OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>
> <lol> There has been an ongoing thing on the local radio the past few
> days... One of our local militant atheists is challenging the Texas
> constitution.
>
> Seems that in order to hold public office, you have to believe in a
> higher power, so that excludes atheists.

For good reason. You can't have non believers running the state when there are
morally superior Christians like David Koresh to show us the way.

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "Nola" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >
> > On 29-Mar-2006, (Glitter Ninja) wrote:
> >
> >> I just have a problem with an organization that requires
> >> religious worship. It's not any of their business whether a family
> >> attends church or not, and if they do, what church they go to.
> >>
> >> Stacia
> >
> > Then stay away from the BSA, a private, non-profit organization that
> > clearly
> > states its mission to be:
> > "to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their
> > lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law."
>
> ***snip***
>
>
> > It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If
> > you
> > don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no place
> > in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
> > start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
> > choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in
> > their
> > life are depriving you of something.
> >
> > Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.
>
>
> Do you understand that not believing in a deity, or believing in a different
> one than someone else are not the same as "hating god"?
>
>

Probably not. ;-)
Sheeple rarely see the obvious.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article <_CxWf.2766$Aa1.1899@dukeread05>,
Roberta > wrote:

> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:43:47 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:57:57 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On the upside Carol, it's not GS cookie season right now! <G>
> >>> That's okay. Girl Scouts are pretty scarce around here, so temptation
> >>> isn't an issue. Cookies re one of my worst vices.
> >> There is always that line from Adams Family:
> >>
> >> "Are they made with real Girl Scouts?"
> >
> > Best line in the movie. Actually, the only line that I remember.
> >
> > Carol
>
> My favorite line from that movie - Wednesday comes down the stairs on
> Halloween looking just like Wednesday - she is asked where her Halloween
> costume is, her reply "I'm wearing it. I am a homicidal Maniac, they
> look just like everyone else."
>
> For some reason that line makes me laugh to the point of tears

ROFL! Thanks for reminding me of that line!
I need to watch that movie again. I've got it on DVD......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Nola" > wrote:

> --
> "Better Things for Better Living, Through Chemistry." - DuPont, or Timothy
> Leary?

Wasn't that L. Ron Hubbard?
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Nola wrote:

> Do you understand the "God-hating" is just short-hand for "hates to see
> others receive joy from something that they can't/won't participate in and
> strongly prefers to deny others that joy".
>
> I'm not a particularly regious person, I'm just sick and tired of people who
> whine about being "troubled" by religion being involved in things. Get a
> life, find something to enjoy, quite trying to eliminate religion from
> everything.

Are you familiar with the phrase "separation of church and state"? Or
the concept that out founding fathers were trying to protect the
colonists' desires to escape the King's REQUIREMENT that English
citizens in the 1700s were to be actively involved with the Anglican
Church? They came here to escape force-fed religion. Now that the world
is full up, where do you want people to take their alternate belief
systems to form a new country? American citizens should have a
protected right to be involved in activities freely without worrying
about religious affiliation or shame about believing in something
different. Especially children.

There are many, mnay countries in this world where religion is dictated
by the government. Historically, many people have felt the need to hide
their beliefs and worship in secret. (Examples - formerly communist
china and russia; afghanistan; iran) Here in the U.S., ideally, we
should be able to proudly flaunt our different beliefs and respect one
another, without worrying about discrimination.

I hear ya, though, I can understand why you would be tired of people
trying to follow through the Founding Fathers constitutional beliefs.
C'mon, go find something useful and not prohibited to do! This is
America! OOps, not here, though, this is for Judeo-Christian believers
only. Maybe try over there.

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote
>
> > On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young > wrote:
> >
> >> Boy Scouts around here are in big trouble too ... somehow
> >> their council wound up in a million or two debt.
> >
> > Might have something to do with United Way, which BSA mistakenly
> > hitched their wagon to.
>
> That is one organization I have no use for.
>
> nancy
>
>

Gods.

Ditto here!

They take thousands of $$$ from communities that could put the funds to
FAR better use!!!

Our hospital used to have an annual thing where they offered paycheck
deductions to donate.

Hell no!

Goal was $100,000.00 from that community, and I know for a fact that
there are families that live in dirt floor homes with no plumbing.

Use local money for local problems. UW never did SQUAT for the poor in
our area!

