Sheldon wrote on 05 Jun 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> Then why not toss your grill in the trash... I mean like in just Noo
> Joisey alone every summer some 30 gazillion perfectly acceptible
> steaks, burgers, and weenies are cooked on grills, WITHOUT pans... but
> according to brainless CONVICTED FELONS like you that method sucks.
> LURKER TROUBLEMAKER... EskWIRED is a known CHILD MOLESTER... may the
> gods of terminal illness visit upon you... DIE, you dirtbag!
>
> Sheldon
>
>

grilling...rotisserrieing ...different things.

When grilling no pan is required...due to the speed of cooking and the
heat of the fire.

rotissierrie the fire is less intense and the cooking time is
longer...Allowing more juices to drip. If there isn't a pan to collect
these juices or a fire hot enough to deal with them...They collect in all
the nooks and crannies allowing for grease fire surprise next time you
grill at a high temp.

--
-Alan

Sheldon wrote:
>
> EskWIRED@CHILDMOLESTER wrote:
>>
>> While the tastiest grilling is done using hardwood embers, I'd still
>> rather eat food cooked with a calrod on the side, rather than food bathed
>> in the vapors of partially burnt grease, as advocated by Sheldon.
>
> Then why not toss your grill in the trash... I mean like in just Noo
> Joisey alone every summer some 30 gazillion perfectly acceptible
> steaks, burgers, and weenies are cooked on grills, WITHOUT pans... but
> according to brainless CONVICTED FELONS like you that method sucks.
> LURKER TROUBLEMAKER... EskWIRED is a known CHILD MOLESTER... may the
> gods of terminal illness visit upon you... DIE, you dirtbag!
>
> Sheldon
>

wait...did you ascertain his criminal behavior based on his disagreement on
grilling methods or are you privvy to some super secret info?

Can I accuse you of international espionage because we disagree on whether or
not you can serve cheese and fish in the same 24 hour period?

I mean I'm just wondering? Because if we use your method I think this place
would become way way more interesting.

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jay wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:11:22 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>
> > In rec.food.cooking, jay > wrote:
> >
> >> Grilling, BBQ..ing, and smoking are all different cooking methods.
> When >> you use the electric element on a gas grill for rotisserie
> cooking, you >> are actually using your grill as an oven.
> >
> > Naw. In an oven, you cook with convection.
>
> Webster on line
> Main Entry: convection oven
> Function: noun
> : an oven having a fan that circulates hot air uniformly and
> continuously : around food
>
> I don't own a convection oven or a fan.

You looked up the wrong thing:

Main Entry: con·vec·tion
Pronunciation: k&n-'vek-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin convection-, convectio, from Latin convehere to
bring together, from com- + vehere to carry -- more at WAY
1 : the action or process of conveying
2 a : the circulatory motion that occurs in a fluid at a nonuniform
temperature owing to the variation of its density and the action of
gravity b : the transfer of heat by convection -- compare CONDUCTION,
RADIATION
- con·vec·tion·al /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective


The main heating mechanism in the ANY oven is convection, unless you
use a stone (conduction) or broiler (radiation).




Brian
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Sheldon wrote:
> Rfc is becoming pretty dull of late too, it's hardly about food
> anymore and what little occurs is infantile claptrap.

Then leave.

--Blair
"Solve that problem both ways."

In rec.food.cooking, Sheldon > wrote:

> EskWIRED@CHILDMOLESTER wrote:
> >
> > While the tastiest grilling is done using hardwood embers, I'd still
> > rather eat food cooked with a calrod on the side, rather than food bathed
> > in the vapors of partially burnt grease, as advocated by Sheldon.

> Then why not toss your grill in the trash...

Because the food I grill over hardwood embers tastes so good?

I mean like in just Noo
> Joisey alone every summer some 30 gazillion perfectly acceptible
> steaks, burgers, and weenies are cooked on grills, WITHOUT pans...

"Perfectly acceptable" is damn faint praise. "The best I've ever had" or
"I can't believe how good this is" or "How do you DO this?" are the kinds
of comments I prefer. Seldom does one hear such things when serving food
cooked over gas flames and burning (or smoking) grease.

but
> according to brainless CONVICTED FELONS like you

Convicted felon? Where do you get that shit? I've never ever even been
arested.

> that method sucks.

Naw. It doesn't suck. Its a mediocre convenience-based method. It
doesn't suck any more than drip coffee sucks. But once you get used to
the good stuff, its hard to take those who enthuse about mediocrity
seriously.


> LURKER TROUBLEMAKER... EskWIRED is a known CHILD MOLESTER... may the
> gods of terminal illness visit upon you... DIE, you dirtbag!

Where do you get this shit? Felon? Child molester? You going off the
edge just because you can't admit your beloved Weber is a mediocre tool?

Here's a suggestion: Try some good meat grilled over hardwood. Then try
some grilled over smoking grease. Tell me what you learn.



--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow

In rec.food.cooking, jay > wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:11:22 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

> > In rec.food.cooking, jay > wrote:
> >
> >> Grilling, BBQ..ing, and smoking are all different cooking methods. When
> >> you use the electric element on a gas grill for rotisserie cooking, you
> >> are actually using your grill as an oven.
> >
> > Naw. In an oven, you cook with convection.

> Webster on line
> Main Entry: convection oven
> Function: noun
> : an oven having a fan that circulates hot air uniformly and continuously
> : around food

> I don't own a convection oven or a fan.

I'm not referring to the coloquial (and somewhat *******ized) use of
"convection oven". I'm referring to the method of transferring heat via
convection (as opposed to radiation and conduction, the two other
methods). Hot air, in any oven, heats the food using convection. Grills
use a combination of conduction from the hot metal and radiation from the
glowing coals.

That's why I said that the "side burner" is closer to grilling than oven
cooking: It uses radiant heat instead of convection.


>
> > It is closer to grilling over red hot embers than it is to using hot air
> > to do the job, like in an oven.
> >
> > While the tastiest grilling is done using hardwood embers, I'd still
> > rather eat food cooked with a calrod on the side, rather than food bathed
> > in the vapors of partially burnt grease, as advocated by Sheldon.
>
> Like I said "Grilling, BBQ..ing, and smoking are all different cooking
> methods."
>

I never disagreed (so long as by "smoking" you mean "cold smoking" which
is not technically a means of cooking). If not, what is the difference
between BBQing and smoking in your mind?



> >> I use my gas grill as an oven quite often. It is connected to the
> >> natural gas source so no schlepping of LP. Chicken/whatever on one
> >> side, fire on the other. Works great.
> >
> > Why not just use your oven?

> My gas grill is outside and it does not heat up the inside of the house,
> and sometimes I am outside and choose to cook outside. A tin box heated
> by whatever including the sun can be an oven.

Fair enough.


> Webster on line
> Main Entry: ov?en
> Pronunciation: '&-v&n
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Middle English, from Old English ofen; akin to Old High German ofan
> oven and perhaps to Greek ipnos oven
> : a chamber used for baking, heating, or drying.

> I hope this helped.

Look up "convection" on Wikipedia. There's some relevant stuff there.
And again, in your mind, what is the distinction between BBQing and
smoking?




--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow

In rec.food.cooking, Default User > wrote:
> jay wrote:

> > On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:11:22 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
> >
> > > In rec.food.cooking, jay > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Grilling, BBQ..ing, and smoking are all different cooking methods.
> > When >> you use the electric element on a gas grill for rotisserie
> > cooking, you >> are actually using your grill as an oven.
> > >
> > > Naw. In an oven, you cook with convection.
> >
> > Webster on line
> > Main Entry: convection oven
> > Function: noun
> > : an oven having a fan that circulates hot air uniformly and
> > continuously : around food
> >
> > I don't own a convection oven or a fan.

> You looked up the wrong thing:

> Main Entry: con?vec?tion
> Pronunciation: k&n-'vek-sh&n
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Late Latin convection-, convectio, from Latin convehere to
> bring together, from com- + vehere to carry -- more at WAY
> 1 : the action or process of conveying
> 2 a : the circulatory motion that occurs in a fluid at a nonuniform
> temperature owing to the variation of its density and the action of
> gravity b : the transfer of heat by convection -- compare CONDUCTION,
> RADIATION
> - con?vec?tion?al /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective


> The main heating mechanism in the ANY oven is convection, unless you
> use a stone (conduction) or broiler (radiation).

Right. You knew what I meant exactly. One might argue that the air which
touches the burner is heated by conduction, while the rest of the air is
heated by convection, and that the air, in turn, heats the meat by
conduction, but that would be hyper-technical to the point of being silly.

Generally, all ovens heat the food using convection, and the ones with a
fan are "forced convection".

--
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow