In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article >,
> > George Shirley > wrote:
> >
> >> That's why I generally buy Golden Harvest, even if they all are made by
> >> the same company.
> >
> > Interesting -- GH isn't in the list of Jarden brands that does include
> > Ball, Kerr, and Bernardin. See
> > <http://jardenbc.com/jarden-home-brands.php>
> I guess the site I sent you was wrong then. I could have sworn it said
> GH was a part of Jarden.


See Susan's comment.
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In article >,
"The Joneses" > wrote:
>
> Da** mouthy lids anyway. Get enough of that stuff from the kids. ;-)
> I do like the lids to be polite and say "plink."
> Edrena

Yup, yup, yup!! I refer to it as the percussion section in my Summer
Symphony. :-)

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"George Shirley" > wrote in message
.. .
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>
>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>>
>>> Ted
>>
>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
> That's why I generally buy Golden Harvest, even if they all are made by
> the same company.

I buy the GH because they are cheaper than the Bernardin jars, usually by 2
to 3 bucks. But when I need more lids, only Bernardin are available.

Kathi

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:39:51 -0400, "Kathi Jones" >
wrote:

>
>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
>>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>
>>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>> That's why I generally buy Golden Harvest, even if they all are made by
>> the same company.
>
>I buy the GH because they are cheaper than the Bernardin jars, usually by 2
>to 3 bucks. But when I need more lids, only Bernardin are available.
>
>Kathi
>

And, if you have a Dollarama store in your area, they have the best
price by far on regular Bernardin lids, $1.00 a box. Home Hardware is
out to lunch at $1.99 for the same box.

Ross.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:39:51 -0400, "Kathi Jones" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars
>>>>> and
>>>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>>> That's why I generally buy Golden Harvest, even if they all are made by
>>> the same company.
>>
>>I buy the GH because they are cheaper than the Bernardin jars, usually by
>>2
>>to 3 bucks. But when I need more lids, only Bernardin are available.
>>
>>Kathi
>>
>
> And, if you have a Dollarama store in your area, they have the best
> price by far on regular Bernardin lids, $1.00 a box. Home Hardware is
> out to lunch at $1.99 for the same box.
>
> Ross.

cool! Never looked at Dollarama, and yes, I have one. CP is booming - we
even have a Wal-Mart Super store now...go figure. Are you talking about
the 2 pieces, or just the lid, not the band?

Kathi

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>
> > What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
> > lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>
> I prefer the lid says nothing.

Me too. They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
most pens didn't work well. I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
jelly jars.

Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

Isabella Woodhouse wrote:
> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>
>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>
> Me too. They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
> most pens didn't work well. I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
> the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
> jelly jars.
>
> Isabella
I use a black Sharpie to write on lids and there are circular labels you
can buy that work on about any printer and most computers use the Avery
Label template. Easy to work with or just stick the label on the lid and
write on it. Check Walmart stationery aisle.

In article >,
"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:

> The easy solution to that is to OEM to another company that is
> already in the distribution chain and has all the relationships
> built. The obvious one would be Kraft foods since they already make
> and sell Sure-Jell. And you would start with lids that would fit
> regular Mason jars, since that is an obvious commodity item, and you
> can advertise your name on them. Also, a bundle of a box of powdered
> pectin with, say, 5 lids in it would make logical sense.
>
> In addition, Jardin is already operating in the pectin market, with
> their Ball pectin. It would make sense for Kraft to retaliate by
> entering the lid/ring and possibly jar market.
>
> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars
> and lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>
> Ted

Had I known that Kraft made Sure-Jell, I'd not have bought any. Thanks
for pointing that out. While representing the company as a friend of
the consumer, Kraft has consistently lobbied against most, if not all,
legislation aimed at protecting the food supply and food safety. I
would therefore especially not trust Kraft to make safe products for
home food preservation.

Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0400, "Kathi Jones" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:39:51 -0400, "Kathi Jones" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
t...
>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>>>> That's why I generally buy Golden Harvest, even if they all are made by
>>>> the same company.
>>>
>>>I buy the GH because they are cheaper than the Bernardin jars, usually by
>>>2
>>>to 3 bucks. But when I need more lids, only Bernardin are available.
>>>
>>>Kathi
>>>
>>
>> And, if you have a Dollarama store in your area, they have the best
>> price by far on regular Bernardin lids, $1.00 a box. Home Hardware is
>> out to lunch at $1.99 for the same box.
>>
>> Ross.
>
>cool! Never looked at Dollarama, and yes, I have one. CP is booming - we
>even have a Wal-Mart Super store now...go figure. Are you talking about
>the 2 pieces, or just the lid, not the band?
>
>Kathi
>

Lids only, No band.

