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Y dont anyone post mexican food anymore???
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my best guess all we get is recipes for mexican food,
food attachments rot very quickly! ;-) bye frank http://tvc15.blogs.com/ |
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![]() huck wrote: > Y dont anyone post mexican food anymore??? We're still discussing Mexican food, but we have found our way out of the Norteño Taco Hell and moved south to Oaxaca and Yucatan... |
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![]() "huck" > wrote in message ... > Y dont anyone post mexican food anymore??? > > Please define Mexican Food... we have yet to find an agreement on this question in the forum. I'd say that anything south of the Tropic of Cancer can be called Mexican Food, and anything anywhere else might be called whatever you like. Chihuahua Northern, Tex-Mex, Cal-Mex, New Mexico-Mex, Monterrey-Mex.... Give it a shot. See if you can bag the prize. Wayne |
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![]() Wayne Lundberg wrote: > Give it a shot. See if you can bag the prize. > > Wayne As most of the African-Americans who previously inhabated the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans, inside of the levies along the Ponchartrain, now reside in Houston, a large contengency of Hispanics (mostly Mexican and Mexican-American) have moved to New Orleans. They arrived to work in the construction and demolition industries. Now, New Orleans is finding that there is a new breed of resident. As they grow in numbers there, there will be combos of cultures and there will evolve La-Mex as a type of cooking. Gumbo made with cabrito... jambala wrapped in tortillas and simmered in a chile sauce. Maybe gumbo will be considered Mexican food some day. Maybe posters should figure (decide) if this n.g. is about a culture, or food. Is it about food in Mexico (or Mexican food)? Like the U.S., every style and type of food is made and eaten in Mexico. I ate at a pizza joint on the Malecon in Puerto Vallarta in 1973... not only that, it was not a chain. Mexico is so varied in its ethnic make-up that sooner or later we have to accept that this is more of a study of various cultures than a country or a type of food. Jack |
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![]() "Jack Tyler" > wrote in message ups.com... > > Wayne Lundberg wrote: > > Give it a shot. See if you can bag the prize. > > > > Wayne > > As most of the African-Americans who previously inhabated the Lower > Ninth Ward of New Orleans, inside of the levies along the Ponchartrain, > now reside in Houston, a large contengency of Hispanics (mostly Mexican > and Mexican-American) have moved to New Orleans. They arrived to work > in the construction and demolition industries. Now, New Orleans is > finding that there is a new breed of resident. As they grow in numbers > there, there will be combos of cultures and there will evolve La-Mex as > a type of cooking. Gumbo made with cabrito... jambala wrapped in > tortillas and simmered in a chile sauce. Maybe gumbo will be > considered Mexican food some day. > > Maybe posters should figure (decide) if this n.g. is about a culture, > or food. Is it about food in Mexico (or Mexican food)? Like the U.S., > every style and type of food is made and eaten in Mexico. I ate at a > pizza joint on the Malecon in Puerto Vallarta in 1973... not only that, > it was not a chain. > > Mexico is so varied in its ethnic make-up that sooner or later we have > to accept that this is more of a study of various cultures than a > country or a type of food. > > Jack Your note is inspiring me to get to New Orleans sometime soon. My mouth watered at the thought of blending some of those wonderful Cajun delights with Mexican stuff! I'm getting the feeling that this forum is not so much interested in the once endelss debate about 'authentic' this or that, as it is in exploring the ever-changing dynamics and recipes of the mixing of many cultures and many customs. I think we are living in a grand time of experimenting, developing and exploring food combinations and eating habits. I love it! Are you home writing up your adventure by now? Or still on the road? Wayne > |
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![]() Jack Tyler wrote: > Mexico is so varied in its ethnic make-up that sooner or later we have > to accept that this is more of a study of various cultures than a > country or a type of food. Yes, and I would rather sample the best of many cultures than immerse myself in any single culture, that limits my culinary adventuring spirit too much. |
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![]() Wayne Lundberg wrote: > Are you home writing up your adventure by now? Or still on the road? > > Wayne If you are asking me that question, I have been home since before Christmas and probably won't get back into Mexico until late February. After reading my last post and seeing the typos (spelling errors), I am afraid to write anything. Jack |
