In article >,
(Ubiquitous) wrote:

> In article >, wrote:
> >in article ASbmg.14016$XJ4.3418@trndny02, Janet Puistonen at
> wrote on 6/21/06 6:31 AM:
>
> >> You've got to be kidding. Don't you remember the constant harping on Bill
> >> Clinton's weight by your right wing friends?
> >
> >I remember his phony jogging, staged for the cameras. A friend of mine got
> >to participate in that when she was invited to the White House. She was
> >****ed, 'cause she DOES run pretty much every morning, and with porky Bill
> >they just ran past the press and back inside; all a photo op. She didn't
> >even get to break a sweat.
>
> So, did he try to cop a feel once they were out of sight of the press?

LOL, not that she mentioned.

Ubiquitous > wrote:

> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.

Gore graduated from Harvard with a BA in government.
It was law school he dropped out of.

>Ubiquitous > wrote:
>
>> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
>
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:08:11 GMT, Mark Nobles
> wrote:
>Gore graduated from Harvard with a BA in government.
>It was law school he dropped out of.

And Bush tried but failed to get into law school (in Texas)

Ubiquitous wrote:

> >Here's a news flash Geoff, rich kidswho aren't completely retarded go
> >to Ivy League schools if they want to unless they have felony records
> >(and perhaps even then.) Bush had the added benefit of being a legacy.
>
> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
>
> >I personally don't think he is stupid, just intellectually lazy and
> >willfully ignorant.
>
> Sounds like you have a serious case of "wealth envy" to me.
>
I notice you did not dispute the veracity of my statement. Like many
conservatives, you have responded with a nonsequitor and a personal
attack rather than an argument.

I was just pointing out what I thought was an obvious fact. If you dis
agree with my point, please do so.

Joe.

On 7 Jul 2006 21:11:16 -0700, "
> wrote:

>
>Ubiquitous wrote:
>
>> >Here's a news flash Geoff, rich kidswho aren't completely retarded go
>> >to Ivy League schools if they want to unless they have felony records
>> >(and perhaps even then.) Bush had the added benefit of being a legacy.
>>
>> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
>>
>> >I personally don't think he is stupid, just intellectually lazy and
>> >willfully ignorant.
>>
>> Sounds like you have a serious case of "wealth envy" to me.
>>
>I notice you did not dispute the veracity of my statement. Like many
>conservatives, you have responded with a nonsequitor and a personal
>attack rather than an argument.

That's all conservatives are capable of. They all seem deeply
disturbed to me.
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Dave Frightens Me > writes:

> That's all conservatives are capable of.

Interesting; that's my impression of liberals: insult rather than
argue.


> They all seem deeply disturbed to me.

Hey, believe what you want. This is a free country...so long as we
conservatives are in charge.

Besides, we're the ones with the guns.



Geoff

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"C.J." > wrote:

>
> "Jack F. Twist" > wrote in
> message
> news
>> "Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > Well said ,thank you.
>>
>> Yes, I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>
>> Bush is Hitler reborn.
>>
>
> No way! Hitler may have been evil, but his IQ was higher than
> that of a stump.


There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
"like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:04:08 GMT, John Doe >
wrote:

>"C.J." > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jack F. Twist" > wrote in
>> message
>> news
>>> "Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> > Well said ,thank you.
>>>
>>> Yes, I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>>
>>> Bush is Hitler reborn.
>>>
>>
>> No way! Hitler may have been evil, but his IQ was higher than
>> that of a stump.
>
>
>There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
>"like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"

He's a good proxy for those working under him.
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wrote:
>Ubiquitous wrote:

>> >Here's a news flash Geoff, rich kidswho aren't completely retarded go
>> >to Ivy League schools if they want to unless they have felony records
>> >(and perhaps even then.) Bush had the added benefit of being a legacy.
>>
>> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
>>
>> >I personally don't think he is stupid, just intellectually lazy and
>> >willfully ignorant.
>>
>> Sounds like you have a serious case of "wealth envy" to me.
>>
>I notice you did not dispute the veracity of my statement. Like many
>conservatives, you have responded with a nonsequitor and a personal
>attack rather than an argument.

It's so precious when leftists accuse people of the very thing they
practice as standard operating procedure.

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It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

In art. >, Ubiquitous wrote:
wrote:
>>Ubiquitous wrote:
>
>>> >Here's a news flash Geoff, rich kidswho aren't completely retarded go
>>> >to Ivy League schools if they want to unless they have felony records
>>> >(and perhaps even then.) Bush had the added benefit of being a legacy.
>>>
>>> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
>>>
>>> >I personally don't think he is stupid, just intellectually lazy and
>>> >willfully ignorant.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you have a serious case of "wealth envy" to me.
>>>
>>I notice you did not dispute the veracity of my statement. Like many
>>conservatives, you have responded with a nonsequitor and a personal
>>attack rather than an argument.
>
>It's so precious when leftists accuse people of the very thing they
>practice as standard operating procedure.

It sounds to me like standard operating procedure of extremists of both
ends of the political spectrum!

What I see now is need for truth, accuracy, fairness, honesty and
integrity. What is now in the Oval Office I see to be someone serving
his favored end of the political spectrum over the 5 values that I just
mentioned, plus vindictiveness against whistleblowers, to an extent
favoring political expediency over national security as exemplified by
the Valorie Plame incident.

A pox on his house, and 90% of a pox on the house of an opponent who
thinks 10% better is "good enough"!

>--
>It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
>the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
>our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
>for them, it's failing.

Too bad for Americans this is bogging down and dragging on because Bush
listened to who he liked (Rumsfeld and maybe etc.) over Colin Powell in
terms of troop strength (count) required to secure Iraq after deposing
Hussein. Bush and Rumsfeld liked to think that Iraquis would rise up to
support and rebuild their newly freed nation, despite plenty of history
indicating that they would be apathetic beyond or much beyond much beyond
hating Israel and usually USA and maybe other Arab factions or whatever
Arab warlord both offers a "best available deal" to them and is most able
to discount competitors (such as via acts of war).

Bush should have had his arguments more on "draining the swamp" and
should have used troop strength/count requirement estimates based on the
locals being mostly apathetic to that mission (as well as other "western"
foreign missions).

- Don Klipstein )

Ubiquitous wrote:
> wrote:
> >Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> >> >Here's a news flash Geoff, rich kidswho aren't completely retarded go
> >> >to Ivy League schools if they want to unless they have felony records
> >> >(and perhaps even then.) Bush had the added benefit of being a legacy.
> >>
> >> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
> >>
> >> >I personally don't think he is stupid, just intellectually lazy and
> >> >willfully ignorant.
> >>
> >> Sounds like you have a serious case of "wealth envy" to me.
> >>
> >I notice you did not dispute the veracity of my statement. Like many
> >conservatives, you have responded with a nonsequitor and a personal
> >attack rather than an argument.
>
> It's so precious when leftists accuse people of the very thing they
> practice as standard operating procedure.
>

Examples?

And you still have not provided any counter-argument to my assertions.

wrote:
>Ubiquitous wrote:
>> wrote:
>> >Ubiquitous wrote:

>> >> >Here's a news flash Geoff, rich kidswho aren't completely retarded go
>> >> >to Ivy League schools if they want to unless they have felony records
>> >> >(and perhaps even then.) Bush had the added benefit of being a legacy.
>> >>
>> >> Bush did better than AlGore, who, if memory serves, dropped out.
>> >>
>> >> >I personally don't think he is stupid, just intellectually lazy and
>> >> >willfully ignorant.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds like you have a serious case of "wealth envy" to me.
>> >
>> >I notice you did not dispute the veracity of my statement. Like many
>> >conservatives, you have responded with a nonsequitor and a personal
>> >attack rather than an argument.
>>
>> It's so precious when leftists accuse people of the very thing they
>> practice as standard operating procedure.
>
>Examples?

Howard Dean did it again a couple days ago while accusing Bush of being
"divisive". That kook who made a lucritive career out of milking her
son's death did as well, to a lesser extent.

You really need to quit letting your irrational hatred of Bush cloud
your objective view of reality.

>And you still have not provided any counter-argument to my assertions.

What assertion? Your opinion about Bush which is not suported by the facts?

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It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

Ubiquitous wrote:
> wrote:
> >Ubiquitous wrote:

> >> It's so precious when leftists accuse people of the very thing they
> >> practice as standard operating procedure.
> >
> >Examples?
>
> Howard Dean did it again a couple days ago while accusing Bush of being
> "divisive". That kook who made a lucritive career out of milking her
> son's death did as well, to a lesser extent.
>
> You really need to quit letting your irrational hatred of Bush cloud
> your objective view of reality.

Putting these two paragraphs next to each other: Priceless. Tho I doubt
you even recognize it.


> It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
> the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
> our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
> for them, it's failing.

"The next day President-elect Bush came to the White
House for the same meeting I had had with his father
eight years earier."(...)"He was putting together
an experiened team from past Republican administrations
who believed the biggest security issues were the need
for national missile defense and Iraq. I told him that
based on the last eight years, I thought his biggest
security problems, in order, would be Osama bin Laden
and al Qaeda; the absence of peace in the Middle East;
the stand off between nuclear powers India and Pakistan,
and the ties of the Pakistanis to the Taliban and al
Qaeda; North Korea; and then Iraq.
(...)
He listened to what I had to say without much comment
then changed the subject..."

My Life, W.J. Clinton Pg 1503-4

On 2006-07-16 03:37:57 -0700, Dave Frightens Me
> said:

> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:04:08 GMT, John Doe >
> wrote:
>
>> "C.J." > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jack F. Twist" > wrote in
>>> message
>>> news >>>> "Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> Well said ,thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>>>
>>>> Bush is Hitler reborn.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No way! Hitler may have been evil, but his IQ was higher than
>>> that of a stump.
>>
>>
>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
>> "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"
>
> He's a good proxy for those working under him.

What's frightening is how good a proxy he is for his owners behind the
scenes. bg

"bill gorley" > wrote in message
news:2007110300580516807-gorleyw@yahoocom...
> On 2006-07-16 03:37:57 -0700, Dave Frightens Me
> > said:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:04:08 GMT, John Doe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "C.J." > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack F. Twist" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news >>>>> "Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>> Well said ,thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush is Hitler reborn.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No way! Hitler may have been evil, but his IQ was higher than
>>>> that of a stump.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
>>> "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"
>>
>> He's a good proxy for those working under him.
>
> What's frightening is how good a proxy he is for his owners behind the
> scenes. bg
>

I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's academic
average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?

Not a Bush supporter, but the irony of these posts being so factually
uninformed, i.e. "stupid", is hard to resist.

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:34:34 -0400, "Mason Barge"
> wrote:

>
>"bill gorley" > wrote in message
>news:2007110300580516807-gorleyw@yahoocom...
>> On 2006-07-16 03:37:57 -0700, Dave Frightens Me
>> > said:
>>
>>
>
>I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's academic
>average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?
>
Not quite true unless you're going to call 1pt a landslide.
http://www.kimberlyswygert.com/archives/003000.html

It looks like Kerry was quite the party boy his first couple of years
in college.

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On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:34:34 -0400, "Mason Barge"
> wrote:

>I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's academic
>average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?

Actions speak louder than university transcripts.

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bill gorley wrote:
> On 2006-07-16 03:37:57 -0700, Dave Frightens Me
> > said:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:04:08 GMT, John Doe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "C.J." > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack F. Twist" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news >>>>
>>>>> "Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> Well said ,thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush is Hitler reborn.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No way! Hitler may have been evil, but his IQ was higher than
>>>> that of a stump.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
>>> "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"
>>
>>
>> He's a good proxy for those working under him.
>
>
> What's frightening is how good a proxy he is for his owners behind the
> scenes. bg

And how distressingly many people seem not to notice the
fact! (I think the theatrical term for his role is "stooge.)
>

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:11:35 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> wrote:

>>>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
>>>> "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"

Here it is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/350999258/

It's also a bumper sticker
http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.13976814

a refrigerator magnet
http://www.funkyfridge.com/EP-9021.html

and a T-shirt
http://www.realityshirts.com/index.p...roducts_id=270

Take your pick and remember - if there were 60 Democrats in the
Senate, both Bush *and* Cheney would have been long impeached.... but
there are more Republicans than Democrats there and the Bush/Cheney
ticket was elected TWICE. Whatta country.

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Mason Barge wrote:

> I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's
> academic average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?

That just makes me wonder who the family paid to write his papers ansd
take the exams for him.

> Not a Bush supporter, but the irony of these posts being so factually
> uninformed, i.e. "stupid", is hard to resist.
>

When you look at his seven year administration, how can you call him
anything else?

gloria p

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:11:35 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> > wrote:
>
>>>>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it
>>>>> says "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"
>
> Here it is
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/350999258/
>
> It's also a bumper sticker
> http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.13976814
>
> a refrigerator magnet
> http://www.funkyfridge.com/EP-9021.html
>
> and a T-shirt
> http://www.realityshirts.com/index.p...roducts_id=270

> Take your pick and remember - if there were 60 Democrats in the
> Senate, both Bush *and* Cheney would have been long impeached

Are you saying that all of the current democrat senators would support an
impeachement? And if so, based on what charge(s)?

> there are more Republicans than Democrats there

Huh? There are 49 democrats, 49 repubs, and three independents who usually
vote *with* the dems (as demonstrated by their vote to install a democrat as
majority leader). And even Lieberman, who switched from Dem to Independent
in order to win the Connecticut seat and who sides with Bush on the Iraq
war, will vote the dems party line on other issues. So the real liberal to
conservative vote is 52 to 49.

> and the Bush/Cheney
> ticket was elected TWICE. Whatta country.

Whatever.

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Dave Bugg wrote:

> Huh? There are 49 democrats, 49 repubs,

Oooooops. I counted one too many Independents. There are currently only two.
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Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:02:20 -0700 from Dave Bugg >:
> Huh? There are 49 democrats, 49 repubs, and three independents who usually
> vote *with* the dems (as demonstrated by their vote to install a democrat as
> majority leader). And even Lieberman, who switched from Dem to Independent
> in order to win the Connecticut seat and who sides with Bush on the Iraq
> war, will vote the dems party line on other issues. So the real liberal to
> conservative vote is 52 to 49.

"Huh?" indeed. Since each state has two Senators, the total must be
an even number and your figures can't possibly be correct.

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Stan Brown wrote:
> Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:02:20 -0700 from Dave Bugg >:
>> Huh? There are 49 democrats, 49 repubs, and three independents who
>> usually vote *with* the dems (as demonstrated by their vote to
>> install a democrat as majority leader). And even Lieberman, who
>> switched from Dem to Independent in order to win the Connecticut
>> seat and who sides with Bush on the Iraq war, will vote the dems
>> party line on other issues. So the real liberal to conservative vote
>> is 52 to 49.
>
> "Huh?" indeed. Since each state has two Senators, the total must be
> an even number and your figures can't possibly be correct.

LOL!!!! You're absolutely right; The count is 49 Repubs, 49 Demos, and 2
independents who typically vote with the Demos.

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Make credence recognised that on Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:45:52 -0700, sf
has scripted:

>On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:34:34 -0400, "Mason Barge"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"bill gorley" > wrote in message
>>news:2007110300580516807-gorleyw@yahoocom...
>>> On 2006-07-16 03:37:57 -0700, Dave Frightens Me
>>> > said:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's academic
>>average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?
>>
>Not quite true unless you're going to call 1pt a landslide.
>http://www.kimberlyswygert.com/archives/003000.html
>
>It looks like Kerry was quite the party boy his first couple of years
>in college.

Damn, where do they get these guys?
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In article >, sf wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:11:35 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> wrote:
>
>>>>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it
says
>>>>> "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"
>
>Here it is
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/350999258/
>
>It's also a bumper sticker
>http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.13976814
>
>a refrigerator magnet
>http://www.funkyfridge.com/EP-9021.html
>
>and a T-shirt
>http://www.realityshirts.com/index.p...info&products_
id=270
>
>Take your pick and remember - if there were 60 Democrats in the
>Senate, both Bush *and* Cheney would have been long impeached.... but
>there are more Republicans than Democrats there and the Bush/Cheney
>ticket was elected TWICE. Whatta country.

STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?

The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no reason
to.

Try not to cry, mmkay?

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the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

"Ubiquitous" > wrote in message
. ..
> In article >, sf wrote:
>
> STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?
>
> The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no reason
> to.
>
> Try not to cry, mmkay?
>
> --
Didn't know there was anyone left out there that still bought the shrubs
bill of goods. Guess there's always one holdout.

"Whoever imagined that you would hear from the United States and from
Britain the same arguments for detention without trial that were used by the
apartheid government" Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

tom > wrote:
> "Ubiquitous" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> In article >, sf wrote:
>>
>> STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?
>>
>> The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no
>> reason to.
>>
>> Try not to cry, mmkay?
>>
>> --
> Didn't know there was anyone left out there that still bought the
> shrubs bill of goods. Guess there's always one holdout.
>
> "Whoever imagined that you would hear from the United States and from
> Britain the same arguments for detention without trial that were used
> by the apartheid government" Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

Just those so ignorant of history that they arent aware of
what those countrys have done in time of war in the past.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:22:57 -0600, (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?
>
>The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no reason
>to.

GWB hasn't been impeached because Democrats haven't had the majority
vote it takes for impeachment. End of story.

Additionally, the Democrats have not been a united front the way 12
step Republican sheep were for the last 12+ years. It's ironic the
way those numbers lined up.

"The current account trade deficit: In the last 25 years America has
gone from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest
debtor nation." http://www.alternet.org/story/28646/

Guess who was president back then...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html

Scary!
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Ldebtclock.htm
Rethink your stock portfolio and reinvest.

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On the particular moment of Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:39 -0600 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "tom"
> put forth:

>
>"Ubiquitous" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >, sf wrote:
>>
>> STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?
>>
>> The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no reason
>> to.
>>
>> Try not to cry, mmkay?
>>
>> --
>Didn't know there was anyone left out there that still bought the shrubs
>bill of goods. Guess there's always one holdout.
>
>"Whoever imagined that you would hear from the United States and from
>Britain the same arguments for detention without trial that were used by the
>apartheid government" Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

Wow, nice quote!
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On Dec 14, 11:07 pm, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:22:57 -0600, (Ubiquitous)
> wrote:
>
> >STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?
>
> >The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no reason
> >to.
>
> GWB hasn't been impeached because Democrats haven't had the majority
> vote it takes for impeachment. End of story.

There's also his impeachment insurance, Dick Cheney.
>
> Additionally, the Democrats have not been a united front the way 12
> step Republican sheep were for the last 12+ years. It's ironic the
> way those numbers lined up.
>
> "The current account trade deficit: In the last 25 years America has
> gone from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest
> debtor nation." http://www.alternet.org/story/28646/

The secion of Foundation that deals with Korell (The Merchant Princes)
should be instructive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korell
>
> Guess who was president back then...http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html

http://flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/2112905222/
>

--Bryan

In article >, sf says...
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:22:57 -0600, (Ubiquitous)
> wrote:
>
> >STILL bitter about AlGore being unable to steal the election?
> >
> >The real reason Bush won't get impeached is simple: There is no reason
> >to.
>
> GWB hasn't been impeached because Democrats haven't had the majority
> vote it takes for impeachment. End of story.

They have for the pas, oh, eleven months. They haven't because they
have no case. As you say, "end of story".
>
> Additionally, the Democrats have not been a united front the way 12
> step Republican sheep were for the last 12+ years. It's ironic the
> way those numbers lined up.

Wow, what color is the sky on your planet?

> "The current account trade deficit: In the last 25 years America has
> gone from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest
> debtor nation." http://www.alternet.org/story/28646/

And that's GW's fault? Is the snow in the NE GW (no, not that GW)
fault too?

> Guess who was president back then...
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html

Guess who buy's all that stuff?

> Scary!
> http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Ldebtclock.htm
> Rethink your stock portfolio and reinvest.

You scare easily. DO you sleep with the lights on too?

--
Keith

In >,
Bobo Bonobo(R) wrote:

>On Dec 14, 11:07 pm, sf wrote:

>> "The current account trade deficit: In the last 25 years America has
>> gone from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest
>> debtor nation." http://www.alternet.org/story/28646/

I remember the newspaper articles talking about the trade deficit when
it blew up big along with the budget deficit skyrocketing into the
$200B+/year range. Some mentioned the USA going from greatest creditor
nation to greatest debtor nation in a 4 year stretch, entirely during the
Reagan administration.

There was implication that if we did not need foreign investors and
governments to buy our Treasury bonds, then we would not have to buy as
much of their goods.
Nowadays, the USA is at a competitive disadvantage due to complex
environmental regulations (and to a lesser extent workplace safety
regulations) and a bunch of generally USA-specific costs:

* Employer-funded health insurance
* USA's higher healthcare costs
* USA's higher insurance and liability costs
* USA's higher cost of poverty remediation programs
* USA's cost of "War on Drugs"
* USA's generally higher executive and upper layer pay

American workers have to pay taxes, car insurance, healthcare costs one
way or another, and high costs of services provided by American companies,
and high costs of the few made-in-USA products that Americans still buy.

(This is mostly items with protectionism such as prescription drugs and
sugar, and items where ratio of price to weight or volume are low enough
for shipping costs to impair overseas competition. Those are mainly heavy
appliances, building materials, many paper products, many foods, 4-foot
fluorescent lamps, garden and potting soils, etc.)


So American workers have to be paid more than foreign workers for the
same standard of living!

USA has a couple other USA-specific factors favoring cash outflow from
the nation:

* Less fuel-efficient cars, more commuting by car and longer commutes -
USA imports a lot of oil for that reason.

USA "motor gasoline" consumption over the first 9 months of 2005 was 9.1
million barrels/day.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Usa/Oil.html

At $85 per barrel and 30.4 days per month, assuming consumption rate
same now as then, this is a rate of $23.5 billion/month contribution to
the trade deficit. October's trade deficit was $58 billion.

* Worst-in-the-world middle-of-the-road drug laws!

If we had drug laws like those that my highschool German teacher said
Germany has (or had then), we would not be doing much importing of illegal
drugs. There would be little use of illegal drugs if one gets 2 years in
the joint for getting caught with half a joint!

If we had drug laws like those of 1900, then marijuana, opiates and
cocaine would be legal and we could make our own.

- Don Klipstein )

wrote:
>"bill gorley" > wrote:
>> Dave Frightens Me > said:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:04:08 GMT, John Doe >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "C.J." > wrote:
>>>>> "Jack F. Twist" > wrote:

>>>>>> Yes, I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>>>>> Bush is Hitler reborn.

*cough* *cough* Godwin! *cough*

>>>>> No way! Hitler may have been evil, but his IQ was higher than
>>>>> that of a stump.

*cough* *cough* Godwin! *cough*

>>>> There is a poster with George Bush Jr.'s face on it. On top it says
>>>> "like a rock", under the picture it says "... only dumber"
>>>
>>> He's a good proxy for those working under him.
>>
>> What's frightening is how good a proxy he is for his owners behind
>> the scenes. bg
>
>I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's
>academic average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?
>
>Not a Bush supporter, but the irony of these posts being so factually
>uninformed, i.e. "stupid", is hard to resist.

*GASP!!*
How DARE you introduce FACTS in this thread!!!!!11!!!!!!1!


--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

wrote:
>Mason Barge wrote:

>> I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys do realize that Bush's
>> academic average at Yale was higher than Kerry's?
>
>That just makes me wonder who the family paid to write his papers ansd
>take the exams for him.

About the same ALGore and JFKerry's families paid for theirs.

--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.