I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will be
on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this when
there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and don't
want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just have
to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.

CAN EAT:
fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
olive oil, ghee

CAN'T EAT:
dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye, oats,
wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings, additives,
preservatives

There's a lot more in both categories but that's the gist. I know I could
eat grilled meat and salad for two weeks or veg/bean soup but I hate
repetitive foods. Anyone got any quick and easy food ideas that cover my
requirements? Breakfast is particularly difficult for me - any ideas? I
often have to eat breakfast when I get to work so my options are limited.

Liz

Staycalm wrote:
> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will be
> on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this when
> there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and don't
> want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
> suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just have
> to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.
>
> CAN EAT:
> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
> bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
> olive oil, ghee

Go to : alt.support.diet.low-carb
There's a lot of their food that can be made from your ingredients.

Liz wrote:

> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
> be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
> when there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and
> don't want to make two meals every night but this diet is very
> restrictive. I suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them
> and they just have to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve
> salad.
>
> CAN EAT:
> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
> fish, bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices,
> balsamic, olive oil, ghee
<snip>
> Anyone got any quick and easy food ideas that cover my requirements?
> Breakfast is particularly difficult for me - any ideas? I often have to
> eat breakfast when I get to work so my options are limited.


Google for jook: Basically, it's rice gruel made by cooking rice with much
more liquid than usual. You can flavor it however you like.

You're in mid-autumn there, right? What fruits are available? I'm thinking
mango, rambutan, and other tropical fruits could make a nice compote for
breakfast.

I'm not sure where coconut milk falls on your lists, but you might be able
to use it also. I've seen milk substitutes made from hazelnuts or almonds,
but I'm not sure if they're available in Oz.

Bob

In article >,
says...
> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will be
> on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this when
> there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and don't
> want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
> suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just have
> to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.
>
> CAN EAT:
> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
> bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
> olive oil, ghee
>
> CAN'T EAT:
> dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye, oats,
> wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings, additives,
> preservatives
>

I don't have any food suggestions but I am puzzled that you are
forbidden from eating yeast but allowed to eat vinegar, which is made by
yeast. When I was on an elimination diet - even though it was less
strict than yours - I was forbidden anything containing yeast or mold:
vinegar and soy sauce primarily. I was not forbidden oranges per se but
I was not to drink commercial orange juice because they use mold in the
extraction process.

Not that your diet should be the same as mine or anyone else's - but
banning yeast and not vinegar makes no sense.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...

> I was not to drink commercial orange juice because they use mold in the
> extraction process.

They what? What's that about?

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
>> be
>> on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
>> when
>> there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and
>> don't
>> want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
>> suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just
>> have
>> to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.
>>
>> CAN EAT:
>> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
>> fish,
>> bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices,
>> balsamic,
>> olive oil, ghee
>>
>> CAN'T EAT:
>> dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye,
>> oats,
>> wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings,
>> additives,
>> preservatives
>>
>
> I don't have any food suggestions but I am puzzled that you are
> forbidden from eating yeast but allowed to eat vinegar, which is made by
> yeast. When I was on an elimination diet - even though it was less
> strict than yours - I was forbidden anything containing yeast or mold:
> vinegar and soy sauce primarily. I was not forbidden oranges per se but
> I was not to drink commercial orange juice because they use mold in the
> extraction process.
>
> Not that your diet should be the same as mine or anyone else's - but
> banning yeast and not vinegar makes no sense.
>
>
I am still getting a grasp of it but I can only have certain types of soy
and vinegar in small quantities (enough for a drizzle on salad for example).

Liz

"Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen" > wrote in
message ...
> Staycalm wrote:
>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
>> be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
>> when there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime
>> and don't want to make two meals every night but this diet is very
>> restrictive. I suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them
>> and they just have to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve
>> salad.
>>
>> CAN EAT:
>> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
>> fish, bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices,
>> balsamic, olive oil, ghee
>
> Go to : alt.support.diet.low-carb
> There's a lot of their food that can be made from your ingredients.

Thankyou.

