"Old Mother Ashby" > wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>>Jewish funerals are the best... no food except maybe plain sponge cake,
>>but everyone gets plastered to the gills on Fleishman's rye whiskey and
>>Slivavitz.
>>
>>
> I think you'd need to get plastered. I've only ever been to one Jewish
> funeral, and I didn't go to anything afterwards (actually it was all
> terribly complicated, the deceased was *** and his parents wouldn't
> acknowledge his partner), but the funeral was just the bleakest I've ever
> been to, cold and comfortless both physically and ceremonially.
>
> By way of cheerng us up I am reminded of an allegedly Jewish joke that
> actually has universal application.
>
> The rabbi is on holiday and his locum has to do a funeral for a chap he's
> never met. Before the ceremony he approaches members of the congregation
> for information about the deceased so that he can run up a eulogy. Every
> comment is negative. Time's getting on so he has to proceed. Comes the
> appropriate moment and he asks the mourners "Does nobody have anything
> positive to say about this man?" After a minute an old guy in the back row
> raises his hand and says "His brother was worse!"
>
> Christine

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> MareCat wrote:
>
>>
>> I've only ever been to two funerals -- one for a coworker who died of a
>> heart attack at the age of 35, and one for a friend who died of stomach
>> cancer at the age of 46. Everyone else who's ever been close to me is
>> still
>> living.
>
> Consider yourself lucky. My parents used to take us to family funerals
> (great
> aunts and great uncles) from the time I was very young. I was a pall
> bearer at
> the funeral of my best friend who was killed in a motorcycle accident when
> I was
> 14,

At about that age, I went to my best friend's mother's funeral. I had spent
the last year watching the woman die of breast cancer. Before that, I spent
a lot of time at the house, and I always thought she was the nicest, most
perfect mom ever.

and again 4 months later for another friend who was killed in a car
> accident. I hate funerals, but attendance is, IMO, a matter of doing the
> right
> thing, whether you like funerals or not.

It's doing the right thing, up to a point. Some people manage to cause so
much commotion at a wake or funeral that the family would be better off
without them attending. I can recall a certain ex-husband and wife who
nearly caused a brawl at one funeral, and another sister who wailed and
cried and carried on at the loss of her brother so much that you'd think she
lost her best and only true friend. Even though she hadn't found the time or
energy to pick up the phone and call that brother for a good 10-15 years.
The dramatics weren't appreciated by the family members who were truly
mourning.

And if someone is just naturally over-emotional or maybe has had a recent
loss themselves and aren't under good emotional control, it might be better
to skip the wake or funeral and send flowers or whatever.

Aside from being flooded with old and
> sad memories at funerals, the services themselves just **** me right off.
> Ministers always use the services as an opportunity to push their
> mythology and
> try to explain the their god has a reason for the person's death.

Whoever is in charge of the wake/funeral gets input into the service. Or at
least that's been my experience. If the deceased & family are very
religious, the service is, too. If the family isn't all that religious (and
if the minister is willing to go along with family wishes) the service ends
up being more of a memorial and less of a religious service.

>
>> We attended a "dead spread" luncheon at the home of the 46-year-old
>> friend's
>> widow after the funeral. All of the close friends and family were asked
>> to
>> bring a dish to pass. I brought King Ranch Chicken and peach cobbler.
>> Lots
>> and lots of people attended, so there was *tons* of all sorts of food and
>> copious amounts of alcohol.
>
> A few people in my wife's family have done memorial cocktail parties
> instead of
> funerals or wakes.
>

A friend's brother's wake included buddies standing around the coffin doing
shots. I wasn't there when it happened, but it was reported by several
others who were there. I believe that at some point, the deceased also had a
lit joint in his lips.

Donna

In article >,
projectile vomit chick > wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:12:46 GMT, in rec.food.cooking, "Edwin
> Pawlowski" > hit the crackpipe and declared:
> >
> >"projectile vomit chick" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> *slaps forehead*
> >>
> >> How tacky.
> >
> >Yeah, what were those good hearted people thinking? Before you attend a
> >funeral, do you get a menu for the traditional meal afterwards first to see
> >if you want to attend?

> No, but I've never been to a funeral where KFC was served. Did they
> have checkered tablecloths on picnic tables with folding chairs and
> beer coolers, too?

KFC in particular or fried chicken in general? Around here the Dead
Spreads are generally sandwiches, bar cookies, fruit -- hotdish less
frequently. A neighbor's mom died and the luncheon after her funeral
service was a fried chicken dinner - slaw, spuds & gravy, beans -- the
whole deal. Nice. It wasn't KFC but it could have been. Uncommon but
not unusual.
--
-Barb
<http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 4-20-2006 with our visit
to Kramarczuk's.
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

"D.Currie" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MareCat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> My extended family all lived far away from us while I was growing up, so
>> either just my mom or my dad attended the funerals of my grandparents.
>> I've lost one aunt and one uncle in recent years, but I wasn't close to
>> either of them, and so didn't make the trips across country to attend
>> those funerals. And as amazing as it sounds, I don't remember my parents
>> losing any of their friends while I was growing up.
>>
>> Mary
>
> Distance plays a part, for sure. Traveling across the country isn't very
> practical on short notice. Could be, too, that your parents didn't say
> much to you about people dying, where mine would bring me with.

There just weren't many funerals for them to attend back then (luckily). In
fact, the vast majority of the friends my parents had while I was growing up
are still alive today (ages ~ 60 - 70).

Mary

"D.Currie" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Aside from being flooded with old and
>> sad memories at funerals, the services themselves just **** me right off.
>> Ministers always use the services as an opportunity to push their
>> mythology and
>> try to explain the their god has a reason for the person's death.
>
> Whoever is in charge of the wake/funeral gets input into the service. Or
> at least that's been my experience. If the deceased & family are very
> religious, the service is, too. If the family isn't all that religious
> (and if the minister is willing to go along with family wishes) the
> service ends up being more of a memorial and less of a religious service.

At the memorial service for my friend who died of stomach cancer, family and
close friends took turns standing up in front and talking about their
experiences with him and how he touched their lives. His favorite songs
played in the background throughout the service. He wasn't religious at all,
so the service wasn't, either. No minister up there preaching. It was very,
very nice.

Mary

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "maxine in ri" > wrote:

> > Barb was not clear. Send the CLO a check once you get/got home. When
> > you're grieving, they're not gonna take your money.
> >
> > maxine in ri
>
> Whaddaya mean I wasn't clear? Her post was written in the past tense,
> my response was in the present tense. (Or does the if-then concept make
> it future?) *-)
> --
> -Barb

Hey! Don't get all tense with me! Her response to your first post
didn't seem to show comprehension of the situation, but as she has
pointed out since, she knew what we both were talking about before we
mentioned it.

She's a nice lady, and whether or not you agree, so are you!

maxine in ri

jmcquown wrote:

> My parents will have an attendance, I'm sure, unless their friends die
> before they do. I'm pretty sure no one *will* bother to attend my funeral
> except immediate family, whoever is left. I don't want a memorial service
> or a church thing. I don't go to church; my parents never took us to
> church. If someone wants to throw a party to celebrate the fact that I'm
> gone, that's fine with me. But I don't expect my family to feed a bunch of
> people. It's simply not what we grew up with.
>
> Jill

Funerals aren't so much for the dead as for the living. If you leave
no one behind, be they relatives or friends, then there's no need for
any kind of gathering.

Different familys and cultures have different expectations for their
dead. Yours sounds kind of cold and uncaring to me, but if it is what
you are familiar with and comfortable with, that's certainly your
right.

My husband doesn't understand my desire to keep a kosher home, but he
respects my right to do so.

to each their own.
maxine in ri

In article >,
"MareCat" > wrote:

> "D.Currie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > Aside from being flooded with old and
> >> sad memories at funerals, the services themselves just **** me right off.
> >> Ministers always use the services as an opportunity to push their
> >> mythology and
> >> try to explain the their god has a reason for the person's death.
> >
> > Whoever is in charge of the wake/funeral gets input into the service. Or
> > at least that's been my experience. If the deceased & family are very
> > religious, the service is, too. If the family isn't all that religious
> > (and if the minister is willing to go along with family wishes) the
> > service ends up being more of a memorial and less of a religious service.
>
> At the memorial service for my friend who died of stomach cancer, family and
> close friends took turns standing up in front and talking about their
> experiences with him and how he touched their lives. His favorite songs
> played in the background throughout the service. He wasn't religious at all,
> so the service wasn't, either. No minister up there preaching. It was very,
> very nice.

If the person was religious, what's the problem with a religious
service? You don't have to go.

I've only been to a couple funerals, but when the person wasn't
religious is when I snicker at the religious funeral. It wouldn't faze
me to go to a non-relgious funeral, if that was how the person was, and
I am pretty traditionally religious, so why does it get so many people's
knickers in a knot to attend a religious one?

Regards,
Ranee

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"MareCat" > wrote in message
...
> "D.Currie" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "MareCat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> My extended family all lived far away from us while I was growing up, so
>>> either just my mom or my dad attended the funerals of my grandparents.
>>> I've lost one aunt and one uncle in recent years, but I wasn't close to
>>> either of them, and so didn't make the trips across country to attend
>>> those funerals. And as amazing as it sounds, I don't remember my parents
>>> losing any of their friends while I was growing up.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>> Distance plays a part, for sure. Traveling across the country isn't very
>> practical on short notice. Could be, too, that your parents didn't say
>> much to you about people dying, where mine would bring me with.
>
> There just weren't many funerals for them to attend back then (luckily).
> In fact, the vast majority of the friends my parents had while I was
> growing up are still alive today (ages ~ 60 - 70).
>
> Mary
>

My parents had me late in life, so they had older peers and friends. To be
honest, I don't really know whose funerals we were going to when I was a
kid. They all seemed to be relatives, but if I do a head count of my
parents' siblings, most of them were still alive when I was a little older.
Some did die when I was a kid, but not enough to account for all the wakes
and funerals. But it was mostly always the same bunch of people who showed
up for these things, so they must have been relatives of some sort.

Donna

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "MareCat" > wrote:
>
>> "D.Currie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> > Aside from being flooded with old and
>> >> sad memories at funerals, the services themselves just **** me right
>> >> off.
>> >> Ministers always use the services as an opportunity to push their
>> >> mythology and
>> >> try to explain the their god has a reason for the person's death.
>> >
>> > Whoever is in charge of the wake/funeral gets input into the service.
>> > Or
>> > at least that's been my experience. If the deceased & family are very
>> > religious, the service is, too. If the family isn't all that religious
>> > (and if the minister is willing to go along with family wishes) the
>> > service ends up being more of a memorial and less of a religious
>> > service.
>>
>> At the memorial service for my friend who died of stomach cancer, family
>> and
>> close friends took turns standing up in front and talking about their
>> experiences with him and how he touched their lives. His favorite songs
>> played in the background throughout the service. He wasn't religious at
>> all,
>> so the service wasn't, either. No minister up there preaching. It was
>> very,
>> very nice.
>
> If the person was religious, what's the problem with a religious
> service? You don't have to go.
>
> I've only been to a couple funerals, but when the person wasn't
> religious is when I snicker at the religious funeral.

I think some people do that because although the person wasn't religious,
the people left behind are, and they want it done their way. Or, in some
cases the funeral homes can contact a minister to do the service, and they
might not have a clear picture of who the deceased was, so they go along
with what the family wants rather than what the deceased might have
preferred.

And some people go the religious route because they think they have to.


It wouldn't faze
> me to go to a non-relgious funeral, if that was how the person was, and
> I am pretty traditionally religious, so why does it get so many people's
> knickers in a knot to attend a religious one?
>

Doesn't bother me either way. The service is supposed to be a comfort for
the close family. If the other people attending aren't of the same beliefs,
it all might seem a little odd/disturbing/annoying, but the service is
really for the family. Once I'm gone, whoever is left can do what they want
that will make them happy.

Donna

In article . com>,
"maxine in ri" > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article .com>,
> > "maxine in ri" > wrote:
>
> > > Barb was not clear. Send the CLO a check once you get/got home. When
> > > you're grieving, they're not gonna take your money.
> > >
> > > maxine in ri
> >
> > Whaddaya mean I wasn't clear? Her post was written in the past tense,
> > my response was in the present tense. (Or does the if-then concept make
> > it future?) *-)
> > --
> > -Barb
>
> Hey! Don't get all tense with me! Her response to your first post
> didn't seem to show comprehension of the situation, but as she has
> pointed out since, she knew what we both were talking about before we
> mentioned it.
>
> She's a nice lady, and whether or not you agree, so are you!
>
> maxine in ri

I was teasing you, Toots. Note the wink at the end.
(And I'm not as nice as most people used to think.) :-)
--
-Barb
<http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 4-20-2006 with our visit
to Kramarczuk's.
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "MareCat" > wrote:
>>
>> At the memorial service for my friend who died of stomach cancer, family
>> and
>> close friends took turns standing up in front and talking about their
>> experiences with him and how he touched their lives. His favorite songs
>> played in the background throughout the service. He wasn't religious at
>> all,
>> so the service wasn't, either. No minister up there preaching. It was
>> very,
>> very nice.
>
> If the person was religious, what's the problem with a religious
> service? You don't have to go.
>
> I've only been to a couple funerals, but when the person wasn't
> religious is when I snicker at the religious funeral. It wouldn't faze
> me to go to a non-relgious funeral, if that was how the person was, and
> I am pretty traditionally religious, so why does it get so many people's
> knickers in a knot to attend a religious one?

