a dandy stew! <evil
>> grin>
>
> That's noting to be proud of and nothing to joke about. You're just
> making yourself look more like an asshole.

My supermarket's got rabbits in the frozen meat case next to turkeys. Is
someone an asshole if they buy rabbit in the supermarket? What about a
hunter who drops a deer with one perfect shot?




>>BTW, wild rabbits are caught and ate here all the time as are
>> musk rats, deer, moose, ducks and squirrels.
>
> Because God knows we don't exploit enough animals for food as it is...

My cat likes chicken. Is she exploiting chickens? I'm curious about your use
of the word "exploit".



>> I'm very pragmatic. My garden feeds us for most of the year. Rabbits
>> and gardens cannot co-exist.
>
> Sure they can. You protect the garden. Many people do it every year.

The only fence that'll work in my situation will cost around $4000.00. When
can you wire me the money?

"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> That's her choice. But don't pretend that animals don't destroy things
>> that
>> have great value to other people, like food, or the products of one's
>> daily
>> work (crops).
>
> Why do you think I am "pretending" anything of the sort? If she really
> cared about her garden, she'd take measures to keep rabbits and other
> wildlife out in the first place...
>
> Furthermore, people who punish animals for merely being animals are
> assholes.
>
> -L.
>

Animals "punish" other animals for just doing what they do. If my cat
executes a squirrel, is my cat an asshole?

> (Glitter Ninja) wrote:
>
>> I have to agree. It's not the rabbit's fault some stupid human let
>> him go. He got bred for a pet and wasn't treated responsibly, and it
>> would be sad to kill and eat him because of it.
>


It would be more sad to kill him and not eat him.

Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> "limey" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Doug Kanter" wrote
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote >
>>> patches wrote:
>>> I'm tempted to turn the little
>>>>>> bugger into rabbit stew! Any good recipes?
>>>>> Aw, but they're so cute!
>>>> So are deer, except that some of them also need to die before my garden
>>>> gets going this season.
>>> We're overrun with deer. We can't build a fence because of community
>>> association restrictive covenants, yet last year they stripped the
>>> tomato vines, the cucumbers, the hydrangeas, the peonies, my oriental
>>> lilies as they were two or three inches high and any other green thing
>>> they could get their teeth into. Naturally, they maraud in the middle
>>> of the night so we don't see them (just their tracks). Very
>>> disheartening.
>>>
>>> Dora
>>>
>>
>> I may have a solution. I understand they don't like having their feet
>> interfered with. I have a lot of 6' fence wire. I'm thinking of laying it
>> on the ground, but bending every other row of squares upward in a
>> triangular shape in a way that would annoy even people. I'll just drag it
>> away from the vegetable garden when I need to access it, or mow around
>> it. We'll see.....
>
>
> A tent of 1" chicken wire is easier and works pretty good. Just bend it
> into a little hoop or quonset hut cover for the row (make sure the close
> the ends)
>
> Bob

I do that for the short stuff, but for the tomato towers & bean poles, I
really need to force the deer to keep their distance.

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
...
> "Doug Kanter" > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>> I'd feed it to my cat, to help her develop a taste for fresh dog. Her
>> mouth already waters when she sees the school bus go by - she's ready
>> to big game.
>
> Okay, this was too frigging funny. How big is the cat? Not that it makes
> much difference. He/she could probably drag several times it's own weight
> around.
>
> Michael

She's about 7 lbs, at 10 months old. Back in October, when she weighed
4-ish, she terminated a squirrel that was twice her size (in length, at
least). It probably wasn't as heavy. But, it was still pretty funny to see
this little cat tossing a big squirrel up in the air like a hacky sack or
whatever kids call those things.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>
>> And before you ask, no I don't shoot anything.
>
>
> Ya' could have fooled me Seriously, take the bunny to a shelter. You
> will be much happier.


See Michael, I was born with a crooked eye. Anything standing still
would never be hit but I could easily take out any unsuspecting moving
critter or person as well as windows or cars. So a gun is not really a
good idea Besides I detest guns anyways. Just ask DH about my
crooked eye. That's why I don't do sports and if I ever get ticked off
enough to toss something at him, he's safe as long as he doesn't move.
We have this huge pill made of some type of foam. DH and I throw it at
each other indoors in a form of skunk. DH always wins. My aim is horrible.

>
> Michael <- loses lillies every year to bunnies, bitches about it, but lets
> them live in peace
>

Lillies aren't food.

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
...
> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>>
>> Well it would solve the problem of the dog running loose, wouldn't it?
>
> It's not the dog's problem but the owners.
>
>
>> I wonder if you would have to marinate it? Perhaps seeing their dog
>> rotating on your bbq spit would send a very clear message to the
>> neighbour without you having to say a word or even eat the dog
>
> Give me an ignorant, pet owning neighbor rotating on the BBQ spit would
> make me happier

How would you cook it?

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Mon 20 Mar 2006 07:50:34a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ~patches~?
>
>
>>-L. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>~patches~ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In your country, not mine
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know anyone who would argue that killing a healthy former-pet
>>>is more humane than allowing it to live. That must be one ****ed up
>>>country you live in.
>>>
>>>-L.
>>>
>>
>>Yep, lets paint the whole country with the same paint brush I said
>>it appeared to be a pet, no way of knowing for sure. I also have no
>>idea whether it is healthy or not. Just because you don't eat meat,
>>doesn't mean other don't. That rabbit will make a dandy stew! <evil
>>grin> BTW, wild rabbits are caught and ate here all the time as are
>>musk rats, deer, moose, ducks and squirrels. If you think no one in the
>>US eats this kind of stuff, you are sadly in need of an education. I
>>hear tell you even had one criminal who ate humans Oh yes, as well we
>>have a bounty on foxes. Its shoot to kill and you get a reward for
>>doing that. I'm pretty sure that is the same as some places in the US.
>>
>>I'm very pragmatic. My garden feeds us for most of the year. Rabbits
>>and gardens cannot co-exist. Humans are more important than animals so
>>the rabbit goes.
>>
>
>
> So why isn't it gone by now instead of discussing it ad infinitum?
>

Because Wayne, I am replying to another poster. Some think is inhumane
to eat the rabbit and others agree with me. It is about cooking
especially once I catch the little bugger. One thing I've noticed is
rabbit is generally stewed or roasted. BBQ doesn't seem to be very
popular. Besides right now we are just having a friendly converstation
of differing opinions. It isn't gone because we have been trying other
methods of scaring it off. OTOH, I'm a tad bored so am posting on this
and the food snob thread.

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
...
> "Doug Kanter" > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
>>> posted :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well it would solve the problem of the dog running loose, wouldn't it?
>>>
>>> It's not the dog's problem but the owners.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wonder if you would have to marinate it? Perhaps seeing their dog
>>>> rotating on your bbq spit would send a very clear message to the
>>>> neighbour without you having to say a word or even eat the dog
>>>
>>> Give me an ignorant, pet owning neighbor rotating on the BBQ spit would
>>> make me happier
>>
>> How would you cook it?
>
> I'd brine it first and then do it with a dry rub.
>
> Michael

OK...I can envision that.

-L. wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>>Yep, lets paint the whole country with the same paint brush
>
>
> You are the one who said that things aren't done the same way there as
> they are here.
>
>
>>I said
>>it appeared to be a pet, no way of knowing for sure. I also have no
>>idea whether it is healthy or not. Just because you don't eat meat,
>>doesn't mean other don't.
>
>
> I do eat meat. I eat meat that is raised as meat and is humanely bred,
> grown and killed. What I don't eat are wild animals or those that were
> former pets, that through the choices of some asshole human, find
> themselves fending for themselves. Animals that are dumped have to
> revert to the wild status to survive which is an extremely difficult
> and stressful process. Most succumb to predation or are killed in the
> streets.

Woa! Have you ever read Fast Food Nation? A lot of meat is not
humanely raised or grown nor is it humanely killed. We live in farm
country so I can attest that livestock farmers while concerned about
their animals are only concerned for the market value. Have you ever
been to a slaughter house? Have you ever seen farm wives kill a chicken
by chopping it's neck off? Have you ever seen the poultry or other
livestock trucks transporting livestock to the slaughter houses? Don't
sit there and tell me anything about livestock slaugher is humane. Many
of the large scale fishing boats allow fish to suffocate. Fishermen
such as us knock the fish over the head to kill it instantly but I'm
pretty sure that hook in its mouth didn't feel all that great and really
wasn't too humane. If you were that concerned you would not eat meat at
all. You need to educate yourself before you start judging me.

>
>
>
>>That rabbit will make a dandy stew! <evil
>>grin>
>
>
> That's noting to be proud of and nothing to joke about. You're just
> making yourself look more like an asshole.

I'm not an asshole but you are free to think as you choose.
>
>
>
>>BTW, wild rabbits are caught and ate here all the time as are
>>musk rats, deer, moose, ducks and squirrels.
>
>
> Because God knows we don't exploit enough animals for food as it is...

How the **** do you think the US was established? You just said you ate
meat so you are being very hypocritcal. They don't bring those animals
into the slaughter house and sing them lullibyes! Maybe you should
check out how exactly whatever meat you eat is killed. I think you are
in for one rude awakening.


>
>
>>If you think no one in the
>>US eats this kind of stuff, you are sadly in need of an education.
>
>
> Yes, there are assholes here too.
>
>
>>I
>>hear tell you even had one criminal who ate humans
>
>
> He wasn't just a "criminal" he was menatally ill. Your lack of
> compassion is appalling.

Really? I've been on the compassionate side of the mentally ill and
those living in poverty on another thread. Perhaps you missed those
posts? The comment FTR was made as a sacastic reply to your holier than
thou reply.
>
>
>>Oh yes, as well we
>>have a bounty on foxes. Its shoot to kill and you get a reward for
>>doing that. I'm pretty sure that is the same as some places in the US.
>
>
> That's even worse. Kill a beautiful wild animal merely for living in
> its own habitat. It makes me ashamed to be in the same species with
> humans who do so.
>

You're free to leave the species. IMO you are being deliberately
obtuse. Do you know any of the reasons behind the fox bounty? In your
country or ours? Why don't you do a little research on the topic and
get back to me.
>
>
>>I'm very pragmatic. My garden feeds us for most of the year. Rabbits
>>and gardens cannot co-exist.
>
>
> Sure they can. You protect the garden. Many people do it every year.
>
>
>> Humans are more important than animals
>
>
> Therein lies your real problem. You're a real piece of work.

And you are very judgemental without fully knowing the facts then you
come across as holier than thou because somehow you eat meat humanely
killed. Give me a break!
>
>
>>so
>>the rabbit goes.
>
>
> Karma's a bitch. It must suck to be you.

Actually it doesn't suck to be me. I have a great family, wonderful
friends, lovely house, nice lifestyle AND guess what, I eat meat. I'm
just not stupid enough to think that meat was humanely killed.

>
> -L.
>

zxcvbob wrote:

> limey wrote:
>
>> "Doug Kanter" wrote
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote >
>>
>> patches wrote:
>> I'm tempted to turn the little
>>
>>>>> bugger into rabbit stew! Any good recipes?
>>>>
>>>> Aw, but they're so cute!
>>>
>>> So are deer, except that some of them also need to die before my
>>> garden gets going this season.
>>
>>
>> We're overrun with deer. We can't build a fence because of community
>> association restrictive covenants, yet last year they stripped the
>> tomato vines, the cucumbers, the hydrangeas, the peonies, my oriental
>> lilies as they were two or three inches high and any other green thing
>> they could get their teeth into. Naturally, they maraud in the middle
>> of the night so we don't see them (just their tracks). Very
>> disheartening.
>>
>> Dora
>
>
>
> Get a motion activated sprinkler. Nothing likes to get hit with a
> stream of cold water. Except maybe a duck. If your garden is being
> eaten by marauding ducks, you are screwed.
>
> I used a motion activated sprinkler to keep the birds (not ducks) from
> pulling up my seedlings last year and it worked great. HTH :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Bob

I'll second the motion activated sprinkler. One brand is calle *the
Scarecrow*. I think it is very effective. It only sprays about a cup
of water but it also combines a funky noise that helps to scare off the
critter. I found it more effective to move the sprinkler around to
different spots so animals don't get accustomed to where it is. My
problem right now is the temps are still dipping below freezing so I
can't put the hose out.

My gardens haven't been hit by ducks even though we are in duck country.
Duck hunting is a big thing here. So how would one rid their garden
of ducks? I know Canada geese can be a real problem but they haven't
bothered the gardens either.

-L. wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>That's her choice. But don't pretend that animals don't destroy things that
>>have great value to other people, like food, or the products of one's daily
>>work (crops).
>
>
> Why do you think I am "pretending" anything of the sort? If she really
> cared about her garden, she'd take measures to keep rabbits and other
> wildlife out in the first place...
>
> Furthermore, people who punish animals for merely being animals are
> assholes.
>
> -L.
>

You are pretending and don't think otherwise. You think you are eating
meat that was humanely killed. You pass judgement against the fox
bounties without even knowing why they are in place. You tell me you
would leave a wild animal alone even at the risk of your kid. Lady, you
are either pretending or just as dumb as this rabbit. It has been given
ample opportunity to move on but just like you it keeps coming back.
That means it is too dumb to learn its lesson. I'm not going to
sacrifice all my hard work and food for a rabbit. I think you will find
a lot more agree with me than you whether you think I'm an asshole or not.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>
>>Well it would solve the problem of the dog running loose, wouldn't it?
>
>
> It's not the dog's problem but the owners.
>
>
>
>>I wonder if you would have to marinate it? Perhaps seeing their dog
>>rotating on your bbq spit would send a very clear message to the
>>neighbour without you having to say a word or even eat the dog
>
>
> Give me an ignorant, pet owning neighbor rotating on the BBQ spit would
> make me happier

Too true and really I don't hold it against the dog. We have a very,
very rigid leash law hear. People are fined $200 first offense if their
dog is not on a leash and $500 if they don't clean up after it. They
are very serious about enforcing both too. I'm thinking though that -L
would have a problem with the neighbour on the spit but maybe not if we
humanely kill it <wink>
>
> Michael
>
>

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
>
>> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
>> posted :
>>>Well it would solve the problem of the dog running loose, wouldn't it?
>>
>>
>> It's not the dog's problem but the owners.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I wonder if you would have to marinate it? Perhaps seeing their dog
>>>rotating on your bbq spit would send a very clear message to the
>>>neighbour without you having to say a word or even eat the dog
>>
>>
>> Give me an ignorant, pet owning neighbor rotating on the BBQ spit would
>> make me happier
>
> Too true and really I don't hold it against the dog. We have a very, very
> rigid leash law hear. People are fined $200 first offense if their dog is
> not on a leash and $500 if they don't clean up after it. They are very
> serious about enforcing both too. I'm thinking though that -L would have
> a problem with the neighbour on the spit but maybe not if we humanely kill
> it <wink>

Our dog catcher is useless. I'll be going to our town board meeting to deal
with next week.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> "Doug Kanter" > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>
>>I'd feed it to my cat, to help her develop a taste for fresh dog. Her
>>mouth already waters when she sees the school bus go by - she's ready
>>to big game.
>
>
> Okay, this was too frigging funny. How big is the cat? Not that it makes
> much difference. He/she could probably drag several times it's own weight
> around.
>
> Michael
>

For shit sake, could you guys put some kind of warning on these posts?
I burst out laughing, darn near PMP, and spurted my drink all over my
desk. You are training your cat to go after dogs? LOL! We used to
have a tom cat. He would honestly take on dogs no problem and the dogs
knew he would. A grand cat we miss dearly.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>
>>The question would be whether the dog was fed on that fancy store
>>bought food stuff or was free range
>
>
> Free Range pooch. Well, what should be charged per pound?
>
> Michael
>
>
>

Michael, now come on we are really going to get -L's goat. Well maybe
if the goat is humanely killed but if I had a goat I would put it to
work on lawn maintenance. I betcha in some locals free range pooch
would bring a good price. Certainly much more than that fed on that
fancy dried stuff.

