I drove in to Philly to the Reading Terminal Market. Bad idea. There was
an Amish festival going on and it was packed with people! Busier than
I've ever seen it. Out of four small produce stands, no banana chile
peppers!

I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
this!).

They blocked off part of Arch street and put out chairs and bales of hay
for the audience to watch live music. I watched an Amish bluegrass band
belt out a few songs. Made up of banjo, mandolin, standup bass and two
guitars. They were great!!! There was also a hayride pulled by two mini
ponies for the kids!

Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light and
left.

Drove over to the Italian Market, stopping first at Pat's King of Steaks
for a cheesesteak. It was as bad as I remembered them. I didn't even
finish it! The BUMS!!!

Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!

I tried, dammit.

Andy

Andy wrote:
> I drove in to Philly to the Reading Terminal Market. Bad idea. There was
> an Amish festival going on and it was packed with people! Busier than
> I've ever seen it. Out of four small produce stands, no banana chile
> peppers!
>
> I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
> chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
> this!).
>
> They blocked off part of Arch street and put out chairs and bales of hay
> for the audience to watch live music. I watched an Amish bluegrass band
> belt out a few songs. Made up of banjo, mandolin, standup bass and two
> guitars. They were great!!! There was also a hayride pulled by two mini
> ponies for the kids!
>
> Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light and
> left.
>
> Drove over to the Italian Market, stopping first at Pat's King of Steaks
> for a cheesesteak. It was as bad as I remembered them. I didn't even
> finish it! The BUMS!!!
>
> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
>
> I tried, dammit.
>
> Andy
>
>
Is that a new version of the song: "Yes, We Have No Bananas"?
Updated, for today's foodies? )

Andy wrote:
<snip>
>
> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
>
> I tried, dammit.
>
I guess you have to "grow your own"!


sf
Still wondering why you don't just substitute Anaheim.

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>I drove in to Philly to the Reading Terminal Market. Bad idea. There was
> an Amish festival going on and it was packed with people! Busier than
> I've ever seen it. Out of four small produce stands, no banana chile
> peppers!
>
> I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
> chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
> this!).

You can use brown sugar just as well.
>
> They blocked off part of Arch street and put out chairs and bales of hay
> for the audience to watch live music. I watched an Amish bluegrass band
> belt out a few songs. Made up of banjo, mandolin, standup bass and two
> guitars. They were great!!! There was also a hayride pulled by two mini
> ponies for the kids!
>
> Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light and
> left.

The Amish drink?
>
> Drove over to the Italian Market, stopping first at Pat's King of Steaks
> for a cheesesteak. It was as bad as I remembered them. I didn't even
> finish it! The BUMS!!!
>
> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
>
> I tried, dammit.

It's hard to find good asian markets near me too :-(
>
> Andy
>
>

Grinner, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
2006, typed out:

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>> I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
>> chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
>> this!).
>
> You can use brown sugar just as well.

That's what I have been using until now.


>> Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light
and
>> left.
>
> The Amish drink?

The Reading Terminal Market is about 60 or so small restaurants and food
retailers run by many different people. The beergarten is run by a couple
gals from Philly.

If you want more info about the market, visit:

http://readingterminalmarket.org
http://readingterminalmarket.org/map.php click on a vendor to see their
offerings and photos.

It really is a special place.

All the best

Andy

sf, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
typed out:

>
> Andy wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
>>
>> I tried, dammit.
>>
> I guess you have to "grow your own"!
>
>
> sf
> Still wondering why you don't just substitute Anaheim.


sf,

I will. I just couldn't give up without exhausting the two best chances
in Philly, first.

I'll visit Amish country next week. I'm leaning towards doubtful but it's
always worth going for all the other harvests. It's only an hour away!

Andy

Margaret Suran, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12
Aug 2006, typed out:

> Is that a new version of the song: "Yes, We Have No Bananas"?
> Updated, for today's foodies? )


Margaret,

I always try for a catchy subject line.