I wouldn't have a problem attending a religious funeral, just as I've never
had a problem attending a religious wedding or anything else, even though I
am not religious. This particular service just seemed to fit my friend in so
many ways. He was such a warm-hearted, wonderful person, and it really was
such a nice tribute to him.

OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and served with
roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.

Mary

On Thu 27 Apr 2006 02:42:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it MareCat?

> OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and served
> with roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.
>
> Mary

And the recipe for those stuffed cabbage rolls, Mary? Sounds delicious!

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 02:42:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it MareCat?
>
>> OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and served
>> with roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.
>>
>> Mary
>
> And the recipe for those stuffed cabbage rolls, Mary? Sounds delicious!

No recipe, just ground beef, barley (uncooked), chopped onion, couple dashes
of worchestershire, some pureed tomatoes, and s/p rolled in cabbage leaves
and layered in a pot with roughly chopped cabbage and tomato sauce mixed
with diced tomatoes, garlic, and seasonings. I usually simmer this in a
Dutch oven, but today I crockpotted it. Turned out quite yummy.

Mary

On Thu 27 Apr 2006 09:15:39p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it MareCat?

> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> 28.19...
>> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 02:42:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>> MareCat?
>>
>>> OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and served
>>> with roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>> And the recipe for those stuffed cabbage rolls, Mary? Sounds
>> delicious!
>
> No recipe, just ground beef, barley (uncooked), chopped onion, couple
> dashes of worchestershire, some pureed tomatoes, and s/p rolled in
> cabbage leaves and layered in a pot with roughly chopped cabbage and
> tomato sauce mixed with diced tomatoes, garlic, and seasonings. I
> usually simmer this in a Dutch oven, but today I crockpotted it. Turned
> out quite yummy.
>
> Mary

Thanks, Mary. Would you use about the same amount of uncooked barley as
uncooked rice? I'm looking forward to making this!

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

maxine in ri wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> My parents will have an attendance, I'm sure, unless their friends
>> die before they do. I'm pretty sure no one *will* bother to attend
>> my funeral except immediate family, whoever is left. I don't want a
>> memorial service or a church thing. I don't go to church; my
>> parents never took us to church. If someone wants to throw a party
>> to celebrate the fact that I'm gone, that's fine with me. But I
>> don't expect my family to feed a bunch of people. It's simply not
>> what we grew up with.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Funerals aren't so much for the dead as for the living. If you leave
> no one behind, be they relatives or friends, then there's no need for
> any kind of gathering.
>
> Different familys and cultures have different expectations for their
> dead. Yours sounds kind of cold and uncaring to me, but if it is what
> you are familiar with and comfortable with, that's certainly your
> right.
>
I know it sounds cold. But you have to consider we moved every year or two.
It doesn't make for forming especially long friendships. For example, I
have no idea where anyone I went to high school or college with might be. I
know a few moved away and we lost touch.

My parents, my two brothers and I haven't seen any other family members in
over 30 years. In fact, I have an aunt and uncle and cousins I've never
met. Everyone is far-flung across the country. My two best friends both
moved away years ago. I have some casual friends in the area but we don't
hang out on a regular basis. So in the event of my demise, there would
probably be no one to feed.

> My husband doesn't understand my desire to keep a kosher home, but he
> respects my right to do so.
>
> to each their own.
> maxine in ri

On Thu 27 Apr 2006 10:33:03p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it jmcquown?

> maxine in ri wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> My parents will have an attendance, I'm sure, unless their friends
>>> die before they do. I'm pretty sure no one *will* bother to attend
>>> my funeral except immediate family, whoever is left. I don't want a
>>> memorial service or a church thing. I don't go to church; my
>>> parents never took us to church. If someone wants to throw a party
>>> to celebrate the fact that I'm gone, that's fine with me. But I
>>> don't expect my family to feed a bunch of people. It's simply not
>>> what we grew up with.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Funerals aren't so much for the dead as for the living. If you leave
>> no one behind, be they relatives or friends, then there's no need for
>> any kind of gathering.
>>
>> Different familys and cultures have different expectations for their
>> dead. Yours sounds kind of cold and uncaring to me, but if it is what
>> you are familiar with and comfortable with, that's certainly your
>> right.
>>
> I know it sounds cold. But you have to consider we moved every year or
> two. It doesn't make for forming especially long friendships. For
> example, I have no idea where anyone I went to high school or college
> with might be. I know a few moved away and we lost touch.
>
> My parents, my two brothers and I haven't seen any other family members
> in over 30 years. In fact, I have an aunt and uncle and cousins I've
> never met. Everyone is far-flung across the country. My two best
> friends both moved away years ago. I have some casual friends in the
> area but we don't hang out on a regular basis. So in the event of my
> demise, there would probably be no one to feed.

