Olivers wrote:
>
> Jenn Ridley extrapolated from data available...
>
> > "Charles Gifford" > wrote:
> >>"Arri London" > wrote in message
> >>> I haven't met anyone here who resents being called 'Anglo' yet. It's
> >>> understood to mean 'white' nowadays, so what's to resent if one is
> >>> white?
> >>
> >>Hi! Let me introduce myself. I'm Charlie and I certainly would resent
> >>being called Anglo. If it is understood by some people to mean white,
> >>that is a sad commentary on their education.
> >
> > You just don't get it, do you?
> >
> > He's talking about a specific *regional* use of a word, and you're
> > getting all bent out of shape by it.
> >
> > In the area where Anglo is used in this fashion, it's an acceptable
> > use of the word.
> >
> > It doesn't matter if it's acceptable to you, since you don't live
> > there.
>
> ....as compared to being called gringo, Anglo is certainly the preferred
> form. Back in the "old days" (and still) in Mexico, ethnic/skin color/etc.
> prejudices led to the widespread use of such terms as gachupine, criollo,
> mestizo, and indio, all descriptive of racial admixture or lack of it.
>
> TMO

There's still some of that round here. And I imagine if I understood
more Vietnamese, I'd hear another version still.

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Olivers wrote:
> >
> > Jenn Ridley extrapolated from data available...
> >
> > > "Charles Gifford" > wrote:
> > >>"Arri London" > wrote in message
> > >>> I haven't met anyone here who resents being called 'Anglo' yet. It's
> > >>> understood to mean 'white' nowadays, so what's to resent if one is
> > >>> white?
> > >>
> > >>Hi! Let me introduce myself. I'm Charlie and I certainly would resent
> > >>being called Anglo. If it is understood by some people to mean white,
> > >>that is a sad commentary on their education.
> > >
> > > You just don't get it, do you?
> > >
> > > He's talking about a specific *regional* use of a word, and you're
> > > getting all bent out of shape by it.
> > >
> > > In the area where Anglo is used in this fashion, it's an acceptable
> > > use of the word.
> > >
> > > It doesn't matter if it's acceptable to you, since you don't live
> > > there.
> >
> > ....as compared to being called gringo, Anglo is certainly the preferred
> > form. Back in the "old days" (and still) in Mexico, ethnic/skin
color/etc.
> > prejudices led to the widespread use of such terms as gachupine,
criollo,
> > mestizo, and indio, all descriptive of racial admixture or lack of it.
> >
> > TMO
>
> There's still some of that round here. And I imagine if I understood
> more Vietnamese, I'd hear another version still.

Hee, hee! I've heard lots of "Mick" and Paddy" and all the jokes. Oh, and
don't call me a Yankee! My next door neighbors are Vietnamese, uh-oh!
Another version!

Charlie

Charles Gifford extrapolated from data available...


>
> Hee, hee! I've heard lots of "Mick" and Paddy" and all the jokes. Oh,
> and don't call me a Yankee! My next door neighbors are Vietnamese,
> uh-oh! Another version!
>

The use of "Anglo" by Mexicans and Mexican Americans to refer to any one
not Hispanic, AfricanAmerican or Oriental is pretty general around her.
EVen "Anglos" do it.

As for the gradients of Mexican ethnicity...

Gachupine (or puro) - born in Mexico of pure Spanish blood, claimed by
many, far more than really are.

Criollo - Mexican with a minimal admixture of Indian blood (although seen
in Vera Cruz, Tampico to describe individuals with African ancestry but
Hispanic surnames).

Mestizo - Mostly native American

Indio - all NA

In some areas, Mexicans remain very sensitive to issues of skin color and
ancestry.

In the US, there's a lot of internal discrimination by Mexican Americans
based upon how long a family has lived in the States.

TMO

In parts of Mexico, the gradients

"Olivers" > wrote in message
...
>
> As for the gradients of Mexican ethnicity...

Thank you for the information! It is very interesting.

Charlie

Olivers wrote:
>
> Gachupine (or puro) - born in Mexico of pure Spanish blood, claimed by
> many, far more than really are.
>
> Criollo - Mexican with a minimal admixture of Indian blood (although seen
> in Vera Cruz, Tampico to describe individuals with African ancestry but
> Hispanic surnames).
>
> Mestizo - Mostly native American
>
> Indio - all NA
>

I have never heard the term, "Gachupine." Historically, "Criollo" meant
the person was born in the New World but had pure European (Spanish)
blood, "Mestizo" meant mixed, and "Indio" meant native indian. People
seem to have expanded the usages today. In white New Orleans, Creoles
are the old French/Spanish families. In black New Orleans, those folks
whose roots are from the 19th century quadroon balls call themselves
"Creoles." They are handsome people, easily distinquished as "creoles"
from their looks. Ex-mayor Dutch Morial and his son, ex-mayor Mark
Morial, are from that background. They are very proud of their heritage
and usually marry other Creoles.

The term, "anglo," was used by the Texas Welfare Dept almost 40 years
ago when I worked there to refer to white people. You were "Anglo
Saxon" whether your ancestors were Picts, Normans, Huns, or Jutes. It
didn't have any bad connotation . . . it just meant "white."

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