I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I think
I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy fartsy
things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to
learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to do
is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving' and
she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out how
it could be taught to the group.

So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of canning
giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would you
like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
you?

"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
>I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
>optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
>upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
>They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
>please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I think
>I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
>crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy fartsy
>things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to
>learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to
>do is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving'
>and she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work
>out how it could be taught to the group.
>
> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
> canning giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What
> would you like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would
> can all day for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me.
> What about you?
>
bad fingers, bad bad fingers, it should read 24 year old speaker.
-g

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I think
> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy fartsy
> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to
> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to do
> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving' and
> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out how
> it could be taught to the group.
>
> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of canning
> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would you
> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
> you?
>
>
Never thought of using the barter system. I used to teach a small
canning class for a local charity for a Diet Coke. Suited me and some
less-than-well-to-do folks learned to put up their own food. Had to
teach some of them how to garden too. May have lessened my stay in
purgatory by about three minutes but it was fun to watch their faces
when the "Eureka" light came on and they saw that they really could do
this stuff.

I would say you might get a class to clean your house though.

George

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> ... I
> suggested a night where we trade crafts. I crochet and can do cross
> stitch and have done other artsy fartsy things, but the one thing I
> cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to learn how.

If you're left-handed, make sure they teach you German/Continental (also
have them start you off with stockinette stitch and not garter--you
would need to learn to knit in gauge first and learning to throw the
yarn over properly is obviated by it coming in from the left to begin with).

> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
> canning giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for?
> What would you like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think
> I would can all day for someone if they would just clean my damned
> house for me. What about you?

Conversational French.

B/

"Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
...
> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>> ... I
>> suggested a night where we trade crafts. I crochet and can do cross
>> stitch and have done other artsy fartsy things, but the one thing I
>> cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to learn how.
>
> If you're left-handed, make sure they teach you German/Continental (also
> have them start you off with stockinette stitch and not garter--you would
> need to learn to knit in gauge first and learning to throw the yarn over
> properly is obviated by it coming in from the left to begin with).
>
>> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
>> canning giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for?
>> What would you like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think
>> I would can all day for someone if they would just clean my damned
>> house for me. What about you?
>
> Conversational French.
>
> B/
>
This trade I might could do for you, Brian. I have four kids, the two boys
(24, 15) cook like angels. The girls, particularly the elder (17, 12) can't
cook a lick and the big one thinks boiling eggs takes an hour (don't ask how
I found this out), but she has taken 7 years of French and is fairly fluent.
She can talk foo foo french cookery but don't ask her to do it!!!
-ginny

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
>> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
>> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
>> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
>> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I
>> think I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we
>> trade crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other
>> artsy fartsy things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I
>> would like to learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she
>> would like to do is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning
>> and preserving' and she said yes. I told her I would get back with her,
>> as we could work out how it could be taught to the group.
>>
>> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
>> canning giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What
>> would you like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would
>> can all day for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me.
>> What about you?
> Never thought of using the barter system. I used to teach a small canning
> class for a local charity for a Diet Coke. Suited me and some
> less-than-well-to-do folks learned to put up their own food. Had to teach
> some of them how to garden too. May have lessened my stay in purgatory by
> about three minutes but it was fun to watch their faces when the "Eureka"
> light came on and they saw that they really could do this stuff.
>
> I would say you might get a class to clean your house though.
>
> George

Always knew there was an angel hiding around your house. This would be
ideal, just to teach it for the joy of it. Besides, any class I've ever
taught (taught first aid, cpr for red cross, etc.) I don't have enough
liability insurance for to keep them from running screaming from the scene
of the crime (my kid's bedrooms).
-ginny

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I think
> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy fartsy
> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to
> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to do
> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving' and
> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out how
> it could be taught to the group.
>
> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of canning
> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would you
> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
> you?

<Barb dons her flameproof panties [the black lacy ones]>

I prefer cash. I like it because I like clear communication. I like it
because I put a value on what I do and speaking the local language is
always nice. The local language is dollars and cents; good or bad, it
is the language on which our society operates.

Having said that, last night I had a two-hour session with 9 women
wherein I taught them (demonstrated and let them get their hands on) how
to make two kinds of pepper jelly. I provided four ways (with samples
for all to taste) of what to do with the damned stuff. I spent about
8-16 hours prepping (shopping, making, preparing a 6-page handout with
recipes) for it. I prepared (and shopped for supplies for) 14 people.

It was cold last night and 5 opted out (without calling, thank you).
I'll receive $30 for it. That *might* cover my supplies. Those
present paid $2 each for the privilege. They took home two jars of
jelly each. This was a labor of love and naught but a fun time for ME ‹
very self-serving.

I told a couple of women that if I were selling that jelly (I'm thinking
that I calculated costs to less than a buck a jar) I would charge at
least $5 for a jar. One gasped. I just smiled and said that I don't
believe in undervaluing my skill and knowledge and my time. Women too
often do that. The lady understood what I was saying.

That was a volunteer thing, booked by the church's social director
(sweet woman) and I was happy to do it -- like I said, it was very
self-serving fun for me ‹ I want to meet younger people at the place
besides all the geezers I've met. When I've taught for Community Ed
(EXACT same thing), I've been paid about $25-40 per hour. I doubt last
night's group know that they were getting a real deal. <grin>

I like cash because I can then value my "product" as I wish and the
'buyer' has the absolute right to say, "Yippee skippy, that's SUCH a
bargain," or "Oh, gosh, that's more than I can do right now." NO HARD
FEELINGS. I also like cash because I can then state my dissatisfaction,
if there should be any, more forthrightly and with less fear of
upsetting a friendship. It's a more professional way of doing things, I
think. And I like cash because if it's something I don't especially
want to do, but am willing to do "if the the price is right," then
that's a choice that I willingly made. There's no keeping score trying
to make sure I didn't give more than I thought I was getting ‹ give me a
dollar figure and I'll decide if I can, want to, or am willing to pay
that amount.

There are lots of things that I don't know how to do that I have
absolutely no interesting in learning how to do. Sewing my own
clothing. I was happy to pay The Widow Geraldine to sew clothing for
me. That she charged a pittance wasn't my decision to make. I'd have
paid her twice was she charged.

Then again, the bottom line is not always about dollars and cents. It
just isn't.

This is not an absolute answer to your question, Ginny. I was in the
midst of writing it when I got a mail message from the coordinator of
last night's event, wanting my evaluation of the evening. I told her
that I'd send this to her because a lot of what's here was discussed in
her note.
-Barb
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
>
>> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
>> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
>> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
>> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
>> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I
>> think
>> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
>> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy
>> fartsy
>> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like
>> to
>> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to
>> do
>> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving'
>> and
>> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out
>> how
>> it could be taught to the group.
>>
>> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
>> canning
>> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would
>> you
>> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
>> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
>> you?
>
> <Barb dons her flameproof panties [the black lacy ones]>
>
> I prefer cash. I like it because I like clear communication. I like it
> because I put a value on what I do and speaking the local language is
> always nice. The local language is dollars and cents; good or bad, it
> is the language on which our society operates.
>
> Having said that, last night I had a two-hour session with 9 women
> wherein I taught them (demonstrated and let them get their hands on) how
> to make two kinds of pepper jelly. I provided four ways (with samples
> for all to taste) of what to do with the damned stuff. I spent about
> 8-16 hours prepping (shopping, making, preparing a 6-page handout with
> recipes) for it. I prepared (and shopped for supplies for) 14 people.
>
> It was cold last night and 5 opted out (without calling, thank you).
> I'll receive $30 for it. That *might* cover my supplies. Those
> present paid $2 each for the privilege. They took home two jars of
> jelly each. This was a labor of love and naught but a fun time for ME <
> very self-serving.
>
> I told a couple of women that if I were selling that jelly (I'm thinking
> that I calculated costs to less than a buck a jar) I would charge at
> least $5 for a jar. One gasped. I just smiled and said that I don't
> believe in undervaluing my skill and knowledge and my time. Women too
> often do that. The lady understood what I was saying.
>
> That was a volunteer thing, booked by the church's social director
> (sweet woman) and I was happy to do it -- like I said, it was very
> self-serving fun for me < I want to meet younger people at the place
> besides all the geezers I've met. When I've taught for Community Ed
> (EXACT same thing), I've been paid about $25-40 per hour. I doubt last
> night's group know that they were getting a real deal. <grin>
>
> I like cash because I can then value my "product" as I wish and the
> 'buyer' has the absolute right to say, "Yippee skippy, that's SUCH a
> bargain," or "Oh, gosh, that's more than I can do right now." NO HARD
> FEELINGS. I also like cash because I can then state my dissatisfaction,
> if there should be any, more forthrightly and with less fear of
> upsetting a friendship. It's a more professional way of doing things, I
> think. And I like cash because if it's something I don't especially
> want to do, but am willing to do "if the the price is right," then
> that's a choice that I willingly made. There's no keeping score trying
> to make sure I didn't give more than I thought I was getting < give me a
> dollar figure and I'll decide if I can, want to, or am willing to pay
> that amount.
>
> There are lots of things that I don't know how to do that I have
> absolutely no interesting in learning how to do. Sewing my own
> clothing. I was happy to pay The Widow Geraldine to sew clothing for
> me. That she charged a pittance wasn't my decision to make. I'd have
> paid her twice was she charged.
>
> Then again, the bottom line is not always about dollars and cents. It
> just isn't.
>
> This is not an absolute answer to your question, Ginny. I was in the
> midst of writing it when I got a mail message from the coordinator of
> last night's event, wanting my evaluation of the evening. I told her
> that I'd send this to her because a lot of what's here was discussed in
> her note.
> -Barb
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

I'm with you, Barb - cash is king! However, I had a neighbour with a glut
of tomatoes one year who didn't know how to make salsa. She told me I could
have as many as I wanted if I showed her how to make salsa. I thought that
was fair.

Also, I'm quite proud of what I know and of what I can do, so I would share
that for pretty much peanuts, if anyone asked. My bestist friend and
sister-in-law didn't know anything about home repair and reno, so when she
needed help in stripping wallpaper, repairing drywall and painting, she
asked me. It's all stuff I LOVE to do and I'm pretty good at it, if I do
say so myself. So I brought all my tools, told her what she needed to buy,
and we did it together, then shared a bottle of wine. We're both 'winos'.
That was payment enuff for me. Oh, and she's also a professional hair
stylist, and does my hair and my family's for free....So in a sense, I guess
we traded our knowledge.

PS....I keep track of all I spend in a year, on all the preserving I do,
because I make most of my stuff as Christmas gifts (sort of out of
curiosity, really). So I tally up my expenses (jars, sugar, fruit, pectin,
veggies, whatever) and divide it by the number of jars I end up with. So
far this year, (and I'm not done yet ) I have spent $188.89 and I have 171
jars....that's $1.11 a jar.....Barb, 5 bucks a jar is low, IMO...factor in
labour, electricity......heck, the grocery store charges $5 bucks they have
all that extra crap in their stuff!....actually, I don't really know what
the grocery store charges - haven't bot jam in 20 years.........

Kathi

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>
I think I would can all day
> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
> you?
>
>


That sounds fantastic to me!


I also need to learn to knit. If I could sew a straight seam on the
machine (I can't) I'd love to learn quilting.

I have no patience with fiddly things.

gloria p

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message

>>> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group
>>> of canning giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills
>>> for? What would you like to learn that you don't know how to do?
>>> I think I would can all day for someone if they would just clean
>>> my damned house for me. What about you?
>>
>> Conversational French.

> This trade I might could do for you, Brian. I have four kids, the
> two boys (24, 15) cook like angels. The girls, particularly the elder
> (17, 12) can't cook a lick and the big one thinks boiling eggs takes
> an hour (don't ask how I found this out), but she has taken 7 years
> of French and is fairly fluent. She can talk foo foo french cookery
> but don't ask her to do it!!!

Heh. That's why I emphasized "conversational." I spent some years
apprenticed, learning the "foo foo" cooking stuff.

B/

Oh pshaw, on Wed 28 Nov 2007 11:17:32a, Virginia Tadrzynski meant to
say...

> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking'
> night. They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum
> roll please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur
> (I think I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night
> where we trade crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done
> other artsy fartsy things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I
> told her I would like to learn how. She looked whistful and said the
> one thing she would like to do is learn to jar thingies. I asked her
> 'you mean canning and preserving' and she said yes. I told her I would
> get back with her, as we could work out how it could be taught to the
> group.
>
> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
> canning giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What
> would you like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would
> can all day for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me.
> What about you?
>
>



I would happily teach the English method of making marmalade for damned
near anything.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Wednesday, November 28th,2007

*******************************************
Countdown 'til Christmas
3wks 3dys 5hrs 15mins
*******************************************
I may have my faults, but being wrong
isn't one of them.
*******************************************

In article >,
Puester > wrote:

> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> >
> I think I would can all day
> > for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
> > you?
> >
> >
>
>
> That sounds fantastic to me!
>
>
> I also need to learn to knit. If I could sew a straight seam on the
> machine (I can't) I'd love to learn quilting.
>
> I have no patience with fiddly things.
>
> gloria p

I think it's important that we know our limitations. In my dream world,
I want instant gratification. I think it goes along with being Mother
Superior/ <Vbseg!> I'd never sew anything in one day or three hours
but I can do up a fair amount of foodstuffs in that time allotment. I
guess the thing I am truly grateful for is that I can pick and choose.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

Oh pshaw, on Wed 28 Nov 2007 07:28:13p, Melba's Jammin' meant to say...

> In article >,
> Puester > wrote:
>
>> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>> >
>> I think I would can all day
>> > for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What
>> > about you?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> That sounds fantastic to me!
>>
>>
>> I also need to learn to knit. If I could sew a straight seam on the
>> machine (I can't) I'd love to learn quilting.
>>
>> I have no patience with fiddly things.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> I think it's important that we know our limitations. In my dream world,
> I want instant gratification. I think it goes along with being Mother
> Superior/ <Vbseg!> I'd never sew anything in one day or three hours
> but I can do up a fair amount of foodstuffs in that time allotment. I
> guess the thing I am truly grateful for is that I can pick and choose.

Or pickle and choose, as the case may be. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: November 28th,2007

*******************************************
Countdown 'til Christmas
3wks 3dys 4hrs 30mins
*******************************************
I didn't *do* it, man, I only *said*
it. --Lenny Bruce
*******************************************

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I think
> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy fartsy
> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like to
> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to do
> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving' and
> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out how
> it could be taught to the group.
>
> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of canning
> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would you
> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
> you?

Ginny, I'm not sure that in my other post I made clear that rather than
trade (too much negotiating fair) mostly I'd prefer to do it with no
exchange other than expense money. Pay it forward. Part of my pitch
last night was an offer to come help someone with the canning ‹ free of
charge. I'm pretty sure that one woman may take me up on it; I made the
same offer a month ago at the apple butter class and never had a call.
Which tells me that those folks (your case may be different) were just
looking for a congenial night out; or maybe after the class they decided
it was too much work. Dunno.

Now, re-reading your post, you're talking about teaching an organized
group -- sounds like my last night's adventure. I'm back to cash again
-- people around here pay $30 for a 2-hour Community Ed class (a common
charge) in artsy fartsy stuff, I think. In the spirit of Good Christian
Fellowship, that might be steep, but I'm not so sure that $15 is
unreasonable, especially if the group is small and they do hands on and
they go home with what they made.

It's an interesting question to think about. I'd suggest a demo class
unless you've got LOTS of working space and not more than about 4 people.

Heck, ask Ellen what she does. I don't know if hers is a paid position
but she's working with folks in a community kitchen, I believe.


--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:57:01 GMT, Puester >
wrote:

>Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> >
> I think I would can all day
>> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
>> you?
>>
>>
>
>
>That sounds fantastic to me!
>
>
>I also need to learn to knit. If I could sew a straight seam on the
>machine (I can't) I'd love to learn quilting.
>
>I have no patience with fiddly things.
>
>gloria p

I taught my daughter to sew a straight seam on the machine by giving
her an unthreaded machine and lots of lined paper. She had to "sew"
along the lines. Practice makes perfect :-)
CJ

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
>
>> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
>> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
>> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
>> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
>> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I
>> think
>> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
>> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy
>> fartsy
>> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like
>> to
>> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to
>> do
>> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving'
>> and
>> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out
>> how
>> it could be taught to the group.
>>
>> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
>> canning
>> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would
>> you
>> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
>> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
>> you?
>
> Ginny, I'm not sure that in my other post I made clear that rather than
> trade (too much negotiating fair) mostly I'd prefer to do it with no
> exchange other than expense money. Pay it forward. Part of my pitch
> last night was an offer to come help someone with the canning < free of
> charge. I'm pretty sure that one woman may take me up on it; I made the
> same offer a month ago at the apple butter class and never had a call.
> Which tells me that those folks (your case may be different) were just
> looking for a congenial night out; or maybe after the class they decided
> it was too much work. Dunno.
>
> Now, re-reading your post, you're talking about teaching an organized
> group -- sounds like my last night's adventure. I'm back to cash again
> -- people around here pay $30 for a 2-hour Community Ed class (a common
> charge) in artsy fartsy stuff, I think. In the spirit of Good Christian
> Fellowship, that might be steep, but I'm not so sure that $15 is
> unreasonable, especially if the group is small and they do hands on and
> they go home with what they made.
>
> It's an interesting question to think about. I'd suggest a demo class
> unless you've got LOTS of working space and not more than about 4 people.
>
> Heck, ask Ellen what she does. I don't know if hers is a paid position
> but she's working with folks in a community kitchen, I believe.
>
>
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007


The way this thing usually works is that once a month the 'ladies' in the
church meet for coffee and a speaker then those who wish to, do something
with their hands. The last one I went to we made a 'blessing wreath' and
were told upfront, if you wanted to do the craft the cost per person would
be $6 to cover the items needed. Once they did a cooking demo and it cost
$5 a head to cover the cost of the items cooked. Most of these 'sharing'
ideas are just that, you share your knowledge and is just a subtle push to
get going on something. The emphasis is on the getting together outside of
Sunday mornings and without men and children rather than on the topic at
hand.

I do, however, agree that if you are teaching a class, you should never
devalue your worth. I would teach this in a flash and bring all my canning
gadjets with me, but they would have to provide the jars and the ingredients
(I may be generous with my time, but NEVER my jars). But this is for the
church where I attend. I will take your advice if asked to do this outside
of the congregation I attend.

What I really would like to do is take the teenaged girls from the youth
group and conscript all the 'seasoned' ladies who loved to hear about my
fair adventures and tell me what they 'used to do when they were kids' to
help teach this. Sort of serving two purposes, teaching the younger girls
(and boys if they are interested) that all food that comes out of a jar does
not originate in aisle 7 of the grocery store, and make some ladies who
often feel like they are 'past it' feel like they are a vital part of the
'community' again. Also, how else can you pass down an oral history if you
let those who know it pass on into that dark night without tapping the
hidden resource.
-ginny

the working space. The congregation I belong to has a reprobate chef as
member. Everytime he felt guilty about something he made a donation to the
church kitchen fund. He must have been one bad mofo, because when they
added on a fellowship hall with a new kitchen he donated the whole kitchen,
with two industrial sized refridgerators, and an industrial ten burner gas
range (I want to say subzero, but I'm not sure) an industrial dishwasher
and more than enough counterspace to make Mother Teresa curse. The kitchen
can handle it.
-g

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
>>
>>> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
>>> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
>>> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
>>> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
>>> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I
>>> think
>>> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
>>> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy
>>> fartsy
>>> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like
>>> to
>>> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to
>>> do
>>> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving'
>>> and
>>> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out
>>> how
>>> it could be taught to the group.
>>>
>>> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
>>> canning
>>> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would
>>> you
>>> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
>>> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
>>> you?
>> Ginny, I'm not sure that in my other post I made clear that rather than
>> trade (too much negotiating fair) mostly I'd prefer to do it with no
>> exchange other than expense money. Pay it forward. Part of my pitch
>> last night was an offer to come help someone with the canning < free of
>> charge. I'm pretty sure that one woman may take me up on it; I made the
>> same offer a month ago at the apple butter class and never had a call.
>> Which tells me that those folks (your case may be different) were just
>> looking for a congenial night out; or maybe after the class they decided
>> it was too much work. Dunno.
>>
>> Now, re-reading your post, you're talking about teaching an organized
>> group -- sounds like my last night's adventure. I'm back to cash again
>> -- people around here pay $30 for a 2-hour Community Ed class (a common
>> charge) in artsy fartsy stuff, I think. In the spirit of Good Christian
>> Fellowship, that might be steep, but I'm not so sure that $15 is
>> unreasonable, especially if the group is small and they do hands on and
>> they go home with what they made.
>>
>> It's an interesting question to think about. I'd suggest a demo class
>> unless you've got LOTS of working space and not more than about 4 people.
>>
>> Heck, ask Ellen what she does. I don't know if hers is a paid position
>> but she's working with folks in a community kitchen, I believe.
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>> Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
>> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007
>
>
> The way this thing usually works is that once a month the 'ladies' in the
> church meet for coffee and a speaker then those who wish to, do something
> with their hands. The last one I went to we made a 'blessing wreath' and
> were told upfront, if you wanted to do the craft the cost per person would
> be $6 to cover the items needed. Once they did a cooking demo and it cost
> $5 a head to cover the cost of the items cooked. Most of these 'sharing'
> ideas are just that, you share your knowledge and is just a subtle push to
> get going on something. The emphasis is on the getting together outside of
> Sunday mornings and without men and children rather than on the topic at
> hand.
>
> I do, however, agree that if you are teaching a class, you should never
> devalue your worth. I would teach this in a flash and bring all my canning
> gadjets with me, but they would have to provide the jars and the ingredients
> (I may be generous with my time, but NEVER my jars). But this is for the
> church where I attend. I will take your advice if asked to do this outside
> of the congregation I attend.
>
> What I really would like to do is take the teenaged girls from the youth
> group and conscript all the 'seasoned' ladies who loved to hear about my
> fair adventures and tell me what they 'used to do when they were kids' to
> help teach this. Sort of serving two purposes, teaching the younger girls
> (and boys if they are interested) that all food that comes out of a jar does
> not originate in aisle 7 of the grocery store, and make some ladies who
> often feel like they are 'past it' feel like they are a vital part of the
> 'community' again. Also, how else can you pass down an oral history if you
> let those who know it pass on into that dark night without tapping the
> hidden resource.
> -ginny
>
> the working space. The congregation I belong to has a reprobate chef as
> member. Everytime he felt guilty about something he made a donation to the
> church kitchen fund. He must have been one bad mofo, because when they
> added on a fellowship hall with a new kitchen he donated the whole kitchen,
> with two industrial sized refridgerators, and an industrial ten burner gas
> range (I want to say subzero, but I'm not sure) an industrial dishwasher
> and more than enough counterspace to make Mother Teresa curse. The kitchen
> can handle it.
> -g
>
>
Let me know if they ever decide to sell the church hall. That sounds
like my dream kitchen.

I have a drawing stashed away for when I win the Powerball lottery.
3,000 square foot house, three 12X12 bedrooms, three bathrooms, and the
rest is kitchen with living, eating, and office facilities built in. The
pantry alone is 600 square feet. All I have to do is remember to buy the
!@##$ tickets.

George, having a bad eye day, had to enlarge the font on my mail reader
to about 24 to be able to read the messages.

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
> >
> >> I just attended a "Ladies' Night Out' at church with a speaker and an
> >> optional craft (blessing wreath). I was speaking to the organizer about
> >> upcoming events and we got around to discussing the last 'cooking' night.
> >> They had a 24 speaker who had a cook book collection of (drum roll
> >> please)....20 cookbooks. I snorted and called her a rank amateur (I
> >> think
> >> I have around 3k but don't quote me). I suggested a night where we trade
> >> crafts. I crochet and can do cross stitch and have done other artsy
> >> fartsy
> >> things, but the one thing I cannot do is knit. I told her I would like
> >> to
> >> learn how. She looked whistful and said the one thing she would like to
> >> do
> >> is learn to jar thingies. I asked her 'you mean canning and preserving'
> >> and
> >> she said yes. I told her I would get back with her, as we could work out
> >> how
> >> it could be taught to the group.
> >>
> >> So here is a hypothetical question for you, my illustrious group of
> >> canning
> >> giants. What would you trade teaching canning skills for? What would
> >> you
> >> like to learn that you don't know how to do? I think I would can all day
> >> for someone if they would just clean my damned house for me. What about
> >> you?
> >
> > Ginny, I'm not sure that in my other post I made clear that rather than
> > trade (too much negotiating fair) mostly I'd prefer to do it with no
> > exchange other than expense money. Pay it forward. Part of my pitch
> > last night was an offer to come help someone with the canning < free of
> > charge. I'm pretty sure that one woman may take me up on it; I made the
> > same offer a month ago at the apple butter class and never had a call.
> > Which tells me that those folks (your case may be different) were just
> > looking for a congenial night out; or maybe after the class they decided
> > it was too much work. Dunno.
> >
> > Now, re-reading your post, you're talking about teaching an organized
> > group -- sounds like my last night's adventure. I'm back to cash again
> > -- people around here pay $30 for a 2-hour Community Ed class (a common
> > charge) in artsy fartsy stuff, I think. In the spirit of Good Christian
> > Fellowship, that might be steep, but I'm not so sure that $15 is
> > unreasonable, especially if the group is small and they do hands on and
> > they go home with what they made.
> >
> > It's an interesting question to think about. I'd suggest a demo class
> > unless you've got LOTS of working space and not more than about 4 people.

> get going on something. The emphasis is on the getting together outside of
> Sunday mornings and without men and children rather than on the topic at
> hand.

Perfect! Sounds great.
>
> I do, however, agree that if you are teaching a class, you should never
> devalue your worth. I would teach this in a flash and bring all my canning
> gadjets with me, but they would have to provide the jars and the ingredients
> (I may be generous with my time, but NEVER my jars). But this is for the
> church where I attend. I will take your advice if asked to do this outside
> of the congregation I attend.

I don't know that it's advice ‹ I think a person always should be
comfortable with whatever the agreement is otherwise that little ill
feeling just grows.
>
> What I really would like to do is take the teenaged girls from the youth
> group and conscript all the 'seasoned' ladies who loved to hear about my
> fair adventures and tell me what they 'used to do when they were kids' to
> help teach this. Sort of serving two purposes, teaching the younger girls
> (and boys if they are interested) that all food that comes out of a jar does
> not originate in aisle 7 of the grocery store, and make some ladies who
> often feel like they are 'past it' feel like they are a vital part of the
> 'community' again. Also, how else can you pass down an oral history if you
> let those who know it pass on into that dark night without tapping the
> hidden resource.
> -ginny

I think it would take conscription. So many of the young people I've
run into are simply not interested. And even those who, I think,
express a serious intent will watch and then say, "That is SO cool!!
You'll find me in Aisle 7."
>
> the working space. The congregation I belong to has a reprobate chef as
> member. Everytime he felt guilty about something he made a donation to the
> church kitchen fund. He must have been one bad mofo, because when they
> added on a fellowship hall with a new kitchen he donated the whole kitchen,
> with two industrial sized refridgerators, and an industrial ten burner gas
> range (I want to say subzero, but I'm not sure) an industrial dishwasher
> and more than enough counterspace to make Mother Teresa curse. The kitchen
> can handle it.
> -g

Love it, love it, love it!! LOL!!

BTW, I told my Tuesday group about Mother Superior, the Father
Inquisitor, and the Disciple of Saint Vinaigrette. They loved it.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

(honkin' snip words of wisdom)

> BTW, I told my Tuesday group about Mother Superior, the Father
> Inquisitor, and the Disciple of Saint Vinaigrette. They loved it.

I love it too!!!

No, seriously.... (ode to Bob)....... I love this place...can't imagin what
I'd to without it

Kathi



> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007