Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> I know how to use all this stuff except for "Boiled Apple Snail
> Meat". They're pretty nice looking meats, vacuum-packed so it'll
> last a while in the freezer - at least until I get really drunk
> and try something with it.

My turtle likes them raw.
Some things are not meant for human consumption, Steve...

-L.

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
ups.com:

>
> -L. wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> >
>> > I know how to use all this stuff except for "Boiled
>> > Apple Snail Meat". They're pretty nice looking meats,
>> > vacuum-packed so it'll last a while in the freezer - at
>> > least until I get really drunk and try something with
>> > it.
>>
>> My turtle likes them raw.

do you regularly worm the turtle? i'd be leery of passing
parasites... although i do give Mortis earthworms straight
from the garden, and just discovered Gamera *loves* crayfish!

>> Some things are not meant for human consumption, Steve...

i agree, but i think apple snails can't be as awful as raw
conch. i just don't care for crunchy, rubbery food. the hot
sauce was good though.

> Wow, what would PETA say!?

does anyone care?
yesterday at the pond across the street where we go to swim,
the vegan folks from Sustie's (vegan restaurant) were carrying
on about animal 'slavery'. i decided i needed to go home &
whip my livestock into producing more then i terrorized the
carrots by thinning a few for a salad...

lee

In article >,
Steve Wertz > wrote:

> On 16 Jul 2006 22:03:43 -0700, -L. wrote:
>
> > Some things are not meant for human consumption, Steve...
>
> Coming from a vegetarian...
>
> There are plenty of websites out there that say they're edible and
> even a delicacy. You may not like them, but some of us may.
>
> -sw

I'm just wishing that they'd not outlawed them for sale in pet stores in
Texas.

Best snails in the world for keeping the aquarium walls free of algae,
and since they are not hermaphroditic like most snails, their
reproduction rate was not as high. You have to actually have a pair.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

Steve Wertz wrote:
> Coming from a vegetarian...
>

I'm not a vegetarian.

> There are plenty of websites out there that say they're edible and
> even a delicacy. You may not like them, but some of us may.

It was a joke. I should have used a winky. But my turtle does love
them.

-L.

enigma wrote:
>
> do you regularly worm the turtle? i'd be leery of passing
> parasites... although i do give Mortis earthworms straight
> from the garden, and just discovered Gamera *loves* crayfish!

I never thought about it. Actually, I bought the snails to control
algae but he didn't let them...What species do you have? Primo is a
red eared slider, about a foot long.

-L.

"-L." > wrote in
oups.com:

>
> enigma wrote:
>>
>> do you regularly worm the turtle? i'd be leery of passing
>> parasites... although i do give Mortis earthworms straight
>> from the garden, and just discovered Gamera *loves*
>> crayfish!
>
> I never thought about it. Actually, I bought the snails to
> control algae but he didn't let them...What species do you
> have? Primo is a red eared slider, about a foot long.

my current turtle is Gamera. he's (ok, i'm still guessing
gender) a snapping turtle & will be 2 in August. he's about
4.5" now. i do restrict his diet somewhat as it's unhealthy to
let them grow too quickly. he had a very short hibernation
last winter, only 6 weeks, so he's a bit bigger than an
average 2 year old.
i also have Mortis, a male Bell's hingeback tortoise and
Horus & Shelia, a pair of Spider tortoises (that i got just
before they became CITES listed). hopefully they'll be getting
to breeding size in the next year or so.
what size tank do you have for your slider? Gamera is
outgrowing his 10 gallon & i'm thinking of building something
custom since he doesn't need deep water. snappers don't swim
well.
and does your son tell everyone to wash thier hands after
touching the turtle? Boo was saying that as soon as he could
talk.
lee
--
I let go of the law, and people become honest.
I let go of economics, and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass.
When the will to power is in charge,
the higher the ideals, the lower the results.
- Lao Tzu

enigma wrote:
>
> my current turtle is Gamera. he's (ok, i'm still guessing
> gender) a snapping turtle & will be 2 in August. he's about
> 4.5" now. i do restrict his diet somewhat as it's unhealthy to
> let them grow too quickly. he had a very short hibernation
> last winter, only 6 weeks, so he's a bit bigger than an
> average 2 year old.
> i also have Mortis, a male Bell's hingeback tortoise and
> Horus & Shelia, a pair of Spider tortoises (that i got just
> before they became CITES listed). hopefully they'll be getting
> to breeding size in the next year or so.

