In article <XhYSf.127856$4l5.24528@dukeread05>,
Roberta > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article <GlTSf.127813$4l5.20056@dukeread05>,
> > Roberta > wrote:
> >
> >> do buy some processed food...not a whole lot but some (ego waffles,
> >
> > Are they oversized? How do you get them to fit in the toaster? "-)

> The house we are renting has this cool little toaster oven "hanging"
> from the cabinets - I use that

One of two things happened he !) you didn't get my joke and 2) you
did and didn't think it was funny and ignored it. IBeCrushed. "-)
>

> >> Sorry - got off on my own rant there
> >
> > It's okay. It helps us feel superior. "-)

> I love to help in my own way!

That's important! :-)

> >> Roberta (in VA)


--
-Barb
<www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-17-2006, The $400K Condo in the
'Hood
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

In article .com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> > Altho', I've been suffering a bit lately from tendonitis in my feet
> > because it's been so busy at work, I've been spending more time on my
> > feet there. But it's still not burning enough calories.
> >
> > Genetics (fat parents/relatives), Hypothyroidism and insulin resistance
> > are all against me. My Dr. is trying to convince me to try gastric
> > bypass surgery like she had. <sigh>
> >
> > I'm too scared to try that.
> >
> > Yeah, I lost 50 lbs. last year then stalled out, gave up, and have
> > gained back 20 frickin' lbs. :-(
> >
> > Gotta move more..........
>
> You need to get laid... just 'cause the energizer bunny is sweating
> that won't do anything more for your heart rate than clicking the tv
> remote. hehe
>
> Sheldon
>

You volunteering? ;-)
We could always go thru the entire book of Kama Sutra together......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > Sweet Jesus! Siobbhan!! May I sit by you? It would be a pleasure to
> > sit at your feet, Lady. Well said!! I salute you.
> > --
> > -Barb
>
> Ooh, and you got on ME for being bitchy earlier this week...... ;-)
>
> Cheers dear!

Huh? I admired every word she wrote! I hope Siobbhan understood that
if you didn't.
--
-Barb
<www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-17-2006, The $400K Condo in the
'Hood
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:47:23 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote:
>
> >Sweet Jesus! Siobbhan!! May I sit by you? It would be a pleasure to
> >sit at your feet, Lady. Well said!! I salute you.
> >--
>
> Can I sit by you guys too? I commend what Siobban said too.
>
> Christine

You bet.
--
-Barb
<www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-17-2006, The $400K Condo in the
'Hood
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> > <lol> That's the best (simplest) reply I've seen yet. ;-)
>> >
>> > And I agree.......
>> > --
>> > Peace, Om.
>>
>> You want me so bad, you're clawing the walls of your house. I just know
>> it.
>
> Nah. "BOB" (Battery operated boyfriend) usually takes care of my needs.
> <g>
>
> Then again........

BOB can't fix the doorbell or change a light switch to a dimmer, now can he?

kilikini wrote:
> "Henhouse" > wrote in message
> ...
> > A friend of mine accused me of being a food snob the other day. Why?
> > Because I don't buy processed food, and never go to fast food eateries.
> > I also always buy free range chicken and use either eggs from our own
> > free range chooks, or bought duck eggs. I also buy organic foods from
> > time to time, and try to buy seasonally and locally (being aware of food
> > miles etc.) Does this really make me a food snob? I feel quite insulted,
> > to tell you the truth - I don't dictate what others should eat, I just
> > make the choices I prefer. I enjoy cooking and have the time to spend
> > doing it, plus access to great local produce - I'm not sure why this
> > could be seen as wrong in some way!
> >
> > My friend got quite heated about it all, and told me that if I'd got
> > four kids and was working full time, I'd soon change my ways and opt for
> > foods I could just stick in the microwave (not that she has the four
> > kids etc., just the one 25yr old son). I'm not likely to ever find
> > myself in that position, but I imagine that if I had children I'd be
> > even more concerned about the foods they were eating than I am about my
> > own. I could be wrong, of course!

I love making freshly prepared meals for my wife and 4 YO.
> >
> > This is the same friend who is happy to come to dinner at my house, but
> > who refuses to return the favour, as she is 'frightened' of cooking for
> > me, as I am (allegedly) good at it - LOL! I'd be happy with beans on
> > toast, if someone else had cooked it - but that's by the by.
> >
> > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else here has suffered a similar
> > accusation, and had any good arguments with which to refute it? Or
> > perhaps you think my friend is right and I'm just too precious about the
> > whole topic? Opinions welcomed!

I have. Philistines insult artists. It is the way of the world.
> >
> > Jo
>
> I have a friend like that, too, and she's always inviting me to come over
> for lunch. What does she have on hand on a regular basis? Frozen burritos,
> Kraft mac 'n cheese, packaged ramen noodles, pizza rolls, frozen jalepeno
> poppers, frozen breaded chicken tenders - stuff like that. That's what she
> feeds her family. I politely decline, but then I feel compelled to offer
> her something from *my* fridge, which she always accepts because she knows
> what I prepare is made with fresh ingredients and it still tastes good!
>
> I keep shaking my head at my friend because she complains about her weight
> and her daughters' weight (her 15 year old daughter is over 300 pounds!, her
> 12 year old is about 170) and I just want to shake her! I keep trying to
> tell her that it's the kind of food she's buying that's causing the weight
> gain, she nods and says "she knows", but she claims that this is all her
> kids will eat. Personally, I think she's killing her family. Sad thing is,
> all this junk "food" is supported by the government. Yep, you got it, Food
> Stamps. Someone should supervise what kinds of foods people should be
> allowed to buy on government assistance.

The govt. does restrict the products in the WIC program. I agree 100%
that food stamps should be similarly restricted.
http://www.vahealth.org/wic/foodlist.pdf
>
> kili

--Bryan

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" > wrote:
> >
> > The weight is an issue. If ya' eat junk you put on the pounds. I don't
> > know about the Food Stamps. Can people buy just anything with them?
> >
> > Michael
>
> Not sure, but food, I think. Comestibles. Not soap, Tampax,
> tobacco, laundry detergent, deodorant, or Band-Aids, or toilet paper.
> Edible goods.

About the only exclusions are sodapop and candy.

> --
> -Barb
> <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-17-2006, The $400K Condo in the
> 'Hood
> "If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

I second that!

--Bryan

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, Siobhan
> Perricone > wrote:
>
>
>> I wasn't going to respond to this thread because so many of you are
>> so judgemental about the poor, but I couldn't resist this
>> particular post as it was a prime example of one of the challenges
>> the poor face in this country.
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:31:01 GMT, Someone wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I keep trying to tell her that it's the kind of food she's buying
>>> that's causing the weight gain, she nods and says "she knows",
>>> but she claims that this is all her kids will eat. Personally, I
>>> think she's killing her family.
>>
>> She isn't killing her family, the indifference to fixing the
>> problems that create this situation of poverty is. It's more
>> likely that it's easier to tell you her kids won't eat good food
>> than it is to explain the real situation. The way you said this in
>> the post makes me wonder just how gently you're even saying this to
>> her, and if it doesn't just come across as something judgemental
>> that embarrasses her and makes her feel like a piece of crap
>> failure, instead of actually encouraging her in some way so she
>> might actually succeed.
>>
>>
>>> Sad thing is, all this junk "food" is supported by the
>>> government. Yep, you got it, Food Stamps. Someone should
>>> supervise what kinds of foods people should be allowed to buy on
>>> government assistance.
>>
>> It is *so* easy to judge people in this situation. Why don't you
>> take some time to find out how much in food stamps and other
>> government assistance she actually gets, then look at the prices
>> for fresh foods in your local supermarket and think about the size
>> of her family and how much it'd cost to feed them good, fresh foods
>> every day. Even at the portions you'd consider "sensible".
>>
>> While it is possible to eat better than you described on such a
>> small amount of money, it takes a lot of time, effort, and training
>> to do it. It is not intuitive, and it is not something that people
>> are taught how to do much any more. Also, it is only possible to
>> eat a little better, not a great deal better. So eating a little
>> better, with a whole lot more work, that it is unlikely anyone has
>> taken the time to show her how to do versus spending her time on
>> other things that may appear more productive to her in the long
>> run...
>>
>> An awful lot of the people I know who are on government assistance
>> don't have the time, kitchens, cooking implements, or skills to do
>> what would be needed to improve their diet. The cost of setting
>> themselves up with the necessary things to make a diet of beans and
>> rice palatable is likely higher than that they'd save over the
>> course of several months, which, when you're living check to check
>> and having to make choices about which bills to pay, isn't a very
>> good incentive.
>>
>> They manage to eat enough to survive so they can work their crap
>> jobs with no hope of advancement (or look constantly for work with
>> few skills and little hope of finding anything other than soul
>> crushing labour) so maybe their kids can have some better chance,
>> but aren't likely to because they'll be fat and thus have a much
>> harder time in school, in the office place, and out finding jobs.
>> All the while having to carry the stress caused by all of this so
>> they can die early and their kids can continue this cycle that we
>> as a society make it nearly impossible to break out of.
>>
>> Lots easier to just judge her as a fat slob sucking off the
>> government teat than to actually help her learn a better way. What
>> a great friend you are. Oh maybe you're nice to her face, but
>> you're here in public calling her a fat, lazy slob who is
>> *refusing* to feed her family well at the expense of the tax
>> payers.
>>
>> Goddess save me from "friends" like you.
>
>
> Sweet Jesus! Siobbhan!! May I sit by you? It would be a pleasure
> to sit at your feet, Lady. Well said!! I salute you.

In my cooking classes, I often give freebie "scholarships" to very
unskilled and untaught people like Siobhan is talking about. Out here in
the country, there's a lot of low-income living. I try to get folks who
have large extended families so they can go back home armed with new
information and maybe a few new pots and pans and utensils. Not a one of
those folks was underworked, and spare time was an unknown commodity.

It used to astonish me how little people living in the midst of farming
country know what to do with the fresh stuff. Then I got a trip around
the practical realities. Calories in processed food are cheaper and take
less time and effort than fresh food cooked at home from scratch.

I had my eyes opened at the food bank. People living at the edge not
many days away from disaster. The real-world choices available are a
great deal more limited than would seem to be the case at first glance.
It's all well and good to tell people to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps, but often the bootstraps aren't quite as visible to those in
the boots as they might be to spectators with the time and money to
contemplate such things.

Last Spring, I did a series of cooking demonstrations at a big Sysco
food show here. I brought about 150 pounds of pasta to a women's
shelter. Lots of #10 cans of other stuff, mostly vegetables; some
high-protein things. The woman at the door cried when she saw how much
stuff I brought. Desperate people trying to make their ways in
unfamiliar territory.

Making a living is never easy.

Pastorio

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

>
> Well, having said what I said -- we're having company tonight for
> dinner. But we're not entertaining. It's just Jo and Joe coming for
> pot roast. With carrots. And kasha varnishkes. And broccoli, maybe.
> And prize-winning pickles and imported olives from Zabar's. And Died
> and Went-to-Heaven Chocolate Cake. And homemade bread. And wine. And
> tortilla soup. And the good china. And the sterling.
>
> Cake just came out of the oven; bread dough is rising on the stove (over
> the oven vent) and the pot roast just went into the oven. Pretty soon
> I'll toast the kasha and get that underway and maybe set the table.

What a great dinner. I bet there will be no left overs. There will
be demands for seconds and thirds or there would be, if I were your
lucky guest.

Have fun and enjoy! M

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article >,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> >
> > > Sweet Jesus! Siobbhan!! May I sit by you? It would be a pleasure to
> > > sit at your feet, Lady. Well said!! I salute you.
> > > --
> > > -Barb
> >
> > Ooh, and you got on ME for being bitchy earlier this week...... ;-)
> >
> > Cheers dear!
>
> Huh? I admired every word she wrote! I hope Siobbhan understood that
> if you didn't.

Sorry, but I found her last two paragraphs to be overly-judgemental...

But that's just me. :-)

I learned to quit judging people a long time ago,

unless they are obviously deliberate trolls.

Hugs!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> > <lol> That's the best (simplest) reply I've seen yet. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > And I agree.......
> >> > --
> >> > Peace, Om.
> >>
> >> You want me so bad, you're clawing the walls of your house. I just know
> >> it.
> >
> > Nah. "BOB" (Battery operated boyfriend) usually takes care of my needs.
> > <g>
> >
> > Then again........
>
> BOB can't fix the doorbell or change a light switch to a dimmer, now can he?
>
>

Ooh, you trade sex for home repair???????? :-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> D.Currie wrote:
>
>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>D.Currie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>But while these folks seem to disapprove of the time I spend in the
>>>>kitchen (or the time they imagine I spend in the kitchen -- there are a
>>>>lot of fast-cooking dishes that I make that are fresh, tasty, and
>>>>healthy) when they come here for dinner, they eat like ravenous wolves.
>>>>I've seen them each eat 3-4 large helpings. And every time we're invited
>>>>over there, I'm asked to bring a dozen or so fresh buns. Or a loaf of
>>>>bread. Homemade, of course.
>>>
>>>What I don't get is why it is anyone else's business how you spend your
>>>time? If you want to spend your time cooking so be it. There's a lot
>>>worse things you could be doing.
>>>
>>
>>
>> These people do it as habit. Their conversations are often sprinkled with
>> "you should" and :"you shouldn't." I've come to a point where I can
>> ignore most of it. If you take issue with their shoulds and shouldn'ts,
>> they are very quick to say "we don't ever tell you what to do -- we
>> support whatever we do -- we're on your side -- we don't mean it that
>> way."
>>
>> It's not just food, it's a whole host of things that they have advice on.
>> Like when I broke a bone in my foot, it was all about how I should get a
>> bone density test and all sorts of other things I should look into. If
>> the doctor thought I needed father tests, that would be one thing, but he
>> seemed to think it was no big deal.
>>
>> If I have a headache, it's all about high blood pressure and medications
>> and whatnot. If I'm working on the weekend, it's about what I should be
>> doing for recreation.
>>
>> Maybe they just need something to worry and talk about.
>>
>> Every now and then I get an urge to tell them something outrageous to get
>> them off whatever nitpicky thing they're on and give them something huge
>> to waggle their tongues about. I'm considering maybe having conversations
>> with an invisible friend during out next dinner. That ought to give them
>> something to think about for a good long while.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Donna
>
> Donna, I'm sorry, I can't really help you with the other advice you are
> getting. If this is habitual behaviour with them then my stance would be
> to take it with a grain of salt and forget about it. A lot of us believe
> in good food and good nutrition but we tend to focus on our families not
> others. Those who want to impose their opinions on others and judge
> others by their standards will always be a pain in the butt. I just tune
> any of that kind of stuff out

I do ignore it 99 percent of the time, but now and then I just get a little
fed up with it. Most of the time I think it's funny. I mean, I'd rather cook
the way I do and eat the way we do than cook like her and eat like that. And
when it comes down to it, they seem to like my cooking a lot, it's just that
they think it's not worth my effort. But then sometimes it's just too much.
It's good to vent a little now and then.

zxcvbob wrote:
> Henhouse wrote:
> > A friend of mine accused me of being a food snob the other day...
>
> Someone started the "food snob" thread again. :-(
>
> We might as well crosspost this to the cardio group and flood them with
> our irritating rightousness for a while. Turn about is fair play.

There is no righteousness in worshipping food.

Truth is simple.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Out of curiosity, doctor, do you use a macro to create your multitude
of identical posts, or do you go the copy and paste route? I sure
hope you're not typing them out in their entirety, over and over and
over and over and over and over again Pure curiosity, not an attack.

I'll pray for you to my loving God.

Peace,
Rev. Carol M. Peterson



On 18 Mar 2006 14:41:52 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> wrote:

>zxcvbob wrote:
>> Henhouse wrote:
>> > A friend of mine accused me of being a food snob the other day...
>>
>> Someone started the "food snob" thread again. :-(
>>
>> We might as well crosspost this to the cardio group and flood them with
>> our irritating rightousness for a while. Turn about is fair play.
>
>There is no righteousness in worshipping food.
>
>Truth is simple.
>
>You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Jesus' most
>precious and holy name.
>
>May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.
>
>Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
>cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
>cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
>during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
>
>For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
>how the LORD has reshaped me:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's love,
>
>Andrew
>http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Lefty wrote:
>
>
> Anybody ready to pounce OT on food stamp recipients en mass with Nineteenth
> Century stereotypes is more needy than the financially unfortunate
> themselves, and should read an intelligent book once in awhile, or otherwise
> stick to what little they actually know something about.
>
Food stamp recipients who buy filet mignons and multiple boxes of
Twinkies and Ding Dongs are helping the Right to divide hard-working
lower income workers by using the underclass. They create resentment.
Surely you're smart enough to see that. You and I are aware that the
poor kept in their condition to give working people someone to resent,
lest they look up instead of down. Most people who work long hours for
low wages who see food stamps being used to buy products they can't
themselves afford, or carts full of junk food being bought with food
stamps by people who are 300+ pounds do resent it.

You and I can wish 'till the cows come home that working class people
were more class conscious, all the while the Right picks off voters who
don't realize they're voting against their own interests.

--Bryan

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Out of curiosity, doctor, do you use a macro to create your multitude
> of identical posts, or do you go the copy and paste route?

These posts have not been identical.

> I sure
> hope you're not typing them out in their entirety, over and over and
> over and over and over and over again Pure curiosity, not an attack.

That which the LORD guides me to do require very little effort.

> I'll pray for you to my loving God.

It would be my choice to thank and praise the LORD for your kind
thoughts.

> Peace,
> Rev. Carol M. Peterson

May the LORD continue to give you HIS peace.

You will be in my prayers, dear Carol whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD help all of us perservere though all that HE has planned for
our future especially if through HIS infinite will, HE realizes the
possibility of a global earthquake on 03/29/06.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

In article . net>,
Margaret Suran > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, having said what I said -- we're having company tonight for
> > dinner. But we're not entertaining. It's just Jo and Joe coming for
> > pot roast. With carrots. And kasha varnishkes. And broccoli, maybe.
> > And prize-winning pickles and imported olives from Zabar's. And Died
> > and Went-to-Heaven Chocolate Cake. And homemade bread. And wine. And
> > tortilla soup. And the good china. And the sterling.
> >
> > Cake just came out of the oven; bread dough is rising on the stove (over
> > the oven vent) and the pot roast just went into the oven. Pretty soon
> > I'll toast the kasha and get that underway and maybe set the table.
>
> What a great dinner. I bet there will be no left overs. There will
> be demands for seconds and thirds or there would be, if I were your
> lucky guest.
>
> Have fun and enjoy! M

You'll be happy to know that I've decided to forego the broccoli.
Enough cabbage with the slaw. "-)
I just took the bread out of the oven and put the pot roast back in,
along with the tortilla strips for the soup garnish. I've cut the
chihuahua cheese for the soup and hope for a decent avocado for it, as
well. I need to shower, glaze the cake, and set the table. I think
I'll cal Jo and tell them to come about 6:30 instead of 6:00. Tick,
tick, tick. . . .
(The KV is great, BTW.) I gotta find a tablecloth -- or else we'll do
placemats -- that'll be okay, too.
I've got fresh daffodils for the table.

--
-Barb
<www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 3-17-2006, The $400K Condo in the
'Hood
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <XhYSf.127856$4l5.24528@dukeread05>,
> Roberta > wrote:
>
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> In article <GlTSf.127813$4l5.20056@dukeread05>,
>>> Roberta > wrote:
>>>
>>>> do buy some processed food...not a whole lot but some (ego waffles,
>>>
>>> Are they oversized? How do you get them to fit in the toaster? "-)
>
>> The house we are renting has this cool little toaster oven "hanging"
>> from the cabinets - I use that
>
> One of two things happened he !) you didn't get my joke and 2) you
> did and didn't think it was funny and ignored it. IBeCrushed. "-)
>>
Nawww, youBe wantin' her to serve them with your homemade jam!

Jill

In article >,
The Ranger > wrote:

> I simplify it even further. Someone that eats to live is only
> interested in food as fuel. They don't care what it is, generally,
> because they're not interested in the subtleties (sight, smell, taste,
> texture) that the other extreme finds so compelling. It's simply
> something they need and will, generally, consume in record gulps. A
> subset of this group is Quantity-over-Quality.

Heh. The last person who told me that he only "eats to live" and that
"food is fuel" is one of the pickiest eaters I've ever met.

Miche

--
WWMVD?

Reg > wrote in news:mo_Sf.20758$NS6.7506
@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:


> This would make for a good study. Mount a camera in a supermarket
> and observe the people coming through and what they're buying.
> Check for a correlation between type of food and obesity. With
> a large enough dataset, the information might be revealing.
>

You'd have to be filming every store in the area, and over a very long
period. I've seen plenty of very overweight people with healthy foods in
their trolleys - perhaps they are attempting to lose weight. There've been
times when my trolley's had only "junk food" etc. in it - ever had a
party?? Times when I've stopped on the way home to buy a couple of frozen
meals (Lean Cuisine or similar) because it's late, I'm buggered and I'm not
going to want to cook when I get home. My trolley at the supermarket I use
won't always have fresh fruit or veg in it because I find better quality
produce elsewhere.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Roberta wrote:

>>> do buy some processed food...not a whole lot but some (ego waffles,
>>
>> Are they oversized? How do you get them to fit in the toaster? "-)
>
> The house we are renting has this cool little toaster oven "hanging" from
> the cabinets

Barb was making fun of your misspelling: The waffles are EGGO waffles, not
EGO waffles. She was alluding to the often-used phrase "oversized ego."

(Sheesh, it's no fun if you have to explain it...)

Bob

Doug Kanter wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>
>>>> <lol> That's the best (simplest) reply I've seen yet. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> And I agree.......
>>>> --
>>>> Peace, Om.
>>>
>>> You want me so bad, you're clawing the walls of your house. I just
>>> know it.
>>
>> Nah. "BOB" (Battery operated boyfriend) usually takes care of my
>> needs. <g>
>>
>> Then again........
>
> BOB can't fix the doorbell or change a light switch to a dimmer, now
> can he?

Heh, what makes you think a woman can't do that on her own? I've replaced
light fixtures, deadbolt locks, light switches... and all without a BOB

Jill

zxcvbob wrote:

> Henhouse wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine accused me of being a food snob the other day...
>
>
> Someone started the "food snob" thread again. :-(
>
> We might as well crosspost this to the cardio group and flood them
> with our irritating rightousness for a while. Turn about is fair play.
>
> Regards,
> Bob

Groan! I got up this morning to find 440 posts on rfc. Mos tof them were
this confounded food snob thread. I've seen it all before, years ago,
and it's too depressing. All these smug middle class characters just
dying to feel superior to the fat ignorant plebs on welfare.

Wonderful invention, food stamps, they enable one to target disapproval
so accurately. I mean, I see a dumpy woman in skin tight jeans and
moccasins with a trolley full of fizzy drinks and frozen pizzas and if
I knew for sure she was on benefits I then could glow with righteous
disapproval. I could be making a very big mistake if it turns out her
husband earns more than I do. She, of course, has similar suspicions
that I am on benefits because of the wheelchair, and would really like
to disapprove of me shelling out taxpayers' money for EVO and King
Island cheese and smoked salmon. Food stamps would put us both out of
our misery; as it is, we both just have to mind our own bloody business.

One thing that nobody seems to have turned their mind to is the fact
that the supermarkets stock all this supposedly terrible junk food. If
it's legal to manufacture it and legal to advertise it and legal to
purchase it (even with food stamps), why blame people for buying it?

Christine

Rhonda Anderson wrote:

> Reg > wrote in news:mo_Sf.20758$NS6.7506
> @newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:
>
>>This would make for a good study. Mount a camera in a supermarket
>>and observe the people coming through and what they're buying.
>>Check for a correlation between type of food and obesity. With
>>a large enough dataset, the information might be revealing.
>>
>
> You'd have to be filming every store in the area, and over a very long
> period. I've seen plenty of very overweight people with healthy foods in
> their trolleys - perhaps they are attempting to lose weight. There've been
> times when my trolley's had only "junk food" etc. in it - ever had a
> party?? Times when I've stopped on the way home to buy a couple of frozen
> meals (Lean Cuisine or similar) because it's late, I'm buggered and I'm not
> going to want to cook when I get home. My trolley at the supermarket I use
> won't always have fresh fruit or veg in it because I find better quality
> produce elsewhere.


This would all be covered under the qualification "large
enough dataset".

And no, you wouldn't have to observe every store, the
same way polls don't need to include every human being
in a target group to produce accurate numbers. It's
called "sampling".

That's not to say that the methodology couldn't be improved,
however. There are many ways, too mundane to be mentioned
here.

--
Reg

Siobhan Perricone > wrote in
:

>
> It is *so* easy to judge people in this situation. Why don't you take
> some time to find out how much in food stamps and other government
> assistance she actually gets, then look at the prices for fresh foods
> in your local supermarket and think about the size of her family and
> how much it'd cost to feed them good, fresh foods every day. Even at
> the portions you'd consider "sensible".
>
> While it is possible to eat better than you described on such a small
> amount of money, it takes a lot of time, effort, and training to do
> it. It is not intuitive, and it is not something that people are
> taught how to do much any more. Also, it is only possible to eat a
> little better, not a great deal better. So eating a little better,
> with a whole lot more work, that it is unlikely anyone has taken the
> time to show her how to do versus spending her time on other things
> that may appear more productive to her in the long run...

I remember reading an article in an American magazine a couple of years
back which looked at the fresh produce available in supermarkets in poor
inner city areas and found overall that it was of appalling quality
(often rotting), and cost more than fresh produce in stores in other
areas. Unfortunately the cost and/or difficulty of travelling to those
other areas meant people were stuck with what was available in their
store.

Even here, where I am, while it is possible to eat better than all junk
on a limited income, it's probably not that easy.Prepared foods come in
generic brands - often quite cheap. Fresh produce doesn't. Some years ago
when my nephews were still in pre-school, the pre-school (as many do
here) had a rule against packing chocolate biscuits, chips etc. in
children's lunchboxes. At a parent committee meeting one father opined on
how it would surely be cheaper anyway to pack an apple in the child's
lunchbox than a chocolate biscuit. My sister figured he'd never done
thegrocery shopping, because it wouldn't really be, and it still isn't.

You could get a homebrand packet of chocolate biscuits (pretend Tim Tams)
for less than $2 (Woolworths Online has them priced at $1.30). In the
brochure from the local IGA supermarket they have Red Delicious apples at
$2.48/kilo. There's usually around 10 biscuits in a packet. You'd be
pressed to get 10 apples in a kilo. This is just an example - not a
justification of feeding children chocolate biscuits instead of apples,
before anyone jumps on me!

Perhaps if people are going to require assistance, they should be given
some education on how to shop more healthily on a limited income.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Reg > wrote in
. com:

..
>
> And no, you wouldn't have to observe every store, the
> same way polls don't need to include every human being
> in a target group to produce accurate numbers. It's
> called "sampling".

Of course you'd be sampling, but you'd still need to have more than one
store, and type of store. If the store you're sampling regularly sells crap
quality fresh produce, and most people like to buy theirs in another store,
your results would be biased.

Anyway, I wasn't really aiming to work on the methodology, or worry about
the stats. I was just trying to make the point that you can't always make
an accurate judgement (or even a ballpark accuracy judgement) of someone's
eating habits from looking at their shopping trolley.
--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Don't you think it is kind of silly to be praying in alt.atheism? It's a
little like jacking off in a whore house.

The residents are humored but don't really give a damn.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Henhouse wrote:
>> > A friend of mine accused me of being a food snob the other day...
>>
>> Someone started the "food snob" thread again. :-(
>>
>> We might as well crosspost this to the cardio group and flood them with
>> our irritating rightousness for a while. Turn about is fair play.
>
> There is no righteousness in worshipping food.
>
> Truth is simple.
>
> You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Jesus' most
> precious and holy name.
>
> May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.
>
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
> cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
> during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
>
> For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
> how the LORD has reshaped me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's love,
>
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
>

In article >,
Henhouse > wrote:

> Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else here has suffered a similar
> accusation, and had any good arguments with which to refute it? Or
> perhaps you think my friend is right and I'm just too precious about the
> whole topic? Opinions welcomed!

I don't know that there really is an argument to refute it, nor that
you need to do so. I don't think you are a food snob, you don't, but
she does. *shrug*

We are much like you about food, but we'll eat pretty much whatever
we're served and make no comment. We don't give our kids tons of sugar
or candy, but if they get some, we let them have it. We don't make a
huge deal about it.

Regards,
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In article >,
Henhouse > wrote:

> My friend got quite heated about it all, and told me that if I'd got
> four kids and was working full time, I'd soon change my ways and opt for
> foods I could just stick in the microwave (not that she has the four
> kids etc., just the one 25yr old son). I'm not likely to ever find
> myself in that position, but I imagine that if I had children I'd be
> even more concerned about the foods they were eating than I am about my
> own. I could be wrong, of course!

Oh, and as for this, it's malarky. I used to work out of the home,
before I had kids and still managed to cook from scratch. Now, I have
four kids and work full time at home, and cook from scratch, a lot of
times simple meals, or things I can put in a crock pot, so I can still
ferry kids to and from school, run errands, get the house clean and
spend time with my kids. People just make excuses to cover up their
lack of interest, or their laziness.m I do not exempt myself there,
there are some piles of papers in this house that I "haven't had time
for" because I just don't want to do it.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> These are just examples. So don't prejudge what you see in people's
> shopping carts.

Especially if, like me, sometimes you just pick up what's on sale and
what's missing in your house, resulting in frozen pizzas, fresh ginger,
diapers, dish washing detergent and whole wheat flour.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> > I keep shaking my head at my friend because she complains about her weight
> > and her daughters' weight (her 15 year old daughter is over 300 pounds!, her
> > 12 year old is about 170) and I just want to shake her! I keep trying to
> > tell her that it's the kind of food she's buying that's causing the weight
> > gain, she nods and says "she knows", but she claims that this is all her
> > kids will eat. Personally, I think she's killing her family. Sad thing is,
> > all this junk "food" is supported by the government. Yep, you got it, Food
> > Stamps. Someone should supervise what kinds of foods people should be
> > allowed to buy on government assistance.
>
> This is just my observation but quite often people resort to the junk
> food like you mentioned because they don't know how to cook and/or don't
> have the necessary cooking equipment.

I understand what you're saying here, but if she has a pot to make
the Kraft macaroni and cheese, a knife and a frying pan (she must have a
microwave to reheat, and a stove for the mac and cheese), that's all
that's _really_ necessary to cook.

> Another problem is a lot of this
> pre-prepared food tends to ultimately be more expensive that the
> comparable made from scratch. So to me, it would make sense to offer
> free classes to help them learn about nutritious and how to cook. OTOH,
> you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped

I think this is a lot of the problem.

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In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> I can appreciate your position, Jill. The thing is some of those on
> social assistance as well as those not on in but either lower income or
> even just on a budget have never been taught food nutrition, frugal
> shopping, or how to cook. I don't find it easy at all to criticize
> other people's choices. They make them for a reason and that reason is
> not always apparent to an outside observer. I think the real objection
> is someone is not doing it the way someone else does. Now, I've been
> very vocal about my food choices and the fact that I do a lot of home
> preserving but I am also the first one to say my way is not for
> everyone. It works for *me* and *my family* period. I think people
> have to realize everyone does things differently. Not everyone is into
> nutritious eating or cooking.

And if those people were spending their own money, I'd agree with
you. If they were paying their folks' money, or a siblings' money or
their neighbors' money, same thing. That's between them and the people
who give them the money. When they are spending the public's money, the
public will have some thoughts on it.

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Ranee

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In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> Amen! Another thing to consider is many in this situation don't have
> transportation to get to U-picks or farmer's markets or a veggie stand
> where produce is a lot cheaper. Even if they did, storage becomes an
> issue because chest freezers and larger fridges are a luxury not
> available. Have you ever seen the size of appliances in public housing?
> You can't even fit normal sized cookie sheets or pans in the oven. I
> doubt a turkey, one of the cheapest meats, would fit! Fridges are so
> small, there is no way you could have much in the way of frozen food or
> fresh food. Making the situation worse, they are often in housing where
> they cannot grow produce themselves and even if they could might not be
> able to afford the seeds or if working, the time. Inner city persons on
> assistance often don't have access to actual grocery stores either.

Who says you need to go to a farmer's market to get produce
inexpensively. And around here, many of the farmer's markets do take
WIC and Food Stamps. As I said before, we have been on food stamps, we
still didn't buy junk with it, we still shopped sales, bought the lower
priced options, and made do. I don't think anyone would say you can't
buy any canned foods or frozen foods, but there is junk out there, and
it is more expensive, less nutritious, and it shouldn't be allowed for
purchase on the taxpayer's dime.

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In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> Would you want someone telling you what you can and can't eat or buy? I
> have dietary restrictions and I can tell you I feel resentful sometimes.
> Why shouldn't they, as autonomous persons, be allowed to make their
> own decisions whether or not they meet anyone else's standards?

If they are spending someone else's money, then yes, they are
responsible to account for how they are spending it. That is what food
stamps is, spending the money of _people_ in the nation.

Regards,
Ranee

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:21:32 GMT, sarah bennett
> wrote:

>It's not hard to learn how to prepare a few simple, nutritious recipes.
>Really, it isn't. It sucks to be poor/broke, sure. But we all need to
>learn to live within our means.

It is when there's no on willing or able to teach you in a non-judgemental
way.

--
Siobhan Perricone
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can
prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
- Penn Jillette from his "This I Believe" essay

In article .com>,
"Food Snob" > wrote:

> About the only exclusions are sodapop and candy.

That seems to depend on the state, I know that Oklahoma allowed both
of those, at least seven years ago.

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:31:42 -0800, Ranee Mueller
> wrote:

> And if those people were spending their own money, I'd agree with
>you. If they were paying their folks' money, or a siblings' money or
>their neighbors' money, same thing. That's between them and the people
>who give them the money. When they are spending the public's money, the
>public will have some thoughts on it.

And do you all bitch and moan, and shriek when the rich person buys caviar
with their social security check? Or the oil companies take a tax break
they get from our government and use it to build a new facility in another
country and fire 500 workers in the US.

It's so easy to kick the poor.

--
Siobhan Perricone
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can
prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
- Penn Jillette from his "This I Believe" essay

In article
>,
Old Mother Ashby > wrote:

> One thing that nobody seems to have turned their mind to is the fact
> that the supermarkets stock all this supposedly terrible junk food. If
> it's legal to manufacture it and legal to advertise it and legal to
> purchase it (even with food stamps), why blame people for buying it?

Because they are spending _our_ money to get stuff that is garbage
and expensive.

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:47:23 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>Sweet Jesus! Siobbhan!! May I sit by you? It would be a pleasure to
>sit at your feet, Lady. Well said!! I salute you.

*chuckle* Thanks. I've been poor when I was a kid, and I've been in a
position where one illness would have made me homeless, but I've managed. I
was *taught* how to shop and cook frugally. I'm from a small midwest family
with a large extended family, so I had a lot of resources to draw on.

But I've had friends who have not been nearly so fortunate, and it's
painful to see them struggling so hard.

Another thing I forgot to mention about people living in poverty is vermin.
Most of the low income housing I've seen has had vermin problems, and that
makes food storage a serious challenge. Not to mention the other things
another poster mentioned about small to non-existent kitchens, tiny
appliances, and often non-fuctional appliances.

It just really gets my goat how impossible our society makes it for the
poor to actually get out from under the yoke of public assistance. All the
programs that we had in place that were actually working, and getting
people out from under, have been gradually starved by funding cuts. It's a
vicious circle, and the people who are stuck in it are villified and
treated so badly it breaks my heart.

It's just so easy to speak from a position of having enough, or having had
some good luck at the right times...

--
Siobhan Perricone
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can
prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
- Penn Jillette from his "This I Believe" essay

The amount of welfare abuse compared to the good it does for the
majority --these things are bell curves, as is society on the whole--
somebody has to drive a BMW and qualify, that is the reality. Compare all of
the entitlements in the industry (it is simply an industry like any other)
of Human Services to entitlements for corporate industries and public
assistance amounts to chump change.

The guy who works and is envious of the food the food-stamp recipients can
afford must work for Walmart. Any type of assistance going to Walmart
employees to supplement poor wages is a welfare subsidy for Walmart.
Poverty is a cycle of all of the most negative things about human behavior
that includes everything from eating junk food to drug related killing.
Filling a shopping cart with Twinkies and Pepsi is such a minor and benign
symptom.



The snobbery thread began with two, I assume middle-class, women having
differences. The presentation of a stereotype that reflects on all food
stamp recipients to validate some point about why a poster should not lament
over the stupid label "snob" (no comparison with your use as an alias) in a
thread with the theme of snobbery, is irrelevant and ludicrous. It is crap
and stinks of prejudice and sloppy sound-byte generated opinions --that is
what the Right capitalizes upon to grab voters, as you have stated.

It seemed to insult at least one poster and I have known honest people who
used public assistance that wouldn't deserve the insults.

I think that should be pointed out is all, I am not supporting any causes
here. We are probably more alike than different.
Lefty
--
Life is for learning






"Food Snob" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Lefty wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anybody ready to pounce OT on food stamp recipients en mass with
Nineteenth
> > Century stereotypes is more needy than the financially unfortunate
> > themselves, and should read an intelligent book once in awhile, or
otherwise
> > stick to what little they actually know something about.
> >
> Food stamp recipients who buy filet mignons and multiple boxes of
> Twinkies and Ding Dongs are helping the Right to divide hard-working
> lower income workers by using the underclass. They create resentment.
> Surely you're smart enough to see that. You and I are aware that the
> poor kept in their condition to give working people someone to resent,
> lest they look up instead of down. Most people who work long hours for
> low wages who see food stamps being used to buy products they can't
> themselves afford, or carts full of junk food being bought with food
> stamps by people who are 300+ pounds do resent it.
>
> You and I can wish 'till the cows come home that working class people
> were more class conscious, all the while the Right picks off voters who
> don't realize they're voting against their own interests.
>
> --Bryan
>