Liz

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
...
> Liz wrote:
>
>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
>> be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
>> when there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime
>> and
>> don't want to make two meals every night but this diet is very
>> restrictive. I suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them
>> and they just have to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve
>> salad.
>>
>> CAN EAT:
>> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
>> fish, bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices,
>> balsamic, olive oil, ghee
> <snip>
>> Anyone got any quick and easy food ideas that cover my requirements?
>> Breakfast is particularly difficult for me - any ideas? I often have to
>> eat breakfast when I get to work so my options are limited.
>
>
> Google for jook: Basically, it's rice gruel made by cooking rice with much
> more liquid than usual. You can flavor it however you like.
>
> You're in mid-autumn there, right? What fruits are available? I'm thinking
> mango, rambutan, and other tropical fruits could make a nice compote for
> breakfast.
>
> I'm not sure where coconut milk falls on your lists, but you might be able
> to use it also. I've seen milk substitutes made from hazelnuts or almonds,
> but I'm not sure if they're available in Oz.
>
> Bob
Thankyou. The fruit salad idea is a good one.

Liz

Plan, plan, plan as this way you can make sure you have all the
ingredients you need. Get your kids involved they love having a go and
getting messy! (depending on age).
Ideas
Fruit smoothies for breaky
Stir fry veg as a change from boiled or steamed
Risotto good for using up leftover veg & meat
Make your own kebab sticks
Make your own burgers with different spices
Good luck
Manda

In article >,
says...
> > I was not to drink commercial orange juice because they use mold in the
> > extraction process.
>
> They what? What's that about?
>
>

WHen I was looking into my possible allergies I went to an integrative
medicine specialist. He told me that the process by which juice is
extracted for commercial juices, including the "not from concentrate"
ones, involves squeezing the oranges, then letting a mold grow on them,
and squeezing again. Apparently the mold increases yield and is
completely harmless to most people.

This fellow is an MD with a lot of specialized training in allergies and
similar areas. I assume he knows whereof he speaks but do not have any
independent verification.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

In article >,
says...
> > I was not to drink commercial orange juice because they use mold in the
> > extraction process.
>
> They what? What's that about?
>
>

Another thing - since learning this we have used only fresh squeezed
juice. My wife could never drink the commercial OJ - bothered her
stomach - but the fresh squeezed is fine for her.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> > I was not to drink commercial orange juice because they use mold in the
>> > extraction process.
>>
>> They what? What's that about?
>>
>>
>
> WHen I was looking into my possible allergies I went to an integrative
> medicine specialist. He told me that the process by which juice is
> extracted for commercial juices, including the "not from concentrate"
> ones, involves squeezing the oranges, then letting a mold grow on them,
> and squeezing again. Apparently the mold increases yield and is
> completely harmless to most people.
>
> This fellow is an MD with a lot of specialized training in allergies and
> similar areas. I assume he knows whereof he speaks but do not have any
> independent verification.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

I just e-mailed Tropicana. Let's see what they say!

Peter A wrote:
> WHen I was looking into my possible allergies I went to an integrative
> medicine specialist. He told me that the process by which juice is
> extracted for commercial juices, including the "not from concentrate"
> ones, involves squeezing the oranges, then letting a mold grow on them,
> and squeezing again. Apparently the mold increases yield and is
> completely harmless to most people.


Hmm, like Extra virgin olive oil the juice packages should read "Extra
virgin orange juice. Not extracted chemically.".

In article >,
says...
> I just e-mailed Tropicana. Let's see what they say!
>
>

Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
information.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> I just e-mailed Tropicana. Let's see what they say!
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
> information.


Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?

In article >,
says...
> > Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
> > information.
>
>
> Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?
>

I really do not know. Let me ask the physician who told me and get back
to you.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> > Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
>> > information.
>>
>>
>> Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?
>>
>
> I really do not know. Let me ask the physician who told me and get back
> to you.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken
> Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm


Save the phonecall.

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/juicgu10.html

Staycalm wrote:
>
> CAN EAT:
> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
> bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
> olive oil, ghee
>
> CAN'T EAT:
> dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye, oats,
> wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings, additives,
> preservatives

Where do you get non-dairy ghee?

Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen wrote:
> Staycalm wrote:
> > I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will be
> > on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this when
> > there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and don't
> > want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
> > suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just have
> > to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.
> >
> > CAN EAT:
> > fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
> > bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
> > olive oil, ghee
>
> Go to : alt.support.diet.low-carb
> There's a lot of their food that can be made from your ingredients.

That was EXACTLY what I thought of first, so it's obviously a great
recommendation ; )

--Bryan

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>
>> "Peter A" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
>> > information.
>>
>> Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?
>
> Well, for starters:
>
> The Illuminati
> International Citrus Cartel
> Ernst Stavros Blofeld

I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> "Peter A" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
> > information.
>
> Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?

