>
> Thanks, Dee, for the advice. I would like to taste Giada's version with
> the chocolate zabione, but I'm not sure I would prefer it. I love
> chocolate, but one of the things I like about tiramisu is the contrast in
> flavors.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright o¿o

I certainly agree with that.
She adds I think about 1/2 cup chocolate chips to her zabione. I'm not fond
of chocolate chips, but I would add probably chocolate if I did make the
zabione. She give the recipe of zabione as a stand-alone recipe and this is
what she adds to her tiramisu recipe.

Hard day here at the ranch. The electrican was here straight thru from 8
until 6 replacing our electric panel, and adding a surge protector as well
and getting power back to the outshed, but I guess we have too many things
on it and he was a little behind schedule. Coming back tomorrow to finish
the job. We were lucky and didn't get the bad snow that was expected, just
a light snow and some more to come overnight. Did you finish with your rain
and get warmed up again?

We were going to Lowe's tomorrow to look again at the overhead vent that we
will probably buy. I think it will be Allure III; a poster here said he
liked it well. DH says he thinks there is an outside vent already there
that was walled up with tiles before the Jennair was installed in 1988.
http://tinypic.com/rwtd8w.jpg Perhaps we can tap-tap-tap to see where it
comes thru the house so as to not tear up all the tile and I can replace the
few tiles we tear up with some artistic type tiles - just to kill the
monotony. The pink formica has to go because as you can see it is pretty
bad by now and I ruined a 8" spot to the right of the stove.
I'm not too sure how the wooden trim can be/would be handled that the
formica is encased in. DH has no consideration as to how much water is
dripped across this wood, sot it does look a bit sorry, but it sure has
stayed.

The burner to the left on the Jennair now has the smooth-top on it and I
like it a lot. When I was putting away the coils, I found that not only do
we have the big grill for this stove, but we have another set of the burners
that are on the right. I'm STILL not sure what you call these type of
burners.

I saw your answer to the Bechamel, but I have had no chance to read/answer
emails, but this one.
And of course, who can keep up with the rabbits?
Dee Dee

On Tue 21 Mar 2006 07:33:55p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Dee
Randall?

>
>>
>> Thanks, Dee, for the advice. I would like to taste Giada's version
>> with the chocolate zabione, but I'm not sure I would prefer it. I
>> love chocolate, but one of the things I like about tiramisu is the
>> contrast in flavors.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright o¿o
>
> I certainly agree with that.
> She adds I think about 1/2 cup chocolate chips to her zabione. I'm not
> fond of chocolate chips, but I would add probably chocolate if I did
> make the zabione. She give the recipe of zabione as a stand-alone
> recipe and this is what she adds to her tiramisu recipe.

I have to agree. I would not be adding chocolate chips to a zabione.

> Hard day here at the ranch. The electrican was here straight thru from
> 8 until 6 replacing our electric panel, and adding a surge protector as
> well and getting power back to the outshed, but I guess we have too many
> things on it and he was a little behind schedule. Coming back tomorrow
> to finish the job.

Ouch! An electrician for an entire day can't have been cheap. But I guess
when something needs doing, it must be done.

We were lucky and didn't get the bad snow that was
> expected, just a light snow and some more to come overnight. Did you
> finish with your rain and get warmed up again?

Hopefully this will be some the last snow you get for the season. At least
you weren't engulfed in it.

Our weather was clear most of last week, but unseasonably cool until
Saturday, which was a beautiful day. Sunday it began raining again, but
not for as long. Off and on throughout the day. Yesterday was cold and
very windy (in the 40s, which feels frigid here). This morning it was cold
and began raining again this afternoon, although it has now stopped.
Actually, I welcome any rain we get, as we need it desperately, but I could
do without the lower temps.

> We were going to Lowe's tomorrow to look again at the overhead vent that
> we will probably buy. I think it will be Allure III; a poster here said
> he liked it well. DH says he thinks there is an outside vent already
> there that was walled up with tiles before the Jennair was installed in
> 1988. http://tinypic.com/rwtd8w.jpg Perhaps we can tap-tap-tap to see
> where it comes thru the house so as to not tear up all the tile and I
> can replace the few tiles we tear up with some artistic type tiles -
> just to kill the monotony. The pink formica has to go because as you
> can see it is pretty bad by now and I ruined a 8" spot to the right of
> the stove. I'm not too sure how the wooden trim can be/would be handled
> that the formica is encased in. DH has no consideration as to how much
> water is dripped across this wood, sot it does look a bit sorry, but it
> sure has stayed.

Heh! You haven't seen pink formica unless you had seen the kitchen in one
my first apartments. It was built in the era of GEs bright pastel colored
appliances. The formica with bright pink and the built-in cooktop, wall
oven, and refrigerator were vivid turquoise! The heavy enameled steel
cabinets and porcelain cast-iron sink were in matching turquoise. The
walls were cream and the floor was brown linoleum. A sight to behold!!!

In an earlier kitchen we had in OH, we had Amish-built oak cabinets and the
laminate counter was bordered by an oak strip. About twice a year I would
mask off the liminate and rub the wood trim down with tung oil. Never had
a problem. The wood trim will be removed as part of your countertop when
you replace the top. Very little alternative there. Depending on the
surface you replace it with, you could add it back and restain it.

> The burner to the left on the Jennair now has the smooth-top on it and I
> like it a lot. When I was putting away the coils, I found that not only
> do we have the big grill for this stove, but we have another set of the
> burners that are on the right. I'm STILL not sure what you call these
> type of burners.
>
> I saw your answer to the Bechamel, but I have had no chance to
> read/answer emails, but this one.

I'm not sure why some people feel they must pontificate about a recipe.
For cripes sake, it's just a recipe, not an excerpt from a holy book.

> And of course, who can keep up with the rabbits?

The other rabbits!

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

Nexis wrote:
> This is the stuff for you then Before I had my machine, this is what I always
> used, with the fresh brewed coffee like I mentioned. It's a good, rich flavor with
> the combination of the two.

I will second it. I was going to suggest it, but can never remember
how to spell the name. I also use it when I want some java but
don't want to make a pot. It's also good stirred into some hot cocoa
for a mocha-cocoa.

-L.

On Tue 21 Mar 2006 10:57:14p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it -L.?

>
> Nexis wrote:
>> This is the stuff for you then Before I had my machine, this is what
>> I always used, with the fresh brewed coffee like I mentioned. It's a
>> good, rich flavor with the combination of the two.
>
> I will second it. I was going to suggest it, but can never remember
> how to spell the name. I also use it when I want some java but
> don't want to make a pot. It's also good stirred into some hot cocoa
> for a mocha-cocoa.
>
> -L.

Thanks! I'll pick some up very soon.

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

> Ouch! An electrician for an entire day can't have been cheap. But I
> guess
> when something needs doing, it must be done.

He's under a contract -- but it has been re-written a couple of times -- you
know how that goes -- tee hee!

> Our weather was clear most of last week, but unseasonably cool until
> Saturday, which was a beautiful day. Sunday it began raining again, but
> not for as long. Off and on throughout the day. Yesterday was cold and
> very windy (in the 40s, which feels frigid here). This morning it was
> cold
> and began raining again this afternoon, although it has now stopped.
> Actually, I welcome any rain we get, as we need it desperately, but I
> could
> do without the lower temps.

With the explosion of population in the desert, I would think that the
desalinization plants would be on the rise. I recall Marin County, CA in
the 70's laying water pipes on the San Rafael Bridge to bring water to us.

>
> Heh! You haven't seen pink formica unless you had seen the kitchen in one
> my first apartments. It was built in the era of GEs bright pastel colored
> appliances. The formica with bright pink and the built-in cooktop, wall
> oven, and refrigerator were vivid turquoise! The heavy enameled steel
> cabinets and porcelain cast-iron sink were in matching turquoise. The
> walls were cream and the floor was brown linoleum. A sight to behold!!!

I don't recall the pastel colored appliances, all I recall is avocado. But
pink and turquoise, must be in my psyche -- those are the two Fiesta bowls I
bought tee hee -- they were used for pasta last night. They will be used
for oatmeal in a few moments getting ready for the electrician to come back
to finish the job. Yes, I know they cost plenty -- my dad was an
electrican -- he did alright financially. I've heard it said that when they
needed someone in counties around to climb high structures, they called
him -- must've been a little bit of Indian dna.


>
> In an earlier kitchen we had in OH, we had Amish-built oak cabinets and
> the
> laminate counter was bordered by an oak strip. About twice a year I would
> mask off the liminate and rub the wood trim down with tung oil. Never had
> a problem. The wood trim will be removed as part of your countertop when
> you replace the top. Very little alternative there. Depending on the
> surface you replace it with, you could add it back and restain it.

I don't know what I'll do with the counter top. Probably pay some yay-hoot
to come in and advise me. When I was in the Turkish grocery store last
week, I admired his counters -- they were stunning! I thought they were not
real granite. But he said they were -- he had a friend who could "get them
wholesale." Tee hee. There was not a scratch or mar on them. But I think
that's a little too bold for my budget.

I'm off the net -- to read cookbooks for a while -- my kind of reading -
non-fiction!
DeeDee

On Wed 22 Mar 2006 06:30:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Dee
Randall?

>
>> Ouch! An electrician for an entire day can't have been cheap. But I
>> guess when something needs doing, it must be done.
>
> He's under a contract -- but it has been re-written a couple of times --
> you know how that goes -- tee hee!
>
>> Our weather was clear most of last week, but unseasonably cool until
>> Saturday, which was a beautiful day. Sunday it began raining again,
>> but not for as long. Off and on throughout the day. Yesterday was
>> cold and very windy (in the 40s, which feels frigid here). This
>> morning it was cold and began raining again this afternoon, although it
>> has now stopped. Actually, I welcome any rain we get, as we need it
>> desperately, but I could do without the lower temps.
>
> With the explosion of population in the desert, I would think that the
> desalinization plants would be on the rise. I recall Marin County, CA
> in the 70's laying water pipes on the San Rafael Bridge to bring water
> to us.

Mostly likely they are, but of course, not around here. <g>

>> Heh! You haven't seen pink formica unless you had seen the kitchen in
>> one my first apartments. It was built in the era of GEs bright pastel
>> colored appliances. The formica with bright pink and the built-in
>> cooktop, wall oven, and refrigerator were vivid turquoise! The heavy
>> enameled steel cabinets and porcelain cast-iron sink were in matching
>> turquoise. The walls were cream and the floor was brown linoleum. A
>> sight to behold!!!
>
> I don't recall the pastel colored appliances, all I recall is avocado.
> But pink and turquoise, must be in my psyche -- those are the two Fiesta
> bowls I bought tee hee -- they were used for pasta last night. They
> will be used for oatmeal in a few moments getting ready for the
> electrician to come back to finish the job. Yes, I know they cost
> plenty -- my dad was an electrican -- he did alright financially. I've
> heard it said that when they needed someone in counties around to climb
> high structures, they called him -- must've been a little bit of Indian
> dna.

I love all the colors in my Fiestaware and I have a mixture of a dozen
colors. I just don't think that I want to see those colors in appliances
again. GE made yellow, turquoise, pink, and cocoa. Another company
produced matching porcelain on cast iron sinks, and yet another produced
matching heavy steel kitchen cabinets. Talk about a lot of color!

I hope all your electrical work was completed today.

>> In an earlier kitchen we had in OH, we had Amish-built oak cabinets and
>> the laminate counter was bordered by an oak strip. About twice a year
>> I would mask off the liminate and rub the wood trim down with tung oil.
>> Never had a problem. The wood trim will be removed as part of your
>> countertop when you replace the top. Very little alternative there.
>> Depending on the surface you replace it with, you could add it back and
>> restain it.
>
> I don't know what I'll do with the counter top. Probably pay some
> yay-hoot to come in and advise me. When I was in the Turkish grocery
> store last week, I admired his counters -- they were stunning! I
> thought they were not real granite. But he said they were -- he had a
> friend who could "get them wholesale." Tee hee. There was not a
> scratch or mar on them. But I think that's a little too bold for my
> budget.

If I didn't have a tight budget for the new house, I would go with either a
quartz product or limestone. As it is, I'm using a granite "look" laminate
and the edge trim will be ceramic tile.

> I'm off the net -- to read cookbooks for a while -- my kind of reading -
> non-fiction!

Have fun!

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

> Once again, thanks! Since you have used it this way in the past, can you
> recommend a certain amount to be mixed with the regular coffee that worked
> well for you? Say, a teaspoon or two per measuring cup of brewed coffee?

I don't really measure it...I make about 2 cups of coffee and add a heaping spoonful
(from the dinnerware, yanno ;-) ) and some vanilla and whatnot. Sweeten to taste with
whatever. Sometimes, and I don't know why this is, I find that it doesn't quite make
enough, so I just make another cup with a level spoonful of espresso powder.

>
>> Of course, I am a complete coffee fiend, so I had to move on from coffee
>> maker to espresso machine lol
>
> I've been "off coffee" as a hot beverage for a long time. I usually drink
> an iced coffe with cream or iced latté each morning, which I prefer to get
> at a shop on the way to work. I doubt that I've even used my coffee maker
> at home more than 2-3 times in the past year.
>
> Several years ago I bought a moderately priced Gaggia espresso machine, but
> I found the results very disappointing, and I return it to the store. For
> just myself, I couldn't justify the price of a really good machine,
> although it would be nice to have. :-)

There are 3 full-time coffee drinkers in my house. I have a cup in the morning, an
iced coffee many afternoons (at least when the weather is accommodating!) and a cup
at night. The machine I have now (a Jura Capresso) makes coffee and espresso both,
which is much better than having two machines like we used to. It also froths milk
and heat the cups and grinds the beans, so it's too easy not to love it. I did
have a Gaggia once, and like you, I didn't care for it. This one was a hand pump
style (where you let the steam pressure build up and then pull down the wand), but it
had a real tendency to go overboard on the steam pressure which made it plain scary!
I much prefer the machine I have now.


kimberly

>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright o¿o
> ____________________
>
> BIOYA

http://www.javacabana.com/categories.asp?catid=5

They have it here at a really good price Wayne, if you can't find it locally.


kimberly

On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:18:11p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nexis?

>
>> Once again, thanks! Since you have used it this way in the past, can
>> you recommend a certain amount to be mixed with the regular coffee that
>> worked well for you? Say, a teaspoon or two per measuring cup of
>> brewed coffee?
>
> I don't really measure it...I make about 2 cups of coffee and add a
> heaping spoonful (from the dinnerware, yanno ;-) ) and some vanilla and
> whatnot. Sweeten to taste with whatever. Sometimes, and I don't know why
> this is, I find that it doesn't quite make enough, so I just make
> another cup with a level spoonful of espresso powder.

Thanks! That's as good a guideline as I need.

>>> Of course, I am a complete coffee fiend, so I had to move on from
>>> coffee maker to espresso machine lol
>>
>> I've been "off coffee" as a hot beverage for a long time. I usually
>> drink an iced coffe with cream or iced latté each morning, which I
>> prefer to get at a shop on the way to work. I doubt that I've even
>> used my coffee maker at home more than 2-3 times in the past year.
>>
>> Several years ago I bought a moderately priced Gaggia espresso machine,
>> but I found the results very disappointing, and I return it to the
>> store. For just myself, I couldn't justify the price of a really good
>> machine, although it would be nice to have. :-)
>
> There are 3 full-time coffee drinkers in my house. I have a cup in the
> morning, an iced coffee many afternoons (at least when the weather is
> accommodating!) and a cup at night. The machine I have now (a Jura
> Capresso) makes coffee and espresso both, which is much better than
> having two machines like we used to. It also froths milk and heat the
> cups and grinds the beans, so it's too easy not to love it. I did
> have a Gaggia once, and like you, I didn't care for it. This one was a
> hand pump style (where you let the steam pressure build up and then pull
> down the wand), but it had a real tendency to go overboard on the steam
> pressure which made it plain scary! I much prefer the machine I have
> now.

That looks like a super machine! You can certainly justify it with 3
coffee drinkers. I can't remember which model Gaggia I had, but one of my
major issues with its inability to form crema. The steam generator was a
bit lacking, too.

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:22:09p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nexis?

> http://www.javacabana.com/categories.asp?catid=5
>
> They have it here at a really good price Wayne, if you can't find it
> locally.
>
>
> kimberly
>
>

Thanks! This is a good reference to have, Kimberly. I did, however, find it
this morning at a market near my office. Looks like this weekend I'll be
building a tiramisu!

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

> Thanks! This is a good reference to have, Kimberly. I did, however, find
> it
> this morning at a market near my office. Looks like this weekend I'll be
> building a tiramisu!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright o¿o

Wayne, this is something I've not done in making a tiramisu. I'm wondering
if you do this or anyone has. Seems like a good idea, although I've seen
Giada do something else like this as well, but this an excerpt from awritten
instruction is from her cookbook.

"Line a 9-1/4 x 5 x 2-3/4" metal loaf pan with plastic wrap, allowing the
plastic to extend over the sides."

Then you pack your ingredients in.

"Cover the tiramisu with plastic and refrigerate ...."

"Unwrap the plastic fromatop the tiramisu. Invert the tiramisu on to a
platter and remove the plastic." "Sift the cocoa over it and serve."

Dee Dee

notbob wrote:

> On 2006-03-20, jake > wrote:
>
>
>>For anyone interested and their googling ease: try "percolator". It is
>>the name of that device in several languages, although I don't know if
>>English is one of them.
>
>
> Yes, "percolator" is a coffee brewing device fairly well known in the
> USA. It boils coffee and recirculates it over the grounds thereby
> tending to overextraction and harshness. While common in the 40s, 50s
> and early 60s, it has fallen out of favor since the rise in popularity
> of the drip coffee brewer.
>
> nb

I use one occasionally, when I get bored with fleter coffee (which I
drink lots of). I agree that percolator coffe tastes harsh.

"Dee Randall" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Thanks! This is a good reference to have, Kimberly. I did, however, find it
>> this morning at a market near my office. Looks like this weekend I'll be
>> building a tiramisu!
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright o¿o
>
> Wayne, this is something I've not done in making a tiramisu. I'm wondering if you
> do this or anyone has. Seems like a good idea, although I've seen Giada do
> something else like this as well, but this an excerpt from awritten instruction is
> from her cookbook.
>
> "Line a 9-1/4 x 5 x 2-3/4" metal loaf pan with plastic wrap, allowing the plastic
> to extend over the sides."
>
> Then you pack your ingredients in.
>
> "Cover the tiramisu with plastic and refrigerate ...."
>
> "Unwrap the plastic fromatop the tiramisu. Invert the tiramisu on to a platter and
> remove the plastic." "Sift the cocoa over it and serve."
>
> Dee Dee

I did that once. Too much trouble, and it looks better in a glass dish, IMO ;-)
Although, the way I really like to serve it for company is a bit of a pain in the
neck too, but it looks soooo nice and everyone oohs and aahs over it all night! I
make it in stemmed glasses...martini, margarita, wine...doesn't matter which. It
makes a perfect sized serving and looks lovely. Last time was during the holidays and
my daughter made a stencil of a snowflake and used it when putting the chocolate on
top, so each serving had a chocolate snowflake.

kimberly

"Nexis" > wrote in message
news:Ba4Vf.14158$6a1.9098@fed1read04...
>
> "Dee Randall" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> Thanks! This is a good reference to have, Kimberly. I did, however,
>>> find it
>>> this morning at a market near my office. Looks like this weekend I'll
>>> be
>>> building a tiramisu!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wayne Boatwright o¿o
>>
>> Wayne, this is something I've not done in making a tiramisu. I'm
>> wondering if you do this or anyone has. Seems like a good idea, although
>> I've seen Giada do something else like this as well, but this an excerpt
>> from awritten instruction is from her cookbook.
>>
>> "Line a 9-1/4 x 5 x 2-3/4" metal loaf pan with plastic wrap, allowing the
>> plastic to extend over the sides."
>>
>> Then you pack your ingredients in.
>>
>> "Cover the tiramisu with plastic and refrigerate ...."
>>
>> "Unwrap the plastic fromatop the tiramisu. Invert the tiramisu on to a
>> platter and remove the plastic." "Sift the cocoa over it and serve."
>>
>> Dee Dee
>
> I did that once. Too much trouble, and it looks better in a glass dish,
> IMO ;-)
> Although, the way I really like to serve it for company is a bit of a pain
> in the neck too, but it looks soooo nice and everyone oohs and aahs over
> it all night! I make it in stemmed glasses...martini, margarita,
> wine...doesn't matter which. It makes a perfect sized serving and looks
> lovely. Last time was during the holidays and my daughter made a stencil
> of a snowflake and used it when putting the chocolate on top, so each
> serving had a chocolate snowflake.
>
> kimberly

I'm not that creative nor artistic to spend the extra time doing that, but I
certainly appreciate it. It would make me nervous even trying to get the
tiramisu into serving glasses without looking really messy. But that's a
good idea to make it in a glass dish instead of just seeing the top of it as
when I make it.
As for everything that Giada does -- she does it well; she has been trained
at Cordon Bleu (is that the correct place?). I have to admire her coming
thru with flying colors, particulary when she didn't speak any French.
I'm glad you told me of your experience with the tiramisu and the plastic
wrap. It's always pleasing to get feedback on things one reads in
cookboods.
Dee Dee