Cool! The only downside to turtles is that they live so damn long. We
think this guy is at least 20 years old just based on his "look".
Someone threw him into our swimming pool when we lived in San Jose. We
know he is a male and once the pond is in, plan to adopt a female for
him.

> what size tank do you have for your slider?

He's currently in a 48-long but it's too small. We have plans for a
pond but it hasn't been put in yet this summer. He may have to wait
until next year, much to my chagrin. I found someone to do it for us
but DH is insisting he wants to do it himself.

>Gamera is
> outgrowing his 10 gallon & i'm thinking of building something
> custom since he doesn't need deep water. snappers don't swim
> well.
> and does your son tell everyone to wash thier hands after
> touching the turtle? Boo was saying that as soon as he could
> talk.

He's not allowed to touch the turtle yet. A couple more years and we
will start the routine. He does touch the snakes and we do the Purell
immediately, followed by washing. I am a freak about it.

-L.

-L. wrote:

> enigma wrote:
> >
> > my current turtle is Gamera. he's (ok, i'm still guessing
> > gender) a snapping turtle & will be 2 in August. he's about
> > 4.5" now. i do restrict his diet somewhat as it's unhealthy to
> > let them grow too quickly. he had a very short hibernation
> > last winter, only 6 weeks, so he's a bit bigger than an
> > average 2 year old.
> > i also have Mortis, a male Bell's hingeback tortoise and
> > Horus & Shelia, a pair of Spider tortoises (that i got just
> > before they became CITES listed). hopefully they'll be getting
> > to breeding size in the next year or so.
>
> Cool! The only downside to turtles is that they live so damn long. We
> think this guy is at least 20 years old just based on his "look".
> Someone threw him into our swimming pool when we lived in San Jose. We
> know he is a male and once the pond is in, plan to adopt a female for
> him.


Do you feed him peanuts, dear?


> > what size tank do you have for your slider?
>
> He's currently in a 48-long but it's too small. We have plans for a
> pond but it hasn't been put in yet this summer. He may have to wait
> until next year, much to my chagrin. I found someone to do it for us
> but DH is insisting he wants to do it himself.
>
> >Gamera is
> > outgrowing his 10 gallon & i'm thinking of building something
> > custom since he doesn't need deep water. snappers don't swim
> > well.
> > and does your son tell everyone to wash thier hands after
> > touching the turtle? Boo was saying that as soon as he could
> > talk.
>
> He's not allowed to touch the turtle yet. A couple more years and we
> will start the routine. He does touch the snakes and we do the Purell
> immediately, followed by washing. I am a freak about it.


Your place with all those amphibians must really STINK to high heaven
-- PHEW!



--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> Do you feed him peanuts, dear?

Why would I feed a turtle peanuts?

> Your place with all those amphibians must really STINK to high heaven
> -- PHEW!

I have no amphibians as compainion animals.
Snakes and turtles are REPTILES.

HTH,
-L.

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
oups.com:

> Do you feed him peanuts, dear?

the turtle? he wouldn't eat peanuts.

> Your place with all those amphibians must really STINK to
> high heaven -- PHEW!

um, turtles & snakes are reptiles, not amphibians, and
reptiles don't stink (ok, tropical snakes that aren't cleaned
can smell a bit funky).
why show your ignorance?
lee

"-L." > wrote in
oups.com:

>
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>> Do you feed him peanuts, dear?
>
> Why would I feed a turtle peanuts?

you wouldn't peanuts are a legume, which means they have
too much protien for turtles/tortoises. as a rare treat for a
tortoise, maybe, but for the most part you'd want to avoid the
whole family (as regular diets, these things can cause liver &
kidney damage in tortoises, along with malformed shells from
too rapid growth)
>
>> Your place with all those amphibians must really STINK to
>> high heaven -- PHEW!
>
> I have no amphibians as compainion animals.
> Snakes and turtles are REPTILES.

we do have amphibians occaisionally. efts, salamanders,
newts, fish... none of those smell bad either.
lee

In article >,
enigma > wrote:

> "-L." > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> >
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you feed him peanuts, dear?
> >
> > Why would I feed a turtle peanuts?
>
> you wouldn't peanuts are a legume, which means they have
> too much protien for turtles/tortoises. as a rare treat for a
> tortoise, maybe, but for the most part you'd want to avoid the
> whole family (as regular diets, these things can cause liver &
> kidney damage in tortoises, along with malformed shells from
> too rapid growth)

Meat is higher in protein than legumes...
The most important part of shell growth is mineral balance.
I fed a lot of cheap dog food when I had box tortoises. It had a lot of
bone fragments in it, and that's a GOOD thing.

