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A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of
cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results on their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. B.B. King's Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. High levels of e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? Jill |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of > cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, > basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results on > their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. B.B. King's > Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. High levels of > e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, would > you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > > Jill Their shitters are probably cleaner than your ****ing kitchen, you smelly ****. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > High levels of > e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, > would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > Depends, what levels of e-coli were found in the kitchen? Do the cooks & food handlers practice proper hygene? Have any cases of e-Coli infection been attributed to the resturant? |
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Mike H wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in > : > >> High levels of >> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell >> me, would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >> > > Depends, what levels of e-coli were found in the kitchen? Do the > cooks & food handlers practice proper hygene? Have any cases of > e-Coli infection been attributed to the resturant? All I can say is the lab that tested the swabs said the levels were "unacceptable". The manager declined to comment so I've no idea about the hygene practices of the cooks and kitchen staff. No cases have been attributed that I know of. It's simply a matter of management needing to make sure the restrooms are cleaned more thoroughly. Jill |
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I got sick as a dog after eating at a B. B. King's. Smug friends said
it was my own fault: obviously these tourist-trap/entertainment places have other things on their mind than the food. |
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![]() > "jmcquown" > wrote in > : > >> High levels of >> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, >> would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >> > If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. gloria p |
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![]() "Puester" > wrote > If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. > > I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? A real appetite suppressor: I went into the ladies room at this one place ... there was no soap. This is the restroom the waitresses use. nancy |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in news:e9j0qf$nmf$1
@news.monmouth.com: > I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to > go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? If anyone is going to wipe their nose on their hand and mess with my food, it'd better be me! Reminds me why I don't dine out or dial out anymore! [shudder] Andy |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> "Puester" > wrote > >> If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. >> >> I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > > I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to > go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? A real appetite > suppressor: I went into the ladies room at this one place ... > there was no soap. This is the restroom the waitresses use. > > nancy No soap! Now that's simply ridiculous. It's also the restroom the kitchen staff uses; they don't provide different facilities for those folks. Ewwww! Did you complain? Jill |
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Puester wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in >> : >> >>> High levels of >>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell >>> me, would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >>> >> > > > If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. > > I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > > gloria p Yeah, but our bathrooms aren't open for general use by the public, are they? Jill |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
... > > "Puester" > wrote > >> If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. >> >> I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > > I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to > go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? A real appetite > suppressor: I went into the ladies room at this one place ... > there was no soap. This is the restroom the waitresses use. > > nancy > My father, who's always right, says restaurant kitchens are usually as bad as the bathrooms. Check the bathroom before you sit down to eat. |
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![]() "Puester" > wrote in message ... > >> "jmcquown" > wrote in >> : >>> High levels of >>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, >>> would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >>> >> > > > If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. > > I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > Exactly You can clean the bathrooms regularly, but you can't stop the general public from messing things up in between. If those tests were done right after cleaning, I'd have to say that the cleaning wasn't done well enough. But if it was in the middle of the day and customers had been in and out, you can't blame the restaurant as much. They don't go in there and sanitize after every patron leaves, and they don't know which patrons are likely to leave a microscopic mess. And they aren't going to close the bathrooms in the middle of dinner so they can sanitize all the surfaces. A quick wipe-up, maybe, but they aren't going to do a full cleaning while people are standing in line outside. All you need is one little kid with grubby hands running around in the bathroom, and you could end up with a lot of contaminated surfaces. Or somebody with bad aim who doesn't clean up after themselves.... |
