Coming from a family one side of which is (southern)
Italian, I know a great deal about pasta, having consumed,
cooked, and made huge quantities of it in my younger days.
In our family pasta was always cooked "al dente" and pasta
that was even a bit beyond "al dente" was rejected. Watching
a lot of cooking shows on TV nowadays I see them cooking the
pasta "al dente" and then they dump this carefully cooked
pasta into a pan containing the sauce and proceed to expose
it to heat for another 5-10 minutes! Doesn't this turn it
into mush? Where and when did this vile technique develop?

--
Bob

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Opinicus wrote:

> Coming from a family one side of which is (southern) Italian, I
> know a great deal about pasta, having consumed, cooked, and made
> huge quantities of it in my younger days. In our family pasta was
> always cooked "al dente" and pasta that was even a bit beyond "al
> dente" was rejected. Watching a lot of cooking shows on TV nowadays
> I see them cooking the pasta "al dente" and then they dump this
> carefully cooked pasta into a pan containing the sauce and proceed
> to expose it to heat for another 5-10 minutes! Doesn't this turn it
> into mush? Where and when did this vile technique develop?

It's a commie plot.

Actually, it has some currency in Italy, but done a bit differently.
The appropriate pasta for the dish is undercooked and finished,
briefly, in the sauce. Not for anything approaching 10 minutes, though.

The premise is that the sauce will penetrate the pasta and thereby
make the whole thing more tasty. In the US, it's based on the notion
that actually tasting the pasta is not a good thing. In Italy, it's
based on the notion of cramming more flavor into each mouthful.

Pastorio

"Opinicus" > wrote:
>Doesn't this turn it
>into mush? Where and when did this vile technique develop?
>
>--
>Bob
I figure anyone who dumps pasta into sauce is an idiot to begin with.
It's supposed to be pasta, not "sauce with pasta", right?

"Bob (this one)" > wrote in message
...
> Opinicus wrote:
>
>> Coming from a family one side of which is (southern) Italian, I
>> know a great deal about pasta, having consumed, cooked, and made
>> huge quantities of it in my younger days. In our family pasta was
>> always cooked "al dente" and pasta that was even a bit beyond "al
>> dente" was rejected. Watching a lot of cooking shows on TV nowadays
>> I see them cooking the pasta "al dente" and then they dump this
>> carefully cooked pasta into a pan containing the sauce and proceed
>> to expose it to heat for another 5-10 minutes! Doesn't this turn it
>> into mush? Where and when did this vile technique develop?
>
> It's a commie plot.

No, no....it was those effete H'English poofters vacationing in Taormina
>
> Actually, it has some currency in Italy, but done a bit differently.
> The appropriate pasta for the dish is undercooked and finished, briefly,
> in the sauce. Not for anything approaching 10 minutes, though.

I suspect that the custom arose in restaurant cooking and the prep of single
servings. At home I always think of mixing the sauce with the pasta in the
family serving bowl, pottery/stoneware, etc., which even if prewarmed, cools
pretty quickly and halts the pasta breakdown. Watching restaurant chefs,
they seem oftem to reverse the process, fixing the sauce then adding the
pasta from the pot to the saute pan and mixing before plating the individual
servings

>
> The premise is that the sauce will penetrate the pasta and thereby make
> the whole thing more tasty. In the US, it's based on the notion that
> actually tasting the pasta is not a good thing. In Italy, it's based on
> the notion of cramming more flavor into each mouthful.
>
Perhaps, additionally, that sauce in Italy is a more precious commodity than
pasta, and is expected to go farther. Brought up on US "servings", I can
remember my first evening in Italy, waiting for the ship in Livorno, 1962.
The flight from Naples had gotten me there in time to dump my gear and lunch
on red mullet grilled over grapevine and herbs (and I suppose the first
Italian white wine I had ever drunk - I wish I could remember which, but all
I recall was that it came in a carafe from a barrel and how good it tasted
and how well I napped afterwards). I had a late supper on the waterfront
and their was a lot of pasta to a little clam sauce (but I was smart enough
to pass on the cheese, so the waiter wouldn't think I was a complete gringo
dumbass).

TMO

Opinicus wrote:

> Coming from a family one side of which is (southern) Italian, I know a
> great deal about pasta, having consumed,
> cooked, and made huge quantities of it in my younger days. In our family
> pasta was always cooked "al dente" and pasta
> that was even a bit beyond "al dente" was rejected. Watching a lot of
> cooking shows on TV nowadays I see them cooking the pasta "al dente" and
> then they dump this carefully cooked pasta into a pan containing the
> sauce and proceed to expose
> it to heat for another 5-10 minutes! Doesn't this turn it into mush?
> Where and when did this vile technique develop?
>

Goodness only knows! If mine is to be cooked into a dish (such as a
tuna pasta bake), I simply soak it in hot water for 10-15 minuets while
I cook the sauce, then assemble the dish and then cook it. The pasta
usually comes out just fine that way. I don't even bother soaking lasagna.

--
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The normal thing to do in an Italian home (rather than a restaurant,
about which I don't know) is to have the sauce ready in a pan when the
pasta is cooked. Drain the pasta very quickly (so that quite a lot of
the water still clings to it) and put it straight into the pan where
the sauce was prepared. Stir, so that they mingle, and serve
immediately.

Lazarus

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The normal thing to do in an Italian home (rather than a restaurant,
about which I don't know) is to have the sauce ready in a pan when the
pasta is cooked. Drain the pasta very quickly (so that quite a lot of
the water still clings to it) and put it straight into the pan where
the sauce was prepared. Stir, so that they mingle, and serve
immediately.

Lazarus

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Lazarus Cooke wrote:
> The normal thing to do in an Italian home (rather than a restaurant,
> about which I don't know) is to have the sauce ready in a pan when the
> pasta is cooked. Drain the pasta very quickly (so that quite a lot of
> the water still clings to it) and put it straight into the pan where
> the sauce was prepared. Stir, so that they mingle, and serve
> immediately.
>
> Lazarus
>

This is what I do with non-bake pasta. Fresh pasta takes seconds to cook.

--
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Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:23:29 +0200, "Opinicus" >
wrote:

>it to heat for another 5-10 minutes! Doesn't this turn it
>into mush? Where and when did this vile technique develop?

In Norway :-)
You even buy it that way as conserves :-)