> >
> >> Your place with all those amphibians must really STINK to
> >> high heaven -- PHEW!
> >
> > I have no amphibians as compainion animals.
> > Snakes and turtles are REPTILES.
>
> we do have amphibians occaisionally. efts, salamanders,
> newts, fish... none of those smell bad either.
> lee

Any critter will stink (including humans!) if their environment is not
kept clean... Try walking down the street in a ghetto some time.

Heck, I even police the front yard for dog crap at least every other
day, and often daily.

Just takes a few minutes with a poop rake and long handled dustpan...
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> enigma > wrote:
>
> > "-L." > wrote in
> > oups.com:
> >
> > >
> > > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do you feed him peanuts, dear?
> > >
> > > Why would I feed a turtle peanuts?
> >
> > you wouldn't peanuts are a legume, which means they have
> > too much protien for turtles/tortoises. as a rare treat for a
> > tortoise, maybe, but for the most part you'd want to avoid the
> > whole family (as regular diets, these things can cause liver &
> > kidney damage in tortoises, along with malformed shells from
> > too rapid growth)
>
> Meat is higher in protein than legumes...
> The most important part of shell growth is mineral balance.
> I fed a lot of cheap dog food when I had box tortoises. It had a lot of
> bone fragments in it, and that's a GOOD thing.
>
> > >
> > >> Your place with all those amphibians must really STINK to
> > >> high heaven -- PHEW!
> > >
> > > I have no amphibians as compainion animals.
> > > Snakes and turtles are REPTILES.
> >
> > we do have amphibians occaisionally. efts, salamanders,
> > newts, fish... none of those smell bad either.
> > lee
>
> Any critter will stink (including humans!) if their environment is not
> kept clean... Try walking down the street in a ghetto some time.


I had a bunch of college roomates who were biology majors and they kept
snakes, salamanders, etc. Lemme tell ya, the smells that emanated from
those critters' abodes was NAUSEATING, 30 years later I can recall that
smell exactly.

A few years back I had a neighbor, another biologist, natch. He kept
several snakes, the odd salamander, etc. He had a FILTHY 50 - gallon
aquariam. Not only did his place smell, but his filthy habits attracted
roaches. He also had three cats who ate wet food and that was an
additional "problem". He finally moved after I called the management
company and threatened to "take action" regard his House of Filth
housekeeping habits...

I said to him, "Just so you know, most people do NOT consider vermin
'pets' or 'just another one of God's creatures'...".

Maybe I was just unlucky and hit the filth "jackpot", but biologists
I've run into have a very poor conception of "cleanliness" -- and this
extends to their personal hygiene too.

Keeping animals in such dire conditions is IMNSHO a form of animal
abuse, in their natural states these creatures keep themselves clean
(at least by their standards)...all of these biologist types couldn't
understand that I guess.


> Heck, I even police the front yard for dog crap at least every other
> day, and often daily.
>
> Just takes a few minutes with a poop rake and long handled dustpan...


Good for you, Om. Wish more had yer attitude -- my congested Chicawgo
nabe is now chock - full of canines -- and also their cretin owners who
care not a wit about cleaning up after their pets. It REALLY detracts
from the quality of urban living...

IMNSHO no one should have a dog unless they have a yard of some kind to
keep it in...apartment dogs should be banned entirely (unless they are
guide animals).

--
Best
Greg

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> Meat is higher in protein than legumes...
> The most important part of shell growth is mineral balance.
> I fed a lot of cheap dog food when I had box tortoises. It had a lot of
> bone fragments in it, and that's a GOOD thing.

The main ingredient in cheap dog food is corn. The best diet for any
reptile is a natural one - in the case of a box turtle that would be
snails, slugs, worms, other insects and plant materials.

> Any critter will stink (including humans!) if their environment is not
> kept clean...

Of course. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Mr. Morrow hung out
with people who have no sense of hygiene -personal or otherwise.

Snakes shit stinks, but you remove it immediately and the problem is
gone. Same for cat shit. Or human shit, for that matter. It's not
neuroscience.

As for the turtle, he doesn't stink at all, because he has a very
efficient and well-established filter system. In fact, I have more
problem keeping the feeder tank balanced.

-L.

In article . com>,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> > Any critter will stink (including humans!) if their environment is not
> > kept clean... Try walking down the street in a ghetto some time.
>
>
> I had a bunch of college roomates who were biology majors and they kept
> snakes, salamanders, etc. Lemme tell ya, the smells that emanated from
> those critters' abodes was NAUSEATING, 30 years later I can recall that
> smell exactly.

Simple. Not only did they not keep them clean, they probably used the
wrong substrate.

I'm betting the critters did not live long. :-(

>
> A few years back I had a neighbor, another biologist, natch. He kept
> several snakes, the odd salamander, etc. He had a FILTHY 50 - gallon
> aquariam. Not only did his place smell, but his filthy habits attracted
> roaches. He also had three cats who ate wet food and that was an
> additional "problem". He finally moved after I called the management
> company and threatened to "take action" regard his House of Filth
> housekeeping habits...
>
> I said to him, "Just so you know, most people do NOT consider vermin
> 'pets' or 'just another one of God's creatures'...".
>
> Maybe I was just unlucky and hit the filth "jackpot", but biologists
> I've run into have a very poor conception of "cleanliness" -- and this
> extends to their personal hygiene too.

You just got unlucky...
Anyone that cares about animal husbandry knows how important a clean
environment is. :-(

>
> Keeping animals in such dire conditions is IMNSHO a form of animal
> abuse, in their natural states these creatures keep themselves clean
> (at least by their standards)...all of these biologist types couldn't
> understand that I guess.

Yer preachin to the choir.

>
>
> > Heck, I even police the front yard for dog crap at least every other
> > day, and often daily.
> >
> > Just takes a few minutes with a poop rake and long handled dustpan...
>
>
> Good for you, Om. Wish more had yer attitude -- my congested Chicawgo
> nabe is now chock - full of canines -- and also their cretin owners who
> care not a wit about cleaning up after their pets. It REALLY detracts
> from the quality of urban living...

I just don't like stepping in it, and I don't like the smell.
Plus, it's not healthy for the dogs.

And fer cryin' out loud, it does not even take me 5 frickin' minutes if
I do it daily! There is no excuse.

Cat litter boxes also get scooped daily. Takes about 10 minutes.

>
> IMNSHO no one should have a dog unless they have a yard of some kind to
> keep it in...apartment dogs should be banned entirely (unless they are
> guide animals).
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

I have .22 acres, fully fenced. ;-)
The dogs run free in that area. We have 4.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

In article .com>,
"-L." > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > Meat is higher in protein than legumes...
> > The most important part of shell growth is mineral balance.
> > I fed a lot of cheap dog food when I had box tortoises. It had a lot of
> > bone fragments in it, and that's a GOOD thing.
>
> The main ingredient in cheap dog food is corn. The best diet for any
> reptile is a natural one - in the case of a box turtle that would be
> snails, slugs, worms, other insects and plant materials.

Well, I had some box tortoises that were 18 years old when I finally
gave them away. :-) The dog food also has meat in it, but their diet,
while primarily canned dog food, also consisted of strawberries,
lettuce, apples and a variety of other greens and fruits, plus whatever
bugs wandered their way. They were in an outdoor sand pen.

I gave a newborn away (I had one female that laid eggs occasionally) to
a friend. She fed it vionate dusted crickets and whatever greens were in
the terrarium.

It ended up with a deformed shell...

She gave it back to me at 2 years of age and I did what I could for it,
but it only lived 5 years. <sigh> Ornates are supposed to live 20 to 25
years.

Don't underestimate skippy premium for land turtles.

The bone is necessary and I know that any dogs I fed it to, their poop
was loaded with bone fragments. There is more meat in there than you
might think despite the labelling.

>
> > Any critter will stink (including humans!) if their environment is not
> > kept clean...
>
> Of course. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Mr. Morrow hung out
> with people who have no sense of hygiene -personal or otherwise.
>
> Snakes shit stinks, but you remove it immediately and the problem is
> gone. Same for cat shit. Or human shit, for that matter. It's not
> neuroscience.

Indeed... I tended to use kitty litter as a reptile substrate. It kept
them clean and dry and made cleanup easy. I never kept water turtles,
just land turtles. Ornate box.

>
> As for the turtle, he doesn't stink at all, because he has a very
> efficient and well-established filter system. In fact, I have more
> problem keeping the feeder tank balanced.
>
> -L.

:-)
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:44:13 GMT, Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> > On 16 Jul 2006 22:03:43 -0700, -L. wrote:
> >
> >> Some things are not meant for human consumption, Steve...
> >
> > Coming from a vegetarian...
>
> I thought I had seen some anti-meat posts and figured...
>
> Maybe that wasn't you.

Ready! Fire!! Aim!!!

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:39:01 -0700, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:44:13 GMT, Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>> > On 16 Jul 2006 22:03:43 -0700, -L. wrote:
>> >
>> >> Some things are not meant for human consumption, Steve...
>> >
>> > Coming from a vegetarian...
>>
>> I thought I had seen some anti-meat posts and figured...
>>
>> Maybe that wasn't you.
>
>Ready! Fire!! Aim!!!

*giggle*

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> I thought I had seen some anti-meat posts and figured...
>
> Maybe that wasn't you.
>
> -sw

I am anti-animal industry (big business farms and mass
slaughterhouses), and support small-scale organic farming and humane
slaughter of meat animals. So you were right, to some extent.

-L.

-L.wrote:

> Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> > I thought I had seen some anti-meat posts and figured...
> >
> > Maybe that wasn't you.
> >
> > -sw
>
> I am anti-animal industry (big business farms and mass
> slaughterhouses), and support small-scale organic farming and humane
> slaughter of meat animals. So you were right, to some extent.
>


<snicker/>

What an airheaded hypocrite...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> <snicker/>
>
> What an airheaded hypocrite...

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. Just because you condone the
suffering of animals doesn't mean everyone does.

-L.

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
oups.com:


> Did you clean your snake's cage today...???

only needs it 24-36 hours after feeding.
so, what exactly is that chip on your shoulder & why don't you
just get over it?
lee

enigma wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
>
> > Did you clean your snake's cage today...???
>
> only needs it 24-36 hours after feeding.
> so, what exactly is that chip on your shoulder & why don't you
> just get over it?


I'm WORRIED about the SNAKE...!!!

--
Best
Greg

-L. wrote:

> enigma wrote:
> >
> > only needs it 24-36 hours after feeding.
> > so, what exactly is that chip on your shoulder & why don't you
> > just get over it?
> > lee
>
> Greg's obsessed with me and likes to hump my posts. Many people have
> told me they think he wants to BE me.


GAWD...EW...!!!

lol...

--
Best
Greg

In article .com>,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> -L. wrote:
>
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > <snicker/>
> > >
> > > What an airheaded hypocrite...
> >
> > Nothing hypocritical about it at all. Just because you condone the
> > suffering of animals doesn't mean everyone does.
>
>
> Did you clean your snake's cage today...???

Touche'. ;-)

Unless she feeds home raised organic fresh frozen rats......
I used to do just that when I had pet boas.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

In article >,
enigma > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article
> > .com>,
> > "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> >
> >> -L. wrote:
> >>
> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> > > <snicker/>
> >> > >
> >> > > What an airheaded hypocrite...
> >> >
> >> > Nothing hypocritical about it at all. Just because you
> >> > condone the suffering of animals doesn't mean everyone
> >> > does.
> >>
> >>
> >> Did you clean your snake's cage today...???
> >
> > Touche'. ;-)
> >
> > Unless she feeds home raised organic fresh frozen
> > rats...... I used to do just that when I had pet boas.
>
> aaah! you just reminded me i have frozen pinkies in my
> freezer... from last year!
> lee <off to clean out the freezer>

Send them to your local wildlife rescue folks if you no longer have a
use for them.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

I really hate the new 'developement nabs' who have the lovely landscaped
yards and the designer dogs who they bring out 'walkies' to do the do in our
yards so as not to 'disturb the grass' in theirs. At least this was the
excuse the animal gave my hub when he caught his dog doin the do in our
yard. Begrudgingly picked it up. Hub is up early and saw the same guy
bring the dog to our yard 'earlier' hoping we wouldn't see it. FBS drove
through the development and located the landscaped 'estate'. A few
'delivery refused's ' found on the doorstep and one, gotta love the kid,
right at the driver's door of the luxury car and lo and behold, the early
morning poopy runs ceased.
-ginny

with this weather, the cat, the rabbit, and four little mice get wiffy. ALL
their poos go out in the rubbish.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> Touche'. ;-)
>

Touche what? I'm not sure what point you or Dickhead Morrow are trying
to make. My snakes are far from suffering if that's what you mean.

> Unless she feeds home raised organic fresh frozen rats......
> I used to do just that when I had pet boas.

The mice I get are surplus research mice (never used) that are slated
to be killed anyway. They are humanely euthanized (cervical pop),
lined up on meat trays, vacuum packed immediately after death, flash
frozen in liquid nitrogen and shipped overnight on dry ice. Makes
quite a nice surprise for anyone who goes poking around our freezer...