-L. wrote:
> ~patches~ wrote:
> > Humans are more important than animals
>
> Therein lies your real problem. You're a real piece of work.
>
Uh huh, this is the underlying difference of opinion. The three
Abrahamic monotheisms all say basically that the world, its plants and
animals were created for mankind to use. That idea pervades the
culture, and is reinforced for non-believers by the common perception
that we human beings have a huge amount of control over our
environment. If you want to argue persuasively that we're all guilty
of "species-ism" you have a lot of work to do. What is the source of
the obligation you feel we have to other species? Buddhists apparently
believe (I'm pretty ignorant about this) that all forms of life are
equally deserving. Why? Presumably there is some more sophisticated
reason than that you might be reincarnated as a nematode, but what is
it? -aem

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>
>>Lillies aren't food.
>
>
> But costly just the same. Do you basically just survive on your garden?
> I'm not being critical, I'm just asking. About the only food I can get to
> grow in mine are chiles (which I love) in one really sunny area. We have
> too much shade.
>
> Michael
>

No, and sorry to make it sound like that. My garden is big but not as
big as I would like. It does supply all of our produce during the
growing/harvest season. It is organic as well. So if you look at what
it produces, a very large chunk of our food comes from that garden. For
example, I did up 22 jars of green beans in addition to eating them
fresh while available. By the time we run out of green beans, the new
harvest will be ready. A rabbit can destroy this in one or two nights.
Last year I had 31 tomato plants and several lettuce patches all that
a rabbit can destroy in a very short period of time. Tomatoes aside of
the heritage ones aren't as much of a problem as I have access to all
the free tomatoes I want but they are canning tomatoes. I'm close to
U-picks so rely heavily on those until my fruit trees/plants produce
well. My strawberry plants produced enough to make 18 jars of jams and
fresh eating. I'm working on getting the garden to produce more. We're
putting in a variety of grapes this year.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> "Doug Kanter" > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
>
>>"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
>>>posted :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well it would solve the problem of the dog running loose, wouldn't it?
>>>
>>>It's not the dog's problem but the owners.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I wonder if you would have to marinate it? Perhaps seeing their dog
>>>>rotating on your bbq spit would send a very clear message to the
>>>>neighbour without you having to say a word or even eat the dog
>>>
>>>Give me an ignorant, pet owning neighbor rotating on the BBQ spit would
>>>make me happier
>>
>>How would you cook it?
>
>
> I'd brine it first and then do it with a dry rub.
>
> Michael
>

But some neighbours have really tough hides. Maybe pressure cooking
would be better?

zxcvbob wrote:

>
> A tent of 1" chicken wire is easier and works pretty good. Just bend it
> into a little hoop or quonset hut cover for the row (make sure the close
> the ends)

That might work on a retarded cat. Any wild animal used to foraging for food would
be under that wire in the blink of an eye.

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
> > That's noting to be proud of and nothing to joke about. You're just
> > making yourself look more like an asshole.
>
> My supermarket's got rabbits in the frozen meat case next to turkeys. Is
> someone an asshole if they buy rabbit in the supermarket? What about a
> hunter who drops a deer with one perfect shot?

A lot of people have the amazing ability to abstain from guilt by paying someone
to do the dirty work. You can kill a rabbit, gut and clean it and make rabbit
stew and you are an asshole. If a rabbit is slaughtered and dressing in an
abattoir and purchased from the speciality butcher and you go home and turn it
into Hassenpfeffer you are a gourmet cook.

Go figger.


>
>
> >>BTW, wild rabbits are caught and ate here all the time as are
> >> musk rats, deer, moose, ducks and squirrels.
> >
> > Because God knows we don't exploit enough animals for food as it is...
>
> My cat likes chicken. Is she exploiting chickens? I'm curious about your use
> of the word "exploit".
>
> >> I'm very pragmatic. My garden feeds us for most of the year. Rabbits
> >> and gardens cannot co-exist.
> >
> > Sure they can. You protect the garden. Many people do it every year.
>
> The only fence that'll work in my situation will cost around $4000.00. When
> can you wire me the money?

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
> Animals "punish" other animals for just doing what they do. If my cat
> executes a squirrel, is my cat an asshole?

All cats are all assholes . :-)

On Mon 20 Mar 2006 10:31:23a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ~patches~?

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Mon 20 Mar 2006 07:50:34a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>> ~patches~?
>>
>>
>>>-L. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>~patches~ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In your country, not mine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't know anyone who would argue that killing a healthy former-pet
>>>>is more humane than allowing it to live. That must be one ****ed up
>>>>country you live in.
>>>>
>>>>-L.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yep, lets paint the whole country with the same paint brush I said
>>>it appeared to be a pet, no way of knowing for sure. I also have no
>>>idea whether it is healthy or not. Just because you don't eat meat,
>>>doesn't mean other don't. That rabbit will make a dandy stew! <evil
>>>grin>
>>> BTW, wild rabbits are caught and ate here all the time as are musk
>>> rats,
>>>deer, moose, ducks and squirrels. If you think no one in the US eats
>>>this kind of stuff, you are sadly in need of an education. I hear tell
>>>you even had one criminal who ate humans Oh yes, as well we have a
>>>bounty on foxes. Its shoot to kill and you get a reward for doing
>>>that. I'm pretty sure that is the same as some places in the US.
>>>
>>>I'm very pragmatic. My garden feeds us for most of the year. Rabbits
>>>and gardens cannot co-exist. Humans are more important than animals so
>>>the rabbit goes.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So why isn't it gone by now instead of discussing it ad infinitum?
>>
>
> Because Wayne, I am replying to another poster. Some think is inhumane
> to eat the rabbit and others agree with me. It is about cooking
> especially once I catch the little bugger. One thing I've noticed is
> rabbit is generally stewed or roasted. BBQ doesn't seem to be very
> popular. Besides right now we are just having a friendly converstation
> of differing opinions. It isn't gone because we have been trying other
> methods of scaring it off. OTOH, I'm a tad bored so am posting on this
> and the food snob thread.

I wouldn't have the heart to either kill it or eat it, but that's just me.
If the garden were that important to me, I would try to take other
measures as some have suggested.

I have eaten domestic rabbit and enjoyed it, but that was years ago. I'm
not sure I could even do that now.

Wild rabbit doesn't lend itself to BBQ because it's much to dry and tough,
but works well with braising or stewing. I'm not sure it would even be
good roasted. Domestic rabbit can be BBQ'd successfully.

--
Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
________________________________________

Okay, okay, I take it back! UnScrew you!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>>
>> A tent of 1" chicken wire is easier and works pretty good. Just bend it
>> into a little hoop or quonset hut cover for the row (make sure the close
>> the ends)
>
> That might work on a retarded cat. Any wild animal used to foraging for
> food would
> be under that wire in the blink of an eye.
>
>

Actually, it works beautifully. But, I use heavy fence wire, and cut it so
there are prongs that extend about 6" underground. I make the tops flat and
weigh it down with bricks. Nothing's dug under it, and it's easy for me to
remove for harvesting or weeding.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>
>> Animals "punish" other animals for just doing what they do. If my cat
>> executes a squirrel, is my cat an asshole?
>
> All cats are all assholes . :-)

Nah...you'd like this one. She's like the perfect playful dog, but with a
brain instead of a wind tunnel above the neck. I'm trying to find a very
realistic looking toy shit-dog (as my son calls poodles & other small dogs).
We're gonna rub the toy dog down with fresh catnip every day. Hopefully,
when it's warm enough for kitty to spend lots of time outdoors, she'll
notice that a number of real shit-dogs pass by each day, and BAM! Heh. :-)

Dave Smith wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>> A tent of 1" chicken wire is easier and works pretty good. Just bend it
>> into a little hoop or quonset hut cover for the row (make sure the close
>> the ends)
>
> That might work on a retarded cat. Any wild animal used to foraging for food would
> be under that wire in the blink of an eye.
>
>


It has worked for me; the animals go next door where the they don't have
to dig. (actually, I don't know what was causing the problem, it might
have been birds.) Now I always cover my green beans with a chicken wire
cage and take it off when the plants start growing thru it -- by then
they are not so succulent and the animals don't bother them so much.

I use the previously mentioned Scarecrow sprinkler to protect the little
squash and cucumber seedlings.

Bob

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
> >> Animals "punish" other animals for just doing what they do. If my cat
> >> executes a squirrel, is my cat an asshole?
> >
> > All cats are all assholes . :-)
>
> Nah...you'd like this one.

I like barn cats. I just don't consider them as pets. I realize they have some
brains. I prefer that patronizing idiocy that makes dogs what they are.

> She's like the perfect playful dog, but with a
> brain instead of a wind tunnel above the neck. I'm trying to find a very
> realistic looking toy shit-dog (as my son calls poodles & other small dogs).

I call them foofoos.
They are not dogs until they weigh more than 70 lb. Then they are called small
dogs.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>
>> >> Animals "punish" other animals for just doing what they do. If my cat
>> >> executes a squirrel, is my cat an asshole?
>> >
>> > All cats are all assholes . :-)
>>
>> Nah...you'd like this one.
>
> I like barn cats. I just don't consider them as pets. I realize they have
> some
> brains. I prefer that patronizing idiocy that makes dogs what they are.

Patronizing idiocy! I love it! Is it safe to assume you voted for Bush?

Doug Kanter wrote:

>
> > I like barn cats. I just don't consider them as pets. I realize they have
> > some
> > brains. I prefer that patronizing idiocy that makes dogs what they are.
>
> Patronizing idiocy! I love it! Is it safe to assume you voted for Bush?

LOL I don't live in the right country to vote against that dullard.
I like patronizing idiots for pets, not to run the country.

~patches~ wrote:
> Woa! Have you ever read Fast Food Nation?

Um, yes. I have also read Diet for a New America, as well as
Slaughterhouse and I have stood on the killing floor at a
slaughterhouse in Colorado. What is your point?

> A lot of meat is not
> humanely raised or grown nor is it humanely killed.

The meat I eat is.

> We live in farm
> country so I can attest that livestock farmers while concerned about
> their animals are only concerned for the market value. Have you ever
> been to a slaughter house? Have you ever seen farm wives kill a chicken
> by chopping it's neck off? Have you ever seen the poultry or other
> livestock trucks transporting livestock to the slaughter houses? Don't
> sit there and tell me anything about livestock slaugher is humane.

You are talking about factory farming. Not all meat comes from factory
farms - a fact which seems to escape your pea brain.

> Many
> of the large scale fishing boats allow fish to suffocate.

I don't eat fish. I used to, but an incident on a tuna boat cured me.


> Fishermen
> such as us knock the fish over the head to kill it instantly but I'm
> pretty sure that hook in its mouth didn't feel all that great and really
> wasn't too humane. If you were that concerned you would not eat meat at
> all. You need to educate yourself before you start judging me.

I'll judge you all I want, you ignorant bitch. I get my meat from an
organic farmer who raises and kills the poultry himself - humanely.
That's the only meat I personally eat. I also buy his eggs and his
dairy.

But go ahead and whack that innocent former-pet rabbit - I am sure it
will make you feel all so more superior.

-L.

"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...


> I'll judge you all I want, you ignorant bitch. I get my meat from an
> organic farmer who raises and kills the poultry himself - humanely.
> That's the only meat I personally eat. I also buy his eggs and his
> dairy.

Exactly how does he kill the animals humanely?

~patches~ wrote:
> You are pretending and don't think otherwise. You think you are eating
> meat that was humanely killed.

I know I am. What is your point?

>You pass judgement against the fox
> bounties without even knowing why they are in place.

I am sure they are in place because some asshole chicken farmer or
other human is suffering "economic loss". People invade natural
habitats, and then think it is their "right" to eradicate all of the
native species. They're wrong. It's an idea that, at its root, is
based in the Christian principle of "dominion over animals", which is a
completely ****ed up idea.

> You tell me you
> would leave a wild animal alone even at the risk of your kid.

I said the chicken - we were talking specifically about a chicken -
could be scared away.


>Lady, you
> are either pretending or just as dumb as this rabbit. It has been given
> ample opportunity to move on but just like you it keeps coming back.
> That means it is too dumb to learn its lesson.

What "lesson" do you expect the rabbit to learn? It is you who are
"dumb" if you actually think you can shoo away a tame rabbit. You're
an idiot.

> I'm not going to
> sacrifice all my hard work and food for a rabbit.

Then trap the rabbit and take it to the humane society or put up a
****ing fence. It's not neuroscience. In the days you have been
bitching about this rabbit on the internet, I would have had it trapped
and rehomed by now.

> I think you will find
> a lot more agree with me than you whether you think I'm an asshole or not.

I don't give a shit if they agree or not. AFAIC, they're assholes,
too.

-L.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>
>> > I like barn cats. I just don't consider them as pets. I realize they
>> > have
>> > some
>> > brains. I prefer that patronizing idiocy that makes dogs what they are.
>>
>> Patronizing idiocy! I love it! Is it safe to assume you voted for Bush?
>
> LOL I don't live in the right country to vote against that dullard.
> I like patronizing idiots for pets, not to run the country.
>
>
>

I've got a reminder set to start beeping me when he's about to leave office.
I'm gonna see if his daddy will let me have him as a door stop or a planter.

-L. wrote:

> ~patches~ wrote:
>
>>Woa! Have you ever read Fast Food Nation?
>
>
> Um, yes. I have also read Diet for a New America, as well as
> Slaughterhouse and I have stood on the killing floor at a
> slaughterhouse in Colorado. What is your point?
>
>
>>A lot of meat is not
>>humanely raised or grown nor is it humanely killed.
>
>
> The meat I eat is.
>
>
>>We live in farm
>>country so I can attest that livestock farmers while concerned about
>>their animals are only concerned for the market value. Have you ever
>>been to a slaughter house? Have you ever seen farm wives kill a chicken
>>by chopping it's neck off? Have you ever seen the poultry or other
>>livestock trucks transporting livestock to the slaughter houses? Don't
>>sit there and tell me anything about livestock slaugher is humane.
>
>
> You are talking about factory farming. Not all meat comes from factory
> farms - a fact which seems to escape your pea brain.
>

Excuse me, I am not talking about factory farms. We buy our meat
directly from the farmer so I do know what I'm talking about. Have you
ever seen any animal slaughtere?
>
>>Many
>>of the large scale fishing boats allow fish to suffocate.
>
>
> I don't eat fish. I used to, but an incident on a tuna boat cured me.
>
>
>
>> Fishermen
>>such as us knock the fish over the head to kill it instantly but I'm
>>pretty sure that hook in its mouth didn't feel all that great and really
>>wasn't too humane. If you were that concerned you would not eat meat at
>>all. You need to educate yourself before you start judging me.
>
>
> I'll judge you all I want, you ignorant bitch. I get my meat from an
> organic farmer who raises and kills the poultry himself - humanely.
> That's the only meat I personally eat. I also buy his eggs and his
> dairy.

Well that's nice and totally explains your position. Hopefully you
don't use that potty mouth around your son! Someone doesn't agree with
you so you resort to name calling? Very mature! BTW, how does the
organic farmer kill the poultry? I buy from the farmer beef, pork,
chickens and eggs. All but the eggs must be killed and if you haven't
seen it done, it really isn't all the pretty. I've been there when the
animals were killed so I know what I'm talking about. These are large
farm factories either.

>
> But go ahead and whack that innocent former-pet rabbit - I am sure it
> will make you feel all so more superior.

What I think here is you are being very judgemental regarding something
you know nothing of and trying to puff yourself up as superior because
somehow you eat humanely killed meat when you know nothing of the
killing conditions. Would like like a rabbit foot for good luck?
>
> -L.
>