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PastaLover > wrote:
>Maybe it is the indivduals' fault. Just because you don't have to do
>manual labor doesn't mean you can't choose to.


I see - you are not only utterly cluess, you wallow in that state like
a pig in mud.

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"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
...
>
> Get fat and die from being fat.
>


Don't get fat (or get skinny), and die from
something else. Sometimes earlier than your
overweight neighbor, sometimes later. It's called
personal choice, and respect for the choices of
others.

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Bob Myers wrote:
> "Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Get fat and die from being fat.
> >

>
> Don't get fat (or get skinny), and die from
> something else. Sometimes earlier than your
> overweight neighbor, sometimes later. It's called
> personal choice, and respect for the choices of
> others.
>
> Bob M.


LOL. Everybody dies from something. Burt Wolfe used to say he wanted
to die in perfect health. Yeah, that's the ticket.

N.

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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Derek Lyons > wrote:
>
>>Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>And before you ask, Alton's just a little younger than I am....
>>>
>>>Doesn't matter. Neither of you is managing your weight
>>>rationally.

>>
>>That's based on the assumption that either Alton or the OP place the
>>same (extremely subjective) value on 'weight management' that you do.
>>(The remainder of your message suggests a bit of fanaticism.)

>
>
> Get fat and die from being fat.
>
> And that's not fanaticism. It's argument. My knowledge
> was questioned by someone who was trying to promote their
> ignorance as scientific fact.
>
> --Blair


No. You interjected your "knowledge" (in other words, your f*cking
personal fanaticism) into a comment of someone who was merely stating
their opinion.

Take your overinflated self-opinion elsewhere.
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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> PastaLover > wrote:
>
>>"Fanaticism" is an understatement.

>
>
> You're about to overstate it.
>
>
>>Blair's obviously a reformed overeater and if there's anything worse
>>than a reformed drunk or a reformed smoker, it's a reformed overeater.

>
>
> No, reformed overeaters are among the smartest
> people on the Earth. People who don't know what
> they're talking about are the worst. Yes, I mean
> you, fat boy.


Oh, so you have one of those magical computers that allows you to see
what the other posters on this newsgroup looks like? Where can I get one
of those?

You have no idea whether I'm male or female, fat or thin, rich or poor.
So how do you get off calling me "fat boy"?

If you're really a reformed overeater, I'd think you'd be the last
person on Earth that would use "fat" as a put-down.

Just goes to show that you're not the smartest around here.

Damn, you make me wish Sheldon would post more.


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PastaLover > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> PastaLover > wrote:
>>
>>>"Fanaticism" is an understatement.

>>
>> You're about to overstate it.
>>
>>>Blair's obviously a reformed overeater and if there's anything worse
>>>than a reformed drunk or a reformed smoker, it's a reformed overeater.

>>
>> No, reformed overeaters are among the smartest
>> people on the Earth. People who don't know what
>> they're talking about are the worst. Yes, I mean
>> you, fat boy.

>
>Oh, so you have one of those magical computers that allows you to see
>what the other posters on this newsgroup looks like? Where can I get one
>of those?
>
>You have no idea whether I'm male or female, fat or thin, rich or poor.
>So how do you get off calling me "fat boy"?


Your attitude is a dead giveaway.

>If you're really a reformed overeater, I'd think you'd be the last
>person on Earth that would use "fat" as a put-down.


You've shown a propensity to being wrong, and haven't
altered that one bit, here.

>Just goes to show that you're not the smartest around here.
>
>Damn, you make me wish Sheldon would post more.


Another reason you should just quit reading this
group and stop choking on your denial.

--Blair
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Derek Lyons > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>
>>Derek Lyons > wrote:
>>>Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>And before you ask, Alton's just a little younger than I am....
>>>>
>>>>Doesn't matter. Neither of you is managing your weight
>>>>rationally.
>>>
>>>That's based on the assumption that either Alton or the OP place the
>>>same (extremely subjective) value on 'weight management' that you do.
>>>(The remainder of your message suggests a bit of fanaticism.)

>>
>>Get fat and die from being fat.

>
>Some people have a fear of that - others aren't particularly bothered
>by it.


Then they shouldn't get in the way of those who
want the truth.

>>And that's not fanaticism.

>
>Your both your statement as quoted by me, and your reply to me, imply
>otherwise.


You have no ability to make such determinations.

>>My knowledge was questioned by someone who was trying to promote their
>>ignorance as scientific fact.

>
>Which has what to with anything? That you drag it into a separate
>conversation again speaks of fanaticism.


This is the same conversation.

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Bob Myers > wrote:
>
>"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> Get fat and die from being fat.

