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![]() http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements By KIM SEVERSON "EVERY week, Merry Debbrecht pulls about 1,200 cookies out of her electric range in Rose Hill, Kan. She packs them a dozen at a time in Ziploc bags, fills a postal box and sends them to war. Mrs. Debbrecht's care packages, born of a grandmotherly caring for the young soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, are not much different from the ones that have long made their way to battlefields. But now, the troops who receive Mrs. Debbrecht's cookies request them through a Web site called www.treatthetroops.org , and send her thank-you notes via e-mail. Familiar food has long comforted troops fighting wars in foreign countries. But the modern care package is different because of the complicated logistics of this war, advancements in technology and the diverse and sophisticated palates of today's troops. In Chico, Calif., Terry Westlake, 52, sends batches of homemade organic granola and Odwalla power bars to her son, Brian, a trained chef who is a sergeant in the 10th Mountain Division. "He's really on a health kick," she said. "Anything we send, even the jerky, has to be organic." In a latte-swilling nation, it stands to reason that soldiers would prefer something better than the Civil War-era coffee paste or the packets of freeze-dried coffee that have been standard issue since World War II. This month, Crystal White, who works at a Starbucks in Waterville, Me., organized a shipment of 106 pounds of coffee beans and a small grinder to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. Ms. White got the idea after she watched a holiday television special broadcast from the base and heard a soldier talk about all the coffee they drank. "I wanted them to have something they're used to, something from back home," said Ms. White, whose siblings have served in the military. "I wanted them to know that there's something they are fighting for." Advances in coffee culture have even extended to "meals ready to eat," the portable field rations that are a constant source of nutrition in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of the newest versions will contain chocolate-covered espresso beans. And in a nod to the increasing ethnic diversity of troops, some M.R.E.'s will soon include snack bread flavored with chipotle, packets of salsa verde and spice mixes from the New Orleans chef Paul Prudhomme. "The culinary expectations of our war-fighters are rising each year and we want to make sure the palate is well entertained," said Gerald Darsch, director of the Department of Defense Combat Feeding Directorate. Other new field rations include an expanded line of vegetarian dishes, including lasagna and chicken pesto pasta. "I recommend a chardonnay with that," Mr. Darsch said. Of course, alcohol can't be an official part of any care package. But that doesn't mean people don't try. Ms. Westlake said a friend's son wanted some vodka, so the family filled some Listerine bottles, added a little blue food coloring and shipped it over. Families who pack boxes of food for the troops have to work around regulations unique to this war. Pork products are forbidden. And unlike in past wars, where a well-meaning home cook could make a batch of cookies and send them to "Any Service Member," the threat of anthrax or other terrorist acts means packages must be addressed to a specific person. Well-meaning volunteers who want to send something to the troops but have no personal connection can turn to America Supports You ( www.americasupportsyou.mil ), a kind of clearinghouse created to solve the problem. Allison Barber, a former public relations executive who is now deputy assistant secretary for public affairs with the Department of Defense, came up with the idea a year and a half ago. "I heard from troops overseas who wondered if Americans back home supported them," she said. The idea has grown to a network of more than 20 corporations and 200 grass-roots groups that coordinate package shipments and events for troops. Phone cards, clean socks and cookies have all been shipped through the organization. Some groups have arranged steak cookouts on aircraft carriers or shipped cases of Girl Scout cookies. And although the occasional box of Thin Mints melts into an unappealing blob in the Iraqi heat, they are gobbled up anyway. "A taste of home is a taste of home," Ms. Barber said. Many families send food on their own. Pamela M. Stachler of Athens, Ohio, might be the champion. She personally spent about $4,000 on 68 care packages to her son, Nick, during his three tours as an Army Ranger with the 82nd Airborne Division. "The one thing they long for is mail and food packages," she said. "My son told me that that's what kept him going." When her son first went over, at the start of the war in 2003, the military's internal mail system wasn't set up to handle the sometimes chaotic and fast-changing nature of troop deployment. As a result, some of her packages took a month to arrive. Since then the system has been streamlined. The postal service sells a flat-rate box a little larger than a briefcase that can be shipped to any military address for $8.10, no matter what the weight. Care packages, which can include food and other items like socks and sunscreen, usually arrive in 10 days to two weeks. Ms. Stachler, 49, stuffed her packages with the usual suspects - chips and salsa, canned chicken and little jars of mayonnaise, instant pasta and an array of crackers, candy and gum. But she managed to get most of a deer, butchered and turned into stick sausage and jerky, to her son. Thanks to vacuum packing and lots of cold packs, the meat arrived intact. "We called it the Baghdad Deer from Lodi Township," she said. Sergeant Stachler shared it with buddies, like almost every care package he received. "It was good, real good," he said. "That's what you wait for, because all we eat pretty much are the M.R.E.'s. American food, it just makes your day." Of course, the classics are still finding their way overseas. During World War II, Katz's Deli in Manhattan created the slogan "Send a salami to your boy in the Army." People still do. The deli ships about 25 dried beef salamis a week. In Mrs. Debbrecht's book, cookies remain the most comforting food a soldier can receive. Most are made with chocolate chips, but she substitutes M & Ms in the summer because they don't melt as easily. Her lemon cookies are popular, too. "They drink a lot of tea over there and I think lemon cookies go really good with it," she said. For Petty Officer Third Class Kimberly Husser, aboard the guided missile destroyer McFaul, the cookies Mrs. Debbrecht sent were like little miracles. "We close our eyes at night with a plan in case of an attack, we sweat for 16 hours a day in the 140-degree weather, rarely do we get to talk to our children or loved ones," she wrote in an e-mail. "It relieved a lot of stress to just sit and eat cookies with the crew you work so hard with all day. If I had a chance to thank her in person I would give her the warmest hug and tell her how she brought our crew closer together with just a single cookie." </> |
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![]() Gregory Morrow wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html > > For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements > By KIM SEVERSON <snip> **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's hear the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and emails from soldiers. -L. |
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> Gregory Morrow wrote: >> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html >> >> For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements >> By KIM SEVERSON > > <snip> > > **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! > > "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's hear > the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes > and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and > emails from soldiers. > > -L. Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, even if it isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of WWII, Korea and VietNam and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth lightly. Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an airplane, people who join the military and get shipped off don't get to choose where they are sent. And every little care package reminds them we care even if we don't approve of the war they are fighting. Jill |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, even if it > isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of WWII, Korea and > VietNam I'm not imprressed. He went through all that and is still a racist asshole? Some people apparently will never learn, will they? > and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) > and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth lightly. > Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an airplane, people > who join the military and get shipped off don't get to choose where they are > sent. And every little care package reminds them we care even if we don't > approve of the war they are fighting. > > Jill Yeah, "Honey", and bullshit articles in the media like this one make people think war is just cookies and rosy welcome-homes. And I'll "shoot off my mouth" anytime I ****ing feel like it. Get it? -L. |
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> jmcquown wrote: >> Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, >> even if it isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of >> WWII, Korea and VietNam > > I'm not imprressed. He went through all that and is still a racist > asshole? Some people apparently will never learn, will they? > No one can account for racist attitudes. I won't say the wars taught him anything one way or the other but he had no say in where government sent him. He also hates cats, what can I say? >> and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) >> and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth >> lightly. Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an >> airplane, people who join the military and get shipped off don't get >> to choose where they are sent. And every little care package >> reminds them we care even if we don't approve of the war they are >> fighting. >> >> Jill > > Yeah, "Honey", and bullshit articles in the media like this one make > people think war is just cookies and rosy welcome-homes. And I'll > "shoot off my mouth" anytime I ****ing feel like it. Get it? > > -L. Of course you will, just as I do ![]() Articles. Opinions. Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of your adopted son, I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks serving in Iraq. Jill |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message . .. > -L. wrote: > > jmcquown wrote: > >> Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, > >> even if it isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of > >> WWII, Korea and VietNam > > > > I'm not imprressed. He went through all that and is still a racist > > asshole? Some people apparently will never learn, will they? > > > No one can account for racist attitudes. I won't say the wars taught him > anything one way or the other but he had no say in where government sent > him. He also hates cats, what can I say? > > >> and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) > >> and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth > >> lightly. Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an > >> airplane, people who join the military and get shipped off don't get > >> to choose where they are sent. And every little care package > >> reminds them we care even if we don't approve of the war they are > >> fighting. > >> > >> Jill > > > > Yeah, "Honey", and bullshit articles in the media like this one make > > people think war is just cookies and rosy welcome-homes. And I'll > > "shoot off my mouth" anytime I ****ing feel like it. Get it? > > > > -L. > > Of course you will, just as I do ![]() that. > Articles. Opinions. Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of > your adopted son, I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks > serving in Iraq. > Go Jill! I say make her captain of the Asshole Squad. Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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![]() cybercat wrote: > > Go Jill! > > I say make her captain of the Asshole Squad. Tha's Lt. Commander Stinky Asshole, to you. ![]() -L. |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > -L. wrote: <snip> > > > No one can account for racist attitudes. I won't say the wars taught him > anything one way or the other but he had no say in where government sent > him. He also hates cats, what can I say? LOL.... But I have to say, I find that pretty sad. I'd hope that anyone who participated in even one war would learn the futility of killing each other, and learn some compassion for his fellow man. <snip> > Of course you will, just as I do ![]() > Articles. Opinions. Yeah, and unfortunately, these kinds of "articles" are about all that we are "allowed" to read about this assinine war...THAT is what ****es me off. To get any decent news, you have to surf to Europe or the Middle East when they aren't blocking the connections... > Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of > your adopted son, Humm....I didn't know we were going to be on the same flight! LOL...Seriously, I don't worry about the odd passenger with a peanutbutter cookie or sandwich - I can always ask to be moved. In fact, I don't expect anyone individual to take us into consideration. What I do worry about is an entire cabin or airplane filled with nuts. I just want the option of changing flights if nuts are served. >I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks > serving in Iraq. Neither am I. I feel sorry for the kids who feel like they have no option but to join the military because they are poor and not academically gifted. There's a whole hell of a lot of them giving their lives for being poor. -L. |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > No one can account for racist attitudes. <snip> Hell, I wrote an entire response and it disappeared (probably censored!). Let's suffice it to say I don't disagree with you, but that I just get sick of not having access to real news about what's going on in Iraq (except via European and Middle Eastern news links, if and when you can access them) and I think we (collective) have a hell of a lot more important things to be thinking about than cookies... -L. .. |
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![]() -L. wrote: > jmcquown wrote: > > -L. wrote: > <snip> > > > > > > No one can account for racist attitudes. I won't say the wars taught him > > anything one way or the other but he had no say in where government sent > > him. He also hates cats, what can I say? > > LOL.... But I have to say, I find that pretty sad. I'd hope that > anyone who participated in even one war would learn the futility of > killing each other, and learn some compassion for his fellow man. Unfortunately acts of war are sometimes not only useful, they're sometimes the best possible avenue of action -- and thus necessary, e.g. the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan, the US Revolutionary War, etc., etc.... > <snip> > > > Of course you will, just as I do ![]() > > Articles. Opinions. > > Yeah, and unfortunately, these kinds of "articles" are about all that > we are "allowed" to read about this assinine war...THAT is what ****es > me off. To get any decent news, you have to surf to Europe or the > Middle East when they aren't blocking the connections... Actually it's your tinfoil hat that is "blocking the connections"... BTW, if you bother to read the _Times_ and other sources there are plenty of articles about the war. This particular article's topic happened to concern food items that folks sent the troops...or did you read it? > > Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of > > your adopted son, > > Humm....I didn't know we were going to be on the same flight! > LOL...Seriously, I don't worry about the odd passenger with a > peanutbutter cookie or sandwich - I can always ask to be moved. In > fact, I don't expect anyone individual to take us into consideration. > What I do worry about is an entire cabin or airplane filled with nuts. > I just want the option of changing flights if nuts are served. If I knew I was going to be on a flight with you lot I'd bring on TONS of peanuts... > >I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks > > serving in Iraq. > > Neither am I. I feel sorry for the kids who feel like they have no > option but to join the military because they are poor and not > academically gifted. There's a whole hell of a lot of them giving > their lives for being poor. That's life...and *everybody* eventually dies. -- Best Greg |
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![]() Gregory Morrow wrote: > > > Unfortunately acts of war are sometimes not only useful, they're > sometimes the best possible avenue of action -- and thus necessary, > e.g. the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan, the US Revolutionary > War, etc., etc.... Yeah, really "useful". Kill people to resolve your differences. Barbaric, at best. > > > > > <snip> > > > > > Of course you will, just as I do ![]() > > > Articles. Opinions. > > > > Yeah, and unfortunately, these kinds of "articles" are about all that > > we are "allowed" to read about this assinine war...THAT is what ****es > > me off. To get any decent news, you have to surf to Europe or the > > Middle East when they aren't blocking the connections... > > > Actually it's your tinfoil hat that is "blocking the connections"... Um, no, asshole. > > BTW, if you bother to read the _Times_ and other sources there are > plenty of articles about the war. Which "Times" would that be? There isn't a single major (or hell, even minor) newspaper in this country that isn't heavily censored. > > This particular article's topic happened to concern food items that > folks sent the troops...or did you read it? I read enough to know it was merely a "personal interst" piece and had nothing to do with anything of substance. > > > > > > Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of > > > your adopted son, > > > > Humm....I didn't know we were going to be on the same flight! > > LOL...Seriously, I don't worry about the odd passenger with a > > peanutbutter cookie or sandwich - I can always ask to be moved. In > > fact, I don't expect anyone individual to take us into consideration. > > What I do worry about is an entire cabin or airplane filled with nuts. > > I just want the option of changing flights if nuts are served. > > > If I knew I was going to be on a flight with you lot I'd bring on TONS > of peanuts... That's a really nice thing to say about an innocent two year old child. Of course people like you are the kind who advocate war...no life means anything to you except your own. > > > > >I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks > > > serving in Iraq. > > > > Neither am I. I feel sorry for the kids who feel like they have no > > option but to join the military because they are poor and not > > academically gifted. There's a whole hell of a lot of them giving > > their lives for being poor. > > > That's life...and *everybody* eventually dies. And many die because of the whims of rich (predominantly white) fat asses who don't have a clue what it means to have to struggle to survive. -L. |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > > -L. wrote: > > Gregory Morrow wrote: > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html > >> > >> For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements > >> By KIM SEVERSON > > > > <snip> > > > > **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! > > > > "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's hear > > the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes > > and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and > > emails from soldiers. > > > > -L. > > Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, even if it > isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of WWII, Korea and > VietNam and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) > and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth lightly. > Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an airplane, people > who join the military and get shipped off don't get to choose where they are > sent. And every little care package reminds them we care even if we don't > approve of the war they are fighting. > > Jill Recently, while cleaning out some stuff from my elderly Mom's house, we came across the letters she received from my Dad while he was overseas. (I don't know what happened to the letters she sent to him, but I'm guessing that when he was shipped home (on the Queen Elizabeth) he wasn't able to bring them.) Mom gave me permission to read them, since I was born while he was over there. In all of the letters, he mentioned to keep the letters and packages coming, that they were what keeps them going. EVERY letter, some asking for specific things, was a request and a thank you. ....Sharon |
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> jmcquown wrote: >> >> -L. wrote: >>> Gregory Morrow wrote: >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html >>>> >>>> For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements >>>> By KIM SEVERSON >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! >>> >>> "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's >>> hear >>> the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes >>> and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and >>> emails from soldiers. >>> >>> -L. >> >> Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, >> even if it isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of >> WWII, Korea and VietNam and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't >> have email back then) and cookies and brownies. So don't go >> shooting off your mouth lightly. Unlike me picking and choosing >> cookies and snacks for an airplane, people who join the military and >> get shipped off don't get to choose where they are sent. And every >> little care package reminds them we care even if we don't approve of >> the war they are fighting. >> >> Jill > Recently, while cleaning out some stuff from my elderly Mom's house, > we came across the letters she received from my Dad while he was > overseas. (I don't know what happened to the letters she sent to him, > but I'm guessing that when he was shipped home (on the Queen > Elizabeth) > he wasn't able to bring them.) Mom gave me permission to read them, > since I was born while he was over there. In all of the letters, he > mentioned to keep the letters and packages coming, that they were what > keeps them going. EVERY letter, some asking for specific things, was > a request and a thank you. ....Sharon Sharon, During the Vietnam years my father decided it would be the coolest thing if he and mom exchanged taped (as in reel-to-reel) taped letters to each other. He had a small battery powered reel-to-reel Sony tape recorder and mom and a big one. They taped letters back and forth. Dad gave me that small reel-to-reel recorder back in the 1980's. What he didn't realize was there was still a small 4 inch reel stuck in one of the pockets of the carrying case. When I queued it up I heard my Dad, who was about 35 at the time, talking about how Mom should go ahead and by me a proper bed since I'd been sleeping on a cot since I'd been out of my crib. I was 6 years old, maybe 7, when he recorded this. It was a strange and heartwarming thing to hear my father's voice talking about her buying me a bed, knowing as I listened he was away at a war (conflict) no one supported, but what was he worried about? Mom buying me a proper bed. She got me a canopy bed ![]() remember helping her bake peanut butter cookies and oatmeal cookies to ship to him. Yes, he treasured every package even though they took months to get there. I gather things are delivered faster these days. Jill |
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> Gregory Morrow wrote: > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html >> >>For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements >>By KIM SEVERSON > > > <snip> > > **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! > Yes, but why take it out on the troops? Many of them don't support the war either. Being angry about bad public policy is one thing. Directing your anger at the ones getting shot at every day is not. Do you really think your cookie boycott is going to fix our foreign policy? Withholding care packages from the troops is irrational. > "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's hear > the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes > and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and > emails from soldiers. You must have a different cable package than I do. I see the carnage every day. -- Reg |
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"-L." > wrote: > Gregory Morrow wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html > > > > For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements > > By KIM SEVERSON > > <snip> > > **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! > > "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's hear > the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes > and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and > emails from soldiers. > > -L. Gods your a bitch. But you are right. :-( Cheers........ -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > -L. wrote: > > Gregory Morrow wrote: > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html > >> > >> For Soldiers' Appetites, Reinforcements > >> By KIM SEVERSON > > > > <snip> > > > > **** sending them cookies. Just bring them back home! > > > > "Personal interest" stories like this make me wanna puke. Let's hear > > the real stories of war - where little kids get shrapnel in the eyes > > and grandmas get their legs blown off. War is not about cookies and > > emails from soldiers. > > > > -L. > > Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, even if it > isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of WWII, Korea and > VietNam and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) > and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth lightly. > Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an airplane, people > who join the military and get shipped off don't get to choose where they are > sent. And every little care package reminds them we care even if we don't > approve of the war they are fighting. > > Jill I don't think she was suggesting that we don't send moral packages..... It's one way to keep them from despair. I've read some reports that suicide rates among troops are unacceptably high so they need all the love we can send them. But we do need to bring them home. The turning point has come and the people over there don't want us there anymore. I love that line from "The Postman": "It'd be great if wars were fought just by the assholes who started them." Lets put Bush and Hussein into a ring with a pair of swords. Winner take all. Hell of it is, both of them are cowards....... <sigh> -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > -L. wrote: > > jmcquown wrote: > >> Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, > >> even if it isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of > >> WWII, Korea and VietNam > > > > I'm not imprressed. He went through all that and is still a racist > > asshole? Some people apparently will never learn, will they? > > > No one can account for racist attitudes. I won't say the wars taught him > anything one way or the other but he had no say in where government sent > him. He also hates cats, what can I say? Damn. I did not know that. That explains a LOT! The vast majority of cat haters are control freaks...... > > >> and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) > >> and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth > >> lightly. Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an > >> airplane, people who join the military and get shipped off don't get > >> to choose where they are sent. And every little care package > >> reminds them we care even if we don't approve of the war they are > >> fighting. > >> > >> Jill > > > > Yeah, "Honey", and bullshit articles in the media like this one make > > people think war is just cookies and rosy welcome-homes. And I'll > > "shoot off my mouth" anytime I ****ing feel like it. Get it? > > > > -L. > > Of course you will, just as I do ![]() > Articles. Opinions. Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of > your adopted son, I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks > serving in Iraq. > > Jill It amazes me the extreme emotional responses that this kind of thing invokes. This war is every bit as unpopular I think as the Vietnam war was. I think the major difference is that this situation has made a LOT more enemies even among our allies. I feel for our troops and both of you are correct and have valid opinions, or at least that's my 2 cents. ;-) I don't know what to do or how to feel anymore. I'm all torn up inside over it......... I was listening to the radio this morning and there are those that are of the strong opinion that us launching a pre-emptive war has directly lead to nuclear proliferation in both Korea and Iran. Both countries felt thet needed "the bomb" to scare us into not invading them. So, has this whole situation done more harm than good?????? But, we can't blame it on our people that have been sent over there! I'm all for care packages......... and bringing them home asap. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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wrote: > "jmcquown" > wrote in message > . .. > > -L. wrote: > > > jmcquown wrote: > > >> Well sweetie, those soldiers appreciate care packages from home, > > >> even if it isn't from their own home. My father is a veteran of > > >> WWII, Korea and VietNam > > > > > > I'm not imprressed. He went through all that and is still a racist > > > asshole? Some people apparently will never learn, will they? > > > > > No one can account for racist attitudes. I won't say the wars taught him > > anything one way or the other but he had no say in where government sent > > him. He also hates cats, what can I say? > > > > >> and he sure appreciated letters (they didn't have email back then) > > >> and cookies and brownies. So don't go shooting off your mouth > > >> lightly. Unlike me picking and choosing cookies and snacks for an > > >> airplane, people who join the military and get shipped off don't get > > >> to choose where they are sent. And every little care package > > >> reminds them we care even if we don't approve of the war they are > > >> fighting. > > >> > > >> Jill > > > > > > Yeah, "Honey", and bullshit articles in the media like this one make > > > people think war is just cookies and rosy welcome-homes. And I'll > > > "shoot off my mouth" anytime I ****ing feel like it. Get it? > > > > > > -L. > > > > Of course you will, just as I do ![]() > that. > > Articles. Opinions. Just like I'm not packing peanut butter because of > > your adopted son, I'm also not adverse to shipping some cookies to folks > > serving in Iraq. > > > > Go Jill! > > I say make her captain of the Asshole Squad. I don't. As I agree with both of them......... -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"-L." > wrote: > Neither am I. I feel sorry for the kids who feel like they have no > option but to join the military because they are poor and not > academically gifted. There's a whole hell of a lot of them giving > their lives for being poor. > > -L. That is so frickin' true....... and so very sad. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> I don't think she was suggesting that we don't send moral packages..... > It's one way to keep them from despair. I've read some reports that > suicide rates among troops are unacceptably high so they need all the > love we can send them. Exactly. So how does "**** sending them cookies" help in this endeavor? > But we do need to bring them home. The one has nothing to do with the other. I worry when people confuse these two issues. Our troops != Our leaders Just a friendly reminder ![]() -- Reg |
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"-L." > wrote: > Yeah, really "useful". Kill people to resolve your differences. > Barbaric, at best. W A R We Are Right About sums it up don't you think? Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Again. And again. And again........ -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() > > Sharon, > > During the Vietnam years my father decided it would be the coolest thing if > he and mom exchanged taped (as in reel-to-reel) taped letters to each other. > He had a small battery powered reel-to-reel Sony tape recorder and mom and a > big one. They taped letters back and forth. Dad gave me that small > reel-to-reel recorder back in the 1980's. What he didn't realize was there > was still a small 4 inch reel stuck in one of the pockets of the carrying > case. When I queued it up I heard my Dad, who was about 35 at the time, > talking about how Mom should go ahead and by me a proper bed since I'd been > sleeping on a cot since I'd been out of my crib. I was 6 years old, maybe > 7, when he recorded this. It was a strange and heartwarming thing to hear > my father's voice talking about her buying me a bed, knowing as I listened > he was away at a war (conflict) no one supported, but what was he worried > about? Mom buying me a proper bed. She got me a canopy bed ![]() > remember helping her bake peanut butter cookies and oatmeal cookies to ship > to him. Yes, he treasured every package even though they took months to get > there. I gather things are delivered faster these days. > > Jill Hope so! I wish I had a recording, but having the letters is great too. The ones that touched me most were the ones written in the month of my birth, reminding my Mom to cable him as soon as I was born and the reply to the cable where he said "I was so happy I would have cried if there weren't so many "boys" around". He also sent letters with advice on how to teach me to walk, how to keep me from climbing out of my crib (I fell out of my crib and sprained my arm). There are 182 letters and I'm not through them yet. ......Sharon |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:28:14 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article .com>, > "-L." > wrote: > >> Neither am I. I feel sorry for the kids who feel like they have no >> option but to join the military because they are poor and not >> academically gifted. There's a whole hell of a lot of them giving >> their lives for being poor. >> >> -L. > > That is so frickin' true....... No it's not. -- -Jeff B. zoomie at fastmail dot fm |
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![]() OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > W > A > R > > We > Are > Right > > About sums it up don't you think? > > Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. > > Again. > > And again. > > And again........ > -- > Peace! > Om too true! -L. |
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![]() Reg wrote: > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > I don't think she was suggesting that we don't send moral packages..... > > It's one way to keep them from despair. I've read some reports that > > suicide rates among troops are unacceptably high so they need all the > > love we can send them. > > Exactly. So how does "**** sending them cookies" help > in this endeavor? The point is Reg, sending them cookies doesn't do a hell of a lot to help them out - as compared to stopping this ill-conceived, ill-executed, offensive war and getting them home. > > > But we do need to bring them home. > > The one has nothing to do with the other. I worry > when people confuse these two issues. > > Our troops != Our leaders Lead us where? Hell in a handbasket? The "troups" are the biggest group of followers there are. -L. |
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![]() OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > Gods your a bitch. Goddamned right. The world is not changed by a bunch of mamby-pamby followers. > > But you are right. :-( Of course. ![]() -L. |
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![]() Gregory Morrow wrote: > I'll be awfully glad when Earthlink's news servers are back up and > running -- on my regular newsreader I have your utter rubbish > killfiled... > > -- > Best > Greg :-) Oooh...you so studly with that killfile! Truth hurts, doesn't it? -L. (my apologies to CC for stealing your line...) |
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-L. wrote:
> Reg wrote: > >> >>The one has nothing to do with the other. I worry >>when people confuse these two issues. >> >>Our troops != Our leaders > > Lead us where? Hell in a handbasket? The "troups" are the biggest > group of followers there are. LOL != means "not equal to" -- Reg |
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Yeff > wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:28:14 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > In article .com>, > > "-L." > wrote: > > > >> Neither am I. I feel sorry for the kids who feel like they have no > >> option but to join the military because they are poor and not > >> academically gifted. There's a whole hell of a lot of them giving > >> their lives for being poor. > >> > >> -L. > > > > That is so frickin' true....... > > No it's not. Obviously you've not seen some of the recruiting campaigns. It is all too true........ -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"-L." > wrote: > Reg wrote: > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > > > I don't think she was suggesting that we don't send moral packages..... > > > It's one way to keep them from despair. I've read some reports that > > > suicide rates among troops are unacceptably high so they need all the > > > love we can send them. > > > > Exactly. So how does "**** sending them cookies" help > > in this endeavor? > > The point is Reg, sending them cookies doesn't do a hell of a lot to > help them out - as compared to stopping this ill-conceived, > ill-executed, offensive war and getting them home. > > > > > > But we do need to bring them home. > > > > The one has nothing to do with the other. I worry > > when people confuse these two issues. > > > > Our troops != Our leaders > > Lead us where? Hell in a handbasket? The "troups" are the biggest > group of followers there are. > > -L. I don't entirely agree with that... All thru history, troops do what they are told, go where they are sent and, well, just try to survive. Most of them are just pawns in a giant chess game and are just as helpless as we are. Rebelling or deserting earns nothing but a jail sentence. I work with several ex-military. What is interesting is that the split is about 60-30-10. 60% of them are against this whole mess and object to it, 30% are gung-ho all towards it, and 10% don't know what to think. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:15:32 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> Obviously you've not seen some of the recruiting campaigns. > It is all too true........ I spent 10 years in the Air Force and currently run a mailing list of present and former military members, more than a few of whom have served in either Afghanistan or Iraq. My father retired from the Army and my brother served for 10 years and made it into Kuwait during Desert Storm. My own daughter is in JROTC in high school and will be going to Fort Jackson this August for Army basic training. She made this decision after giving *serious* thought to going to a service academy, thought which included a visit and tour to the US Military Academy at West Point, a tour arranged by the Honorable Michael Montelongo who, at the time, was the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Financial Management and Comptroller. Mr. Montelongo was also a graduate of West Point and invited us for a visit at the Pentagon. The meeting with him lasted just over an hour and included Pat Walker Locke, one of the 2 first black women to graduate from West Point. Mrs. Walker was so impressed with my daughter that she invited her to a brunch she was having the next day. At that brunch was Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, the 1st black First Captain at West Point. BG Brooks was also the spokesman for CENTCOM during the Iraqi invasion: <http://www.udel.edu/global/community/brooksbio.html> My daughter has some *amazing* opportunities opened up for her and she's *choosing* to enlist. Yes, I've seen the recruiting campaigns. -- -Jeff B. zoomie at fastmail dot fm |
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Yeff > wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:15:32 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > Obviously you've not seen some of the recruiting campaigns. > > It is all too true........ > > I spent 10 years in the Air Force and currently run a mailing list of > present and former military members, more than a few of whom have served > in either Afghanistan or Iraq. My father retired from the Army and my > brother served for 10 years and made it into Kuwait during Desert Storm. > > My own daughter is in JROTC in high school and will be going to Fort > Jackson this August for Army basic training. She made this decision > after giving *serious* thought to going to a service academy, thought > which included a visit and tour to the US Military Academy at West > Point, a tour arranged by the Honorable Michael Montelongo who, at the > time, was the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Financial > Management and Comptroller. Mr. Montelongo was also a graduate of West > Point and invited us for a visit at the Pentagon. The meeting with him > lasted just over an hour and included Pat Walker Locke, one of the 2 > first black women to graduate from West Point. Mrs. Walker was so > impressed with my daughter that she invited her to a brunch she was > having the next day. At that brunch was Brigadier General Vincent > Brooks, the 1st black First Captain at West Point. BG Brooks was also > the spokesman for CENTCOM during the Iraqi invasion: > <http://www.udel.edu/global/community/brooksbio.html> > > My daughter has some *amazing* opportunities opened up for her and she's > *choosing* to enlist. > > Yes, I've seen the recruiting campaigns. In other words, you did not have the money to send her to a good college... and were not poor enough to qualify for pel grants. Sorry. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:15:52 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In other words, you did not have the money to send her to a good > college... and were not poor enough to qualify for pel grants. > > Sorry. You missed the point entirely. Enlisting isn't something she wants to do in lieu of a good job or a college opportunity, it's just something she wants to do. -- -Jeff B. zoomie at fastmail dot fm |
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Yeff > wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:15:52 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > In other words, you did not have the money to send her to a good > > college... and were not poor enough to qualify for pel grants. > > > > Sorry. > > You missed the point entirely. Enlisting isn't something she wants to > do in lieu of a good job or a college opportunity, it's just something > she wants to do. So, she is risking her life.... for what? I'm sure you are proud of her, she sounds like a fantastic kid. But that won't be much comfort if you, like a couple of thousand parents in our country, are placing flowers on her grave. It's really none of my business and I certainly respect individual decisions but I personally feel (please keep in mind it's personal for ME not YOU) that anyone that enlists right now is a bloody fool. We have a retarded psychopath for a CIC. He's another damned Hitler. It's just....... wrong. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31care.html > > > Other new field rations include an expanded line of vegetarian dishes, > including lasagna and chicken pesto pasta. ?!?!?!? Made with real vegetarian chicken?!?!? > |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:24 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> So, she is risking her life.... for what? For you. -- -Jeff B. zoomie at fastmail dot fm |
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Yeff > wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:24 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > So, she is risking her life.... for what? > > For you. Uh, I don't think so... Not in Iraq. Afghanistan maybe. But the news seldom talks about that anymore. What are we REALLY doing over there? What is the truth? Regime change, while not a bad thing, is not going to do any good. The police force we have "trained" so far is just as ugly and corrupt as the previous one so far. What have we accomplished? That country will go nowhere until they have a true democracy, and SEPARATE CHURCH AND STATE like we have. What are the odds? -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() Reg wrote: > -L. wrote: > > > Reg wrote: > > > >> > >>The one has nothing to do with the other. I worry > >>when people confuse these two issues. > >> > >>Our troops != Our leaders > > > > Lead us where? Hell in a handbasket? The "troups" are the biggest > > group of followers there are. > > LOL > > != means "not equal to" I thought it was a typo! -L. |
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![]() Yeff wrote: > My daughter has some *amazing* opportunities opened up for her and she's > *choosing* to enlist. Hope you don't get her back in a body bag. > > Yes, I've seen the recruiting campaigns. They target the poor and those with no prospects. That's a fact. -L. |
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![]() Yeff wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:24 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > So, she is risking her life.... for what? > > For you. P-****ing-lease! Tell her I said get a job at KMart instead. She isn't doing jack **** for me, except wasting my tax dollar. Another case of military brat brainwashed by parental unit...Pretty sad, really. -L. |
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