Damn, that'll get me to cussing. I hate those stealing bastids.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> > That is one organization I have no use for.
>
> Likewise. Used to really **** me off, my company's yearly campaign to
> extort money for UW. Monthly payroll deductions, no less. I
> steadfastly refused, choosing to make contributions directly to the
> orgs of my choice.
>
> nb

Ditto here!!!!!!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:42:42 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
> >
> >> Any chance we'll be seeing you in that other newsgroup?
> >
> >Oh I'm there, just mostly lurking.
> >I started that vitamin B-2 thread.
> >I really, really hate that stuff, but I take it anyway.
> >I gag it down right before going to sleep after eating
> >a light meal so it'll sit ok.
> >
> >It makes a noticable difference in my eyesight. It helps
> >with Astigmatism. (sp?)
>
> I don't do supplements as a rule. I do take a multi-vitamin, calcium,
> and 81 mg of aspirin every day, though.
>
> Since I'm not interested in that stuff, I just deleted all the B-2
> posts. Sorry.
>
> Peace,
> Carol

That's ok. :-)
I've personally noted that if I take a multi high in B-complex, it does
a lot for me.

Sux tho' that the B-2 in it stinks so bad, I have to really steel myself
to put it in my mouth. :-P
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
Goomba38 > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > Thin mints.
>
> Frozen thin mints to be more precise! Then tagalongs.. oh wait, trefoils
> with a nice hot cup of tea. That'll do me.

I freeze thin mints too...... ;-d
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Goomba38 wrote:


> On some message boards people insist there are cheaper versions of
> thin mints available year round. I disagree!! NO other cookie is
> quite as perfect as the dark chocolate wafer with the chocolate mint
> coating of the Girl Scouts one. I'd rather do without than have a bad
> substitution. Goomba

I bought some cheap mint chocolate cookies at Family Dollar or one of
those stores. They were surprisingly good. Not exactly Thin Mints by
any means, but not at all bad. I had tried the Keebler Grasshopper
ones, but those have a fudgy coating rather than thin dark chocolate.


Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Nola" > wrote:
>
>> --
>> "Better Things for Better Living, Through Chemistry." - DuPont, or
>> Timothy
>> Leary?
>
> Wasn't that L. Ron Hubbard?

Not sure if LRH did drugs, but the Big Secret of scientology sure sounds
like the product of an addled mind. Here's a recent story from Rolling
Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...player=unknown

And, here's one of the better parts:

Scientologists must be "invited" to do OT III. Beforehand, they are put
through an intensive auditing process to verify that they are ready. They
sign a waiver promising never to reveal the secrets of OT III, nor to hold
Scientology responsible for any trauma or damage one might endure at this
stage of auditing. Finally, they are given a manila folder, which they must
read in a private, locked room.

These materials, which the Church of Scientology has long struggled to keep
secret, were published online by a former member in 1995 and have been
widely circulated in the mainstream media, ranging from The New York Times
to last year's South Park episode. They assert that 75 million years ago, an
evil galactic warlord named Xenu controlled seventy-six planets in this
corner of the galaxy, each of which was severely overpopulated. To solve
this problem, Xenu rounded up 13.5 trillion beings and then flew them to
Earth, where they were dumped into volcanoes around the globe and vaporized
with bombs. This scattered their radioactive souls, or thetans, until they
were caught in electronic traps set up around the atmosphere and "implanted"
with a number of false ideas -- including the concepts of God, Christ and
organized religion. Scientologists later learn that many of these entities
attached themselves to human beings, where they remain to this day, creating
not just the root of all of our emotional and physical problems but the root
of all problems of the modern world.

"Hubbard thought it was important to have a story about how things got
going, similar to the way both Jews and Christians did in the early chapters
of Genesis," says UCLA's Bartchy. "All religion lives from the sense either
that something in life is terribly wrong or is profoundly missing. For the
most part, Christianity has claimed that people have rebelled against God
with the result that they are 'sinners' in need of restoration and that the
world is a very unjust place in need of healing. What Hubbard seems to be
saying is that human beings are really something else -- thetans trapped in
bodies in the material world -- and that Scientology can both wake them up
and save them from this bad situation."

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:05:00 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

>>There is always that line from Adams Family:
>>
>>"Are they made with real Girl Scouts?"
>
> Best line in the movie. Actually, the only line that I remember.

My favorite is:

Wednesday: Please pass the salt.
Morticia: And what do we say?
Wednesday: NOW!