>
>Don't get fat (or get skinny), and die from
>something else. Sometimes earlier than your
>overweight neighbor, sometimes later. It's called
>personal choice, and respect for the choices of
>others.


You didn't choose to be fat until you realized it
would take work and patience to cure your disease.

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>LOL. Everybody dies from something. Burt Wolfe used to say he wanted
>to die in perfect health. Yeah, that's the ticket.


Meanwhile, living in a decreased state of health is a
waste of a life.

I lost 80 lbs eating better than most fat people do.

More is almost never better.

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PastaLover > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> Derek Lyons > wrote:
>>>Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>>>>And before you ask, Alton's just a little younger than I am....
>>>>
>>>>Doesn't matter. Neither of you is managing your weight
>>>>rationally.
>>>
>>>That's based on the assumption that either Alton or the OP place the
>>>same (extremely subjective) value on 'weight management' that you do.
>>>(The remainder of your message suggests a bit of fanaticism.)

>>
>>
>> Get fat and die from being fat.
>>
>> And that's not fanaticism. It's argument. My knowledge
>> was questioned by someone who was trying to promote their
>> ignorance as scientific fact.

>
>No. You interjected your "knowledge" (in other words, your f*cking
>personal fanaticism) into a comment of someone who was merely stating
>their opinion.


No, I called Alton brown fat.

>Take your overinflated self-opinion elsewhere.


You haven't even paid attention to the thread you're
polluting. You're ignorant, you're in denial, and you're
making an even bigger ass of your self than usual.

The only "fanaticism" around here is your insistence
that you like being fat.

--Blair


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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> No, I called Alton brown fat.


For Gawd sakes, the guy's filmed the entire series so far in his
motorcycle riding suit. And he's commented several times about how cold
it was. So you can't even see how skinny or fat is from what you see of
him in "Feasting". He's wearing a thermal suit.

>
> The only "fanaticism" around here is your insistence
> that you like being fat.


I'm not fat. I'm the perfect weight for my height and build. In fact,
I'm a little underweight as I have Crohn's Disease and don't absorb
everything that I do eat. And there's a lot of foods I can't tolerate.

And if I was fat, I certainly wouldn't insist that I like it. The only
thing I've insisted in the entire thread is that people like you should
stop telling other people how to live their lives. And from some of the
other responses, it looks like I'm not alone in that belief.

>
> --Blair


This is the last posting on this thread from me. Your pompous ass is
henceforth being ignored.
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> I used one word and it took you a whole paragraph to say the same thing.


And you quoted the whole exchange for a one-sentence criticism.

N.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >
> > I can't understand how Anthony Bourdain can eat stuff the way he does.
> > Some of the it is just disgusting. But he'll try anything once.
> >
> > N.

>
> I think Anthony has had his taste buds and gag reflex removed.
>

It's probably a side effect of his alleged cocaine use. (I say
"alleged," because I heard that somewhere.)

(Wayne, that "dead mouse" quote in your signature? LOL. I used to
have some photos of a mouse that crawled into an acquaintance's printer
overnight and got stuck in the roller - it wasn't hurt, it just
couldn't get out. Mice have those collapsible skeletons, I forget what
they're called. They had to take the toner cartridge out in order for
him to run off. The sequence of photos they took in the office was
hilarious. I wish I could find it. .....)

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"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
m...
> You didn't choose to be fat until you realized it
> would take work and patience to cure your disease.


First of all, your unjustified assumption (demonstrated
in the use of the word "your") is noted.

Second, exactly how does this differ from any
OTHER lifestyle choice which involves risk?
(For that matter, can you name a choice which does
NOT involve options with different degrees of personal
risk?)

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"Nancy2" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> It's probably a side effect of his alleged cocaine use. (I say
> "alleged," because I heard that somewhere.)


If it's "alleged," it was alleged by Anthony himself. Read
his books, esp. "Kitchen Confidential."

(Actually, read his books anyway - they're GOOD....)


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Oh pshaw, On Fri 11 Aug 2006 10:02:12a, Nancy2 was muttering about...

>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >
>> > I can't understand how Anthony Bourdain can eat stuff the way he does.
>> > Some of the it is just disgusting. But he'll try anything once.
>> >
>> > N.

>>
>> I think Anthony has had his taste buds and gag reflex removed.
>>

> It's probably a side effect of his alleged cocaine use. (I say
> "alleged," because I heard that somewhere.)


Probably not a surprise.

> (Wayne, that "dead mouse" quote in your signature? LOL. I used to
> have some photos of a mouse that crawled into an acquaintance's printer
> overnight and got stuck in the roller - it wasn't hurt, it just
> couldn't get out. Mice have those collapsible skeletons, I forget what
> they're called. They had to take the toner cartridge out in order for
> him to run off. The sequence of photos they took in the office was
> hilarious. I wish I could find it. .....)


OMG, that's funny! I'd love to see the pix.

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Bob Myers > wrote:
>
>"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
om...
>> You didn't choose to be fat until you realized it
>> would take work and patience to cure your disease.

>
>First of all, your unjustified assumption (demonstrated
>in the use of the word "your") is noted.


I think it was the words "you" and "choose to be fat"
that demonstrated my opinion. And it's not an assumption.
It's an educated guess. It could be wrong. I doubt it is.

>Second, exactly how does this differ from any
>OTHER lifestyle choice which involves risk?


It doesn't. Those are stupid, too.

Risk is risk because it results in a reduced expected
value. If you risk your life you are asking for your life
to be shortened, on average, to that reduced expected
value. Every time you take that risk you are saying
"take N years off my life." If you're in the lucky half,
it will be fewer than N. But if you're in the other half,
it will be more.

>(For that matter, can you name a choice which does
>NOT involve options with different degrees of personal
>risk?)


I can name choices that involve options with much
less risk than being fat.

--Blair
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PastaLover > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> No, I called Alton brown fat.

>
>For Gawd sakes, the guy's filmed the entire series so far in his
>motorcycle riding suit.


I made the comment after seeing him with the top half of the
suit open. The boy's working a boiler.

>And he's commented several times about how cold
>it was.


Has he commented that he's wearing an inflatable
belly-warmer?

>So you can't even see how skinny or fat is from what you see of
>him in "Feasting". He's wearing a thermal suit.


That's why you can't see he's fat. I watched the whole
show and saw other things.

>> The only "fanaticism" around here is your insistence
>> that you like being fat.

>
>I'm not fat. I'm the perfect weight for my height and build. In fact,
>I'm a little underweight as I have Crohn's Disease and don't absorb
>everything that I do eat. And there's a lot of foods I can't tolerate.
>
>And if I was fat, I certainly wouldn't insist that I like it. The only
>thing I've insisted in the entire thread is that people like you should
>stop telling other people how to live their lives. And from some of the
>other responses, it looks like I'm not alone in that belief.


Lots of people are in denial. You're in denial about your
hypocrisy in telling me how I should and shouldn't talk
about how people should and shouldn't eat.

>This is the last posting on this thread from me. Your pompous ass is
>henceforth being ignored.


Good. You're a tiresome bore anyway.

--Blair
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Mike H wrote:
> Andy <q> wrote in :
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> > Time will tell. I never took Alton for a motorcycle guy,

>
> He is, the bike came in to play in at least one episode of GE, and he's
> made mention of it in his blog back in the days where he had one. Now
> Chris Kimbal of ATK being a hunter and a biker, that's a hard stretch to
> think of, but it's true in his case too.
>
> > and for the life of me I can't believe the food tv folks would let him
> > ride.

>
> I can belive they did. They also gave him the turkey, the crown jewel of
> Thanksgiving Dinner a couple years ago in the All-Star Thanksgiving. They
> also gave him the option of Comentator or Chairman in the Iron Chef
> America.


Brown was offered the role of Chairman on ICA?!? That's the first I've
heard about that. Brown is pretty good as commentator, but the
"chairman" they went with (Dacascos) is terrible, he's so awkward,
stiff, and stilted. I assume if Brown had ended up as chairman they
wouldn't pretend that Kaga (the great, charismatic chairman of the
original IC was his uncle).

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Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> In article >,
> Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote:
> >
> >"Mike Van Pelt" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> >... a bright red pickled pig's foot.

>
> And, tonight, a
>
> <voice=PeterLorre>
>
> brain sandwich.
>
> </voice>
>
> >Reality TV........no orgasmic faces and gushing 'yummo' over
> >the foul thing.

>
> He didn't recoil from the brain sandwich like he did
> from the pig's foot, but he didn't particularly care
> for it, either.
>
> I would have liked to see him mention that every
> single bite of that sandwich contained over 1000%
> of the recommended daily maximum for cholesterol.


My favorite part of that episode of FoA was when Brown later reflected
on his taste of that enormous brain sandwich; how he didn't
particularly like; but on how the uniqueness of what certain foods
might be what keeps them "local," etc.



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Well, during last night's episode, Alton (Mr Food Science) said diddley
squat about not being able to boil water to 212F at 14K. You have
trouble with that and with baking at altitude. Nothing said at all
about that. My wife (a Kiwi of sorts) lived in Colorado for 7 years and
knows you can't get water hot enough to make a decent cup of tea.

Nor did he hit the Denver tacos trucks. Pity, that. Nor did he go by
the Mexican joints near the stockyards that serve delicious menudo and
pozole.

T.

(Current good food find: La Milpa on Hull Street in Richmond, VA.
Saturday they cook carnitas, chicken, rabbit & empanadas outside under
an awning..best Mexican in Richmond proper. The cafe inside is great,
tambien.)

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> wrote:
wrote:
>> Well, during last night's episode, Alton (Mr Food Science) said diddley
>> squat about not being able to boil water to 212F at 14K. You have
>> trouble with that and with baking at altitude. Nothing said at all
>> about that. My wife (a Kiwi of sorts) lived in Colorado for 7 years and
>> knows you can't get water hot enough to make a decent cup of tea.


He was having too much fun failing to light things.
The no-second-takes character of this show is growing
on me.

It was interesting watching the white-gas stove put out
that huge flame, no doubt due to the pressure being a lot
lower than normal outside creating a faster flow through
the valve...

You don't want water at 212F for coffee or tea, anyway.
Which is why boiling it at that altitude actually works.
It boils quite a bit cooler than 212F.

>> Nor did he hit the Denver tacos trucks. Pity, that. Nor did he go by
>> the Mexican joints near the stockyards that serve delicious menudo and
>> pozole.

>
>Yes, I've heard amazing reports of some of the Mexican food in the
>Denver area. I thought that most of the stuff Brown & Co. ate in last
>night's FoA episode looked bad, if not disgusting. That stuff in the
>diner, where they lifted up each lid in the kitchen to reveal mashed
>potatoes, gravies, etc., looked inedible.


Denver, schmenver. New Mexico and Arizona are where the
good stuff is. And it's made by Mexicans and Indians,
not by self-outing "white boys." (Though really, fry bread
is way hard to screw up, and it's not authentic; it's the
result of a diet the Indians had to adopt when the government
gave them handout staples to make up for taking away the
arable land and their traditional foods...this dietary
shift to sugars and fats and lowered fiber is also why many
tribes are massively obese and infested with diabetes...)

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In article om>,
> wrote:
>Well, during last night's episode, Alton (Mr Food Science) said diddley
>squat about not being able to boil water to 212F at 14K.


And if he wanted coffee on top of Pike's Peak, why the heck
didn't he just walk right over to the snack bar and buy a
cup? He acted like there wasn't a snack bar, tourist
trinket shop, and cog train depot right behind his cameraman.

This is the first thing on this show that's significantly
annoyed me.

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Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> Denver, schmenver. New Mexico and Arizona are where the
> good stuff is.


Hey, if you grew up South of Uvalde, Texas and traveled throughout
Mexico but now work in Virginia, Denver's pretty damn good. My work
sends me to Denver for training and I regularly cruise Federal in
search of comida on my off hours. Try Taqueria Patzcuaro or Tia Maria
#2.

I hear Tucson and Phoenix have become so gringoized and honkified that
it's damn hard to find decent comida. A friend got her PhD in Tucson in
the '70s so knew the area, but had trouble finding places at a
conference out there last spring that even served menudo or machacado.

T.

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> wrote:
>I hear Tucson and Phoenix have become so gringoized and honkified that
>it's damn hard to find decent comida. A friend got her PhD in Tucson in
>the '70s so knew the area, but had trouble finding places at a
>conference out there last spring that even served menudo or machacado.


Phoenix is crawling with mom&pop mexican but is big so
it doesn't look it. Tucson is still semi-small-town,
so it's all about which wrong turn you take.

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> Tucson is still semi-small-town,
> so it's all about which wrong turn you take.


About 1970...
I am pretty sure it was Tucson...
"Got a Buck? Eat at Chuck's"
(or was it ..."See Chuck?")

Steak (smallish), veges, corn, rice , beans, dessert, and (maybe) soup and a
beverage...
One Dollah !!!!!


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Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> In article om>,
> > wrote:
> >Well, during last night's episode, Alton (Mr Food Science) said diddley
> >squat about not being able to boil water to 212F at 14K.

>
> And if he wanted coffee on top of Pike's Peak, why the heck
> didn't he just walk right over to the snack bar and buy a
> cup? He acted like there wasn't a snack bar, tourist
> trinket shop, and cog train depot right behind his cameraman.
>
> This is the first thing on this show that's significantly
> annoyed me.
>


It was some kind of goal of his, to do it, not to buy it. Relax,
folks, there are only a total of 4 episodes of this program. Turn the
channel if you don't like it. There's only one more new episode.

N.

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One time on Usenet, "Nancy2" > said:
> Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> > In article om>,
> > > wrote:


> > >Well, during last night's episode, Alton (Mr Food Science) said diddley
> > >squat about not being able to boil water to 212F at 14K.


> > And if he wanted coffee on top of Pike's Peak, why the heck
> > didn't he just walk right over to the snack bar and buy a
> > cup? He acted like there wasn't a snack bar, tourist
> > trinket shop, and cog train depot right behind his cameraman.


> > This is the first thing on this show that's significantly
> > annoyed me.


> It was some kind of goal of his, to do it, not to buy it. Relax,
> folks, there are only a total of 4 episodes of this program. Turn the
> channel if you don't like it. There's only one more new episode.


I don't mind what little I've seen of the show, but I don't care
for the title -- it gives me images of someone literally eating the
roadway...

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In article .com>,
Nancy2 > wrote:
>
>Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>>
>> And if he wanted coffee on top of Pike's Peak, why the heck
>> didn't he just walk right over to the snack bar and buy a
>> cup? He acted like there wasn't a snack bar, tourist
>> trinket shop, and cog train depot right behind his cameraman.
>>
>> This is the first thing on this show that's significantly
>> annoyed me.

>
>It was some kind of goal of his, to do it, not to buy it. Relax,
>folks, there are only a total of 4 episodes of this program. Turn the
>channel if you don't like it. There's only one more new episode.


Nah, he's been stopping at places and buying the whole trip.
I'd have been fine if he'd said "We're not going to go into
the boring little snack bar and tourist trinket shop behind
my cameraman, because it's just as boring as all the other
boring little snack bars and tourist trinket shops at every
other tourist destination. We're going to try to whip up
some coffee ourselves. Besides, it gives me an excuse to
start a fire!"

Or "The good news is, there's a snack bar that serves hot
coffee. The bad news is, we're up here at 9 AM, and the snack
bar doesn't open until 10, and we're freezing and need coffee
RIGHT NOW. And it's a boring generic tourist snack bar anyway."

Or something.

But as I've been saying, I like the show, and wish it went for
more than four episodes. This bit was just ... annoying,
because I've taken the cog train to the top of Pike's Peak and
been in the snack bar/tourist trinket shop, and the way they
shot that bit gave a false impression of what's up there.

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>It was some kind of goal of his, to do it, not to buy it. Relax,
>folks, there are only a total of 4 episodes of this program. Turn the
>channel if you don't like it. There's only one more new episode.


And it looks from the commercials like half of that is
going to be an incursion on the Discovery Health channel's
demographics...

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>>It was some kind of goal of his, to do it, not to buy it. Relax,
>>folks, there are only a total of 4 episodes of this program. Turn the
>>channel if you don't like it. There's only one more new episode.

>
> Nah, he's been stopping at places and buying the whole trip.


Sure, he's been buying things the whole trip - but the "goal"
mentioned was to make coffee AT 14,000 FEET, and that's
not something he can try to do anywhere else.

> I'd have been fine if he'd said "We're not going to go into
> the boring little snack bar and tourist trinket shop behind
> my cameraman, because it's just as boring as all the other
> boring little snack bars and tourist trinket shops at every
> other tourist destination.


I'm not sure exactly when this whole thing was shot - given
the weather, etc., that Alton's encountered along the way,
plus the time required for post-production before the series
could air, I'm guessing that it was some time in the spring -
late March through perhaps mid-May. The snack bar &
gift shop on Pike's Peak isn't open year-round, at least not
as regularly as would be the case during the summer tourist
season (in CO, we generally think of that as being from
Memorial Day to Labor Day). Getting coffee (or anything
else) at the snack bar may not have been an option. There
usually isn't QUITE as much snow up there by the real
summer season as was seen in this episode.

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> I'm not sure exactly when this whole thing was shot - given
> the weather, etc., that Alton's encountered along the way,
> plus the time required for post-production before the series
> could air, I'm guessing that it was some time in the spring -
> late March through perhaps mid-May. The snack bar &
> gift shop on Pike's Peak isn't open year-round, at least not
> as regularly as would be the case during the summer tourist
> season (in CO, we generally think of that as being from
> Memorial Day to Labor Day). Getting coffee (or anything
> else) at the snack bar may not have been an option. There
> usually isn't QUITE as much snow up there by the real
> summer season as was seen in this episode.
>
> Bob M.


Seems to me like it was in May when he stopped in the town my mom lives in
in Colorado. I could ask her.

Ms P


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