The Cook wrote:
> Last weekend my kids came for a visit and the family reunion. My DIL
> brought a box of jars which I did not look at until today. Eleven
> regular Ball quart jars for $.95. She also returned all of the empty
> jars from their past hauls. Of course they took a couple of boxes of
> food home with them. Getting them trained.

My kids understand that if they want more good stuff they have to bring
the jars and rings back. Otherwise, nada. Have trained several friends
the same way. Shucks, some of them bring me other peoples jars that they
got goodies in.

We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who insists
on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar and jellie and jams covered
with wax. State inspector stopped by her booth today and shut her down.
Gave her the regs to go by and insisted she leave the Market
immediately. Can't say she wasn't warned, many of us sell home canned
goodies and had told her what the rules were, including proper labelling
as to contents. Some people just don't want to learn or listen.

George

Last weekend my kids came for a visit and the family reunion. My DIL
brought a box of jars which I did not look at until today. Eleven
regular Ball quart jars for $.95. She also returned all of the empty
jars from their past hauls. Of course they took a couple of boxes of
food home with them. Getting them trained.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

George Shirley wrote:

> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who insists
> on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar

? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked in
a jar!

Dave

Dave Bell wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>
>> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who
>> insists on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar
>
>
> ? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked in
> a jar!
>
> Dave
Nope, cake baked in a jar. Probably wouldn't kill you if you did it and
then ate the cake but you don't know when she baked the cake in a jar.
The young lady was fairly typical of some folks, "my grandma did it and
it didn't kill any of us so why can't I do it." I think the state
inspector showed her what it could mean to her financially at any rate.
Pretty sure the group that hosts the market called him in. My question
to them was why did they let her peddle the stuff to start with if they
knew it was illegal. Got no answer to that one.

George

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:46:40 -0700, Dave Bell
> wrote:

>George Shirley wrote:
>
>> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who insists
>> on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar
>
>? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked in
>a jar!
>
>Dave

I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
has never been approved in the US.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

The Cook wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:46:40 -0700, Dave Bell
> > wrote:
>
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who insists
>>> on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar
>> ? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked in
>> a jar!
>>
>> Dave
>
> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
> has never been approved in the US.

Apparently! I certainly never heard of it. I can't see any harm in it,
other than George's comment about how long it had been sitting around.
I guess you just eat it with a spoon?

George Shirley wrote:
> Dave Bell wrote:
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who
>>> insists on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar
>>
>>
>> ? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked
>> in a jar!
>>
>> Dave
> Nope, cake baked in a jar. Probably wouldn't kill you if you did it and
> then ate the cake but you don't know when she baked the cake in a jar.
> The young lady was fairly typical of some folks, "my grandma did it and
> it didn't kill any of us so why can't I do it."

Yeah, I use that argument, myself. Mom always set the leftover turkey in
the garage, covered with foil, and this was in California, only 50
miles north of San Francisco. NEVER did we get sick from it...
However, for sale, even in a Farmers' Market, there are good reasons to
stick to the process.

Dave

Dave Bell wrote:
> The Cook wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:46:40 -0700, Dave Bell
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> George Shirley wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who
>>>> insists on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar
>>> ? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked
>>> in a jar!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>> has never been approved in the US.
>
> Apparently! I certainly never heard of it. I can't see any harm in it,
> other than George's comment about how long it had been sitting around.
> I guess you just eat it with a spoon?

What will they think of next? I see the idea, using wide mouth jars
with no neck at all. And the idea of keeping them on the shelf for up to
a year. That would bother me, too.

http://www.realfood4realpeople.com/jars.html
http://dmoz.org/Home/Cooking/Gifts_in_a_Jar/

Dave

The Cook wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:46:40 -0700, Dave Bell
> > wrote:
>
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> We're having a problem at the Farmer's Market with a person who insists
>>> on trying to sell cakes and bread in a jar
>> ? Were these the kind of gift jar mixes? I was imagining cake, baked in
>> a jar!
>>
>> Dave
>
> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
> has never been approved in the US.

Approved or not:
http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
Camino, CA 95709-9703

Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!

Dave

Dave Bell wrote:
> The Cook wrote:

>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>> has never been approved in the US.
>
> Approved or not:
> http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
> Camino, CA 95709-9703
>
> Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!

It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available to
the home cook.

B/, one day older than Barb

Brian Mailman wrote:
> Dave Bell wrote:
>
>> The Cook wrote:
>
>
>>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>> has never been approved in the US.
>>
>>
>> Approved or not:
>> http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>> Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>
>> Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>
>
> It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available to
> the home cook.
>
> B/, one day older than Barb

Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's 29th
birthday. <BSEG>

George

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:32:58 -0700, Brian Mailman
> wrote:

>Dave Bell wrote:
>> The Cook wrote:
>
>>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>> has never been approved in the US.
>>
>> Approved or not:
>> http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>> Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>
>> Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>
>It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available to
>the home cook.
>
>B/, one day older than Barb
Happy birthday.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

George Shirley wrote:
> Brian Mailman wrote:
>> Dave Bell wrote:
>>
>>> The Cook wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>>> has never been approved in the US.
>>>
>>>
>>> Approved or not:
>>> http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>>> Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>>
>>> Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>>
>>
>> It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available to
>> the home cook.
>>
>> B/, one day older than Barb
>
> Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's 29th
> birthday. <BSEG>

Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my 20th
anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.

B/

Brian Mailman wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>
>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>>>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>>>> has never been approved in the US.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Approved or not:
>>>> http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>>>> Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>>>
>>>> Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available to
>>> the home cook.
>>>
>>> B/, one day older than Barb
>>
>>
>> Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's 29th
>> birthday. <BSEG>
>
>
> Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my 20th
> anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>
> B/
Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember being
18 yo, but very vaguely.

George

George Shirley wrote:
> Brian Mailman wrote:
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>>>>> were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>>>>> has never been approved in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Approved or not:
>>>>> http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>>>>> Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available
>>>> to the home cook.
>>>>
>>>> B/, one day older than Barb
>>>
>>>
>>> Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's
>>> 29th birthday. <BSEG>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my
>> 20th anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>>
>> B/
> Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
> kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember
> being 18 yo, but very vaguely.

Pah, I don't believe that) You are just a laddie)

Brian I seem to have missed your birthday Please accept my very good
wishes. I hope you had a wonderful day and will have great year)

Ophelia wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>
>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>
>>>George Shirley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dave Bell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>>>>>>were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>>>>>>has never been approved in the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Approved or not:
>>>>>>http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>>>>>>Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available
>>>>>to the home cook.
>>>>>
>>>>>B/, one day older than Barb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's
>>>>29th birthday. <BSEG>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my
>>>20th anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>>>
>>>B/
>>
>>Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
>>kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember
>>being 18 yo, but very vaguely.
>
>
> Pah, I don't believe that) You are just a laddie)
>
> Brian I seem to have missed your birthday Please accept my very good
> wishes. I hope you had a wonderful day and will have great year)
>
>
Bloody Sassenach, how could you think an American of English descent
would believe you? Just kidding, I actually like the Scots, Scotland
being the better part of the UK. <VBG>

George

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>
>>>>George Shirley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Bell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Cook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am sure that they were the breads and cakes baked in jars. There
>>>>>>>>were a raft of recipes for those things a few years ago. That method
>>>>>>>>has never been approved in the US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Approved or not:
>>>>>>>http://www.honeybearranchca.com/700946.html
>>>>>>>Camino, CA 95709-9703
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe things are different, up in the gold country!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's possible they have equipment and/or ingredients not available
>>>>>>to the home cook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>B/, one day older than Barb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's
>>>>>29th birthday. <BSEG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my
>>>>20th anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>>>>
>>>>B/
>>>
>>>Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
>>>kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember
>>>being 18 yo, but very vaguely.
>>
>>
>> Pah, I don't believe that) You are just a laddie)
>>
>> Brian I seem to have missed your birthday Please accept my very good
>> wishes. I hope you had a wonderful day and will have great year)
> Bloody Sassenach, how could you think an American of English descent would
> believe you? Just kidding, I actually like the Scots, Scotland being the
> better part of the UK. <VBG>

LOLOL don't push yer luck laddie))))

In article >,
Brian Mailman > wrote:
> >> B/, one day older than Barb
> >
> > Then Happy Birthday to you Brian as I believe tomorrow is Barb's 29th
> > birthday. <BSEG>
>
> Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my 20th
> anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>
> B/

Don't forget, Brian -- when you're going downhill, you're picking up
speed. Happy birthday to you, too!
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

George Shirley wrote:
> Brian Mailman wrote:

>> Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my 20th
>> anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.

> Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
> kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember being
> 18 yo, but very vaguely.

The weird part is when I was 25, it was 15 years to 40 and seemed like
forever. Now, it's 15 years to 70 and that feels imminent.

B/

Brian Mailman wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>
>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>
>
>>> Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my
>>> 20th anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>
>
>> Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
>> kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember
>> being 18 yo, but very vaguely.
>
>
> The weird part is when I was 25, it was 15 years to 40 and seemed like
> forever. Now, it's 15 years to 70 and that feels imminent.
>
> B/
Shucks, I just would like to at least live to be 70. My Dad died at 71,
his Dad at 52, and his Dad at 24. One full brother to my Dad died at age
33, another made it to 76, and the sole survivor turned 93 in March this
year. The longest lived Shirley male in my line in nine generations.

Don't ever believe that family genetics doesn't play a role in your
life. I had my first heart attack at age 46 and have had one other and
more than 40 micro strokes since then plus 4 major strokes. No cancer in
my Dad's or my Mom's side of the family, just heart disease,
artherosclerosis, and strokes. Stay healthy. What's the Vulcan greeting?
Live long and prosper. Living long when you're chronically ill isn't any
good at all. It's to pretty a day to be pessimistic, think I'll go to
the supermarket and browse.

George

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> Brian Mailman wrote:
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my
>>>> 20th anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>>
>>
>>> Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
>>> kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember being
>>> 18 yo, but very vaguely.
>>
>>
>> The weird part is when I was 25, it was 15 years to 40 and seemed like
>> forever. Now, it's 15 years to 70 and that feels imminent.
>>
>> B/
> Shucks, I just would like to at least live to be 70. My Dad died at 71,
> his Dad at 52, and his Dad at 24. One full brother to my Dad died at age
> 33, another made it to 76, and the sole survivor turned 93 in March this
> year. The longest lived Shirley male in my line in nine generations.
>
> Don't ever believe that family genetics doesn't play a role in your life.
> I had my first heart attack at age 46 and have had one other and more than
> 40 micro strokes since then plus 4 major strokes. No cancer in my Dad's or
> my Mom's side of the family, just heart disease, artherosclerosis, and
> strokes. Stay healthy. What's the Vulcan greeting? Live long and prosper.
> Living long when you're chronically ill isn't any good at all. It's to
> pretty a day to be pessimistic, think I'll go to the supermarket and
> browse.
>
> George
>
Get yer fiber, George. Heck no need to go to the supermarket, you got one in
your backyard.
Edrena

The Joneses wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>
>>>George Shirley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Thank you Susan, Thank you George (happy birthday Barb).... it's my
>>>>>20th anniversary of my 35th.... rolling double nickels here.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another 13 years and you can catch up to where I am now. You're just a
>>>>kid Brian. I vaguely remember being 55 yo, heck I vaguely remember being
>>>>18 yo, but very vaguely.
>>>
>>>
>>>The weird part is when I was 25, it was 15 years to 40 and seemed like
>>>forever. Now, it's 15 years to 70 and that feels imminent.
>>>
>>>B/
>>
>>Shucks, I just would like to at least live to be 70. My Dad died at 71,
>>his Dad at 52, and his Dad at 24. One full brother to my Dad died at age
>>33, another made it to 76, and the sole survivor turned 93 in March this
>>year. The longest lived Shirley male in my line in nine generations.
>>
>>Don't ever believe that family genetics doesn't play a role in your life.
>>I had my first heart attack at age 46 and have had one other and more than
>>40 micro strokes since then plus 4 major strokes. No cancer in my Dad's or
>>my Mom's side of the family, just heart disease, artherosclerosis, and
>>strokes. Stay healthy. What's the Vulcan greeting? Live long and prosper.
>>Living long when you're chronically ill isn't any good at all. It's to
>>pretty a day to be pessimistic, think I'll go to the supermarket and
>>browse.
>>
>>George
>>
>
> Get yer fiber, George. Heck no need to go to the supermarket, you got one in
> your backyard.
> Edrena
>
>
With daily temperatures running up into the middle nineties Farenheit
the old garden isn't producing a lot. A few tomatoes along, the beets
are really slowing up (and I so wanted to send some to Barb), so are the
carrots. The greens are gone, most of the bush beans are shot and it
seems the eggplant are done early this year. The figs haven't started
coming in and the kumquats and the lemon tree are blooming like crazy,
citrus smell all over the backyard. The Japanese persimmon has lost most
of its fruit and we will be lucky to get any at all. the sunchokes, aka
Jerusalem artichokes, are producing but we will sieve them out of the
soil and sell them at the farmers market. Neither of us can tolerate
them without a whole bottle of Beano inside us. Pity because they are
tasty when fresh. The blueberries and blackberries are done too. I guess
if we could zinnias, torenias, and a few other flowers we would be okay
but normally we only eat the pansies, nastursiums, and violets in a salad.