-L.

"-L." < > prevaricates:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > Touche'. ;-)
> >
>
> Touche what? I'm not sure what point you or Dickhead Morrow are trying
> to make. My snakes are far from suffering if that's what you mean.
>


Well, they are in contact with YOU LUV -- that is suffering enough...


> > Unless she feeds home raised organic fresh frozen rats......
> > I used to do just that when I had pet boas.
>
> The mice I get are surplus research mice (never used) that are slated
> to be killed anyway. They are humanely euthanized (cervical pop),
> lined up on meat trays, vacuum packed immediately after death, flash
> frozen in liquid nitrogen and shipped overnight on dry ice. Makes
> quite a nice surprise for anyone who goes poking around our freezer...
>


Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...

Do you not read what people write or do you make up this shit merely
for the troll factor?
I suspect the latter...
-L.

In oups.com,
-L. > typed:
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>> Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...
>
> Do you not read what people write or do you make up this shit merely
> for the troll factor?
> I suspect the latter...
> -L.


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In article .com>,
"-L." > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >
> > Touche'. ;-)
> >
>
> Touche what? I'm not sure what point you or Dickhead Morrow are trying
> to make. My snakes are far from suffering if that's what you mean.

Don't worry about it... I was not trying to be malicious.

I've kept snakes. I thought the point he was making is that pet snakes
are anything but vegetarian. I used to raise my own rats to feed them
and I injected them with liquid reptile vitamins when the rats were
half-swallowed.

Rats suffer when being killed by snakes. It's not a pleasant death and
was one major reason I started feeding pre-killed fresh frozen. Plus it
protected the snakes from being bitten. My male boa once got a badly
infected bite on his face and cost me a vet bill.

>
> > Unless she feeds home raised organic fresh frozen rats......
> > I used to do just that when I had pet boas.
>
> The mice I get are surplus research mice (never used) that are slated
> to be killed anyway. They are humanely euthanized (cervical pop),
> lined up on meat trays, vacuum packed immediately after death, flash
> frozen in liquid nitrogen and shipped overnight on dry ice. Makes
> quite a nice surprise for anyone who goes poking around our freezer...
>
> -L.

<smiles> Mouse-sickles anyone????
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >
> > Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...
>
> Do you not read what people write or do you make up this shit merely
> for the troll factor?
> I suspect the latter...
> -L.
>

"-L." > angrily wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >
> > Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...
>
> Do you not read what people write or do you make up this shit merely
> for the troll factor?
> I suspect the latter...


BWAHAHAHAAAAAA...

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Greg

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
message .net...
>
> "-L." > angrily wrote:
>
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > >
> > > Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...
> >
> > Do you not read what people write or do you make up this shit merely
> > for the troll factor?
> > I suspect the latter...
>
>
> BWAHAHAHAAAAAA...
>
> --
It took you two tries and this was the best you could do?

Asshole.



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In article >,
Steve Wertz > wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:35:03 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>
> > aaah! you just reminded me i have frozen pinkies in my
> > freezer... from last year!
>
> The next Jeffrey Dahlmer...
>
> -sw

A "pinky" is a newborn mouse or rat. Commonly used to feed very small
carnivorous reptiles or amphibians. ;-)

But you knew that......
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

cybercat wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
> message .net...
> >
> > "-L." > angrily wrote:
> >
> > > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your snakes are probably on Ritalin like your brat is...
> > >
> > > Do you not read what people write or do you make up this shit merely
> > > for the troll factor?
> > > I suspect the latter...
> >
> >
> > BWAHAHAHAAAAAA...
> >
> > --
> It took you two tries and this was the best you could do?
>
> Asshole.


If y'all are going to sling around foul - mouthed epithets at *least* take a
lesson from Sheldon and be a bit kr8tive about it :-)

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Best
Greg

OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Steve Wertz > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:35:03 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>
>> > aaah! you just reminded me i have frozen pinkies in my
>> > freezer... from last year!
>>
>> The next Jeffrey Dahlmer...

i thought it was just Dahmer. anyway, no, just another keeper
of scaly pets. it's good to have mice in the freezer when you
have a going on 6 YO budding herptologist around (yeah, i
blame the kid <g>)

> A "pinky" is a newborn mouse or rat. Commonly used to feed
> very small carnivorous reptiles or amphibians. ;-)

hatchling corn snakes, in this case.

> But you knew that......

maybe. i'm not sure it's too well-known outside of reptile/lab
animal circles.

lee