--

-Jeff B.
zoomie at fastmail dot fm

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> >
> > <lol> There has been an ongoing thing on the local radio the past few
> > days... One of our local militant atheists is challenging the Texas
> > constitution.
> >
> > Seems that in order to hold public office, you have to believe in a
> > higher power, so that excludes atheists.
>
> For good reason. You can't have non believers running the state when there are
> morally superior Christians like David Koresh to show us the way.
>
>
>

Score a 10 for excellent sarcasm........ ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "Hubbard thought it was important to have a story about how things got
> going, similar to the way both Jews and Christians did in the early chapters
> of Genesis," says UCLA's Bartchy. "All religion lives from the sense either
> that something in life is terribly wrong or is profoundly missing. For the
> most part, Christianity has claimed that people have rebelled against God
> with the result that they are 'sinners' in need of restoration and that the
> world is a very unjust place in need of healing. What Hubbard seems to be
> saying is that human beings are really something else -- thetans trapped in
> bodies in the material world -- and that Scientology can both wake them up
> and save them from this bad situation."

That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his is
"The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.

There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity etc., that
earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did not evolve here.

Some even theorize that earth was a penal colony, and earth was chosen
specifically due to it's cyclical, massive natural disasters that
totally wipe out civilization periodically so that we cannot advance
enough for our genes to "escape" back into the galactic collective.

Or whatever. <grins>

I don't know what to believe.........

An open mind can gather garbage. <lol>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
Yeff > wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:05:00 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> >>There is always that line from Adams Family:
> >>
> >>"Are they made with real Girl Scouts?"
> >
> > Best line in the movie. Actually, the only line that I remember.
>
> My favorite is:
>
> Wednesday: Please pass the salt.
> Morticia: And what do we say?
> Wednesday: NOW!

;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Nola wrote:

> REVERENT
> A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He
> respects the beliefs of others."
>
> It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If you
> don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no place
> in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
> start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
> choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in their
> life are depriving you of something.

No, they don't, and I don't believe they "require" you to go to church.
My brother did several years as a boy scout & our family never went to
church, but we were not Athiests. Maybe it depends on the troop & what
type of leader is involved.

> Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.

Quite the statement. Sounds a bit, um, hateful to me.

Jude wrote:

> Are you familiar with the phrase "separation of church and state"? Or
> the concept that out founding fathers were trying to protect the
> colonists' desires to escape the King's REQUIREMENT that English
> citizens in the 1700s were to be actively involved with the Anglican
> Church? They came here to escape force-fed religion. Now that the world
> is full up, where do you want people to take their alternate belief
> systems to form a new country? American citizens should have a
> protected right to be involved in activities freely without worrying
> about religious affiliation or shame about believing in something
> different. Especially children.


But the Boy Scouts aren't a state organization. They're a private one.
Sort of like the Augusta National is a private golf club, yet Martha
Burke wanted to force them to admit women. She even was stupid enough to
rant that if they didn't maybe "we ought to move The Masters
elsewhere.." LOL LOL LOL.
Goomba

Yeff wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:05:00 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
>>> There is always that line from Adams Family:
>>>
>>> "Are they made with real Girl Scouts?"
>> Best line in the movie. Actually, the only line that I remember.
>
> My favorite is:
>
> Wednesday: Please pass the salt.
> Morticia: And what do we say?
> Wednesday: NOW!
>
LOL that's mine too!!!

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> > "notbob" > wrote
> >
> > > On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Boy Scouts around here are in big trouble too ... somehow
> > >> their council wound up in a million or two debt.
> > >
> > > Might have something to do with United Way, which BSA mistakenly
> > > hitched their wagon to.
> >
> > That is one organization I have no use for.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> >
>
> Gods.
>
> Ditto here!
>
> They take thousands of $$$ from communities that could put the funds to
> FAR better use!!!
>
> Our hospital used to have an annual thing where they offered paycheck
> deductions to donate.
>
> Hell no!
>
> Goal was $100,000.00 from that community, and I know for a fact that
> there are families that live in dirt floor homes with no plumbing.
>
> Use local money for local problems. UW never did SQUAT for the poor in
> our area!
>
> Damn, that'll get me to cussing. I hate those stealing bastids.
> --
> Peace, Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

I always hated the way this "charitable" organization would get my
management to high pressure the employees to be "generous". Kind of a
"get generous or else" policy! I never contributed.