Well, for starters:

The Illuminati
International Citrus Cartel
Ernst Stavros Blofeld

On Tue, 2 May 2006 20:34:16 +1000, "Staycalm"
> wrote:

>I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will be
>on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this when
>there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and don't
>want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
>suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just have
>to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.
>
>CAN EAT:
>fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
>bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
>olive oil, ghee
>
>CAN'T EAT:
>dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye, oats,
>wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings, additives,
>preservatives

Fried rice (not fried in peanut oil) with rice, meat, scallions, bean
sprouts, and some creative seasoning to get around the soy sauce if
that isn't permitted.

Which list are potatoes on? The main things I eliminated when my
allergist did a similar diet with me were tomatoes and potatoes. I've
got a nasty sensitivity to potatoes, as it turns out.

That's all I can think of, right offhand. I'll get back to you if I
have more ideas.

Carol
--

Some people are like Slinkies... they don't really have a purpose but
they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

Stolen from "traid" on the IRC

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 2 May 2006 20:34:16 +1000, "Staycalm"
> > wrote:
>
>>I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
>>be
>>on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
>>when
>>there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and
>>don't
>>want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
>>suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just
>>have
>>to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.
>>
>>CAN EAT:
>>fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
>>fish,
>>bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
>>olive oil, ghee
>>
>>CAN'T EAT:
>>dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye,
>>oats,
>>wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings,
>>additives,
>>preservatives
>
> Fried rice (not fried in peanut oil) with rice, meat, scallions, bean
> sprouts, and some creative seasoning to get around the soy sauce if
> that isn't permitted.
>
> Which list are potatoes on? The main things I eliminated when my
> allergist did a similar diet with me were tomatoes and potatoes. I've
> got a nasty sensitivity to potatoes, as it turns out.
>
> That's all I can think of, right offhand. I'll get back to you if I
> have more ideas.
>
Thanks Carol. I am too habituated eating my regular stuff. Guess I'm about
to move outside my comfort zone! lol
Potatoes are on the can eat list. I don't actually show a lot of intolerance
symptoms apart from some IBS but that tends to flare with caffeine and
stress.

Liz

Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?

Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry? As the third
most heavily viewed Internet newsgroup[*], it should
hardly be surprising that industry would send their
PR flacks to "handle" rec.food.cooking. Or something
like that. Hope this helps! :-)

* [After alt.religion.scientology and rec.pets.cats. ;-]

Seems like it should be pretty easy. Just no creamy sauces, or soy sauce
with your spring rolls. You can buy gluten free flour and breads, etc.
if you need a carb fix. What sort of food do you like and maybe people can
be more helpful?

Casseroles/slow cooked stuff would be an easy option for freezing, you can
buy gluten free stock and you're only limited by your imagination(and diet)
then. You can go indian, french, etc. with the spices/veges to maintain
variety. Roast veges with different spices; char grill 'em with different
marinades. Grilled fish with spices, crusts. Roast chicken with herbs,
lemon. BBQ Steak with mushies, onions, asparagus etc., etc..

"Staycalm" > wrote in message
...
> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
> be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
> when there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and
> don't want to make two meals every night but this diet is very
> restrictive. I suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them
> and they just have to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve
> salad.
>
> CAN EAT:
> fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
> fish, bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices,
> balsamic, olive oil, ghee
>
> CAN'T EAT:
> dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye,
> oats, wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings,
> additives, preservatives
>
> There's a lot more in both categories but that's the gist. I know I could
> eat grilled meat and salad for two weeks or veg/bean soup but I hate
> repetitive foods. Anyone got any quick and easy food ideas that cover my
> requirements? Breakfast is particularly difficult for me - any ideas? I
> often have to eat breakfast when I get to work so my options are limited.

Staycalm wrote:
>
> Potatoes are on the can eat list. I don't actually
> show a lot of intolerance symptoms apart from some IBS
> but that tends to flare with caffeine and stress.

Here's an interesting possibility.

