On 10 May 2006 14:04:05 -0700, wrote:

>
>gringogirl wrote:
>> http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopula...cadegraph.html
>>
>> here is the link -read up and realize why the poem on the Statue of
>> Liberty no longer has its place in American Immigration policy
>
>FYI
>
>John

And the whores in the US Senate do nothing. Naturally, President Bush
is busily engaged sucking the arses of sleazebag business types who
love illegal alien labor.

Will

"Hank" > wrote in message
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> On 10 May 2006 14:04:05 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>>gringogirl wrote:
>>> http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopula...cadegraph.html
>>>
>>> here is the link -read up and realize why the poem on the Statue of
>>> Liberty no longer has its place in American Immigration policy
>>
>>FYI
>>
>>John
>
> And the whores in the US Senate do nothing. Naturally, President Bush
> is busily engaged sucking the arses of sleazebag business types who
> love illegal alien labor.
>
> Will

I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
does "big business" get the rap?

"charliekilo" > wrote in message
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> "Hank" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10 May 2006 14:04:05 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>gringogirl wrote:
>>>> http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopula...cadegraph.html
>>>>
>>>> here is the link -read up and realize why the poem on the Statue of
>>>> Liberty no longer has its place in American Immigration policy
>>>
>>>FYI
>>>
>>>John
>>
>> And the whores in the US Senate do nothing. Naturally, President Bush
>> is busily engaged sucking the arses of sleazebag business types who
>> love illegal alien labor.
>>
>> Will
>
> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire
> Hathaway, State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect
> it's more like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool
> company. Why does "big business" get the rap?
>
>
Big business, Think ADM one of the largest argricultural companies around,
think Flextronics (a huge electronics assembler) while they may avoid
illegals, immigrant workers are welcome.

charliekilo wrote:
> "Hank" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> On 10 May 2006 14:04:05 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>
>>> gringogirl wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopula...cadegraph.html
>>>>
>>>> here is the link -read up and realize why the poem on the Statue of
>>>> Liberty no longer has its place in American Immigration policy
>>>>
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> And the whores in the US Senate do nothing. Naturally, President Bush
>> is busily engaged sucking the arses of sleazebag business types who
>> love illegal alien labor.
>>
>> Will
>>
>
> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
> State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
> like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
> does "big business" get the rap?
>
>
>
Some local auto dealers, those that move maybe 500 vehicles a month or
more, sometimes employ illegals. I've done the tax returns and see a
DIFFERENT SSN on the W-2 than what the employee presented to me when I
started the tax return. When asked, he said that the employer filled
out the paperwork, he just signed and started working.

Yes, a BIG business must SEE a physical SSN card, and get a signed i9
form with picture id. They will be MORe certain that the person is
eligible for employment.

A lot of us hope and pray for the day when mexicans or blacks or asians take
over the entire USA and make slaves of you useless assed crackers.
After what damage you have done to the planet it is only fair you be sold to
the french as butlers or whatever.
And as far as your troops, **** em & let the A-rabs have their way with your
mommas.
"Robert Gammon" > wrote in message
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> charliekilo wrote:
>> "Hank" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> On 10 May 2006 14:04:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> gringogirl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopula...cadegraph.html
>>>>>
>>>>> here is the link -read up and realize why the poem on the Statue
>>>>> of
>>>>> Liberty no longer has its place in American Immigration policy
>>>>>
>>>> FYI
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>> And the whores in the US Senate do nothing. Naturally, President Bush
>>> is busily engaged sucking the arses of sleazebag business types who
>>> love illegal alien labor.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>
>> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I
>> don't think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire
>> Hathaway, State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect
>> it's more like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool
>> company. Why does "big business" get the rap?
>>
>>
>>
> Some local auto dealers, those that move maybe 500 vehicles a month or
> more, sometimes employ illegals. I've done the tax returns and see a
> DIFFERENT SSN on the W-2 than what the employee presented to me when I
> started the tax return. When asked, he said that the employer filled out
> the paperwork, he just signed and started working.
>
> Yes, a BIG business must SEE a physical SSN card, and get a signed i9 form
> with picture id. They will be MORe certain that the person is eligible
> for employment.
>
>

On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:55:48 GMT, Robert Gammon >
wrote:

>charliekilo wrote:
>> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
>> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
>> State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
>> like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
>> does "big business" get the rap?
>>
>Some local auto dealers, those that move maybe 500 vehicles a month or
>more, sometimes employ illegals. I've done the tax returns and see a
>DIFFERENT SSN on the W-2 than what the employee presented to me when I
>started the tax return. When asked, he said that the employer filled
>out the paperwork, he just signed and started working.

So what you are saying is that there were illegals immigrants that you
did tax returns for, and they were paying Income Tax and Social
Security tax, and I'll add that if they don't use their own SSNumber,
they pay in to SSecurity but can't collect later. Free money for US
citizens and legal immigrants.
>
>Yes, a BIG business must SEE a physical SSN card, and get a signed i9
>form with picture id. They will be MORe certain that the person is
>eligible for employment.

BTW, the subject line shows some ignorance.

If there are 11 million illegal immigrants who have entered over the
last 20 or 30 years, that's a lot fewer than the number of LEGAL
immigrants which is about a million a year, and has been for the last
100 years, except maybe not during 4 years of wwwii.

mm wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:55:48 GMT, Robert Gammon >
> wrote:
>
>
>> charliekilo wrote:
>>
>>> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
>>> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
>>> State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
>>> like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
>>> does "big business" get the rap?
>>>
>>>
>> Some local auto dealers, those that move maybe 500 vehicles a month or
>> more, sometimes employ illegals. I've done the tax returns and see a
>> DIFFERENT SSN on the W-2 than what the employee presented to me when I
>> started the tax return. When asked, he said that the employer filled
>> out the paperwork, he just signed and started working.
>>
>
> So what you are saying is that there were illegals immigrants that you
> did tax returns for, and they were paying Income Tax and Social
> Security tax, and I'll add that if they don't use their own SSNumber,
> they pay in to SSecurity but can't collect later. Free money for US
> citizens and legal immigrants.
>
>> Yes, a BIG business must SEE a physical SSN card, and get a signed i9
>> form with picture id. They will be MORe certain that the person is
>> eligible for employment.
>>
>
> BTW, the subject line shows some ignorance.
>
> If there are 11 million illegal immigrants who have entered over the
> last 20 or 30 years, that's a lot fewer than the number of LEGAL
> immigrants which is about a million a year, and has been for the last
> 100 years, except maybe not during 4 years of wwwii.
>
The subject line is population explosion in the USA. For the long term
residents of the USA, excluding the recent immigrants- legal or not, the
live birth rate is hovering very very close to equilibrium. There is no
population explosion in the USA!!!

In the most recent statistics I saw, live births of all races, excluding
immigration, grew the population by only 1.6M. That's about 0.5%
growth, and it wiggles around somewhat from year to year. Teen
pregnancies are at record lows, women are waiting longer and longer to
have children.

So the only real growth in US population is immigration legal and not.

The story is repeated over and over again in the G-7 nations.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/ranki..._growth_0.html


This link shows overall growth rates including immigration

Economic factors will eventually limit growth as people get more and
more worried about how to PAY for their children's food, clothes,
education, medical needs, and entertainment.

On Thu, 11 May 2006 13:01:17 GMT, Robert Gammon >
wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:55:48 GMT, Robert Gammon >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> charliekilo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
>>>> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
>>>> State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
>>>> like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
>>>> does "big business" get the rap?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Some local auto dealers, those that move maybe 500 vehicles a month or
>>> more, sometimes employ illegals. I've done the tax returns and see a
>>> DIFFERENT SSN on the W-2 than what the employee presented to me when I
>>> started the tax return. When asked, he said that the employer filled
>>> out the paperwork, he just signed and started working.
>>>
>>
>> So what you are saying is that there were illegals immigrants that you
>> did tax returns for, and they were paying Income Tax and Social
>> Security tax, and I'll add that if they don't use their own SSNumber,
>> they pay in to SSecurity but can't collect later. Free money for US
>> citizens and legal immigrants.
>>
>>> Yes, a BIG business must SEE a physical SSN card, and get a signed i9
>>> form with picture id. They will be MORe certain that the person is
>>> eligible for employment.
>>>
>>
>> BTW, the subject line shows some ignorance.
>>
>> If there are 11 million illegal immigrants who have entered over the
>> last 20 or 30 years, that's a lot fewer than the number of LEGAL
>> immigrants which is about a million a year, and has been for the last
>> 100 years, except maybe not during 4 years of wwwii.
>>
>The subject line is population explosion in the USA.

Maybe your reader doesn't show the whole thing, but the subject line
is: Population Explosion in United States Due to Illegal immigration

It's not due to illegal immigration, which is less than legal
immigration.

> For the long term
>residents of the USA, excluding the recent immigrants- legal or not, the
>live birth rate is hovering very very close to equilibrium. There is no
>population explosion in the USA!!!
>
>In the most recent statistics I saw, live births of all races, excluding
>immigration, grew the population by only 1.6M. That's about 0.5%
>growth, and it wiggles around somewhat from year to year. Teen
>pregnancies are at record lows, women are waiting longer and longer to
>have children.
>
>So the only real growth in US population is immigration legal and not.

Maybe so, but illegal immigration is the smaller part of that.
>
>The story is repeated over and over again in the G-7 nations.
>
>http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/ranki..._growth_0.html
>
>
>This link shows overall growth rates including immigration
>
>Economic factors will eventually limit growth as people get more and
>more worried about how to PAY for their children's food, clothes,
>education, medical needs, and entertainment.

"charliekilo" > writes:


> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
> State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
> like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
> does "big business" get the rap?

Who do you think builds the multi-million dollar homes inhabitated by
the executives of these companies. The whole construction industry
has been gutted by illegals. The current average wage of construction
workers is now roughly the same, or in many cases lower, than it was
30 yrs ago. This because of illegals. Has the price of housing
remained the same? Hell no. It's gone through the freakin' roof!
Are you saying the housing construction industry is not big business?

Other big businesses are no different. What happened to the Big 3
auto worker jobs. Went to Mexico. Food processing like canneries,
frozen food processing, the meat industry ...all were once jobs paying
a living wage. Now all busted by illegals. Whole towns overrun by
illegals working in food processing plants. Young kids out of school
and just entering the job market used to work in restaurants and fast
food chains. Now all illegals.

I worked as a janitor when I came out of the service. No shame in
that. Not a job I, a white native born American, was unwilling to do.
Allowed me to go to school and work part time. Now, they won't even
talk to you if you don't speak Spanish. This whole line of crap about
illegals taking "jobs American workers are unwilling to do" is the
single biggest lie in politics. Illegals have taken the jobs *WE WERE
DOING*!!! ...right out from under us.

By the way, have any of these illegals joined the service to defend
this country? Hell, no! They can't because they're here illegally!!
Leave it to the poor slobs that were born here and will return from
the war to find their jobs gone, their positions taken by illegals.

It's not only a shame, it's a crime. That's why they are called
illegal aliens.

Pay attention, people. This isn't a lie:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/borderpatrol.asp

Anyone who thinks this it bullshit, think back to before the major
illegal alien demonstrations of May 1st. In all the little minor
illegal demonstrations of the previous month, the demonstrators were
all carrying Mexican flags. Well, someone wise 'em up for the 5/1
biggies, and they switched to US flags. But, there can be no doubt
with who the illegal's sympathies lie.

nb

On 10 May 2006 19:04:55 -0700, notbob > wrote:

>"charliekilo" > writes:
>
>
>> I keep hearing that it's big business that loves the illegal's but I don't
>> think companies like Exxon, GM, IBM, GE, ConocoPhillips, Berkshire Hathaway,
>> State Farm, Boeing, etc. are employing the illegals. I suspect it's more
>> like your local lawn service, or the local builder and pool company. Why
>> does "big business" get the rap?
>
>Who do you think builds the multi-million dollar homes inhabitated by
>the executives of these companies.

You don't know who they hire for those jobs, and even if your
suspicion is correct that they are illegal, what the contractors for
executives do is not the same as what big-business does. Since the
things you cite here must be the best answers you have, this and every
example you give below is an admission by you that big business is NOT
involved with illegal aliens.

> The whole construction industry
>has been gutted by illegals. The current average wage of construction
>workers is now roughly the same, or in many cases lower, than it was
>30 yrs ago. This because of illegals. Has the price of housing
>remained the same? Hell no. It's gone through the freakin' roof!

Not because of constructions costs. Mostly because of inflationary
pressures due the cost of oil for transportation and to make many of
the products (shingles, plastic pipe, electric insulation, etc.) used
in construction and because of deficit spending on the war in Iraq.
Deficit spending is inflationary.

>Are you saying the housing construction industry is not big business?

It is a big business, but it's not what people mean when they say big
business.

>Other big businesses are no different. What happened to the Big 3
>auto worker jobs. Went to Mexico. Food processing like canneries,
>frozen food processing, the meat industry ...all were once jobs paying
>a living wage. Now all busted by illegals.

That's nonsense. If they went to Mexico, they're using Mexicans in
Mexico.

> Whole towns overrun by
>illegals working in food processing plants. Young kids out of school
>and just entering the job market used to work in restaurants and fast
>food chains. Now all illegals.
>
>I worked as a janitor when I came out of the service. No shame in
>that. Not a job I, a white native born American, was unwilling to do.
>Allowed me to go to school and work part time. Now, they won't even
>talk to you if you don't speak Spanish. This whole line of crap about

Where won't they talk to you about being a janitor now? Big business?
What industry?

>illegals taking "jobs American workers are unwilling to do" is the
>single biggest lie in politics. Illegals have taken the jobs *WE WERE
>DOING*!!! ...right out from under us.
>
>By the way, have any of these illegals joined the service to defend
>this country? Hell, no! They can't because they're here illegally!!
>Leave it to the poor slobs that were born here and will return from
>the war to find their jobs gone, their positions taken by illegals.

There is or was a law against that. But such laws are hard to
enforce against small businesses (and didn't even apply to very small
businesses) Find us a big business that doesn't save jobs for those
who have been deployed. That's what the topic is here, remember, Big
Business. Or tell us who changed the law so that is no longer
required, if it isn't.

>...

I find it humorous that we find out near weekly that our civil liberties are
being further eroded, and all we can do is complain about illegal
immigrants.

"He who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserves
neither". We stopped deserving this country in '04. I say we give it to
folks who'll at least stop screwing it up.

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"Hank" > wrote in message
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> On 10 May 2006 14:04:05 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>>gringogirl wrote:
>>> http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopula...cadegraph.html
>>>
>>> here is the link -read up and realize why the poem on the Statue of
>>> Liberty no longer has its place in American Immigration policy
>>
>>FYI
>>
>>John
>
> And the whores in the US Senate do nothing. Naturally, President Bush
> is busily engaged sucking the arses of sleazebag business types who
> love illegal alien labor.
>
> Will

You know we are in trouble when the Senate has time to pass a
resolution, of absolutely no effect, Ah, Senator, when you voted to
pass a resolution that the national anthem can only be sung in ENGLISH,
were you aware that it can be sung in ANY language, under our current
constitution? I recall something about the Bill of Rights guarenteeing
our freedom of speech. So why don't you just go back to sleep.

Aware of this stunning development, the Senate quickly went back to
devise the latest so-called immigration bill. I worked in an American
Embassy as Chief of the Visa Section, thirty-five years ago, which
meant driving myself crazy while dealing with thousands of penniless
people trying to get visas to spend the winter in that winter holiday
paradise - Paterson, New Jersey. Or maybe to take the eight kids up to
meet their mom who already was in Disneyland enjoying her vacation.
LOL

That was 35 years ago and illegal immigration was already a BIG
problem. Congressman Rodino from Newark, NJ, and big name in Congress
and on immigration, came by to talk about this, but didn't see much
hope for any relief in the future. Especially not if it would cost
money and people for INS and the State Department. Good God, man we
have to pay for the war in Viet Nam and the Poverty Program. He didn't
say that, but it was true. He was right, nobody did anything and they
will not today.

Why? Because immigrants, women, minorities, and even retirees are
needed now to fill all sorts of jobs that we cannot fill because our
birth rate declined after the huge baby boom added multi-millions to
the population (mostly Caucasians and African Americans). Now that
generation is heading into retirement and without the above workers,
and even with them, we just do not have enough people here to fill all
the jobs the baby boomers are leaving in the next twenty years.

Mostly we see the illegal immigrants because they are concentrated,
doing highly visible jobs like construction, farm work, restaurant
work, and lots of others. Of course many are here legally as residents
and citizens, but often with lousy American educations so they end up
with crummy jobs. The also end up in the Armed Forces and bleed and
die just like you and me. Even with that, our Armed Forces must hire
and train foreigners to finish a war we got going. Iraq, in case you
hadn't heard about our "exit strategy."

My immigrant mother (Ireland by way of Canada) was a civilian nurse
during WW II, while my father, son of Italian immigrant worked for the
British in New York Harbor since he already served in McArthur's 42nd
Infantry Division in France, World War I. They sent three of us kids
off to WW II and Korea to serve in the US Navy and Army.

That's the story of all immigration, as is plenty of discrimination and
even hatred of people who seem too different to live with us White
Folks. Irish, Italian, Puerto Rican, Mexican, the United States of
American can be really tough on you if you are not "REALLY WHITE." We
can even turn those folks against any new wave of immigrants by simply
saying, "they are taking our jobs!" Even when it is not true.