Andy

Andy wrote on 12 Aug 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> I drove in to Philly to the Reading Terminal Market. Bad idea. There
was
> an Amish festival going on and it was packed with people! Busier than
> I've ever seen it. Out of four small produce stands, no banana chile
> peppers!
>
> I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
> chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
> this!).
>
> They blocked off part of Arch street and put out chairs and bales of
hay
> for the audience to watch live music. I watched an Amish bluegrass band
> belt out a few songs. Made up of banjo, mandolin, standup bass and two
> guitars. They were great!!! There was also a hayride pulled by two mini
> ponies for the kids!
>
> Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light
and
> left.
>
> Drove over to the Italian Market, stopping first at Pat's King of
Steaks
> for a cheesesteak. It was as bad as I remembered them. I didn't even
> finish it! The BUMS!!!
>
> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
>
> I tried, dammit.
>
> Andy
>
>
>

well here's a picture....AKA hungarian peppers...Maybe they ain't
chiles...just peppers?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...r/IMGP3922.jpg

--


Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect

-Alan

Andy wrote:

>
> Drove over to the Italian Market, stopping first at Pat's King of Steaks
> for a cheesesteak. It was as bad as I remembered them. I didn't even
> finish it! The BUMS!!!

You were within a few blocks of some great Vietnamese markets (where you
would have found the peppers and lots of asian goodies) and Pho
restaurants at that point. When I am in that area I skip the touristy
"deuling cheesesteak" places and have great Pho on Washington.

There are 2 Vietnamese "shopping centers" on Washington. One is 2 blocks
over from the Italian market and the other maybe 8 blocks east.


>
> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
>
> I tried, dammit.
>
> Andy
>
>

Here ya go, Andy:

http://tinyurl.com/jhkzp
http://tinyurl.com/hwzhf

Carol

Mr Libido Incognito, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on
12 Aug 2006, typed out:

> well here's a picture....AKA hungarian peppers...Maybe they ain't
> chiles...just peppers?
>
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...r/IMGP3922.jpg


Mr Libido Incognito,

From the Cook's Thesaurus website:

http://www.foodsubs.com/Chilefre.html

yellow wax pepper = Hungarian wax pepper = hot Hungarian wax pepper
Notes: These are easily confused with milder banana peppers. Sample
before using. Substitutes: banana pepper (milder) OR guero

Andy

Damsel in dis Dress, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on
12 Aug 2006, typed out:

> Here ya go, Andy:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jhkzp
> http://tinyurl.com/hwzhf
>
> Carol


Carol,

I did see that brand the ACME. That'll be the last resort. At the moment,
I'm too busy trying to find those suckers and punishing myself in the
process.

Andy

George, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
2006, typed out:

> Andy wrote:
>
>>
>> Drove over to the Italian Market, stopping first at Pat's King of
>> Steaks for a cheesesteak. It was as bad as I remembered them. I
>> didn't even finish it! The BUMS!!!
>
> You were within a few blocks of some great Vietnamese markets (where
> you would have found the peppers and lots of asian goodies) and Pho
> restaurants at that point. When I am in that area I skip the touristy
> "deuling cheesesteak" places and have great Pho on Washington.
>
> There are 2 Vietnamese "shopping centers" on Washington. One is 2
> blocks over from the Italian market and the other maybe 8 blocks east.


George,

Thanks for the fyi! That's good to know! Next time I'm that way I'll have
a look.

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Grinner, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
> 2006, typed out:
>
>>
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>>> I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
>>> chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
>>> this!).
>>
>> You can use brown sugar just as well.
>
> That's what I have been using until now.
>
>
>>> Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light
> and
>>> left.
>>
>> The Amish drink?
>
> The Reading Terminal Market is about 60 or so small restaurants and food
> retailers run by many different people. The beergarten is run by a couple
> gals from Philly.
>
> If you want more info about the market, visit:
>
> http://readingterminalmarket.org
> http://readingterminalmarket.org/map.php click on a vendor to see their
> offerings and photos.
>
> It really is a special place.

oh I just got the impression the Amish were serving beer is all.
>
> All the best
>
> Andy

Andy wrote:
> sf, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
> typed out:
>
> >
> > Andy wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> Walked the entire market and nobody had banana chile peppers!!!
> >>
> >> I tried, dammit.
> >>
> > I guess you have to "grow your own"!
> >
> >
> > sf
> > Still wondering why you don't just substitute Anaheim.
>
>
> sf,
>
> I will. I just couldn't give up without exhausting the two best chances
> in Philly, first.
>
> I'll visit Amish country next week. I'm leaning towards doubtful but it's
> always worth going for all the other harvests. It's only an hour away!
>

Well, it's a good enough excuse for a buggy ride in the country.

Grinner, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
2006, typed out:

> oh I just got the impression the Amish were serving beer is all.


Grinner,

And rightly you did. I condensed the total of my eat and drink into one
sentence. Oops. Sorry!

Andy

Andy wrote:

>>
>>There are 2 Vietnamese "shopping centers" on Washington. One is 2
>>blocks over from the Italian market and the other maybe 8 blocks east.
>
>
>
> George,
>
> Thanks for the fyi! That's good to know! Next time I'm that way I'll have
> a look.
>
> Andy
>

Here is a link for one of the Pho places:

http://cityguide.aol.com/philadelphi...sbid=108102345

The Mexican restaurant one block north (across from the park) of the
deuling cheesesteak places is really good too.

Andy wrote on 12 Aug 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> From the Cook's Thesaurus website:
>
> http://www.foodsubs.com/Chilefre.html
>
> yellow wax pepper = Hungarian wax pepper = hot Hungarian wax pepper
> Notes: These are easily confused with milder banana peppers. Sample
> before using. Substitutes: banana pepper (milder) OR guero
>
> Andy
>

Well up here the pickle company...Bicks...makes Banana peppers and most
every grocery store chain carries the Pickled Banana Peppers.

Bicks also makes dill pickles, pickled onions, relishes and a mess of
other pickled stuff.

--


Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect

-Alan

Andy wrote:

>Walked the entire market and nobody
> had banana chile peppers!!!

>I tried, dammit.

Andy, have you tried Gentilie's produce stand on 252 in Newtown Square?

It's not far from you. Hal

DOGS RULE

George, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
2006, typed out:

> Andy wrote:
>
>>>
>>>There are 2 Vietnamese "shopping centers" on Washington. One is 2
>>>blocks over from the Italian market and the other maybe 8 blocks
>>>east.
>>
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> Thanks for the fyi! That's good to know! Next time I'm that way I'll
>> have a look.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
> Here is a link for one of the Pho places:
>
> http://cityguide.aol.com/philadelphi...sbid=108102345

It maps at 6th and Washington! I placed a pushpin in Delorme's Street
Atlas.


> The Mexican restaurant one block north (across from the park) of the
> deuling cheesesteak places is really good too.

That would be La Lupe. Pushpinned. I walked right past it today!

Thanks,

Andy

Hal, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
typed out:

> Andy wrote:
>
>>Walked the entire market and nobody
>> had banana chile peppers!!!
>
>>I tried, dammit.
>
> Andy, have you tried Gentilie's produce stand on 252 in Newtown Square?
>
> It's not far from you. Hal
>
> DOGS RULE


Hal,

ABSOLUTELY!!! That's my favorite produce market!!! They're my first stop!
I've been a customer for ages! ))

Then there's Produce Junction in Broomall's Lawrence Park. Not thrilled
with their "call out and we'll pick your veggies" strategy, but $1.00 a
bunch basil can't be beat, imho! Then there's Wolfs on 452 (south of
Baltimore Pike) although pricy and a tad overrated. For example, 2
avocados for $3.00, compared to Gentile's $0.79 cents each. Then there's
the new to me Linvilla Orchards just off 352 and Knowlton Rd., in Media.

All the best,

Andy

sf, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
typed out:

>> I'll visit Amish country next week. I'm leaning towards doubtful but
>> it's always worth going for all the other harvests. It's only an hour
>> away!
>>
>
> Well, it's a good enough excuse for a buggy ride in the country.


sf,

Pennsylvania Dutch country is so much more than a buggy ride. I could
happily waste so much more of your time just visiting EVERYTHING else
they have to offer!

All the best,

Andy

Andy wrote:
> sf, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
> typed out:
>
> >> I'll visit Amish country next week. I'm leaning towards doubtful but
> >> it's always worth going for all the other harvests. It's only an hour
> >> away!
> >>
> >
> > Well, it's a good enough excuse for a buggy ride in the country.
>
>
> sf,
>
> Pennsylvania Dutch country is so much more than a buggy ride. I could
> happily waste so much more of your time just visiting EVERYTHING else
> they have to offer!
>
I meant a ride in *your* buggy.

sf, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
typed out:

>
> Andy wrote:
>> sf, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
>> typed out:
>>
>> >> I'll visit Amish country next week. I'm leaning towards doubtful
but
>> >> it's always worth going for all the other harvests. It's only an
hour
>> >> away!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, it's a good enough excuse for a buggy ride in the country.
>>
>>
>> sf,
>>
>> Pennsylvania Dutch country is so much more than a buggy ride. I could
>> happily waste so much more of your time just visiting EVERYTHING else
>> they have to offer!
>>
> I meant a ride in *your* buggy.


sf,

The same ol' line!!!

