JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>
>
> Nothing surprises me. I used to go camping regularly in NY State Parks.
> Pattern: Someone would get the bathroom sparkling clean. An hour later, one
> sink looks like someone rinsed mud off their shoes in it, and the other
> contains gobs of glistening green phlegm. Probably the same pigs who burn
> plastic plates in their campfires.
>
> Some people live like animals.

Some people are disgusting. Eight years ago we were in Europe and after
entering France at Strasbourg we stopped at a roadside rest area. The washroom
facilities were quite nice. It even had a shower. The problem was that someone
has shit on the toilet seat and in the shower.

I worked for a while as a weekend janitor in a small restaurant. The women's
washroom was always infinitely worse than the men's room. That really
surprised me. I grew up with three brothers and my mother was the one who
taught us not to make a mess, stressed the importance of aim, and to clean up
after ourselves. I was surprised to see that women are such slobs.

On 2006-08-10, Dave Smith > wrote:

> has shit on the toilet seat and in the shower.

Often, this is a cultural phenomena. We had many asian workers and
asian visitors to our company and it quickly became apparent many
asian cultures do not use toilets as we know them. They squat over a
hole or trough to do their business. When confronted with a western
style toilet, they often perch on the seat and squat. Their aim is
not always true.

> I worked for a while as a weekend janitor in a small restaurant. The women's
> washroom was always infinitely worse than the men's room.

Sad, but true. Women seem to be much more gross than men in this
area.

nb

nb

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> Michel Boucher wrote:
>
>> On a visit to Plymouth NH back in 1994 to deliver a lunch address
>> to the Canadian Studies annual meeting, I was referred to many
>> times as a "character" in conversations between my hosts and
>> members of the community, as in "Isn't he a character?" or "He
>> sure is a character". I was a bit non-plussed but assumed it was
>> used to refer in non- confrontational terms to my (to
>> mid-Novahampshereans) unconventional appearance and manner.
>>
>> Obviously, it was a form of social telegraph.
>
> Obviously a more enlightened crowd. Less articulate people say
> "asshole" instead of "character" :-)

I'm fairly certain that your experience does not have any impact on
mine :-)

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is a revolutionary act."

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Dave Smith wrote:

> I worked for a while as a weekend janitor in a small restaurant. The women's
> washroom was always infinitely worse than the men's room. That really
> surprised me. I grew up with three brothers and my mother was the one who
> taught us not to make a mess, stressed the importance of aim, and to clean up
> after ourselves. I was surprised to see that women are such slobs.

Unfortunately true here too. In 4 years of running one nightclub we
had many broken toilet seats and mirrors in the ladies, sanitary
towels and other unmentionables thrown round the place (with the
proper disposal facilities available), lipstick over all the mirrors,
and broken door locks.

The Gents? One mirror tile, which probably fell off due to age.

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"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
news
> Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
>> I am under the impression that the large majority of people who work
>> in Irish pubs abroad are not Irish, and that many of the pubs have no
>> Irish staff at all.
>
> They seem to have an enormous number of Anglophones in the pubs.
>
> People in the UK and Ireland drink to get drunk, and that type of
> drinking is well adapted to a pub. People in Southern Europe usually
> drink for other reasons and only become drunk incidentally (if at
> all), and that is better adapted to other venues, such as restaurants,
> clubs, or other places where the primary product or service is not
> based on alcohol.

But as you don't travel, haven't any recent knowledge of any of the places
you refer to, and have been gratuitously insulting to millions of people
such as myself who drink in moderation, why should anyone take any notice of
you. And please do remind me about the uniiversal rules of music.

JohnT

wrote:

> Bailey Legull wrote:
>
>>Ugly American tourists want to know.
>
>
> Applying logic, are Irish people who go to Irish pubs across the globe
> automatically Ugly Irish? How about French people going to
> French restaurants overseas?

Apply a little MORE "logic" and read the OP's original post.
His confessed behaviour is hardly an advertisement for
American tourists! (Quite apart from the quality of
Starbuck's coffee, which he may prefer simply be because
he's never encountered the genuine beverage.)

Padraig Breathnach wrote:

> wrote:
>
>>Bailey Legull wrote:
>>
>>>Ugly American tourists want to know.
>>
>>Applying logic, are Irish people who go to Irish pubs across the globe
>>automatically Ugly Irish?
>
>
> I'll stay neutral on the specific question, but I will comment that
> most Irish people I know have little inclination to visit Irish pubs
> overseas. The reasoning is simple: why spend good money to travel and
> then seek the experiences you can have at home?

For no good reason, that reminds me of a "foreign" film I
saw eons ago (when they were still mostly in black and
white). It dealt with an Englishman who was the envy of his
friends because he had arranged to spend a week-end in
Paris. Of course there were all the nudge-nudge, wink-wink
comments from the friends, to which he replied with a
knowing smile. The film then showed his "exciting" weekend -
a bed & breakfast featuring a sour-faced English landlady,
and the entire week-end spent at an "English" pub in Paris.
No Folies Bergere, no wild, wild women - just a quiet
couple of days he might just as well have spent at home!

>

Zox writes:

> By your logic, it is un-French to be a nonsmoker.

That is very nearly true.

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Bailey Legull wrote:

> wrote:
>
>>Bailey Legull wrote:
>>
>>>Ugly American tourists want to know.
>>
>>Applying logic, are Irish people who go to Irish pubs across the globe
>>automatically Ugly Irish? How about French people going to
>>French restaurants overseas?
>
>
> That's odd logic. Are these pubs and restaurants ugly, overpriced
> chains that couldn't hold the jockstraps of their (native)
> counterparts? Starbucks is crap compared to what AMERICA has to offer.
> Now transplant it to a country with arguably the best coffee in the
> world.

In any case, it was the OP's confessed BEHAVIOUR that brands
him an "Ugly American", not his unaccountable taste in coffee.

Padraig Breathnach writes:

> Do you mean staff or customers?

Both.

> While there is some basis for that claim, it is wrong to state it in
> the form of a general truth. Some people in the UK and Ireland drink
> to get drunk; most don't.

The UK and Ireland both have serious problems with public intoxication
and binge drinking.

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JohnT writes:

> But as you don't travel, haven't any recent knowledge of any of the places
> you refer to ...

I read.

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Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Dave Frightens Me wrote:
>
>
>>On 9 Aug 2006 13:37:08 -0700, "aem" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dave Frightens Me wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gosh, are you an American by any chance?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Now that's funny, but no, trolls don't have nationalities. -aem
>>
>>It's not his first post, so I don't think it's a troll.
>
>
>
> I've been on Usenet for eight years now and there are still those who claim
> I'm a troll...

.....But a self-confessed one, IIRC! ;-)

>

Dave Smith wrote:

> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Do the Starbucks in Rome charge more for patrons who wish to sit
>>>>down...???
>>>
>>>More than what?
>>
>>In Italy and I guess France but I am not sure, you pay far less to
>>stand at the "bar" and eat or to take it away, but if you want to eat
>>at a table that same food will cost more.
>
>
> I don't know about Italy, but in many parts of western Europe, service is
> automatically included in the price. If something says 5 Euros, it's 5
> Euros, tax and service included.

Which is why the prices on the menu a waiter hands you are
likely to be higher than those posted behind the bar.
> .
>

Craig Welch wrote:

> PeterL wrote:
>
>> Starbuck serves a function. I need Splender for my coffee. It is not
>> available anywhere else but Starbucks. And of course the no smoking
>> part.
>
>
> No-one 'needs Splender'.

The brand name is "Splenda", and if you prefer your coffee
sweetened and are diabetic, you do INDEED "need" it or some
generic thereof.
>

Tim C. wrote:

> Following up to "Zox" > :
>
>
>>And yes, you can put your feet up
>>if you take off your shoes as I did and I have seen French
>>people do it. All this "Ugly American" talk is infantile
>>and boorish.
>
>
> Aha, changing the goalposts now are we?
> Maybe your feet were dirty? Maybe the others were lucky. But you do behave
> like an ugly American, even here.

And make a lot of Americans ashamed to admit to being your
fellow-countryment!

Mxsmanic wrote:

> > While there is some basis for that claim, it is wrong to state it in
> > the form of a general truth. Some people in the UK and Ireland drink
> > to get drunk; most don't.
>
> The UK and Ireland both have serious problems with public intoxication
> and binge drinking.

Northern Europe is supposed to have more intoxication and binge drinking,
but Paris was the only place in Europe where I saw drunken women fighting.
It was wicked. One drunken broad lifted the the other woman's near
comatose head and smashed it against a table. Paris is also the only
place where I saw people ****ing in the streets, morning, noon and night,
right out in the open on crowded streets. We stayed in hotel one night,
and one night only, where half the time you looked out the window some
drunk was ****ing on the sidewalk.

I used to believe that line about how when people are raised with the
French attitude toward alcohol and nudity they had a more mature approach.
Then I went to France and learned that Boulevard is more than a strip of
greenery down the middle of a wide street. It is a place for the drunks to
hang out all day and all night, and that almost all advertising is done
with pictures of tits and ass.

Mxsmanic > wrote:

>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
>> While there is some basis for that claim, it is wrong to state it in
>> the form of a general truth. Some people in the UK and Ireland drink
>> to get drunk; most don't.
>
>The UK and Ireland both have serious problems with public intoxication
>and binge drinking.

There you go, snipping relevant context again.

The fact that the UK and Ireland have problems with public
intoxication and binge drinking does not justify your generalisation
that people in the UK and Ireland drink to get drunk. Do you agree
with what I said: that most don't?

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Dave Smith wrote:

> Northern Europe is supposed to have more intoxication and binge drinking,
> but Paris was the only place in Europe where I saw drunken women fighting.
....We stayed in hotel one night,
> and one night only, where half the time you looked out the window some
> drunk was ****ing on the sidewalk.




What year was this? My experience was so different that I'm wondering
if the difference might have to do with when we were there rather than
which arrondissment.


--Lia

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> JohnT writes:
>
>> But as you don't travel, haven't any recent knowledge of any of the
>> places
>> you refer to ...
>
> I read.

But you recently said that you don't. And, in this context, reading won't
confer knowledge.

JohnT

Mxsmanic > wrote:

> Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
> > I'll stay neutral on the specific question, but I will comment that
> > most Irish people I know have little inclination to visit Irish pubs
> > overseas. The reasoning is simple: why spend good money to travel and
> > then seek the experiences you can have at home?
>
> The main reason for Irish pubs abroad is to give Irish expats an
> excuse for staying in a foreign country. Anyone can open a pub.

Go away and play with yourself.

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Julia Altshuler wrote:

> > Northern Europe is supposed to have more intoxication and binge drinking,
> > but Paris was the only place in Europe where I saw drunken women fighting.
> ...We stayed in hotel one night,
> > and one night only, where half the time you looked out the window some
> > drunk was ****ing on the sidewalk.
>
> What year was this? My experience was so different that I'm wondering
> if the difference might have to do with when we were there rather than
> which arrondissment.

It was 1993 when we saw the girl fight. Drunks in the boulevards would have been
1993, 1999 and 2001. People ****ing in the streets was ..... all three . The
worst was in Pigaille area. It wasn't just at night. I saw it happening at 8 am.
We changed hotels and and moved to one near the Alma bridge and tunnel.... and I
saw there too, in the middle of the afternoon.

Michel Boucher wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
> > Michel Boucher wrote:
> >
> >> On a visit to Plymouth NH back in 1994 to deliver a lunch address
> >> to the Canadian Studies annual meeting, I was referred to many
> >> times as a "character" in conversations between my hosts and
> >> members of the community, as in "Isn't he a character?" or "He
> >> sure is a character". I was a bit non-plussed but assumed it was
> >> used to refer in non- confrontational terms to my (to
> >> mid-Novahampshereans) unconventional appearance and manner.
> >>
> >> Obviously, it was a form of social telegraph.
> >
> > Obviously a more enlightened crowd. Less articulate people say
> > "asshole" instead of "character" :-)
>
> I'm fairly certain that your experience does not have any impact on
> mine :-)


In real life, when I say, "Oh, he's such a character" it's not a term of
approbation, it's more a form of approval...it means at the least that they
are interesting

In the case of originally describing gRunge and Jacqueline I should have
qualified my statement by saying "gRunge and Jacqueline are characters of
the baser sort" or some such...

The rest of this lot on rec.travel.europe I genuinely like. Even gRunge and
Jacqueline aren't that bad, they are more in the "ridiculous" category --
sort of our "pet" trolls one might say :-)

--
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On 9 Aug 2006 13:37:08 -0700, "aem" > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Gosh, are you an American by any chance?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Now that's funny, but no, trolls don't have nationalities. -aem
> >>
> >>It's not his first post, so I don't think it's a troll.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been on Usenet for eight years now and there are still those who
claim
> > I'm a troll...
>
> ....But a self-confessed one, IIRC! ;-)


At least I possess of measure of self - awareness (I think!), Evelyn... ;-)

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Craig Welch wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:20:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9 Aug 2006 13:37:08 -0700, "aem" > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> >>>>>> Gosh, are you an American by any chance?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Now that's funny, but no, trolls don't have nationalities. -aem
> >>>> It's not his first post, so I don't think it's a troll.
> >>>
> >>> I've been on Usenet for eight years now and there are still those who
> > claim
> >>> I'm a troll...
> >> You're a shit-stirrer, not a troll!
> >
> >
> > Lol...and I've got me own religion too ;-p
>
> Tax deductible?


I'll have to work on that ;-)

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Greg

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:

> The brand name is "Splenda", and if you prefer your coffee
> sweetened and are diabetic, you do INDEED "need" it or some
> generic thereof.

There are many types of artificial sweeteners, although Splenda has an
advantage where high temperatures are concerned.

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Dave Smith writes:

> Northern Europe is supposed to have more intoxication and binge drinking,
> but Paris was the only place in Europe where I saw drunken women fighting.
> It was wicked. One drunken broad lifted the the other woman's near
> comatose head and smashed it against a table. Paris is also the only
> place where I saw people ****ing in the streets, morning, noon and night,
> right out in the open on crowded streets. We stayed in hotel one night,
> and one night only, where half the time you looked out the window some
> drunk was ****ing on the sidewalk.

When was this? And where in Paris were you?

> I used to believe that line about how when people are raised with the
> French attitude toward alcohol and nudity they had a more mature approach.
> Then I went to France and learned that Boulevard is more than a strip of
> greenery down the middle of a wide street. It is a place for the drunks to
> hang out all day and all night, and that almost all advertising is done
> with pictures of tits and ass.

The French are more easy-going with nudity and alcohol, but it is also
true that nudity and alcohol are ubiquitous in French society. It's
hard to identify cause and effect, though.

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Padraig Breathnach writes:

> The fact that the UK and Ireland have problems with public
> intoxication and binge drinking does not justify your generalisation
> that people in the UK and Ireland drink to get drunk.

The sources I've read say exactly that. Most people in these
countries who drink do so specifically to get drunk, as opposed to
other countries where drinking is prevalent but public intoxication is
considered socially unacceptable.

> Do you agree with what I said: that most don't?

No. Those who drink in these countries tend to drink to get drunk.

There are other countries with similar problems, especially in
Northern Europe. The U.S. and Japan are apparently this way as well.

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In article . net>,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> Do the Starbucks in Rome charge more for patrons who wish to sit down...???

I didn't think there were Starbucks in Italy. How would they compete
with lower-priced espressos and capuccinos?

Just checked their web site. You can't search for any locations in
Italy (goes from Ireland to Japan) so presumably there aren't any.

In article <44db0d24.106562689@localhost>,
(D. Ross) wrote:

> This is the norm in Italy, and it makes some sense if you think of it as
> renting a table at which you plan to sit for a while.

There are some cafes in the US which provides free Wifi access. So some
people take advantage and occupy tables for hours.

Some establishments have started shutting off Wifi during rush hours, to
try to get people to move on.

Craig Welch wrote:

> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Craig Welch wrote:
>>
>>> PeterL wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starbuck serves a function. I need Splender for my coffee. It is not
>>>> available anywhere else but Starbucks. And of course the no smoking
>>>> part.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No-one 'needs Splender'.
>>
>>
>> The brand name is "Splenda",
>
>
> I know.
>
> > and if you prefer your coffee sweetened and
>
>> are diabetic, you do INDEED "need" it or some generic thereof.
>
>
> The days when diabetics thought a spoonfull of sugar would cause them a
> problem are long gone. The pastry with the coffee would do the real damage.
>

But if you think Starbuck's COFFEE is bad.....

Following up to Mxsmanic > :

>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
>> Do you mean staff or customers?
>
>Both.
>
>> While there is some basis for that claim, it is wrong to state it in
>> the form of a general truth. Some people in the UK and Ireland drink
>> to get drunk; most don't.
>
>The UK and Ireland both have serious problems with public intoxication
>and binge drinking.

Most other places do as well - only in the UK it's fashionable to be
paranoid about it.
--
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Following up to Mxsmanic > :

>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
>> The fact that the UK and Ireland have problems with public
>> intoxication and binge drinking does not justify your generalisation
>> that people in the UK and Ireland drink to get drunk.
>
>The sources I've read say exactly that.

What are your sources, specifically?
--
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"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
message k.net...
>

> In real life, when I say, "Oh, he's such a character" it's not a term of
> approbation, it's more a form of approval...it means at the least that
they
> are interesting
>
> In the case of originally describing gRunge and Jacqueline I should have
> qualified my statement by saying "gRunge and Jacqueline are characters of
> the baser sort" or some such...
>
> The rest of this lot on rec.travel.europe I genuinely like. Even gRunge
and
> Jacqueline aren't that bad, they are more in the "ridiculous" category --
> sort of our "pet" trolls one might say :-)
>

You have got to be kidding. Can you really be such a simpering twit?

Following up to Mxsmanic > :

>JohnT writes:
>
>> But as you don't travel, haven't any recent knowledge of any of the places
>> you refer to ...
>
>I read.

If your demonstrations of reading and comprehension here is anything to go
by, you were probably reading the Beano.
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"Tim C." > wrote in message
...
> Following up to Mxsmanic > :
>
> >Padraig Breathnach writes:
> >
> >> Do you mean staff or customers?
> >
> >Both.
> >
> >> While there is some basis for that claim, it is wrong to state it in
> >> the form of a general truth. Some people in the UK and Ireland drink
> >> to get drunk; most don't.
> >
> >The UK and Ireland both have serious problems with public intoxication
> >and binge drinking.
>
> Most other places do as well - only in the UK it's fashionable to be
> paranoid about it.
> --

WAHHH hahaha! Really?! Is that sooooo ...

Following up to "cybercat" > :

>
>"Tim C." > wrote in message
.. .
>> Following up to Mxsmanic > :
>>
>> >Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> >
>> >> Do you mean staff or customers?
>> >
>> >Both.
>> >
>> >> While there is some basis for that claim, it is wrong to state it in
>> >> the form of a general truth. Some people in the UK and Ireland drink
>> >> to get drunk; most don't.
>> >
>> >The UK and Ireland both have serious problems with public intoxication
>> >and binge drinking.
>>
>> Most other places do as well - only in the UK it's fashionable to be
>> paranoid about it.
>> --
>
>WAHHH hahaha! Really?! Is that sooooo ...

And your point is ...?
--
Tim C.

If the French do it, then "when in France, do as the French"
and put up your feet.

You're only pointing the finger at me because you are
obnoxious and need to transfer your guilt.

Thus you are little more than a bully.

Dave Smith > wrote:

> BB wrote:
>
> > > Some people like to smoke. Some don't. It's what's generally called a
> > > 'freedom of choice' matter. If you don't like smoking, don't go where
> > > people smoke.
> >
> > He went into a non-smoking establishment, where no one was smoking when he
> > ordered his coffee. Shouldn't that be enough?
> >
>
> We were taken out to dinner by a friend in Victoria. Her boyfriend was upset
> because someone was smoking in the smoking section of the restaurant. Having
> separate sections wasn't good enough for him. I didn't smell any smoke. My
> wife didn't smell any smoke. The only thing that put a damper on out meal was
> him carrying on and on and on about the smoke that no one smelled.

You don't know that he didn't though. Some people are more sensitive to
it. I frequently notice smoke in restaurants with separate sections- not
to mention the fact that the divider can be very arbitrary. I prefer to
go to a smoke-free restaurant when possible.

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"Padraig Breathnach" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>>
>>Bailey Legull wrote:
>>> Ugly American tourists want to know.
>>
>>Applying logic, are Irish people who go to Irish pubs across the globe
>>automatically Ugly Irish?
>
> I'll stay neutral on the specific question, but I will comment that
> most Irish people I know have little inclination to visit Irish pubs
> overseas. The reasoning is simple: why spend good money to travel and
> then seek the experiences you can have at home?

Because IME they are almost always staffed by english
speaking staff.

The usefullness of this, of course, depends upon whether
the local bars are also staffed with english speaking staff,
but I can think of one or two regions where this is not
common.

tim

>
> --
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Tim C. writes:

> What are your sources, specifically?

I don't keep a log of my sources.

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