I understand your POV, Jill, and I'm pretty much in the same boat. My
parents had many friends, and following each of their funerals there were
large gatherings and meals with family and friends. However, I'm an only
child and have been estranged from what remains of my family for some time.
Although David has a lot of family, they are not close, so for the most
part we just have each other. We do not have close friends. In the case
of either of our deaths, I don't expect to have much going on following our
funerals.

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

jmcquown wrote:

> My parents, my two brothers and I haven't seen any other family members in
> over 30 years. In fact, I have an aunt and uncle and cousins I've never
> met. Everyone is far-flung across the country. My two best friends both
> moved away years ago. I have some casual friends in the area but we don't
> hang out on a regular basis. So in the event of my demise, there would
> probably be no one to feed.

My father in law was American, the youngest son in a large family, moved to
Canada in his 20s and married late. He was almost 50 when my wife was born. She
had two aunts in the US who she knew well, but one died in a plane crash in the
50s. They were close to the son and daughter of the other aunt, still are to the
daughter, the son died 15 years ago. She has only met one her uncles on her
father's side and never met any of the other cousins. She has no idea where they
are.

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 09:15:39p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it MareCat?
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>> 28.19...
>>> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 02:42:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>>> MareCat?
>>>
>>>> OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and served
>>>> with roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>
>>> And the recipe for those stuffed cabbage rolls, Mary? Sounds
>>> delicious!
>>
>> No recipe, just ground beef, barley (uncooked), chopped onion, couple
>> dashes of worchestershire, some pureed tomatoes, and s/p rolled in
>> cabbage leaves and layered in a pot with roughly chopped cabbage and
>> tomato sauce mixed with diced tomatoes, garlic, and seasonings. I
>> usually simmer this in a Dutch oven, but today I crockpotted it. Turned
>> out quite yummy.
>>
>> Mary
>
> Thanks, Mary. Would you use about the same amount of uncooked barley as
> uncooked rice? I'm looking forward to making this!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
> _____________________

I've not made cabbage rolls in years, but I know that I was never able to
make the kind of sauce that was always dished up in the restaurants and
cafeteria of the times (the 50's) when it appeared on just about every menu.
This tomato sauce leaned toward being a little orange, but still a nice
bright red, and was always shimmery, maybe like it had arrowroot vs.
cornstarch - rather than sauce that was darkish red (with the slightest
hint of brown possibly). I always wanted to make that type of sauce to
spoon over the rolls, but never accomplished it.

As I write this, my mouth is watering. But I'll never pull cabbage leaves
off again. This is one of the chores that would come under the subject of a
few days ago - things you would/will never do again.

Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and close my
eyes when serving. Tee hee.
Dee Dee

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article . com>,
> "maxine in ri" > wrote:
>
> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > > In article .com>,
> > > "maxine in ri" > wrote:
> >
> > > > Barb was not clear. Send the CLO a check once you get/got home. When
> > > > you're grieving, they're not gonna take your money.
> > > >
> > > > maxine in ri
> > >
> > > Whaddaya mean I wasn't clear? Her post was written in the past tense,
> > > my response was in the present tense. (Or does the if-then concept make
> > > it future?) *-)
> > > --
> > > -Barb
> >
> > Hey! Don't get all tense with me! Her response to your first post
> > didn't seem to show comprehension of the situation, but as she has
> > pointed out since, she knew what we both were talking about before we
> > mentioned it.
> >
> > She's a nice lady, and whether or not you agree, so are you!
> >
> > maxine in ri
>
> I was teasing you, Toots. Note the wink at the end.
> (And I'm not as nice as most people used to think.) :-)
> --
> -Barb

I think I wrote that last night when I thought I was coming down with
something. I missed a number of punctuation marks, like the quotes
around "tense" and my winky face at the end. Put it down to the
chills.

and you're right, you're not a nice as most people used to think.
You're nicer!
Hugs,
maxine

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
28.19...
> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 09:15:39p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it MareCat?
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>> 28.19...
>>> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 02:42:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>>> MareCat?
>>>
>>>> OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and served
>>>> with roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>
>>> And the recipe for those stuffed cabbage rolls, Mary? Sounds
>>> delicious!
>>
>> No recipe, just ground beef, barley (uncooked), chopped onion, couple
>> dashes of worchestershire, some pureed tomatoes, and s/p rolled in
>> cabbage leaves and layered in a pot with roughly chopped cabbage and
>> tomato sauce mixed with diced tomatoes, garlic, and seasonings. I
>> usually simmer this in a Dutch oven, but today I crockpotted it. Turned
>> out quite yummy.
>>
>> Mary
>
> Thanks, Mary. Would you use about the same amount of uncooked barley as
> uncooked rice? I'm looking forward to making this!

Yep, about the same. We love barley here and have it at least once a week.

Mary

In article >,
"Dee Randall" > wrote:

> Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and close my
> eyes when serving. Tee hee.

Well, you could chop up the cabbage and layer the ingredients and
cook it like that.

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Ranee

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On Fri 28 Apr 2006 08:38:06a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it MareCat?

> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> 28.19...
>> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 09:15:39p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>> MareCat?
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> 28.19...
>>>> On Thu 27 Apr 2006 02:42:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>>>> MareCat?
>>>>
>>>>> OB Food: Cabbage rolls stuffed with ground beef and barley and
>>>>> served with roasted potatoes and salad for dinner tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> And the recipe for those stuffed cabbage rolls, Mary? Sounds
>>>> delicious!
>>>
>>> No recipe, just ground beef, barley (uncooked), chopped onion, couple
>>> dashes of worchestershire, some pureed tomatoes, and s/p rolled in
>>> cabbage leaves and layered in a pot with roughly chopped cabbage and
>>> tomato sauce mixed with diced tomatoes, garlic, and seasonings. I
>>> usually simmer this in a Dutch oven, but today I crockpotted it.
>>> Turned out quite yummy.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>> Thanks, Mary. Would you use about the same amount of uncooked barley
>> as uncooked rice? I'm looking forward to making this!
>
> Yep, about the same. We love barley here and have it at least once a
> week.
>
> Mary

Thanks, Mary. That's what I thought, but I have always just cooked and
served barley on its own with mushrooms or in soup. Wasn't positive about
the quantity. I love barley. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Thanks, Mary. That's what I thought, but I have always just cooked and
> served barley on its own with mushrooms or in soup. Wasn't positive about
> the quantity. I love barley. :-)

My wife used to cook a barley pilaff. As close as I remember, she used to toss
some butter into a hot pan and sauté the barley and mushroom, add some beef
stock and then stuck it into the oven. She hasn't made it in a long time
because the doctor told her that she is allergic to mushrooms. I loved that
pilaff.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:40:14 -0700, Ranee Mueller
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "Dee Randall" > wrote:
>
>> Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and close my
>> eyes when serving. Tee hee.
>
> Well, you could chop up the cabbage and layer the ingredients and
>cook it like that.

I *always* do it that way. Cabbage casserole. Use your favourite
cabbage roll recipe, but do it like this:

Chop up the cabbage, and toss it in a huge cast iron casserole dish.
Mix cooked rice with the raw ground beef/lamb/whatever, and pile it on
top of the cabbage, leaving some space around the edge of the meat for
some of the sauce to drip down.
Mix up your tomato sauce, and pour it over the meat.
Turn your oven on to 225 or so, and cook the casserole (with a lid on)
for at least 3 hours.

This makes excellent leftovers, and it freezes extremely well.

Jo Anne

Dee Randall wrote:
> As I write this, my mouth is watering. But I'll never pull cabbage
> leaves off again. This is one of the chores that would come under
> the subject of a few days ago - things you would/will never do again.
>
> Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and
> close my eyes when serving. Tee hee.
> Dee Dee

If I were a psychologist (and no, I don't play one on TV!) I would wonder
what the big deal is about pulling off cabbage leaves. My biggest problem
was the cabbage leaves would snap until Mom told me to just par-boil the
cabbage about 10 minutes then plunge it in cold water. Then slam (yes, I
said slam) it down on the counter or cutting board to loosen the leaves from
the core. (My own interpretation: take out your anger on the cabbage.)
From there you cut away the core and the leaves just sort of fall off. And
they are the perfect texture to be stuffed and rolled.

Mom didn't use barley, she used rice. I think I'd prefer barley. And she
poured tomato juice over the top rather than pureed tomatoes or tomato
sauce. These days I might be inclined to use V-8 juice.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Mary. That's what I thought, but I have always just cooked
>> and served barley on its own with mushrooms or in soup. Wasn't
>> positive about the quantity. I love barley. :-)
>
> My wife used to cook a barley pilaff. As close as I remember, she
> used to toss some butter into a hot pan and sauté the barley and
> mushroom, add some beef stock and then stuck it into the oven. She
> hasn't made it in a long time because the doctor told her that she is
> allergic to mushrooms. I loved that pilaff.

You surely can make it without mushrooms and also interchange beef stock
with chicken stock with vegetable stock. Makes a really nice side dish and
it's a great change from rice.

Jill

On Fri 28 Apr 2006 06:00:00p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it jmcquown?

> Dee Randall wrote:
>> As I write this, my mouth is watering. But I'll never pull cabbage
>> leaves off again. This is one of the chores that would come under
>> the subject of a few days ago - things you would/will never do again.
>>
>> Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and
>> close my eyes when serving. Tee hee.
>> Dee Dee
>
> If I were a psychologist (and no, I don't play one on TV!) I would
> wonder what the big deal is about pulling off cabbage leaves. My
> biggest problem was the cabbage leaves would snap until Mom told me to
> just par-boil the cabbage about 10 minutes then plunge it in cold water.
> Then slam (yes, I said slam) it down on the counter or cutting board to
> loosen the leaves from the core. (My own interpretation: take out your
> anger on the cabbage.) From there you cut away the core and the leaves
> just sort of fall off. And they are the perfect texture to be stuffed
> and rolled.

I wondered about that, too. I've used several different methods for
removing the leaves, but never had a problem with any of them. Regardless
of method, it's very little effort. My preference is to skewer the core of
the cabbage on a large pot fork, then hold it down in a large pot of
boiling water until the outermost leaves are slightly softened. I cut
through those leaves at the attachment with a sharp knife then remove them
to a platter. Returning the cabbage to the water, I work each layer of
leaves as they soften. It takes 8-10 minutes at most to do this. I like
this method because the leaves are all uniformly cooked, rather than a
gradual degree of softness from outside to inside.

> Mom didn't use barley, she used rice. I think I'd prefer barley. And
> she poured tomato juice over the top rather than pureed tomatoes or
> tomato sauce. These days I might be inclined to use V-8 juice.

I've always used rice, but I'm anxious to try the barley. As to the sauce,
I use a combination of canned tomato soup, V-8 juice, diced tomatoes, and a
bit of chicken broth, the juice of a lemon, and a bit of brown sugar.

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

"Jo Anne Slaven" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:40:14 -0700, Ranee Mueller
> > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> "Dee Randall" > wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and
>>> close my
>>> eyes when serving. Tee hee.
>>
>> Well, you could chop up the cabbage and layer the ingredients and
>>cook it like that.
>
> I *always* do it that way. Cabbage casserole. Use your favourite
> cabbage roll recipe, but do it like this:
>
> Chop up the cabbage, and toss it in a huge cast iron casserole dish.
> Mix cooked rice with the raw ground beef/lamb/whatever, and pile it on
> top of the cabbage, leaving some space around the edge of the meat for
> some of the sauce to drip down.
> Mix up your tomato sauce, and pour it over the meat.
> Turn your oven on to 225 or so, and cook the casserole (with a lid on)
> for at least 3 hours.
>
> This makes excellent leftovers, and it freezes extremely well.
>
> Jo Anne

Thanks, Jo Anne, I've been looking for something else to do with cabbage.
I've vowed to have either cabbage, cauliflower or broccoli every day.

For those Asian cooks, I don't know where the line is drawn as to whether a
green is a cabbage or a mustard-type green.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:
>
> I've not made cabbage rolls in years,
>
> But I'll never pull cabbage leaves
> off again. This is one of the chores that would come under the subject of a
> few days ago - things you would/will never do again.

Freeze the entire head. When thawed cut out the core, The leaves will
be nicely pliable and easily removed without tearing.

Do not attempt to remove cabbage cores by slamming on a hard surface as
is done with iceberg lettuce... doesn't work with cabbage even if
parpoiled... anyone lays claim to doing it that way is a liar.