By the way, how is the weather in El Paso del Norte?

George, who sometimes, in the wee hours, wishes he lived at least one
heat zone further north

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
>>>
> With daily temperatures running up into the middle nineties Farenheit the
> old garden isn't producing a lot. A few tomatoes along, the beets are
> really slowing up (and I so wanted to send some to Barb), so are the
> carrots. The greens are gone, most of the bush beans are shot and it seems
> the eggplant are done early this year. The figs haven't started coming in
> and the kumquats and the lemon tree are blooming like crazy, citrus smell
> all over the backyard. The Japanese persimmon has lost most of its fruit
> and we will be lucky to get any at all. the sunchokes, aka Jerusalem
> artichokes, are producing but we will sieve them out of the soil and sell
> them at the farmers market. Neither of us can tolerate them without a
> whole bottle of Beano inside us. Pity because they are tasty when fresh.
> The blueberries and blackberries are done too. I guess if we could
> zinnias, torenias, and a few other flowers we would be okay but normally
> we only eat the pansies, nastursiums, and violets in a salad.
>
> By the way, how is the weather in El Paso del Norte?
>
> George, who sometimes, in the wee hours, wishes he lived at least one heat
> zone further north
>

Daily temps in the lower 100's, and overwhelming humidity sometimes clear up
to 30%. I can hardly breathe. We siesta during the noonish hours. And my
garden is pretty bare, too. Afraid to plant anything for fear it'll get
scorched between sunrise and sunset.
Edrena

The Joneses wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>With daily temperatures running up into the middle nineties Farenheit the
>>old garden isn't producing a lot. A few tomatoes along, the beets are
>>really slowing up (and I so wanted to send some to Barb), so are the
>>carrots. The greens are gone, most of the bush beans are shot and it seems
>>the eggplant are done early this year. The figs haven't started coming in
>>and the kumquats and the lemon tree are blooming like crazy, citrus smell
>>all over the backyard. The Japanese persimmon has lost most of its fruit
>>and we will be lucky to get any at all. the sunchokes, aka Jerusalem
>>artichokes, are producing but we will sieve them out of the soil and sell
>>them at the farmers market. Neither of us can tolerate them without a
>>whole bottle of Beano inside us. Pity because they are tasty when fresh.
>>The blueberries and blackberries are done too. I guess if we could
>>zinnias, torenias, and a few other flowers we would be okay but normally
>>we only eat the pansies, nastursiums, and violets in a salad.
>>
>>By the way, how is the weather in El Paso del Norte?
>>
>>George, who sometimes, in the wee hours, wishes he lived at least one heat
>>zone further north
>>
>
>
> Daily temps in the lower 100's, and overwhelming humidity sometimes clear up
> to 30%. I can hardly breathe. We siesta during the noonish hours. And my
> garden is pretty bare, too. Afraid to plant anything for fear it'll get
> scorched between sunrise and sunset.
> Edrena
>
>
30% humidity sounds like heaven. When we lived in Saudi Arabia we had
humidity about 20-30% and loved it. Humidity here on the Gulf Coast is
more likely to be 90 to 96% and only drops lower than that when it
rains. We hide in the air conditioned house when it gets that hot and
wet. Nearly everyone here has air conditioned cars and air conditioned
houses. when I was a kid we had an attic fan and you finally cooled off
about 2 am only to get heated up again by 9 am. My folks were one of the
first families where we lived to get ac and they got it after I went in
the Navy in 1957, along with central heat, a television, etc. Dad said
it was because the grocery bill dropped $80 a month after I left home. I
didn't believe him until my kids left home. Stay out of the hot and wet
Edrena.

George

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> The Joneses wrote:
>> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>With daily temperatures running up into the middle nineties Farenheit the
>>>old garden isn't producing a lot. A few tomatoes along, the beets are
>>>really slowing up (and I so wanted to send some to Barb), so are the
>>>carrots. The greens are gone, most of the bush beans are shot and it
>>>seems the eggplant are done early this year. The figs haven't started
>>>coming in and the kumquats and the lemon tree are blooming like crazy,
>>>citrus smell all over the backyard. The Japanese persimmon has lost most
>>>of its fruit and we will be lucky to get any at all. the sunchokes, aka
>>>Jerusalem artichokes, are producing but we will sieve them out of the
>>>soil and sell them at the farmers market. Neither of us can tolerate them
>>>without a whole bottle of Beano inside us. Pity because they are tasty
>>>when fresh. The blueberries and blackberries are done too. I guess if we
>>>could zinnias, torenias, and a few other flowers we would be okay but
>>>normally we only eat the pansies, nastursiums, and violets in a salad.
>>>
>>>By the way, how is the weather in El Paso del Norte?
>>>
>>>George, who sometimes, in the wee hours, wishes he lived at least one
>>>heat zone further north
>>>
>>
>>
>> Daily temps in the lower 100's, and overwhelming humidity sometimes clear
>> up to 30%. I can hardly breathe. We siesta during the noonish hours. And
>> my garden is pretty bare, too. Afraid to plant anything for fear it'll
>> get scorched between sunrise and sunset.
>> Edrena
>>
>>
> 30% humidity sounds like heaven. When we lived in Saudi Arabia we had
> humidity about 20-30% and loved it. Humidity here on the Gulf Coast is
> more likely to be 90 to 96% and only drops lower than that when it rains.
> We hide in the air conditioned house when it gets that hot and wet. Nearly
> everyone here has air conditioned cars and air conditioned houses. when I
> was a kid we had an attic fan and you finally cooled off about 2 am only
> to get heated up again by 9 am. My folks were one of the first families
> where we lived to get ac and they got it after I went in the Navy in 1957,
> along with central heat, a television, etc. Dad said it was because the
> grocery bill dropped $80 a month after I left home. I didn't believe him
> until my kids left home. Stay out of the hot and wet Edrena.
>
> George

When I went into basic training, the service actually served dessert. With
every meal! And whole milk! I gained 10 lbs in basic.
Way beyond that now...
Y'all keep yer heads covered when the wind blows, ya hear? Fixin' to mail
the kids off some survival packages for the season. One in 'Bama and one on
the Beach.
Edrena

The Joneses wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>The Joneses wrote:
>>
>>>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>With daily temperatures running up into the middle nineties Farenheit the
>>>>old garden isn't producing a lot. A few tomatoes along, the beets are
>>>>really slowing up (and I so wanted to send some to Barb), so are the
>>>>carrots. The greens are gone, most of the bush beans are shot and it
>>>>seems the eggplant are done early this year. The figs haven't started
>>>>coming in and the kumquats and the lemon tree are blooming like crazy,
>>>>citrus smell all over the backyard. The Japanese persimmon has lost most
>>>>of its fruit and we will be lucky to get any at all. the sunchokes, aka
>>>>Jerusalem artichokes, are producing but we will sieve them out of the
>>>>soil and sell them at the farmers market. Neither of us can tolerate them
>>>>without a whole bottle of Beano inside us. Pity because they are tasty
>>>>when fresh. The blueberries and blackberries are done too. I guess if we
>>>>could zinnias, torenias, and a few other flowers we would be okay but
>>>>normally we only eat the pansies, nastursiums, and violets in a salad.
>>>>
>>>>By the way, how is the weather in El Paso del Norte?
>>>>
>>>>George, who sometimes, in the wee hours, wishes he lived at least one
>>>>heat zone further north
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Daily temps in the lower 100's, and overwhelming humidity sometimes clear
>>>up to 30%. I can hardly breathe. We siesta during the noonish hours. And
>>>my garden is pretty bare, too. Afraid to plant anything for fear it'll
>>>get scorched between sunrise and sunset.
>>>Edrena
>>>
>>>
>>
>>30% humidity sounds like heaven. When we lived in Saudi Arabia we had
>>humidity about 20-30% and loved it. Humidity here on the Gulf Coast is
>>more likely to be 90 to 96% and only drops lower than that when it rains.
>>We hide in the air conditioned house when it gets that hot and wet. Nearly
>>everyone here has air conditioned cars and air conditioned houses. when I
>>was a kid we had an attic fan and you finally cooled off about 2 am only
>>to get heated up again by 9 am. My folks were one of the first families
>>where we lived to get ac and they got it after I went in the Navy in 1957,
>>along with central heat, a television, etc. Dad said it was because the
>>grocery bill dropped $80 a month after I left home. I didn't believe him
>>until my kids left home. Stay out of the hot and wet Edrena.
>>
>>George
>
>
> When I went into basic training, the service actually served dessert. With
> every meal! And whole milk! I gained 10 lbs in basic.
> Way beyond that now...
> Y'all keep yer heads covered when the wind blows, ya hear? Fixin' to mail
> the kids off some survival packages for the season. One in 'Bama and one on
> the Beach.
> Edrena
>
>
>
I went into the USN in 1957 Edrena, tender age of 17. Got so used to
eating huge southern meals at home that I thought I would starve to
death in boot camp. In eight weeks I grew two inches taller and lost 20
lbs. Got off of active duty in fall of 1960 and ballooned up to 165 and
stayed there for about 16 years. I was jumping out of airplanes as a
part-time (read NG) trooper, and marching 25 miles a day with a 9.5 lb
rifle (Garand) and a 90 lb field pack so stayed pretty fit. Lordy, quit
that stuff, got a desk job and pretty soon was hitting 200 lbs. Went to
Saudi Arabia in 1980 and got up to 275 lbs, all of this on a 5 foot 8
inch frame. Don't talk to me about gaining weight, I can look at food
and gain weight.

Since I got out of the hospital on 3/27/2007 I've put back nearly 20 lbs
of the 103 lbs I had lost prior to that. I'm managing to trim off some
of it but still have another 30 lbs to go to get to what the docs
consider my "ideal" weight. When I was young (late twenties, early
thirties) I could lose a lb a day getting ready to go to summer camp.

I make my kids come and get the goodies, they both live a little north
of Houston and get weekends off. Don't see them that often as they have
their own lives to lead so don't worry about it. Both are in their
mid-forties now and pretty well grown up. Now I worry about the grown-up
grandkids more often than not. <VBG> 27, 24, and soon to be 21 those
are. I do get to play with the greatgrands when their daddy brings them
to visit, ages 6 and 3 and a lot more fun than grandkids.

George

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> 30% humidity sounds like heaven. When we lived in Saudi Arabia we had
> humidity about 20-30% and loved it. Humidity here on the Gulf Coast is
> more likely to be 90 to 96% and only drops lower than that when it rains.
> We hide in the air conditioned house when it gets that hot and wet. Nearly
> everyone here has air conditioned cars and air conditioned houses. when I
> was a kid we had an attic fan and you finally cooled off about 2 am only
> to get heated up again by 9 am. My folks were one of the first families
> where we lived to get ac and they got it after I went in the Navy in 1957,
> along with central heat, a television, etc. Dad said it was because the
> grocery bill dropped $80 a month after I left home. I didn't believe him
> until my kids left home. Stay out of the hot and wet Edrena.

You have been in UK haven't you George??

Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has never
been before

Ophelia wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>30% humidity sounds like heaven. When we lived in Saudi Arabia we had
>>humidity about 20-30% and loved it. Humidity here on the Gulf Coast is
>>more likely to be 90 to 96% and only drops lower than that when it rains.
>>We hide in the air conditioned house when it gets that hot and wet. Nearly
>>everyone here has air conditioned cars and air conditioned houses. when I
>>was a kid we had an attic fan and you finally cooled off about 2 am only
>>to get heated up again by 9 am. My folks were one of the first families
>>where we lived to get ac and they got it after I went in the Navy in 1957,
>>along with central heat, a television, etc. Dad said it was because the
>>grocery bill dropped $80 a month after I left home. I didn't believe him
>>until my kids left home. Stay out of the hot and wet Edrena.
>
>
> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>
> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has never
> been before
>
>
>
Haven't really been paying attention Ophelia. We are in an era when our
Little Ice Age seems to be warming up but that's cyclic. Should change
again in another 300 years. <VBG>

George

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>
>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has never
>> been before
>>
>>
>>
> Haven't really been paying attention Ophelia. We are in an era when our
> Little Ice Age seems to be warming up but that's cyclic. Should change
> again in another 300 years. <VBG>

<G> I reckon we should be given a special pass to see it all

George Shirley wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> 30% humidity sounds like heaven. When we lived in Saudi Arabia we had
>>> humidity about 20-30% and loved it. Humidity here on the Gulf Coast
>>> is more likely to be 90 to 96% and only drops lower than that when it
>>> rains. We hide in the air conditioned house when it gets that hot and
>>> wet. Nearly everyone here has air conditioned cars and air
>>> conditioned houses. when I was a kid we had an attic fan and you
>>> finally cooled off about 2 am only to get heated up again by 9 am. My
>>> folks were one of the first families where we lived to get ac and
>>> they got it after I went in the Navy in 1957, along with central
>>> heat, a television, etc. Dad said it was because the grocery bill
>>> dropped $80 a month after I left home. I didn't believe him until my
>>> kids left home. Stay out of the hot and wet Edrena.
>>
>>
>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>
>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has
>> never been before
>>
>>
>>
> Haven't really been paying attention Ophelia. We are in an era when our
> Little Ice Age seems to be warming up but that's cyclic. Should change
> again in another 300 years. <VBG>

Thing is, it's not just a cyclical thing. The current warming and
CO2 content are of the chart for where they've been in millions of
years.

Serene

Ophelia wrote:

> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>
> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has never
> been before

'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own
garden, got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.

B/

"Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>
>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has never
>> been before
>
> 'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own garden,
> got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.

Oh dear I was raised in Hull

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:06:43 -0700, Brian Mailman
> wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>
>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>
>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it has never
>> been before
>
>'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own
>garden, got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.
>
>B/

Some flood photos.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ture=330082575

The poor man who died got his foot caught in some sort of a drain
cover when he went to clear the drain at a commercial establishment
owned by a relative. Rescuers could not get his foot released,
although they tried. I believe exposure contributed to his demise.

Boron

Ophelia wrote:
> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>>
>>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it
>>> has never been before
>>
>> 'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own
>> garden, got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.
>
> Oh dear I was raised in Hull

Here's the receding waters:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/weymesworld/

B/

"Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>>>
>>>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it
>>>> has never been before
>>>
>>> 'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own
>>> garden, got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.
>>
>> Oh dear I was raised in Hull
>
> Here's the receding waters:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/weymesworld/

Thanks. Any idea which area that was?

Ophelia wrote:
> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it
>>>>> has never been before
>>>>
>>>> 'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own
>>>> garden, got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.
>>>
>>> Oh dear I was raised in Hull
>>
>> Here's the receding waters:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/weymesworld/
>
> Thanks. Any idea which area that was?

Hull, but if you want something more specific I can ask.

B/

Brian Mailman wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have been in UK haven't you George??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you seen all the flooding in England just now. Places it
>>>>>> has never been before
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Net buddy in Hull was telling me y'day someone drowned in his own
>>>>> garden, got swept into a drainpipe. Terrible.
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear I was raised in Hull
>>>
>>> Here's the receding waters:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/weymesworld/
>>
>> Thanks. Any idea which area that was?
>
> Hull, but if you want something more specific I can ask.

No it's ok thanks. I have been following the flood maps here

http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=53.7544,-0.3401&z=1&m=1