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![]() The Galloping Gourmand wrote: > Jack Tyler wrote: > > > Mexico is so varied in its ethnic make-up that sooner or later we have > > to accept that this is more of a study of various cultures than a > > country or a type of food. > > Yes, and I would rather sample the best of many cultures than immerse > myself > in any single culture, that limits my culinary adventuring spirit too > much. When I was in Mazatlan last month, I was amazed at the heavy German immigrant history there. Buildings from the middle 1800's have German names on them. Last steamer stop before San Francisco during the gold rush and there was/is a lot of gold mining activity in the area, so a lot of the Germans headed to get rich in California just got off of the boat and got with it right there in Mexico. There are statues around of prominent German politicians and philanthropists everywhere. Even the music is different from the standard mariachi's you see so much of around Mexico. The typical music there is called "banda" and includes big brass sections.... much faster... livelier. More oom pah pah. I didn't run across any food there that seemed to have a German influence, but I bet if I looked for it... it is there. |
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![]() Wayne Lundberg wrote: > Your note is inspiring me to get to New Orleans sometime soon. My mouth > watered at the thought of blending some of those wonderful Cajun delights > with Mexican stuff! > Wayne > You would have enjoyed dinner at my house last night, then. I have an old cast iron gumbo pot and use it frequently. Last night we had chicken and andouille sausage gumbo... nice dark roux... lots of okra, chicken thighs and greasy cajun sausage. I should have served it with tortillas.... but it was just white rice, chopped green onions and garlic French bread. Jack |
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![]() "Jack Tyler" > wrote in message ps.com... > > Wayne Lundberg wrote: > > Your note is inspiring me to get to New . ----snip----- bo... nice dark roux... lots of okra, > chicken thighs and greasy cajun sausage. I should have served it with > tortillas.... but it was just white rice, chopped green onions and > garlic French bread. > > Jack > I could enjoy a high murderous cholesterol tasty food orgy once in a while! We only live once... that I know of. Wayne |
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![]() "Jack Tyler" > wrote in message ps.com... > >.---snip----- > the music is different from the standard mariachi's you see so much of > around Mexico. The typical music there is called "banda" and includes > big brass sections.... much faster... livelier. More oom pah pah. I > didn't run across any food there that seemed to have a German > influence, but I bet if I looked for it... it is there. > My mentor was an Early Bird of Aviation, a group founded by people who flew before WWI like Beech, the Wright Brothers, Ely, etc. He took over a small airliner in Mexico called LAMSA, Lineas Aereas Mineras S.A. which had been started by flying to Toyotita, a mine some 15 days from Mazatlan by burro, and only an hour away by Ford Trimotors. He stayed at a hotel that had been converted from shipping warehouse to hotel and rat control were live boa constrictors that roamed freely throughout the hotel. There is a lot of history in Mazatlan. Plus the recurring theme that China traded with Amerindians centuries before the Spanish conquest at a place called Aztlan, which some people think is ancient Mazatlan. Could be. Wayne |
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![]() "Jack Tyler" > wrote in message ps.com... > > Wayne Lundberg wrote: > > Your note is inspiring me to get to New Orleans sometime soon. My mouth > > watered at the thought of blending some of those wonderful Cajun delights > > with Mexican stuff! > > > Wayne > > > You would have enjoyed dinner at my house last night, then. I have an > old cast iron gumbo pot and use it frequently. Last night we had > chicken and andouille sausage gumbo... nice dark roux... lots of okra, > chicken thighs and greasy cajun sausage. I should have served it with > tortillas.... but it was just white rice, chopped green onions and > garlic French bread. > > Jack Your note triggered off a memory of not long ago, the last time I made a pork stew with a gravy that is made exactly as a nice dark roux... And white rice is just right. Don't remember where I got the basics, but I've been making a variation of it many times over the years. Wayne > |
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> huck wrote: >> Y dont anyone post mexican food anymore??? > > We're still discussing Mexican food, but we have found our way out of > the Norteño Taco Hell and moved south to Oaxaca and Yucatan... > Sounds a little Bigoted... nothing wrong with border food, to each his own. |
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> "huck" > wrote in message > ... >> Y dont anyone post mexican food anymore??? >> >> > Please define Mexican Food... we have yet to find an agreement on this > question in the forum. I'd say that anything south of the Tropic of Cancer > can be called Mexican Food, and anything anywhere else might be called > whatever you like. Chihuahua Northern, Tex-Mex, Cal-Mex, New Mexico-Mex, > Monterrey-Mex.... > > Give it a shot. See if you can bag the prize. > > Wayne > > How come there is no name for American Food? Yes I mean US American for you anal retentive types. We have Mexican, Indian, German, Italian etc. that are considered specific genres of cuisine. The Anglo Countries sort of get slighted... I don't see to many headings in the restaurant pages for Canandian food, American (US) food, or English food. If I were in Asia and saw a sign for American food I would hope to find traditional meat and potato dishes, cheese burgers, fried chicken etc. There is Kentucky fried chicken, NY style Pizza, Texas BBQ, New England Clam Chowder, etc. Would we consider regional American food un-American because it was not created in the original 13 colonies? Why must we argue over what is "real Mexican" food? The borders of Mexico extended beyond both sides of the Tropic of Cancer way before any of us and our parents were born, so drawing a line in the sand seems to me, childish. |
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![]() "Sonoran Dude" > wrote in message ... > The Galloping Gourmand wrote: >> huck wrote: >>> Y dont anyone post mexican food anymore??? >> >> We're still discussing Mexican food, but we have found our way out of >> the Norteño Taco Hell and moved south to Oaxaca and Yucatan... >> > > Sounds a little Bigoted... nothing wrong with border food, to each his > own. A little is an understatement, Dude. There are more than a few who do not believe in this misperceived elitist rhetoric, nor is there any logic or reason to limit Mexican foods to the Tropic of Cancer and below either. Perhaps it is some sense of snobbish quantification, yet the "Mexican" foods they limitedly discuss all involved a post conquest Spanish Influence, go figure. Old Mexican, New Mexican, Nuevo Latino, it is all good, those that want to continue to classify Tacos & Tamales as Peasant food not worthy of discussion, or Fajitas and Chimichunga as an American abomination, well?? just remember they are not cooks they are pretentious grommets. Pretty stupid ass gringo thinking for someone to reclassify someone who was born, raised and lived as a Mexican based on where s/he lived in the Republic Mexico is it not? Or even in the SW US where they have lived since before them white boy pilgrims came along. You know the saying, You White, You Right. |
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![]() Gunner wrote: Pretty stupid ass gringo thinking for > someone to reclassify someone who was born, raised and lived as a Mexican > based on where s/he lived in the Republic Mexico is it not? Or even in the > SW US where they have lived since before them white boy pilgrims came along. > You know the saying, You White, You Right. We sometimes forget that one Hell of a lot of the SW U.S. was Mexico until the early 1800's. Texas was Mexico until it became an independent Republic from 1836 to 1845 (when Texas admitted the U.S. to the Union). It can be truly said that, except for a politically-contrived line on a map... Texas cooking IS Mexican cooking. Northern California became a colony of China during the gold rush... but southern California is just a part of Mexico without Gringos (there are far more Gringos in Mexico than California). Arizona and New Mexico are mostly native-American with a limited Mexican influence (less than they want to admit). The lust for gold was beaten out by the travel time and lack of desire to keep going northward, as the Spanish headed north converting and enslaving "Indians" in the 1500's. Much of Arizona and a lot of New Mexico were spared and the foods are different. Basically, it's all Mexican food, though. Jack |
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![]() Sonoran Dude wrote: > The Galloping Gourmand wrote: > > We're still discussing Mexican food, but we have found our way out of > > the Norteño Taco Hell and moved south to Oaxaca and Yucatan... > > > > Sounds a little Bigoted... nothing wrong with border food, to each his own. Do you even know the origins of the term "bigot", as opposed to the radical liberal redefinition that came about in the last century? Yes, everybody has seen that now classic satire on American conservatives. The Archie Bunker character in "All In The Family" was supposed to depict the middle-aged White male as a bigot, in order to critique the attitudes of the working class in the 1970's. Now Hank Hill is doing the same thing, as did Homer Simpson. But the cartoonists made Homer yellow, so as not to draw too much attention to his ethnicity as he interacts with recent immigrants. But, back to the two main stories about the origins of the term "bigot". The first one says that there was a little village in France that was called "Bigot". And the people who lived in Bigot did not want to become Roman Catholics when the first priests arrived. But the church forced the liturgy of their Roman faith upon the stubborn people of Bigot, and anybody who unreasonably clings to their older ways is called a "bigot". The other story is that the Norsemen came a-viking, i.e., raiding, in that area of France which is now known as "Normandy". The French king knew that he couldn't beat the Vikings, so he paid them to leave by giving them a chest filled with gold and jewels. This practice of paying off the Vikings wasn't limited to France, it also took place across the sea in England, where the Anglo Saxons kings paid the Vikings "Dane Geld" or "Dane Gold". Well, the Vikings found the French king to be much too easy going, he wouldn't fight, he'd rather pay. So they came back to rape on burn and loot and pillage. So the French king decided that he would be better off if he made a military alliance with the Norse. He gave them land and titles, and all he wanted in return was loyalty. The French king asked to Viking prince to swear an oath of allegience to him, and he wanted one more little thing. He wanted the Viking prince to get down and kiss his dainty, slippered foot. And the Viking is reported to have shouted, "By God (Bi Got), I will not!" But nowadays, we have radical liberals throwing the "bigot"term around very loosely, applying it to anybody who disagrees with their own idea of what is "politically correct" at the moment. Back to Mexican food. I personally *love* tamales, and I dig enchiladas. My mother was probably the first person of German Jewish/Danish descent in our little town that ever held a taquiza. The Americans didn't like her tacos that came out of a cardboard box with the Kraft label. I never cared for greasy tacos in brittle shells that much, and despise soft tacos, but that's my *personal taste*. I'm not telling anybody else they shouldn't like tacos. But there are like seventy different ways to make antojitos that I know of, and Americans are so accustomed to seeing antojitos served as if they were main dishes, they've come to think of a "combination plate" of a tamale and two enchiladas with rice and beans and a little salad as a traditional "plato" instead of a "platillo". All those antojitos are just botanas, they are snacks, like hors d'oeuvres, I don't plan to make a *meal* out of antojitos. But, if you want to post a recipe about the 71st way to make an antojito, go for it. It will have to be very novel and previously unknown for it to fire my imagination... |
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![]() "The Galloping Gourmand" > wrote in message oups.com... Sonoran Dude wrote: > The Galloping Gourmand wrote: ---snip for brevity--- All those antojitos are just botanas, they are snacks, like hors d'oeuvres, I don't plan to make a *meal* out of antojitos. But, if you want to post a recipe about the 71st way to make an antojito, go for it. It will have to be very novel and previously unknown for it to fire my imagination... ------- I'm sure you can count 70 antojitos, or botanas... but if you count a chicken taco, a fish taco, a carnitas taco and so on as one, two and three... then I wonder. If you were to group these bocadillos into a kind of Pareto analysis I think you will find only a few basic ingredients but cooked and served in the 70 ways you mention. Like a quesadilla can be closed, open, can be with flor de calabaza or with cheese. A sope, picadito and chalupa are basically the same thing; made with maza, a base and a topping of some kind of salsa, with or without cheese, lettuce, cilantro and the like. A tamal is nothing more than maza prepared with a bit of baking soda and the same meats and salsas used in tacos. If we count the number of different fillings and ingredients used in making these delights, I'm sure the count would go over a thousand if we used every regional favorite tidbit from Playas to Cancun, Vialla Hermosa to Tampico, Acapulco through the DF, Puebla and into Veracruz. I'd love to see your list of 70... just for fun. And do pick on you a bit since you are one of the more interesting characters (read: people) in this forum. (;-) |
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![]() Wayne Lundberg wrote: > I'd love to see your list of 70... just for fun. My machine crashed this morning, and my unsaved list was sent to the graveyard of bits and bytes. But this site has a long list of antojitos, and the site owner does include various ways to prepare tacos as separate items, which they actually are. He could do the same thing with tamales or tortas or enchiladas to easily expand the number of possibilities to 70. We are seeing the same basic ingredients of greasy toasted corn and inexpensive meats arranged in slightly different ways, and the naive consumer of Mexican food is baffled by the apparent multitude of possibilities when he tries to decipher the menu on the wall. http://www.lomexicano.com/mexicanfoodrecipeglossary.htm |
