Hello all:

We've used the small (2-burger) and medium-size (4-burger) George
Foreman grills with great results. They heat fast, they cook quickly,
they're pretty good at browning, and my younger daughter liked the
ripply grilled-cheese sandwiches they made. The downside is they're
not much fun to clean.

For Father's day the wife got me the newer style unit with removable
grids. Unfortunately I've been very dissatisfied with the performance.
It has room for six burgers. If I cook two, they brown ok but not
great. Four burgers at once barely brown at all. I cooked eight
chicken thighs on it this afternoon, and they took over half an hour to
cook completely!

If you actually have one of these grills, I'd like to know whether my
experience is unique.

Thanks -- Terry

wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> We've used the small (2-burger) and medium-size (4-burger) George
> Foreman grills with great results. They heat fast, they cook quickly,
> they're pretty good at browning, and my younger daughter liked the
> ripply grilled-cheese sandwiches they made. The downside is they're
> not much fun to clean.
>
> For Father's day the wife got me the newer style unit with removable
> grids. Unfortunately I've been very dissatisfied with the performance.
> It has room for six burgers. If I cook two, they brown ok but not
> great. Four burgers at once barely brown at all. I cooked eight
> chicken thighs on it this afternoon, and they took over half an hour to
> cook completely!
>
> If you actually have one of these grills, I'd like to know whether my
> experience is unique.
>
> Thanks -- Terry

I've not personally use any of them, but I think I have the answer to
your question - Energy density.

Because residential kitchens have 15A receptacles pretty much all
countertop consumer kitchen appliances are limited to 1,800 watts of
energy. From Ohms law P = I * E so 1,800 Watts = 15 Amps * 120 Volts.
Even in newer homes where circuits are 20A, the individual receptacles
are often still 15A units (20A receptacles have one horizontal/vertical
combination slot that looks like a sideways T) so we still have the 15A
power limitation.

The larger you make the cooking surface area the lower your energy
density will be. A two burger unit might have 64 square inches of
cooking area (two sides) so a potential for 28 Watts per square inch
energy density. A six burger model might have 192 square inches of area
so a maximum potential energy density of about 9.4 Watts per square
inch.

Of course not every unit is exactly 1,800 Watts, some are less. The key
point though is that while you may be able to heat a larger area to the
same temperature in pre-heat, you have less capacity to maintain that
temperature once cold burgers are taking heat away and hence a slower
cook and less browning.

The same thing applies to microwave ovens where they have a fixed output
power level and the more food you have in the microwave the longer it
will take to heat due to the lower energy density.

Pete C.

In article om>,
wrote:

> Hello all:
>
> We've used the small (2-burger) and medium-size (4-burger) George
> Foreman grills with great results. They heat fast, they cook quickly,
> they're pretty good at browning, and my younger daughter liked the
> ripply grilled-cheese sandwiches they made. The downside is they're
> not much fun to clean.
>
> For Father's day the wife got me the newer style unit with removable
> grids. Unfortunately I've been very dissatisfied with the performance.
> It has room for six burgers. If I cook two, they brown ok but not
> great. Four burgers at once barely brown at all. I cooked eight
> chicken thighs on it this afternoon, and they took over half an hour to
> cook completely!
>
> If you actually have one of these grills, I'd like to know whether my
> experience is unique.
>
> Thanks -- Terry

I have the Hamilton grill with the removable grids.

IMHO it's superior to the Foreman.

I bought one because I did not believe in over-paying for a name and I
don't regret it. :-)

I can cook 4 patties on it in about 10 minutes with good results.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

Pete C. wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all:
> >
> > We've used the small (2-burger) and medium-size (4-burger) George
> > Foreman grills with great results. They heat fast, they cook quickly,
> > they're pretty good at browning, and my younger daughter liked the
> > ripply grilled-cheese sandwiches they made. The downside is they're
> > not much fun to clean.
> >
> > For Father's day the wife got me the newer style unit with removable
> > grids. Unfortunately I've been very dissatisfied with the performance.
> > It has room for six burgers. If I cook two, they brown ok but not
> > great. Four burgers at once barely brown at all. I cooked eight
> > chicken thighs on it this afternoon, and they took over half an hour to
> > cook completely!
> >
> > If you actually have one of these grills, I'd like to know whether my
> > experience is unique.
> >
> > Thanks -- Terry
>
> I've not personally use any of them, but I think I have the answer to
> your question - Energy density.
>
> Because residential kitchens have 15A receptacles pretty much all
> countertop consumer kitchen appliances are limited to 1,800 watts of
> energy. From Ohms law P = I * E so 1,800 Watts = 15 Amps * 120 Volts.
> Even in newer homes where circuits are 20A, the individual receptacles
> are often still 15A units (20A receptacles have one horizontal/vertical
> combination slot that looks like a sideways T) so we still have the 15A
> power limitation.
>
> The larger you make the cooking surface area the lower your energy
> density will be. A two burger unit might have 64 square inches of
> cooking area (two sides) so a potential for 28 Watts per square inch
> energy density. A six burger model might have 192 square inches of area
> so a maximum potential energy density of about 9.4 Watts per square
> inch.
>
> Of course not every unit is exactly 1,800 Watts, some are less. The key
> point though is that while you may be able to heat a larger area to the
> same temperature in pre-heat, you have less capacity to maintain that
> temperature once cold burgers are taking heat away and hence a slower
> cook and less browning.
>
> The same thing applies to microwave ovens where they have a fixed output
> power level and the more food you have in the microwave the longer it
> will take to heat due to the lower energy density.
>
> Pete C.

Hello Pete:

Yes, I thought that might be a contributing factor....but my parents'
Extra Huge grill (also a George Foreman) worked very well indeed on the
few times I used it. I'd estimate that it had half again the surface
area of our current grill. I don't know the actual wattage of their
grill, though. Don't even know my own....

My thought was that the elements were heating through the grids, rather
than being embedded in them. Which is why I was hoping to hear from
someone else who owns one of these. Anyone? Helloooo.... [tap, tap on
glass]

Maybe I should go ahead and write the nastygram to the company......

Best -- Terry

In article .com>,
wrote:

> Hello Pete:
>
> Yes, I thought that might be a contributing factor....but my parents'
> Extra Huge grill (also a George Foreman) worked very well indeed on the
> few times I used it. I'd estimate that it had half again the surface
> area of our current grill. I don't know the actual wattage of their
> grill, though. Don't even know my own....
>
> My thought was that the elements were heating through the grids, rather
> than being embedded in them. Which is why I was hoping to hear from
> someone else who owns one of these. Anyone? Helloooo.... [tap, tap on
> glass]
>
> Maybe I should go ahead and write the nastygram to the company......
>
> Best -- Terry

Couldn't hurt.

Seriously...

It's possible your grill is defective.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> In article .com>,
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Pete:
> >
> > Yes, I thought that might be a contributing factor....but my parents'
> > Extra Huge grill (also a George Foreman) worked very well indeed on the
> > few times I used it. I'd estimate that it had half again the surface
> > area of our current grill. I don't know the actual wattage of their
> > grill, though. Don't even know my own....
> >
> > My thought was that the elements were heating through the grids, rather
> > than being embedded in them. Which is why I was hoping to hear from
> > someone else who owns one of these. Anyone? Helloooo.... [tap, tap on
> > glass]
> >
> > Maybe I should go ahead and write the nastygram to the company......
> >
> > Best -- Terry
>
> Couldn't hurt.
>
> Seriously...
>
> It's possible your grill is defective.
> --
> Peace!
> Om
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
> -- Jack Nicholson

An interesting point. Do both the top and bottom plates heat properly?
Could pretty easily have a bad connection to the element on one side.

Pete C.