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![]() Puester wrote: > > "jmcquown" > wrote in > > : > > > >> High levels of > >> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, > >> would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > > If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. > If you're a local tv station producer looking for the best chance to find a titillating story.... I think "consumer watchdog" tv bits are entertaining but I'd never rely on their findings in a story like this. -aem |
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"D.Currie" > wrote in message
... > > "Puester" > wrote in message > ... >> >>> "jmcquown" > wrote in >>> : >>>> High levels of >>>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, >>>> would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >>>> >>> >> >> >> If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. >> >> I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. >> > > Exactly > > You can clean the bathrooms regularly, but you can't stop the general > public from messing things up in between. The general public consists mostly of pigs. Men seem to stand 4 feet from the urinals, so there's always a puddle on the floor. And/or, they don't flush. What do they think - they're marking their territory or something? Flush the phuquing think with your elbow if you don't wanna touch it. I've been in NY State campground bathrooms when the attendants had just finished cleaning them, then come back a few minutes later and found someone had clammed a horrific greenie into one sink, and someone else seemed to have stepped in a swamp and then washed their sneakers in another sink. What do these peoples' homes look like???? At another one, I walked my son to the bathroom when he was little, and when he walked into the stall, he paused and said "Dad, there's a real problem in here". Someone had smeared shit all over the toilet, the paper dispenser and the walls as high as my shoulders. It was definitely NOT an accident. For people like that, electrocution would be too nice a response. |
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![]() "Nancy Young" > wrote in message ... > > "Puester" > wrote > >> If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. >> >> I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > > I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to > go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? A real appetite > suppressor: I went into the ladies room at this one place ... > there was no soap. This is the restroom the waitresses use. > > nancy The movie "Train Spotters" comes to mind, but I've actually been in worse. Larry T |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > No soap! Now that's simply ridiculous. It's also the restroom the > kitchen staff uses; they don't provide different facilities for those > folks. Ewwww! Did you complain? Of course, the Kitchen Staff would also have a hand washing sink in the kitchen that they are required to use as well. Not sure about the wait staff, but I would assume they are required to do so as well. You can easilly recontaminate yourself from the restroom to the work station. |
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"Mike H" > wrote in message
9.130... > "jmcquown" > wrote in > : > >> No soap! Now that's simply ridiculous. It's also the restroom the >> kitchen staff uses; they don't provide different facilities for those >> folks. Ewwww! Did you complain? > > Of course, the Kitchen Staff would also have a hand washing sink in the > kitchen that they are required to use as well. Not sure about the wait > staff, but I would assume they are required to do so as well. You can > easilly recontaminate yourself from the restroom to the work station. You can get crabs (the skin kind) from handling paper money. |
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jmcquown wrote:
> A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of > cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, > basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results on > their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. B.B. King's > Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. High levels of > e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, would > you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > Well.. I had a GREAT meal and time at B.B.Kings. I don't recall the bathroom, thankfully. LOL I think ALL public loos are questionable. E.coli can be found in any bathroom. One can only hope for the best and use common sense. |
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Goomba38 > wrote in
: > jmcquown wrote: >> A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of >> cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, >> basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results >> on their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. >> B.B. King's Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. >> High levels of e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their >> restrooms. Now tell me, would you want to eat the food from their >> kitchen? >> > Well.. I had a GREAT meal and time at B.B.Kings. I don't recall the > bathroom, thankfully. LOL > I think ALL public loos are questionable. E.coli can be found in any > bathroom. One can only hope for the best and use common sense. I can speak from experience, you can ALWAYS shake the dishwasher's hand! Andy |
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![]() "Andy" <q> wrote in message ... > Goomba38 > wrote in > : > >> jmcquown wrote: >>> A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of >>> cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, >>> basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results >>> on their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. >>> B.B. King's Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. >>> High levels of e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their >>> restrooms. Now tell me, would you want to eat the food from their >>> kitchen? >>> >> Well.. I had a GREAT meal and time at B.B.Kings. I don't recall the >> bathroom, thankfully. LOL >> I think ALL public loos are questionable. E.coli can be found in any >> bathroom. One can only hope for the best and use common sense. > > > I can speak from experience, you can ALWAYS shake the dishwasher's hand! > > Andy Heh! My son did that job last summer. If his discolored jeans and shoes were any indication, the cleaning stuff they use could clean lava off a mountainside. |
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In rec.food.cooking, jmcquown > wrote:
> High levels of > e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, would > you want to eat the food from their kitchen? What kind of stupid shit (no pun intended) are you cooking up now? If you had asked whether I'd eat food that they had used to wipe the bathroom floor, the answer would be no. What this has to do with their kitchen, only you know... -- A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. --Edward R. Murrow |
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jmcquown > wrote:
>A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of Local News has lost its ****ing mind with the opportunistic "investigative" bullshit. If they spent 1% of the effort digging into GW Bush's crimes as they do trying to nail a poor fry-cook for having grease in his fry-o-lator, we'd be a democracy again. --Blair |
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Puester > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in >> : >>> High levels of >>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, >>> would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? **** yes. B.B. King didn't get that fat eating food that tastes bad. I didn't even know he had a restaurant. I wanna go! I bet the background music kills, too. >If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. > >I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. None. Mythbusters did this test. What they found is that coliform bacteria get EVERYWHERE. And a swab test is not a good statistical test. If there's a tiny spot of raw poop actually in the swabbed spot, but no e. coli anywhere else in the bathroom, the swab will light up like Beirut on CNN. If the employees wash their hands the way they're supposed to, and wear the gloves that all health departments now mandate, the food will be fine. --Blair |
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JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>bathroom when he was little, and when he walked into the stall, he paused >and said "Dad, there's a real problem in here". Someone had smeared shit all >over the toilet, the paper dispenser and the walls as high as my shoulders. >It was definitely NOT an accident. > >For people like that, electrocution would be too nice a response. Reminds me of your posts. --Blair "Take the metaphor to heart." |
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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Puester > wrote: >>> "jmcquown" > wrote in >>> : >>>> High levels of >>>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell >>>> me, would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > > **** yes. B.B. King didn't get that fat eating food > that tastes bad. B.B. King didn't get fat eating at his own restaurant, either. He was fat before he opened the place LOL He's taking advantage of his name to own a restaurant, that's all. I didn't even know he had a restaurant. > I wanna go! > Come on down to Beale Street, then. Just be careful; it's not only a tourist trap, it's also not the best area in town to be wandering around in after dark ![]() > I bet the background music kills, too. > I hear sometimes he shows up there. Jill |
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"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
... > JoeSpareBedroom > wrote: >>bathroom when he was little, and when he walked into the stall, he paused >>and said "Dad, there's a real problem in here". Someone had smeared shit >>all >>over the toilet, the paper dispenser and the walls as high as my >>shoulders. >>It was definitely NOT an accident. >> >>For people like that, electrocution would be too nice a response. > > Reminds me of your posts. > > --Blair I'm sure it does, Blair. As a member of the 54%, many things must appear confusing to you. |
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D.Currie wrote:
> "Puester" > wrote in message > ... >> >>> "jmcquown" > wrote in >>> : >>>> High levels of >>>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell >>>> me, would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >>>> >>> >> >> >> If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. >> >> I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. >> > > Exactly > > You can clean the bathrooms regularly, but you can't stop the general > public from messing things up in between. > > If those tests were done right after cleaning, I'd have to say that > the cleaning wasn't done well enough. But if it was in the middle of > the day and customers had been in and out, you can't blame the > restaurant as much. They don't go in there and sanitize after every > patron leaves, and they don't know which patrons are likely to leave > a microscopic mess. > > And they aren't going to close the bathrooms in the middle of dinner > so they can sanitize all the surfaces. A quick wipe-up, maybe, but > they aren't going to do a full cleaning while people are standing in > line outside. > I'll have to contact the TV station to ask when they did the tests. Because you're absolutely right (and having worked in restaurants, I know)... they probably get a pretty thorough cleaning at closing time and maybe again during the lull between lunch and dinner. As a hostess it was part of my job to go in and clean the sinks, refresh the soap and towels, but not to clean the toilets. > All you need is one little kid with grubby hands running around in the > bathroom, and you could end up with a lot of contaminated surfaces. > True, true. Don't shoot the messenger! > Or somebody with bad aim who doesn't clean up after themselves.... E-coli doesn't come from a person who can't pee and hit the toilet ![]() from fecal matter, which is a totally different thing. Now that I think about it, they weren't testing the toilets, they were testing the counters. Hmmm. |
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"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
> > Puester > wrote: > >> "jmcquown" > wrote in > >> : > >>> High levels of > >>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, > >>> would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > > **** yes. B.B. King didn't get that fat eating food > that tastes bad. I didn't even know he had a restaurant. > I wanna go! > > I bet the background music kills, too. > > >If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. > > > >I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > > None. > > Mythbusters did this test. > > What they found is that coliform bacteria get EVERYWHERE. > > And a swab test is not a good statistical test. > > If there's a tiny spot of raw poop actually in the swabbed > spot, but no e. coli anywhere else in the bathroom, the > swab will light up like Beirut on CNN. > > If the employees wash their hands the way they're supposed > to, and wear the gloves that all health departments now > mandate, the food will be fine. > > --Blair The Mythbusters didn't really get that test right though. For their "5 second rule" tests they simulated the contamination which was fine and then sampled and cultured to see what grew which was fine as well. The problem is that they missed the whole point of the 5 second rule. The whole point is that while the food will indeed pickup bacteria, it *will not* have a 24hr incubation period in which to multiply to the point where it's toxic. If you're immediately eating the food the small number of bacteria picked up will almost certainly be within your body's ability to fight off / kill. If you're immediately cooking the food you just dropped, once again the bacteria is killed before it has a chance to multiply to the point of producing appreciable amounts of toxins. Where contamination is really an issue is when foods are contaminated during pre-prep and then sit in a refrigerator for most of the day before they are cooked allowing time for bacteria to do their thing. Same with cutting boards / containers / utensils that are contaminated and not subsequently cleaned properly during the day so bacteria has time to multiply. Not that it's a pretty thing, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to eat a nice steak that was dropped on the floor or even the ground right before cooking. Rinsing it off immediately and then grilling it over the 600+ degree charcoal would certainly take care of any contamination. Pete C. |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:25:04 -0500, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of >cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, >basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results on >their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. B.B. King's >Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. High levels of >e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell me, would >you want to eat the food from their kitchen? > >Jill > Not if they do their cooking in the rest-rooms. <rj> |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > wrote: >> In rec.food.cooking, jmcquown > wrote: >> >>> High levels of >>> e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their restrooms. Now tell >>> me, would you want to eat the food from their kitchen? >> >> What kind of stupid shit (no pun intended) are you cooking up now? If >> you >> had asked whether I'd eat food that they had used to wipe the >> bathroom floor, the answer would be no. >> >> What this has to do with their kitchen, only you know... > > Hey, you know what? I'm about sick of your shit (no pun intended). LOL!! We have a night time show here called "Rove Live". Last night he interviewed Keeanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock. You should have seen their jaws drop when Rove said something like... "I suppose if you're not on the set all that much together, you won't give each other the shits?" Sandra had a field day after that and kept saying "Shits" Turned to Keeanu and said "Do i give you the shits?" :-) > I'm simply reporting what they said on the news after doing some swab > tests at various restaurants, B.B. King's being the only one anyone > here might recognize by name. Surprisingly, a McDonald's and a KFC > came out with better cleanliness ratings in the bathroom test Which is why, if I ever get into the desperate situation of having to use a public toilet, I'll hit a Maccas. >and they > probably get more foot-traffic than this Memphis tourist-trap does on > a daily basis. Get over it. But, on the other hand........ toilets are notorious for ecoli.... which is why your mum always slapped you upside the head and said "Wash your hands after you go to the toilet!!" -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia 'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran' |
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"<RJ>" > wrote in
: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:25:04 -0500, "jmcquown" > > wrote: > >>A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of >>cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, >>basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results >>on their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. >>B.B. King's Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. >>High levels of e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their >>restrooms. Now tell me, would you want to eat the food from their >>kitchen? >> >>Jill >> > Not if they do their cooking in the rest-rooms. > > <rj> LOL!!!! -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia 'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran' |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > A local news station performs "swab tests" to determine levels of > cleanliness in various establishments (including restaurants, hotels, > basically any place open to the public) and then reports the results > on their newscast. This week they were checking public restrooms. > B.B. King's Restaurant on Beale Street in Memphis failed miserably. > High levels of e-coli were found in the swabs taken in their > restrooms. Now tell me, would you want to eat the food from their > kitchen? We've had the same senasationalising reports over here..... swabs taken for everything from shit on the bannisters, to coke in the crapper. -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia 'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran' |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in news:e9j0qf$nmf$1
@news.monmouth.com: > > "Puester" > wrote > >> If you were looking for e.coli, bathrooms are the place to look. >> >> I wonder how many of our bathrooms could pass that test. > > I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to > go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? A real appetite > suppressor: I went into the ladies room at this one place ... > there was no soap. This is the restroom the waitresses use. > Which is why it's good to be a guy :-) I stands to ****, and my willie is clean :-) Now....... touching the door handles on the way out is another thing!! -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia 'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran' |
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![]() "PeterL" > wrote > "Nancy Young" > wrote >> I don't use public restrooms unless it's unavoidable, but ugh, to >> go into a restaurant bathroom and it's dirty? A real appetite >> suppressor: I went into the ladies room at this one place ... >> there was no soap. This is the restroom the waitresses use. > Which is why it's good to be a guy :-) > > I stands to ****, and my willie is clean :-) > Now....... touching the door handles on the way out is another thing!! Well, keep your willie off the door, for pete's sake! nancy |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in news:lLbvg.5615
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jmcquown > wrote:
> D.Currie wrote: > > Or somebody with bad aim who doesn't clean up after themselves.... > E-coli doesn't come from a person who can't pee and hit the toilet ![]() > from fecal matter, which is a totally different thing. Now that I think > about it, they weren't testing the toilets, they were testing the counters. > Hmmm. A recent Mythbusters did a segment on toothbrushes being contaminated by being in a bathroom. They bought a bunch of brand new toothbrushes and set some in the studio bathroom, and a control was placed in another room altogether, covered, yet the control still tested positvie for fecal coliform bacteria (as well as all the ones in the bathroom). Testing for coliform is almost like testing for air. You are going to find it, the question is at what level, and the vague "unacceptable" is not really a helpful description. What is considered "acceptable?" How far above that was the amount measured? Bill Ranck Blacksburg, Va. |
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JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message . .. >> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote: >>>bathroom when he was little, and when he walked into the stall, he paused >>>and said "Dad, there's a real problem in here". Someone had smeared shit >>>all >>>over the toilet, the paper dispenser and the walls as high as my >>>shoulders. >>>It was definitely NOT an accident. >>> >>>For people like that, electrocution would be too nice a response. >> >> Reminds me of your posts. > >I'm sure it does, Blair. As a member of the 54%, many things must appear >confusing to you. You're gibbering. As usual. --Blair "Put both index fingers in the light socket." |
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Pete C. > wrote:
>The whole point is that while the food will indeed pickup bacteria, it >*will not* have a 24hr incubation period in which to multiply to the >point where it's toxic. ....it's been incubating on your floor... The point of the 5-second rule is how long it's been in contact with the floor, not how long between the time it contacts the floor and you put it in your mouth. >Where contamination is really an issue is when foods are contaminated >during pre-prep and then sit in a refrigerator for most of the day >before they are cooked allowing time for bacteria to do their thing. >Same with cutting boards / containers / utensils that are contaminated >and not subsequently cleaned properly during the day so bacteria has >time to multiply. Bacteria multiply on your warm, moist hands, if you aren't washing them. --Blair |
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