I've also heard and read the horror stories from many of the charities
they fund, or attempt to fund. A friend of mine who ran a local
charity, known in the area for being extremely effective in dealing
with troubled kids, applied for UF funding when he first started making
a difference and needed more money to expand. He found out quickly that
UF would basically take over direction of his charity, and that the
many requirements he'd have to meet to quality would render him totally
ineffective. He found funding elsewhere!

I've never given UF a nickel, and I'm proud of it.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> Thin mints.
> --
> Peace, Om.
>
To Hell with the Girl Scouts and their trans-fatty cookies.

--Bryan

In article . com>,
"salgud" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >
> > > "notbob" > wrote
> > >
> > > > On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Boy Scouts around here are in big trouble too ... somehow
> > > >> their council wound up in a million or two debt.
> > > >
> > > > Might have something to do with United Way, which BSA mistakenly
> > > > hitched their wagon to.
> > >
> > > That is one organization I have no use for.
> > >
> > > nancy
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Gods.
> >
> > Ditto here!
> >
> > They take thousands of $$$ from communities that could put the funds to
> > FAR better use!!!
> >
> > Our hospital used to have an annual thing where they offered paycheck
> > deductions to donate.
> >
> > Hell no!
> >
> > Goal was $100,000.00 from that community, and I know for a fact that
> > there are families that live in dirt floor homes with no plumbing.
> >
> > Use local money for local problems. UW never did SQUAT for the poor in
> > our area!
> >
> > Damn, that'll get me to cussing. I hate those stealing bastids.
> > --
> > Peace, Om.
> >
> > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> > Nicholson
>
> I always hated the way this "charitable" organization would get my
> management to high pressure the employees to be "generous". Kind of a
> "get generous or else" policy! I never contributed.

Ours never bullied about it... ;-)
Just suggested in the newsletter.
We have too many poor minimum wage workers methinks in housekeeping and
the dining room.

I know they make better than minimum wage, but probably not by much.

>
> I've also heard and read the horror stories from many of the charities
> they fund, or attempt to fund. A friend of mine who ran a local
> charity, known in the area for being extremely effective in dealing
> with troubled kids, applied for UF funding when he first started making
> a difference and needed more money to expand. He found out quickly that
> UF would basically take over direction of his charity, and that the
> many requirements he'd have to meet to quality would render him totally
> ineffective. He found funding elsewhere!
>
> I've never given UF a nickel, and I'm proud of it.

UW. United way... but I get the point. :-)


>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article .com>,
"Food Snob" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > Thin mints.
> > --
> > Peace, Om.
> >
> To Hell with the Girl Scouts and their trans-fatty cookies.
>
> --Bryan
>

Go to hell.

Go straight to hell.

Do not pass go,
do not collect $200.00.....

Thank you for playing and have a nice day!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"Nola" > wrote in message
...
>
> REVERENT
> A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He
> respects the beliefs of others."

Hmmmm...but only if those beliefs match his own, right???


> It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If
> you
> don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no place
> in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
> start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
> choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in
> their
> life are depriving you of something.

What exactly is the "official" religion of BSA? I see no mention of J. H.
Christ, so it's just a general belief in "God"? What God? Different
religions believe in different Gods. What if someone believed in Allah,
rather than the more widely-accepted western idea of God? Allah would be
that person's God. Would that be acceptable to BSA?

Mary

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:


> That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
> Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his is
> "The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.

I'm not aware of that book. There is The Man Who Fell to Earth, but
that wasn't written by Lron.


> There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity etc.,
> that earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did not evolve
> here.

Idiots might believe that.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Food Snob wrote:

>
> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > Thin mints.
> > --
> > Peace, Om.
> >
> To Hell with the Girl Scouts and their trans-fatty cookies.

Oh boo-hoo. Thin Mints have 1 gram trans-fat, to 4 of saturated and 7
total. Whoopty-do.

I forget, why haven't I killfiled your worthless ass? No matter, I'll
take care of it right now.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Denise~*" > wrote in message
...
> Nola wrote:
>
>> REVERENT
>> A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties.
>> He
>> respects the beliefs of others."
>>
>> It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If
>> you
>> don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no
>> place
>> in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
>> start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
>> choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in
>> their
>> life are depriving you of something.
>
> No, they don't, and I don't believe they "require" you to go to church.
> My brother did several years as a boy scout & our family never went to
> church, but we were not Athiests. Maybe it depends on the troop & what
> type of leader is involved.