Ross.

> wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0400, "Kathi Jones" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:39:51 -0400, "Kathi Jones" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
et...
>>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>>>>> That's why I generally buy Golden Harvest, even if they all are made
>>>>> by
>>>>> the same company.
>>>>
>>>>I buy the GH because they are cheaper than the Bernardin jars, usually
>>>>by
>>>>2
>>>>to 3 bucks. But when I need more lids, only Bernardin are available.
>>>>
>>>>Kathi
>>>>
>>>
>>> And, if you have a Dollarama store in your area, they have the best
>>> price by far on regular Bernardin lids, $1.00 a box. Home Hardware is
>>> out to lunch at $1.99 for the same box.
>>>
>>> Ross.
>>
>>cool! Never looked at Dollarama, and yes, I have one. CP is booming - we
>>even have a Wal-Mart Super store now...go figure. Are you talking about
>>the 2 pieces, or just the lid, not the band?
>>
>>Kathi
>>
>
> Lids only, No band.
>
> Ross.

ok, thanks Ross, good to know!

Kathi, checking out the local Dollarama tomorrow!

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> Isabella Woodhouse wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
> >>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
> >> I prefer the lid says nothing.
> >
> > Me too. They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
> > most pens didn't work well. I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
> > the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
> > jelly jars.

> I use a black Sharpie to write on lids and there are circular labels you
> can buy that work on about any printer and most computers use the Avery
> Label template. Easy to work with or just stick the label on the lid and
> write on it. Check Walmart stationery aisle.

I have Sharpies but prefer to write on labels. I'll check at Walmart.
Thanks so much.
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

"Isabella Woodhouse" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>
>> > What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
>> > lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>
>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>
> Me too. They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
> most pens didn't work well. I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
> the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
> jelly jars.
>
> Isabella
>
I actually signed on to a website with a gal who made these labels, both
plain and fancy. A bit pricey, but pretty. Labelzine.com I think was the
website, I think. Never got any unwanted mailings or virus from them, but
too pricey for me.
Our Dutch Oven fancy cookstuff store has some nice labels, too. Or one
could investigate 2" or 2 1/4" circular labels from the office supply store.
I use cheapo plain address lables mashed on the front. I like plain glass
jars instead of the prettified ones.
Edrena

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...

>
> It's called a slotting fee and comes because there is a finite amount of
> space in a supermarket or store and it's all about the bottom line.
> Profit margins, I understand, are pretty slim for grocers so if they're
> going to make space available for an un-tried item, I guess they want
> compensation for it. Too bad it has to be like this. It is done here.
>

Whole Foods has long championed the fact that they do NOT accept
slotting fees - product placement on their store shelves is purely due
to customer demand of an item.

Only the larger grocers who order huge amounts can demand slotting
fees, so your small independent corner grocer likely isn't getting any
of that pie. But, no grocer can demand slotting fees for high-demand
items with strong brand identity, such as Coca Cola. Coke and Pepsi
can pay other ways, though. For example the local Haggen's here carry
both Coke and Pepsi - but, only Pepsi products are in the cooler that
is next to the deli counter. So if you go buy a sandwitch there and want
to drink Coke you have to walk the entire length of the market to the
other end of the store to get it, then walk back to where the tables are.

Ted

"The Joneses" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Isabella Woodhouse" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
> >>
> >> > What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars
and
> >> > lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
> >>
> >> I prefer the lid says nothing.
> >
> > Me too. They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
> > most pens didn't work well. I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
> > the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
> > jelly jars.
> >
> > Isabella
> >
> I actually signed on to a website with a gal who made these labels, both
> plain and fancy. A bit pricey, but pretty. Labelzine.com I think was the
> website, I think. Never got any unwanted mailings or virus from them, but
> too pricey for me.
> Our Dutch Oven fancy cookstuff store has some nice labels, too. Or one
> could investigate 2" or 2 1/4" circular labels from the office supply
store.
> I use cheapo plain address lables mashed on the front. I like plain glass
> jars instead of the prettified ones.
> Edrena
>

I use Sharpies also, although rarely. Mainly for stuff (like canned pears)
that I would never give away as demand from the family for it is too
great, and mainly to date it.

For my jams I usually don't date them. Each year the new batch goes
on the shelf in the basement and the remains of last years batch gets
moved to the side - and from that pile, goes all the stuff given to
casual friends and the church bazzar, etc. The family gets from the fresh
batch.

For the stuff that goes to the church bazzar what I do for labels is
I print them up on plain 8.5x11 office paper on a laser printer then
cut them out, and use rubber cement to glue them to the jars. I
put what it is on the top, my contact info, and on the bottom I
put a small label saying:

"please re-use jar for food storage or return to Ted at the church office"

I have actually gotten a number of them back this way. I don't
work for the church but the receptionist there knows me and
sets them aside for me.

The only problem with donating them to the bazzar is they have
no idea how to price them - the first year, they sold all 6 pints
I donated for around $5 for the lot, in something like the first
5 minutes. I was kind of irritated at that one, although the
folks who bought them told me a couple months later how
much they liked them.


Ted

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> "The Joneses" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Isabella Woodhouse" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars
> and
>>>>> lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>>>> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>>> Me too. They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
>>> most pens didn't work well. I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
>>> the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
>>> jelly jars.
>>>
>>> Isabella
>>>
>> I actually signed on to a website with a gal who made these labels, both
>> plain and fancy. A bit pricey, but pretty. Labelzine.com I think was the
>> website, I think. Never got any unwanted mailings or virus from them, but
>> too pricey for me.
>> Our Dutch Oven fancy cookstuff store has some nice labels, too. Or one
>> could investigate 2" or 2 1/4" circular labels from the office supply
> store.
>> I use cheapo plain address lables mashed on the front. I like plain glass
>> jars instead of the prettified ones.
>> Edrena
>>
>
> I use Sharpies also, although rarely. Mainly for stuff (like canned pears)
> that I would never give away as demand from the family for it is too
> great, and mainly to date it.
>
> For my jams I usually don't date them. Each year the new batch goes
> on the shelf in the basement and the remains of last years batch gets
> moved to the side - and from that pile, goes all the stuff given to
> casual friends and the church bazzar, etc. The family gets from the fresh
> batch.
>
> For the stuff that goes to the church bazzar what I do for labels is
> I print them up on plain 8.5x11 office paper on a laser printer then
> cut them out, and use rubber cement to glue them to the jars. I
> put what it is on the top, my contact info, and on the bottom I
> put a small label saying:
>
> "please re-use jar for food storage or return to Ted at the church office"
>
> I have actually gotten a number of them back this way. I don't
> work for the church but the receptionist there knows me and
> sets them aside for me.
>
> The only problem with donating them to the bazzar is they have
> no idea how to price them - the first year, they sold all 6 pints
> I donated for around $5 for the lot, in something like the first
> 5 minutes. I was kind of irritated at that one, although the
> folks who bought them told me a couple months later how
> much they liked them.
>
>
> Ted
>
>
Altar Society at our church had an auction last fall. Wife donated a
small painting, I donated an assortment of half-pints of jams and
jellies. Wife is well-known local artist, I am well-known ne'er-do-well
but both lots sold for over $100.00. The painting was probably worth
more, the jams and jellies were worth a lot less, at least that's my
opinion. Who knows what goes through auction bidder minds? The Shadow do!

"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> It's called a slotting fee and comes because there is a finite amount of
>> space in a supermarket or store and it's all about the bottom line.
>> Profit margins, I understand, are pretty slim for grocers so if they're
>> going to make space available for an un-tried item, I guess they want
>> compensation for it. Too bad it has to be like this. It is done here.
>>
>
> Whole Foods has long championed the fact that they do NOT accept
> slotting fees - product placement on their store shelves is purely due
> to customer demand of an item.

Do you thik this contributes at all to Whole Foods' pricing? AFAIK slotting
fees are not used here, but even so WF prices tend to be higher than regular
grocery stores. I shop there occasionally, and some of their products are
worth the extra cost, but some are not.

>
> Only the larger grocers who order huge amounts can demand slotting
> fees, so your small independent corner grocer likely isn't getting any
> of that pie. But, no grocer can demand slotting fees for high-demand
> items with strong brand identity, such as Coca Cola. Coke and Pepsi
> can pay other ways, though. For example the local Haggen's here carry
> both Coke and Pepsi - but, only Pepsi products are in the cooler that
> is next to the deli counter. So if you go buy a sandwitch there and want
> to drink Coke you have to walk the entire length of the market to the
> other end of the store to get it, then walk back to where the tables are.

I wonder how big a name a product has to have to avoid slotting fees. Many
years ago I worked for Keebler, and they paid slotting fees in certain parts
of the country.

Anny

On Aug 20, 8:24*pm, "The Joneses" > wrote:
> "Isabella Woodhouse" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> >> In article >,
> >> *"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote:
>
> >> > What it comes down to I think is will people pay extra for the jars and
> >> > lids to say Ball or Kerr on them?
>
> >> I prefer the lid says nothing.
>
> > Me too. *They used to have lines on them that you could write on but
> > most pens didn't work well. *I'd like pretty round stickers to come with
> > the lids that I could write on--- like the ones that came with the 12 oz
> > jelly jars.
>
> > Isabella
>
> I actually signed on to a website with a gal who made theselabels, both
> plain and fancy. A bit pricey, but pretty. *Labelzine.com I think was the
> website, I think. Never got any unwanted mailings or virus from them, but
> too pricey for me.
> * Our Dutch Oven fancy cookstuff store has some nicelabels, too. Or one
> could investigate 2" or 2 1/4" circularlabelsfrom the office supply store..
> I use cheapo plain address lables mashed on the front. I like plain glass
> jars instead of the prettified ones.
> Edrena- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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In article >,
"Anny Middon" > wrote:

> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
> ...

> > Whole Foods has long championed the fact that they do NOT accept
> > slotting fees - product placement on their store shelves is purely due
> > to customer demand of an item.
>
> Do you thik this contributes at all to Whole Foods' pricing? AFAIK slotting
> fees are not used here, but even so WF prices tend to be higher than regular
> grocery stores. I shop there occasionally, and some of their products are
> worth the extra cost, but some are not.

Check out their store brands next time you visit. Some are nicely
competitive with standard grocery brands. When we don't have the
garden, I tend to buy the majority of my produce there and they do have
a lot of gluten-free items too. Our other local grocery buys way too
much produce and lets it rot in the cases. Ugh. For instance, the
cucumbers are always--- and I do mean always--- full of dents, soft
spots or even mold.

Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

<snip>
On Aug 14, 7:33*am, George Shirley > wrote:
Wow! The last lids I got at Big Lots were Golden Harvest, regular
size,
and were 69 cents a box. I bought 10 boxes and used the last of them
last fall. Haven't seen any since then. Never thought of trying Dollar
General, we've got four or five in our town.
<snip>

I checked both Dollar General stores in town yesterday, no lids. In
fact, no jars either...

Gotta go to the "big city" (Houston) today for school and Monday for
my 2nd exam...might drop in and check @ Big Lots. I think the one in
Humble is still open...

Last of the pears to do this weekend and going to make the 1/2
watermelon left in the fridge for watermelon jam/jelly. Never have
made it but, sounds yummy. : - )

Mimi wrote:
> <snip>
> On Aug 14, 7:33 am, George Shirley > wrote:
> Wow! The last lids I got at Big Lots were Golden Harvest, regular
> size,
> and were 69 cents a box. I bought 10 boxes and used the last of them
> last fall. Haven't seen any since then. Never thought of trying Dollar
> General, we've got four or five in our town.
> <snip>
>
> I checked both Dollar General stores in town yesterday, no lids. In
> fact, no jars either...
>
> Gotta go to the "big city" (Houston) today for school and Monday for
> my 2nd exam...might drop in and check @ Big Lots. I think the one in
> Humble is still open...
The one in Humble is much larger than the one we shop at in Lake
Charles, LA.
>
> Last of the pears to do this weekend and going to make the 1/2
> watermelon left in the fridge for watermelon jam/jelly. Never have
> made it but, sounds yummy. : - )

I love watermelon but don't like a) watermelon preserves, b) watermelon
flavored gum or candy, only real watermelon for this ol' SE Texas boy.

On your list of reasons for a failed lid seal I think you missed a very important one.

f) Contaminated jar lip. Need to have a clean lip for a strong seal.