Andy

Steve Wertz, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
2006, typed out:

> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:32:41 -0500, Andy wrote:
>
>> I did find a jar of palm sugar, completing the authenticity of my Thai
>> chicken satay recipe. It's a dark brown coconut sugar (I did not know
>> this!).
>
> Palm sugar is boiled down sap from specific, sugary palm trees.
> Coconut sugar is different - though some people call them all
> "palm sugar". It's made pretty much the same way maple
> syrup/sugar is derived. You will rarely find any actually made
> from coconut palms here in the US. Which is fine since it's
> inferior to standard palm sugar. If it was made from coconuts,
> then it should be labeled that way.
>
> Since you got a jar, it must be granulated then. Most of it that
> exported comes in compressed disks that are pretty hard to work
> with. A few of the importers granulate and repackage it.
>
> -sw


Steve,

What do I know?!! I bought it from the Thai market and it's imported from
Thailand to a company in Maryland.

From which palm trees is the sap milked from that you speak of?

Andy

<snip>
>
>
> >> Had a cup of the great Amish cucumber salad and a glass of bud light
> and
> >> left.
> >
> > The Amish drink?
>
> The Reading Terminal Market is about 60 or so small restaurants and food
> retailers run by many different people. The beergarten is run by a couple
> gals from Philly.
>
> If you want more info about the market, visit:
>
> http://readingterminalmarket.org
> http://readingterminalmarket.org/map.php click on a vendor to see their
> offerings and photos.
>
> It really is a special place.
>
> All the best
>
> Andy


I have been to Reading Terminal market several times and have LOVED it. I
really love where we live now but wow.....Philadelphia is a great town for
foodies.

Now if you would just export some REAL Italian restaurants down here I'd be
happy!

helen

Helen Harrand, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 13
Aug 2006, typed out:

> I have been to Reading Terminal market several times and have LOVED
> it. I really love where we live now but wow.....Philadelphia is a
> great town for foodies.
>
> Now if you would just export some REAL Italian restaurants down here
> I'd be happy!
>
> helen


I would if I could, Helen... I would if I could.

All the best,

Andy

Andy, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug 2006,
typed out:

> Grinner, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 12 Aug
> 2006, typed out:
>
>> oh I just got the impression the Amish were serving beer is all.
>
>
> Grinner,
>
> And rightly you did. I condensed the total of my eat and drink into one
> sentence. Oops. Sorry!


Oh, I forgot an oatmeal raisin cookie! Forgive me.

Andy

Steve Wertz wrote:

>
> Since you got a jar, it must be granulated then. Most of it that
> exported comes in compressed disks that are pretty hard to work
> with. A few of the importers granulate and repackage it.
>
> -sw

The jar I usually buy "Golden Chef - Product of Thailand" contains an
almost solid mass that you need to scrape/chip. My guess is they fill
the jars with warm sugar and it hardens.

Andy wrote:

>>Here is a link for one of the Pho places:
>>
>>http://cityguide.aol.com/philadelphi...sbid=108102345
>
>
> It maps at 6th and Washington! I placed a pushpin in Delorme's Street
> Atlas.
>
>
>
>>The Mexican restaurant one block north (across from the park) of the
>>deuling cheesesteak places is really good too.
>
>
> That would be La Lupe. Pushpinned. I walked right past it today!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy

I remembered the other Pho restaurant (and shopping plaza it is in). It
is Pho 75 and is at the other Vietnamese shopping center located at 11th
& Washington. There is also a large Vietnamese market there. If you are
hunting for stuff it is good to hit both of the markets (6th & 11th
streets) because they have the same "core" stuff but different
selections of other stuff.

Steve Wertz, after taking an infinite amount of time, finally, on 13 Aug
2006, typed out:

> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:29:35 -0500, Andy wrote:
>
>> What do I know?!! I bought it from the Thai market and it's imported
>> from Thailand to a company in Maryland.
>
> The best way 5to get an answer or feedback on Usenet is to post
> incorrect information ;-) Not your fault - you're just going by
> what they told you.
>
>> From which palm trees is the sap milked from that you speak of?
>
> Sugar palms. Short but sweet article/picture he
> http://www.dipbot.unict.it/Palms/descr09.html
>
> -sw


Steve,

Thanks for the info. They're both from the sap of the respective palms
and the term palm and coconut sugar are used interchangeably, as they're
both very unprocessed sugars. The coconut sugar will do fine for now.

One tip I read was to cut the plastic jar off, place the crystallized
block in a bag and hammer it into more manageable granules.

Andy