Definitely. The BSA does not vet its leaders well enough to be sure they
finished high school. Or 6th grade.



>> Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.
>
> Quite the statement. Sounds a bit, um, hateful to me.

I believe it retracted its statement a few minutes ago, in sort of a
roundabout way.

"Nola" > wrote in message
t...

> I believe you are mistaken; my original post was in reply to Stacia, who
> said
> > On 29-Mar-2006, (Glitter Ninja) wrote:
> >> I just have a problem with an organization that requires
> >> religious worship. It's not any of their business whether a family
> >> attends church or not, and if they do, what church they go to.

Stacia's text in no way indicates hatred of god.



> They relate because BSA has as one of its main, clearly set forth
> precepts, the belief in God. They don't require church attendance, nor
> belief in a specific brand of religion. They do understand that atheism
> is not a belief in God. I hope you are no longer confused about how my
> comments relate.

That's correct.



> 1) The scout leader was wrong; though it is perfectly fine in my view for
> BSA to include religion in its programs, it should not take issue with
> which
> "brand" you choose. It is possible to make religious references in a
> non-denominational manner and the leader should be counselled on how such
> things can be handled. As a former corpsman in the military, I have seen
> many non-denominational blessings, services and memorials that handled
> differences sensitively.

If the military can manage this, BSA should be able to do the same.




> 2) I don't know the details surrounding the situation but will venture
> the
> following?
> a. If the religious whatever merit badge has been eliminated, I think
> that is wrong, given the mission of BSA, and effort should be expended
> to return it.
> b. If the leader lied and there is still a religious whatever badge,
> the leader should be counselled and, if necessary thrown out of
> scouting
> for not living up to the Oath and Laws. Though it should be well
> known, it is apparently overlooked by many, scouting is as much about
> building character as anything.
> c. If the leader is mis-informed, the the answer to how to handle
> should be obvious; educate them.

The Unitarian merit badge was eliminated because BSA feels that particular
religion is too tolerant of gays. Nice, eh?

Doug Kanter wrote:

> The Unitarian merit badge was eliminated because BSA feels that particular
> religion is too tolerant of gays. Nice, eh?

....and atheists too, I believe?

In article >,
"Default User" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>
> > That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
> > Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his is
> > "The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.
>
> I'm not aware of that book. There is The Man Who Fell to Earth, but
> that wasn't written by Lron.

Dammit. I got the name wrong... I work nights, been up since 8 PM last
night. WTF was the name of the book about the kid that was raised by
martions, then brought back to earth and he had to adjust to our culture?
The kids name was Michael IRRC. I've not read the book in several
years...

Sorry!

>
>
> > There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity etc.,
> > that earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did not evolve
> > here.
>
> Idiots might believe that.

Who's to say they are wrong? ;-)

I'm not saying I believe that, just that I am open to any possibility.

>
>
>
> Brian
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:

> Definitely. The BSA does not vet its leaders well enough to be sure they
> finished high school. Or 6th grade.

What does education have to do with it? If a person takes on the
responsibility of taking boys/girls under their wing to provide moral
leadership and gives of their time and energy, why should education be
a criteria?

> I believe it retracted its statement.....

"it"?

nb

Jude wrote:

>
> Are you familiar with the phrase "separation of church and state"? Or
> the concept that out founding fathers were trying to protect the
> colonists' desires to escape the King's REQUIREMENT that English
> citizens in the 1700s were to be actively involved with the Anglican
> Church? They came here to escape force-fed religion.

Sort of. The Puritans came to set up religious colonies where they could force
feed their own religion. A few years after starting the Massachusetts colony the
same religious group rebelled back in England and there was a civil war. They
killed the king because he was too sympathetic to Catholics and they imposed
their brand of Protestantism on everyone else. Some of the famous slaughters that
the Irish carry on about to this day were carried out by the Roundhat army of the
Puritans.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
news
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> The Unitarian merit badge was eliminated because BSA feels that
>> particular religion is too tolerant of gays. Nice, eh?
>
> ...and atheists too, I believe?