Infect Immun 2002 Nov;70(11):5931-7
Intestinal nematode infection ameliorates experimental
colitis in mice.
Khan WI, Blennerhasset PA, Varghese AK, Chowdhury
SK, Omsted P, Deng Y, Collins SM.
Intestinal Disease Research Program, McMaster
University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

Epidemiological studies suggest that inflammatory
bowel disease (IBD) is common in developed
countries and rare in countries where intestinal
nematode infections are common. T cells are
critical in many immune responses, including those
associated with IBD and nematode infection.
Among the distinct T helper (Th) cell subsets,
Th1-type immune response is predominantly
associated with Crohn's disease, while many
nematode infections generate a strong Th2
response. The reciprocal cross regulation between
Th1 and Th2 cells suggests that generation of
a Th2 response by nematodes could prevent or
reduce the effects of Th1-mediated diseases. In
the present study, we investigated the effect of
polarizing the immune response toward the Th2
type, using intestinal nematode infection, on
subsequent experimental colitis. Mice were infected
with the intestinal nematode Trichinella spiralis
and allowed to recover before colitis was induced
with dinitrobenzene sulfonic acid. The mice were
sacrificed postcolitis to assess colonic damage
macroscopically, histologically, and by myeloperoxidase
(MPO) activity and Th cytokines. Prior
nematode infection reduced the severity of colitis
both macroscopically and histologically together
with a decreased mortality and was correlated
with a down-regulation of MPO activity, Th1-type
cytokine expression in colonic tissue, and
emergence of a Th2-type immune response. These
results indicate a protective role of nematode
infection in Th1 cell-driven inflammation and
prompt consideration of a novel therapeutic
strategy in IBD based on immunological distraction.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>
>> I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?
>
> What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
> for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
> regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
> extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?


> Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
> for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry? As the third
> most heavily viewed Internet newsgroup[*], it should
> hardly be surprising that industry would send their
> PR flacks to "handle" rec.food.cooking. Or something
> like that. Hope this helps! :-)
>
> * [After alt.religion.scientology and rec.pets.cats. ;-]


When you're finished with kidding and prepared to be serious, we can
continue.

> Where do you get non-dairy ghee?

Ghee is clarified butter, where all the "dairy" (proteins etc) has
effectively been cooked out of it. That's the theory anyway, so maybe that's
why it passes the elimination test.

In article >, "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>> I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?
>>
>> What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
>> for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
>> regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
>> extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?
>
>> Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
>> for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry?
[snip]
>When you're finished with kidding and prepared to be serious, we can
>continue.

I had a quick squiz at that page. I saw nothing that talked of using
molds for *processing*. There is stuff about possible contamination
by pathogenic microorganisms etc. and protocols for control.

Perhaps you could quote the section you are referring to when you say
that this tome has settled the question?

I might add that one reason I don't like most (all?) processed orange
juice is that there's often a hint of fermentation in the flavour.
I've assumed this is because they use "reject" fruit (i.e. not good
enough for the fresh fruit market) which will almost always contain at
least some traces of fermenting fruit. But I could be wrong.

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

"Phred" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>>"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
>>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>>> I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?
>>>
>>> What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
>>> for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
>>> regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
>>> extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?
>>
>>> Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
>>> for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry?
> [snip]
>>When you're finished with kidding and prepared to be serious, we can
>>continue.
>
> I had a quick squiz at that page. I saw nothing that talked of using
> molds for *processing*. There is stuff about possible contamination
> by pathogenic microorganisms etc. and protocols for control.
>
> Perhaps you could quote the section you are referring to when you say
> that this tome has settled the question?

I think we've reached the point of using common sense. No need to prove
anything. Someone *could* come along and say "Well, we intentionally
encourage mold growth for blue cheese, so why not orange juice?", but that
would be a silly comparison. The link I provided was one of many which
indicated the obvious: Mold is a contaminant in fruit products, not an ally
in production.


> I might add that one reason I don't like most (all?) processed orange
> juice is that there's often a hint of fermentation in the flavour.
> I've assumed this is because they use "reject" fruit (i.e. not good
> enough for the fresh fruit market) which will almost always contain at
> least some traces of fermenting fruit. But I could be wrong.
>
> Cheers, Phred.

The fresh orange market has gradually shifted to California and Texas, for
reasons I'm not clear about. It could be as simple as the dominance of the
juice orange industry in Florida. Obviously, you can still get "eating
oranges" from Florida, but it's less common in stores than it used to be,
and in some cases, it's become almost a boutique product.

<delurking>

Hey Liz,

You might also want to pose this question in AM, I know there are
several people there who have food allergies and/or children with food
allergies. They might have some useful ideas for you.

Have you thought about thinking out menus where you add any forbidden
ingredients *after* taking out your own portion? I.e. cooking one meal
for all, but without putting the rest of the family on the same
restrictions.

IIRC there's a site where you can fill out the ingredients you want to
use (or in your case you *can* use) and it will come with recipes. I'm
afraid I don't have that link, perhaps someone here does, otherwise
surely someone in AM.

Good luck with the elimination process!

</delurking>
--
Mo

Staycalm wrote:
> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?

<snipped cross-posting>

Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any* reason
your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're dealing
with this?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Staycalm wrote:
>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>
> <snipped cross-posting>
>
> Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any*
> reason
> your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're dealing
> with this?
>
> Jill
>
>

I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a curmudgeon
around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break. Since you've opened
this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man who can't rock a woman's
world by cooking outrageous meals is a complete puss-wad, and should be
pantsed and thrown in the street during a lightning storm, with a long piece
of copper wire tied to his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out
when changes in the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Doug Kanter wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Staycalm wrote:
>>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>>> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>>> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>>
>> <snipped cross-posting>
>>
>> Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any*
>> reason
>> your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
>> dealing with this?
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
> curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
> Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
> who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
> complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
> during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
> his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
> the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL

One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his wife
is dealing with health issues.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
.. .
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Staycalm wrote:
>>>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>>>> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>>>> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>>>
>>> <snipped cross-posting>
>>>
>>> Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any*
>>> reason
>>> your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
>>> dealing with this?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
>> curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
>> Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
>> who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
>> complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
>> during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
>> his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
>> the household require him to pitch in appropriately.
>
> Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL
>
> One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
> mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
> oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
> wife
> is dealing with health issues.
>
> Jill
>
>

Hey....I knew guys in college who'd frequent sororities because they could
get their laundry done there.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
.. .
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Staycalm wrote:
>>>> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>>>> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>>>> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>>>
>>> <snipped cross-posting>
>>>
>>> Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any*
>>> reason
>>> your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
>>> dealing with this?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
>> curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
>> Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
>> who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
>> complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
>> during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
>> his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
>> the household require him to pitch in appropriately.
>
> Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL
>
> One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
> mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
> oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
> wife
> is dealing with health issues.
>
> Jill
>
To give him his full and wonderful due he is an extremely supportive
person - he cleans, does the laundry, the dishes, childminding regularly and
he's fully behind helping me do whatever I have to get a diagnosis and/or
improved health. However he's the first to acknowledge that he is somewhat
limited in the kitchen. He lived for 10 years on his own and I think cooked
the same meal or two for all of that time. For some reason I cannot get him
to use a recipe book - so if it has "instructions" on the can/ jar/ packet
then he'll cook it but that's about it. If he had to be the one cooking for
two weeks then I imagine they'll be eating microwave meals or tuna and
noodles for dinner :-)

Liz

Staycalm wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
>>Doug Kanter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
et...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Staycalm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>>>>>will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>>>>>to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><snipped cross-posting>
>>>>
>>>>Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any*
>>>>reason
>>>>your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
>>>>dealing with this?
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
>>>curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
>>>Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
>>>who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
>>>complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
>>>during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
>>>his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
>>>the household require him to pitch in appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL
>>
>>One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
>>mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
>>oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
>>wife
>>is dealing with health issues.
>>
>>Jill
>>
>>
>>
>To give him his full and wonderful due he is an extremely supportive
>person - he cleans, does the laundry, the dishes, childminding regularly and
>he's fully behind helping me do whatever I have to get a diagnosis and/or
>improved health. However he's the first to acknowledge that he is somewhat
>limited in the kitchen. He lived for 10 years on his own and I think cooked
>the same meal or two for all of that time. For some reason I cannot get him
>to use a recipe book - so if it has "instructions" on the can/ jar/ packet
>then he'll cook it but that's about it. If he had to be the one cooking for
>two weeks then I imagine they'll be eating microwave meals or tuna and
>noodles for dinner :-)
>
>Liz
>
>
>
>
I think some posters were, with the best of intentions, being a bit hard
on the poor guy. Some people, including my equally supportive husband,
just are not cooks, like some people are not gardeners. I get all the
assistance I need in the kitchen, provided I specify very clearly what
needs doing, but leave him alone with a recipe and he just doesn't have
the attack skills. Once a week he cooks dinner, which is to say he heats
up Latina Pasta (vacuum packed stuff) and sauce!

The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get it
with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes or lack
of them) is forced to do the cooking because of social expectations. How
many families, even in this day and age, suffer because Mum feels that
the cooking is *her* job even though she's no good at it and Dad might
very well have more ability if he was willing - or allowed - to try?

Christine

On Fri, 05 May 2006 18:17:57 +1000, Old Mother Ashby
> wrote:

>The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get it
>with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes or lack
>of them) is forced to do the cooking because of social expectations. How
>many families, even in this day and age, suffer because Mum feels that
>the cooking is *her* job even though she's no good at it and Dad might
>very well have more ability if he was willing - or allowed - to try?

Ooooh, that was my grandparents. He loved eating and cooking, but he
did not cook - I mean (that was the thirties and forties) a man
doesn't cook, right? She hated cooking, and did it all - the results
were between bland and awful. So he got angry at her <sigh>.

Nathalie in Switzerland

Nathalie Chiva wrote:
> On Fri, 05 May 2006 18:17:57 +1000, Old Mother Ashby
> > wrote:
>
>> The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get
>> it with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes
>> or lack of them) is forced to do the cooking because of social
>> expectations. How many families, even in this day and age, suffer
>> because Mum feels that the cooking is *her* job even though she's
>> no good at it and Dad might very well have more ability if he was
>> willing - or allowed - to try?
>
> Ooooh, that was my grandparents. He loved eating and cooking, but he
> did not cook - I mean (that was the thirties and forties) a man
> doesn't cook, right? She hated cooking, and did it all - the results
> were between bland and awful. So he got angry at her <sigh>.
>
> Nathalie in Switzerland

My mom didn't know how to cook a thing when she married my father in 1951.
The Betty Crocker cook book was her best friend. She was expected to cook.
She was expected to be the perfect military wife; to host cocktail parties
and luncheons for the military wives. Somehow she managed to do all that.
Fortunately for her, hosting a party for military folks usually included
bourbon or some form of alcoholic punch. LOL

Mom has frequently asked me where I got my "cooking gene". She hates to
cook. I find it soothing.

Jill

"Old Mother Ashby" > wrote in message
...
> Staycalm wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Doug Kanter wrote:
>>>
>>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. net...
>>>>
>>>>>Staycalm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>>>>>>will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>>>>>>to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>>>>>>
>>>>><snipped cross-posting>
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone will surely call me a bitch for saying so, but is there *any*
>>>>>reason
>>>>>your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
>>>>>dealing with this?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
>>>>curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
>>>>Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
>>>>who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
>>>>complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
>>>>during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
>>>>his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
>>>>the household require him to pitch in appropriately.
>>>>
>>>Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL
>>>
>>>One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
>>>mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
>>>oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
>>>wife
>>>is dealing with health issues.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>>
>>>
>>To give him his full and wonderful due he is an extremely supportive
>>person - he cleans, does the laundry, the dishes, childminding regularly
>>and he's fully behind helping me do whatever I have to get a diagnosis
>>and/or improved health. However he's the first to acknowledge that he is
>>somewhat limited in the kitchen. He lived for 10 years on his own and I
>>think cooked the same meal or two for all of that time. For some reason I
>>cannot get him to use a recipe book - so if it has "instructions" on the
>>can/ jar/ packet then he'll cook it but that's about it. If he had to be
>>the one cooking for two weeks then I imagine they'll be eating microwave
>>meals or tuna and noodles for dinner :-)
>>
>>Liz
>>
>>
> I think some posters were, with the best of intentions, being a bit hard
> on the poor guy. Some people, including my equally supportive husband,
> just are not cooks, like some people are not gardeners. I get all the
> assistance I need in the kitchen, provided I specify very clearly what
> needs doing, but leave him alone with a recipe and he just doesn't have
> the attack skills. Once a week he cooks dinner, which is to say he heats
> up Latina Pasta (vacuum packed stuff) and sauce!
>
> The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get it
> with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes or lack of
> them) is forced to do the cooking because of social expectations. How many
> families, even in this day and age, suffer because Mum feels that the
> cooking is *her* job even though she's no good at it and Dad might very
> well have more ability if he was willing - or allowed - to try?
>
> Christine

The comment about genes is true here. Him mum is a terrible cook. Adequate
on her best days.

Liz