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![]() "The Galloping Gourmand" > wrote in message oups.com... Sonoran Dude wrote: > The Galloping Gourmand wrote: > > We're still discussing Mexican food, but we have found our way out of > > the Norteño Taco Hell and moved south to Oaxaca and Yucatan... > > > > Sounds a little Bigoted... nothing wrong with border food, to each his > own. Do you even know the origins of the term "bigot", as opposed to the radical liberal redefinition that came about in the last century? Yes, everybody has seen that now classic satire on American conservatives. The Archie Bunker character in "All In The Family" was supposed to depict the middle-aged White male as a bigot, in order to critique the attitudes of the working class in the 1970's. Now Hank Hill is doing the same thing, as did Homer Simpson. But the cartoonists made Homer yellow, so as not to draw too much attention to his ethnicity as he interacts with recent immigrants. But, back to the two main stories about the origins of the term "bigot". The first one says that there was a little village in France that was called "Bigot". And the people who lived in Bigot did not want to become Roman Catholics when the first priests arrived. But the church forced the liturgy of their Roman faith upon the stubborn people of Bigot, and anybody who unreasonably clings to their older ways is called a "bigot". The other story is that the Norsemen came a-viking, i.e., raiding, in that area of France which is now known as "Normandy". The French king knew that he couldn't beat the Vikings, so he paid them to leave by giving them a chest filled with gold and jewels. This practice of paying off the Vikings wasn't limited to France, it also took place across the sea in England, where the Anglo Saxons kings paid the Vikings "Dane Geld" or "Dane Gold". Well, the Vikings found the French king to be much too easy going, he wouldn't fight, he'd rather pay. So they came back to rape on burn and loot and pillage. So the French king decided that he would be better off if he made a military alliance with the Norse. He gave them land and titles, and all he wanted in return was loyalty. The French king asked to Viking prince to swear an oath of allegience to him, and he wanted one more little thing. He wanted the Viking prince to get down and kiss his dainty, slippered foot. And the Viking is reported to have shouted, "By God (Bi Got), I will not!" But nowadays, we have radical liberals throwing the "bigot"term around very loosely, applying it to anybody who disagrees with their own idea of what is "politically correct" at the moment. Semantics are argued all the time by bigots just as Hitler did. But this is a BIGOT: Head Bustin' Hank Posts: n/a Hispanics beat reporter over fake ID -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ramon F Herrera wrote: > I know several. They were all invited to cross the border by some > people who are as owners of this land as you and me. Bullshit. Nobody invited illegal aliens to come here and this is NOT your land, it's our land. Your land is Venezuela and you abandoned your own national struggle to come here and steal opportunities from Real Americans and take up their living space. > And since you are > so worried about the legality issue, you are definitely coming to the > newsgroups and vigorously defend the undocumented ones as soon as they > become documented, right? After all, your only concern is their > legality, not the color of their skin. We wouldn't give a shit if they were purple with green stripes, had one eye and a horn growing out of their head, they are still aliens who cannot be assimilated into our culture, no matter what false oath they mouth in order to get on the welfare rolls. > > Even if the 12 million undocumented folks (6 million latinos) magically > disappeared overnight, how are you planning to keep your "Cultural > Supremacy"? - there are still 36 million latinos who are as American as > you and me. There's no way in hell that you and your beloved Latrinos will ever be Real Americans like me. My ancestors fought and bled and died for this country. What have Latrinos ever done for their countries, besides emigrate as fast as possible? Some ethnic cleansing is definitely indicated. Post your address and I'll be right over to ethnically cleanse the space you're unlawfully occupying." So Is this a sane and rational person? |
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![]() "Jack Tyler" > wrote in message oups.com... >> Basically, it's all Mexican food, though. > > Jack I just had my 94 yo MIL visit for nearly 2 1/2 months, so between that and this NG I have had more than enough "back in the day" and the "my Momma" stories to last a lifetime, so I say lets call it criollo and get to posting recipes, techniques and news. Dr Harris leaves out the Phillipino aspect of Criollo but a lot of what she says in her book has been my approach to food studies over the years. Inclusion rather than exclusion Here is an excerpt from her Book Beyond Gumbo Creole Fusion Food from the Atlantic Rim for those that want to read about it. http://www.simonsays.com/content/boo...=411311&agid=2 I go to the Foodnetwork to watch and learn food issues. When I want history lessons, I go to the History Channel. I came here to read about Mexican Cooking because those are the operative words but so far this NG is brow beaten by the few who are long on personal philosophy, prejudices and Myths very, very short on cooking. Personally I think they would be better served in the Mutual Admiration Society and the Right wing Bigots-R-US Newsgroups. Back to cooking. Criollo cooking links: http://www.ciaprochef.com/WOF2005/criollo.html http://www.ciaprochef.com/WOF2005/ca...n-history.html http://www.perucooking.com/chefenrique.html Had to throw this R. Bayless/CIA video in on making Mole Negro http://www.ciaprochef.com/WOF2005/mole.html Food topic for the day: Tonight's dinner is a variation of Reed Hearon's Spicy Quail with Green Chorizo. Quail is hard to raise, much less harvest here so I will be using 2- 22oz. spatchcocked and brined Game hens w/ a Blood Orange Chile sauce and plated with two medallions of homemade sausages, one a Green (pipian or pumpkin seed) Chorizo,and the other a Chipolte Chorizo. A Yam, Yuca and Coconut Fritter will be served as the starch with a side of Grilled Radicchio with melted Cotija cheese topped with a chimichurri sauce and refried Drunken Beans. My market was out of any good Chilean wines and do not want to drive across town in all this weather mess so it will be a chilled local Chateau Ste Michelle Chardonnay. |
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![]() "The Galloping Gourmand" > wrote in message oups.com... > > Wayne Lundberg wrote: > >> I'd love to see your list of 70... just for fun. > > My machine crashed this morning, and my unsaved list was sent to the > graveyard of bits and bytes. > > But this site has a long list of antojitos, and the site owner does > include various ways to prepare tacos as separate items, which they > actually are. He could do the same thing with tamales or tortas or > enchiladas to easily expand the number of possibilities to 70. > > We are seeing the same basic ingredients of greasy toasted corn and > inexpensive meats arranged in slightly different ways, and the naive > consumer of Mexican food is baffled by the apparent multitude of > possibilities when he tries to decipher the menu on the wall. > > http://www.lomexicano.com/mexicanfoodrecipeglossary.htm How very convenient. |
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![]() "The Galloping Gourmand" > wrote in message oups.com... > > Wayne Lundberg wrote: > > > I'd love to see your list of 70... just for fun. > > My machine crashed this morning, and my unsaved list was sent to the > graveyard of bits and bytes. > > But this site has a long list of antojitos, and the site owner does > include various ways to prepare tacos as separate items, which they > actually are. He could do the same thing with tamales or tortas or > enchiladas to easily expand the number of possibilities to 70. > > We are seeing the same basic ingredients of greasy toasted corn and > inexpensive meats arranged in slightly different ways, and the naive > consumer of Mexican food is baffled by the apparent multitude of > possibilities when he tries to decipher the menu on the wall. > > http://www.lomexicano.com/mexicanfoodrecipeglossary.htm You mentioned before that you could not imagine a full meal with just antojitos. But that's not the point. Antojitos are eaten normally two times a day in between meals. The traditional breakfast of huevos rancheros, then midmorning some tacos, then at noon or a bit later the three course meal and siesta, then in the afternoon a tamale, or a chalupa from a street vendor on your way back home or.... and the nightcap will be a light bread or another antojito. As I keep repeating myself in this forum, and others, Mexican food is not a meal. It is a culture. It is a sequence of events where some foods are allowed to age a few days to icrease flavor and to save on cooking heat and to make the eating pleasure fit with the normal activities that keep a family on time and on schedule for the whole food thing. Remember, we Mexicans live only for the pleasure of eating. You gringos eat in order to live and keep punching the clock at the factory for a paycheck. It's a different world. Wayne > |
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