Sheldon

jmcquown wrote:

> Dee Randall wrote:
>
>>As I write this, my mouth is watering. But I'll never pull cabbage
>>leaves off again. This is one of the chores that would come under
>>the subject of a few days ago - things you would/will never do again.
>>
>>Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and
>>close my eyes when serving. Tee hee.
>>Dee Dee
>
>
> If I were a psychologist (and no, I don't play one on TV!) I would wonder
> what the big deal is about pulling off cabbage leaves. My biggest problem
> was the cabbage leaves would snap until Mom told me to just par-boil the
> cabbage about 10 minutes then plunge it in cold water. Then slam (yes, I
> said slam) it down on the counter or cutting board to loosen the leaves from
> the core. (My own interpretation: take out your anger on the cabbage.)
> From there you cut away the core and the leaves just sort of fall off. And
> they are the perfect texture to be stuffed and rolled.

Why do I find this one funny? You don't work and can't work and can't
find work 'cause you are f*cking lazy. You a psychologist? What a
flipping joke! You do need one but portraiting one is way beyond your
scope.

>
> Mom didn't use barley, she used rice. I think I'd prefer barley. And she
> poured tomato juice over the top rather than pureed tomatoes or tomato
> sauce. These days I might be inclined to use V-8 juice.
>

snicker!

What a f*cking ****wit of a dumb c*nt!

> Jill
>
>

>
> I've not made cabbage rolls in years, but I know that I was never able to
> make the kind of sauce that was always dished up in the restaurants and
> cafeteria of the times (the 50's) when it appeared on just about every
> menu.
> This tomato sauce leaned toward being a little orange, but still a nice
> bright red, and was always shimmery, maybe like it had arrowroot vs.
> cornstarch - rather than sauce that was darkish red (with the slightest
> hint of brown possibly). I always wanted to make that type of sauce to
> spoon over the rolls, but never accomplished it.

Might there have been cream in the tomato sauce? It can make a sauce almost
orange. I also find the sauce (or soup) gets a lot sweeter that way.
>
> As I write this, my mouth is watering. But I'll never pull cabbage leaves
> off again. This is one of the chores that would come under the subject of
> a few days ago - things you would/will never do again.
>
> Maybe I could just dump all of the ingredients in the crock pot and close
> my eyes when serving. Tee hee.
> Dee Dee
>

On Wed 03 May 2006 01:42:13p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jke?

> Might there have been cream in the tomato sauce? It can make a sauce
> almost orange. I also find the sauce (or soup) gets a lot sweeter that
> way.

I use the following sauce mixture for my stuffed cabbage. It's always a
hit...

1 Each "family Size" Can Tomato Soup
1 Pint Sour Cream
1 Teaspoon Granulated Onion
1/2 Teaspoon Granulated Garlic
1/2 Teaspoon Bouquet Garni (or Herb of Your Choice)
1/2 Teaspoon Freshly Ground Black Pepper
1 Tablespoon Hungarian Sweet Paprika
1 Tablespoon Brown Sugar
2 Tablespoons White Vinegar
2 Teaspoons Worcesterchire Sauce

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

>
> 1 Each "family Size" Can Tomato Soup
> 1 Pint Sour Cream
> 1 Teaspoon Granulated Onion
> 1/2 Teaspoon Granulated Garlic
> 1/2 Teaspoon Bouquet Garni (or Herb of Your Choice)
> 1/2 Teaspoon Freshly Ground Black Pepper
> 1 Tablespoon Hungarian Sweet Paprika
> 1 Tablespoon Brown Sugar
> 2 Tablespoons White Vinegar
> 2 Teaspoons Worcesterchire Sauce
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
> ____________________

That sounds delicious, Wayne. I am sure it would go with many things, aside
from cabbage rolls.

On Thu 04 May 2006 01:21:12a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jke?

>
>>
>> 1 Each "family Size" Can Tomato Soup
>> 1 Pint Sour Cream
>> 1 Teaspoon Granulated Onion
>> 1/2 Teaspoon Granulated Garlic
>> 1/2 Teaspoon Bouquet Garni (or Herb of Your Choice)
>> 1/2 Teaspoon Freshly Ground Black Pepper
>> 1 Tablespoon Hungarian Sweet Paprika
>> 1 Tablespoon Brown Sugar
>> 2 Tablespoons White Vinegar
>> 2 Teaspoons Worcesterchire Sauce
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬ ____________________
>
> That sounds delicious, Wayne. I am sure it would go with many things,
> aside from cabbage rolls.

Thanks, we like it a lot. I also use it for stuffed peppers.

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________