I doubt there was ever a merit badge for atheists, considering the BSA's
general stance on religion.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:
>
> > Definitely. The BSA does not vet its leaders well enough to be sure they
> > finished high school. Or 6th grade.
>
> What does education have to do with it? If a person takes on the
> responsibility of taking boys/girls under their wing to provide moral
> leadership and gives of their time and energy, why should education be
> a criteria?

I agree... ;-)

Wisdom is not earned by formal education.
Sometimes quite the opposite.

Yeah I have a 4 year BS degree but I went to the school of hard knocks
before I decided it was in my best interest to go back to school.

Even now I know well educated morons... Much to my sorrow.

>
> > I believe it retracted its statement.....
>
> "it"?

All genders are neutral on usenet. <lol>
Unless it's proven otherwise!
I can provide references at least. <G>
Some of my very best freinds have been met via the internet.

>
> nb
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> "Default User" > wrote:
>
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> >
> > > That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
> > > Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his
> > > is "The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.
> >
> > I'm not aware of that book. There is The Man Who Fell to Earth, but
> > that wasn't written by Lron.
>
> Dammit. I got the name wrong... I work nights, been up since 8 PM
> last night. WTF was the name of the book about the kid that was
> raised by martions, then brought back to earth and he had to adjust
> to our culture? The kids name was Michael IRRC. I've not read the
> book in several years...

Stranger in a Strange Land, perhaps? That was a Heinlein.


> > > There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity
> > > etc., that earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did
> > > not evolve here.
> >
> > Idiots might believe that.
>
> Who's to say they are wrong? ;-)

It has about as much credibility as creationism, in that you have
completely ignore all the real evidence in favor of magical crap.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:
>
>> Definitely. The BSA does not vet its leaders well enough to be sure they
>> finished high school. Or 6th grade.

While I agree that formal education is just a small part of life's learning
process, there *are* certain things one may not learn without exposure to
subjects like logic, math, writing, etc. Look at some of the insane
conclusions people come to here on usenet, or in public life. My cat's got
better reasoning powers than some people.

But, my comment was aimed primarily at the boy scout leader my son wasted
time with. The woman was a complete idiot, and that is fact, not opinion.



> What does education have to do with it? If a person takes on the
> responsibility of taking boys/girls under their wing to provide moral
> leadership and gives of their time and energy, why should education be
> a criteria?
>
>> I believe it retracted its statement.....
>
> "it"?

I'm being gender-sensitive. I have no idea what Nola's gender is.

On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:
> there *are* certain things one may not learn without exposure to
> subjects like logic.....

Basic logic requires no formal education.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:
>> there *are* certain things one may not learn without exposure to
>> subjects like logic.....
>
> Basic logic requires no formal education.
>
> nb

Well, where do you think it comes from, since so many people have none of
it?

In article >,
"Default User" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Default User" > wrote:
> >
> > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
> > > > Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his
> > > > is "The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.
> > >
> > > I'm not aware of that book. There is The Man Who Fell to Earth, but
> > > that wasn't written by Lron.
> >
> > Dammit. I got the name wrong... I work nights, been up since 8 PM
> > last night. WTF was the name of the book about the kid that was
> > raised by martions, then brought back to earth and he had to adjust
> > to our culture? The kids name was Michael IRRC. I've not read the
> > book in several years...
>
> Stranger in a Strange Land, perhaps? That was a Heinlein.

THANK YOU!!!
So many of my wicca and sci-fi books got destroyed in that damned flood.
:-( I need to do some re-ordering of Heinlein and Scott Cunningham.

>
>
> > > > There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity
> > > > etc., that earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did
> > > > not evolve here.
> > >
> > > Idiots might believe that.
> >
> > Who's to say they are wrong? ;-)
>
> It has about as much credibility as creationism, in that you have
> completely ignore all the real evidence in favor of magical crap.
>
>
>
> Brian

Not really... Even the fossil evidence does not explain the extreme
racial diversity?

I'm not a believer in that concept, just playing devil's advocate.

It's fun. <G>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:
> > there *are* certain things one may not learn without exposure to
> > subjects like logic.....
>
> Basic logic requires no formal education.
>
> nb

Agreed!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter > wrote:
> >> there *are* certain things one may not learn without exposure to
> >> subjects like logic.....
> >
> > Basic logic requires no formal education.
> >
> > nb
>
> Well, where do you think it comes from, since so many people have none of
> it?
>
>

The X chromosome. <smirk>

Om -> Gotta go get at least 3 hours sleep for work tonight. <sigh>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson