<http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
100209-s1.article>

Read it and weep.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
On the Road Again - It is Finished

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> 100209-s1.article>
>
> Read it and weep.

The sad part is that there will be a number of
people who read that article and not know to
stay far far away from the method described.

Not canning tomatoes? Geez, that's the number
one thing on my list when I have enough of a
harvest.

And I won't be trying her recipe either. :P

Nyssa, who learned long ago not to trust everything
you read in a newspaper

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> 100209-s1.article>
>
> Read it and weep.

Good grief. Is this the new "open kettle"?
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

Nyssa wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
>> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>> 100209-s1.article>
>>
>> Read it and weep.
>
> The sad part is that there will be a number of
> people who read that article and not know to
> stay far far away from the method described.
>
> Not canning tomatoes? Geez, that's the number
> one thing on my list when I have enough of a
> harvest.
>
> And I won't be trying her recipe either. :P
>
> Nyssa, who learned long ago not to trust everything
> you read in a newspaper
>
Or on the web. Some web sites are putting out recipes and methods that
are directly opposite from recommended methods from USDA.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> 100209-s1.article>
>
> Read it and weep.

Ouch.

Are you going to take them in hand?

B/

In article > ,
Brian Mailman > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> > 100209-s1.article>
> >
> > Read it and weep.
>
> Ouch.
>
> Are you going to take them in hand?
>
> B/

I'm considering it.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
On the Road Again - It is Finished

In article
>,
Isabella Woodhouse > wrote:

> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> > 100209-s1.article>
> >
> > Read it and weep.
>
> Good grief. Is this the new "open kettle"?

Sure is what it looks like to me. Another *possibility* is that the
writer screwed up and left out something important for the sake of word
count. Very often what is said is not what is reported, but I think I'm
being generous in this instance.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
On the Road Again - It is Finished

In article >, Nyssa > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> > 100209-s1.article>
> >
> > Read it and weep.
>
> The sad part is that there will be a number of
> people who read that article and not know to
> stay far far away from the method described.

Exactly.

>
> Not canning tomatoes? Geez, that's the number
> one thing on my list when I have enough of a
> harvest.
>
> And I won't be trying her recipe either. :P
>
> Nyssa, who learned long ago not to trust everything
> you read in a newspaper

Exactly.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
On the Road Again - It is Finished

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> 100209-s1.article>
>
> Read it and weep.
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
> On the Road Again - It is Finished

Yikes!

Where do people come up with these ideas? Putting the canning jars in the
oven and then not putting them in a boiling water bath to process? Does she
not understand the concept of the boiling water bath? Doesn't matter how
HOT the jars are when you put the stuff in them. That's not processing.

I would hope that no one else is following her methods, but I've seen lots
of weird stuff in the years I've been canning.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> 100209-s1.article>
>
> Read it and weep.
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ

She's right - it's not too hard, but why make it harder/more energy
consuming than necessary? It may be all the editor's fault tho, picking and
choosing sentences without *knowing.*
Being a total newbie, I studied for a couple years off and on before
letting any of my canned things out of the house, and from this group I see
most people seem to at least seek some advice.
And tomatoes being one of the safer bets around.
Oy.
Edrena

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:03:17 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

><http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>100209-s1.article>
>
>Read it and weep.

I can't get the link to work. What does it say please?

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:21:31 -0700, "Marilyn"
> wrote:

>"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
>> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>> 100209-s1.article>
>>
>> Read it and weep.
>> --
>> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>> http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
>> On the Road Again - It is Finished
>
>Yikes!
>
>Where do people come up with these ideas? Putting the canning jars in the
>oven and then not putting them in a boiling water bath to process? Does she
>not understand the concept of the boiling water bath? Doesn't matter how
>HOT the jars are when you put the stuff in them. That's not processing.
>
>I would hope that no one else is following her methods, but I've seen lots
>of weird stuff in the years I've been canning.
>
>
Ahhh, that is what the article was about. I wasn't able to get the
link to work. How does one can anything without using a boiling bath
or a pressure canner? That doesn't make sense at all. She is telling
people to use the oven? Not good in my opinion.

In article >,
Ozark Baby > wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:03:17 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote:
>
> ><http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/lifestyles/food/1191823,pp-canning-100209-s1.article>
> >
> >Read it and weep.
>
> I can't get the link to work. What does it say please?

I'll bet you broke the link at its wrap. Try this one:
<http://tinyurl.com/46wkz5>


--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, Thelma and Louise
On the Road Again - It is Finished

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:28:30 GMT, Ozark Baby wrote:

>I can't get the link to work. What does it say please?

Try this one:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/46wkz5
--
Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia
The planet is in a pickle, but fermenting will help save us

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:03:17 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

><http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>100209-s1.article>
>
>Read it and weep.

My local gardening group recently published an article on preserving by
microwave. "No special equipment needed". Just pop the old jam jars into
the microwave to heat them, with the lids on, then screw the lids on
tightly.

Palm, meet face.
--
Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia
"Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn"
- The Wee Book of Calvin

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:11:52 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Ozark Baby > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:03:17 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
>> > wrote:
>>
>> ><http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/lifestyles/food/1191823,pp-canning-100209-s1.article>
>> >
>> >Read it and weep.
>>
>> I can't get the link to work. What does it say please?
>
>I'll bet you broke the link at its wrap. Try this one:
><http://tinyurl.com/46wkz5>

holy moo cow even **I*** know better then this. Even "back in the day"
they advised against it. Here's a direct quote from the 1943 (yes 43)
Ball Blue Book:

"Oven Canning" - We Do Not Recommend. Directions and time tables are
given ...... but it must be understood that this method is unreliable
and that we cannot accept responsibility for food spoilage...."

OTHO, my dad's #3 wife is so thrilled I wanted her extra canning jars.
Then I find out they are bail/glass tops. Of course I'll love them,
and use them for other things... lol

snow

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article > ,
> Brian Mailman > wrote:
>
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>> > 100209-s1.article>
>> >
>> > Read it and weep.
>>
>> Ouch.
>>
>> Are you going to take them in hand?
>
> I'm considering it.

It seems to me that if the directions were followed *exactly,* and at
sea level, there's a minimus of harm what with hot glass, boiling
liquids, etc. How-eh-VAH, any variation from that....

B/

"Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
m...
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> In article > ,
>> Brian Mailman > wrote:
>>
>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>>> > 100209-s1.article>
>>> >
>>> > Read it and weep.
>>>
>>> Ouch.
>>>
>>> Are you going to take them in hand?
>>
>> I'm considering it.
>
> It seems to me that if the directions were followed *exactly,* and at sea
> level, there's a minimus of harm what with hot glass, boiling liquids,
> etc. How-eh-VAH, any variation from that....
>
> B/

It just sounds like too much margin for error there. If you start giving an
inch, next thing you know, they'll start think they can take other
shortcuts. Next thing you know, people will be back to making the dreaded
"cake in a jar" because after all, that's got hot jars in the oven, too.

Oh, geez, I just googled "cake in a jar" and it seems to be an epidemic. I
know that once upon a time I had a link to somewhere like the University of
Utah extension where all the reasons for not doing this were given. Okay, I
did some digging and here's the link once again for those who are
interested.

http://extension.usu.edu/files/publi...008_(2007).pdf

-Marilyn
who doesn't take chances or shortcuts in preserving

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Isabella Woodhouse > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> >
> > > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
> > > 100209-s1.article>
> > >
> > > Read it and weep.
> >
> > Good grief. Is this the new "open kettle"?
>
> Sure is what it looks like to me. Another *possibility* is that the
> writer screwed up and left out something important for the sake of word
> count. Very often what is said is not what is reported, but I think I'm
> being generous in this instance.

Or maybe even edited out. I can see, now, why the Extension Service
people are really worried about the increase in home preserving. They
are worried that some well-meaning but ill-informed person will toss
some jars in the oven, cook up a batch of beans, throw the beans in the
hot jars and seal 'em up. Botulism waiting to happen.

Lots of people have had no exposure to home canning and could easily
assume that anything published in a newspaper food section article must
be accurate. They should think again what with these days of
bare-bones, no-fact-checking reporting.
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

Isabella Woodhouse wrote:
> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>> In article
>> >,
>> Isabella Woodhouse > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>>>
>>>> <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>>>> 100209-s1.article>
>>>>
>>>> Read it and weep.
>>> Good grief. Is this the new "open kettle"?
>> Sure is what it looks like to me. Another *possibility* is that the
>> writer screwed up and left out something important for the sake of word
>> count. Very often what is said is not what is reported, but I think I'm
>> being generous in this instance.
>
> Or maybe even edited out. I can see, now, why the Extension Service
> people are really worried about the increase in home preserving. They
> are worried that some well-meaning but ill-informed person will toss
> some jars in the oven, cook up a batch of beans, throw the beans in the
> hot jars and seal 'em up. Botulism waiting to happen.
>
> Lots of people have had no exposure to home canning and could easily
> assume that anything published in a newspaper food section article must
> be accurate. They should think again what with these days of
> bare-bones, no-fact-checking reporting.

The only thing we can be assured of is that the gene pool will be
cleansed of another small group of idiots. Hopefully before they reproduce.

I have to watch my granddaughter-in-law like a hawk. She will jump on
anything she sees in a paper, a woman's magazine, or that a "friend"
tells her and then attempt to do it. Raised by grandparents who didn't
do much, ate at fast food joints, and spent most of their time shopping
at Walmart. Not this set of grandparents but her set.

"Isabella Woodhouse" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>> In article
>> >,
>> Isabella Woodhouse > wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>> >
>> > > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>> > > 100209-s1.article>
>> > >
>> > > Read it and weep.
>> >
>> > Good grief. Is this the new "open kettle"?
>>
>> Sure is what it looks like to me. Another *possibility* is that the
>> writer screwed up and left out something important for the sake of word
>> count. Very often what is said is not what is reported, but I think I'm
>> being generous in this instance.
>
> Or maybe even edited out. I can see, now, why the Extension Service
> people are really worried about the increase in home preserving. They
> are worried that some well-meaning but ill-informed person will toss
> some jars in the oven, cook up a batch of beans, throw the beans in the
> hot jars and seal 'em up. Botulism waiting to happen.
>
> Lots of people have had no exposure to home canning and could easily
> assume that anything published in a newspaper food section article must
> be accurate. They should think again what with these days of
> bare-bones, no-fact-checking reporting.

Go back and read the article again. I don't think anything has been edited
out.

"Wiens places jars, which should first be boiled along with rims and lids
for at least 10 minutes, in water that stays at 180 degrees or higher, on
their sides in an oven to heat them to 230 degrees. She takes them out, one
at a time, and fills them immediately with the boiling hot, cooked and
seasoned food.

Wiens' oven-based method replaces the boiling-water-on-the-stovetop
operation she learned as a child growing up in Germany and Canada where she
helped her mother and grandmother can foods. "

Says right there that her method REPLACES the BWB. And none of her recipes
say to put the jars in a water bath.

Another phrase I don't like is "fills them immediately with the boiling hot,
cooked and seasoned food". It doesn't say that this is food that's acid
enough to not be in a pressure canner. From this, you could get the
impression that you could put anything you want in those jars. Fruit,
vegetables, meat.

And not canning tomatoes because it's more dangerous? That's preposterous.
Tomatoes are probably one of the safest thing to can, outside of jams and
jellies, as long as you add the lemon juice to make sure you have the right
acid content, and you BWB them.

"Marilyn" > wrote in message
...
> "Brian Mailman" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> In article > ,
>>> Brian Mailman > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>> > <http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston...23,pp-canning-
>>>> > 100209-s1.article>
>>>> >
>>>> > Read it and weep.
>>>>
>>>> Ouch.
>>>>
>>>> Are you going to take them in hand?
>>>
>>> I'm considering it.
>>
>> It seems to me that if the directions were followed *exactly,* and at sea
>> level, there's a minimus of harm what with hot glass, boiling liquids,
>> etc. How-eh-VAH, any variation from that....
>>
>> B/
>
> It just sounds like too much margin for error there. If you start giving
> an inch, next thing you know, they'll start think they can take other
> shortcuts. Next thing you know, people will be back to making the dreaded
> "cake in a jar" because after all, that's got hot jars in the oven, too.
>
> Oh, geez, I just googled "cake in a jar" and it seems to be an epidemic.
> I know that once upon a time I had a link to somewhere like the University
> of Utah extension where all the reasons for not doing this were given.
> Okay, I did some digging and here's the link once again for those who are
> interested.
>
> http://extension.usu.edu/files/publi...008_(2007).pdf

I don't believe this! I just did a quick search for "cake in a jar" and
came up with all sorts of hits. Sure enough, the cake is baked in the
canning jars (from mix or scratch) and the lids and rings put on after
baking. This is scary stuff!

I had seen reference to cake in a jar and always assumed it was some sort of
dry mix. Guess I was wrong!

I remember my very first attempt at canning. I can't remember all of the
specifics except that I had cute little jars, used paraffin on the top AND
lids and rings and didn't have a canner. I was baffled as to why nothing
sealed. At least I had the sense to give all but one jar away and tell
people to put it in the fridge and use it immediately. I didn't have a
canning book then. I do collect cookbooks (mostly vintage) so I must have
gotten some cockamamie idea from one of them on how to use up berries.

It has been almost 30 years since that one attempt. Only took it back up
when we moved to this house with the fruit trees. This time I bought books
and checked in here before I canned a thing! But I can imagine how many
fools there are out there who will try something just because they read it
on the Internet.

George Shirley wrote:

> I have to watch my granddaughter-in-law like a hawk. She will jump on
> anything she sees in a paper, a woman's magazine, or that a "friend"
> tells her and then attempt to do it. Raised by grandparents who didn't
> do much, ate at fast food joints, and spent most of their time shopping
> at Walmart. Not this set of grandparents but her set.

If she's in her 20's it's part of the "Millenials" (what they call the
youngest at this time generation) mindset. They don't do their own
research, but rely on what they're told since they're so plugged in with
text messaging, instant messaging, email, google/search engines, etc.
and plugged in every waking moment.

I've run into it before. They just don't believe that someone,
somewhere, had to have the original thought on their own and indeed,
they don't know how to think.

B/

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> Isabella Woodhouse wrote:
> >
> > Or maybe even edited out. I can see, now, why the Extension Service
> > people are really worried about the increase in home preserving. They
> > are worried that some well-meaning but ill-informed person will toss
> > some jars in the oven, cook up a batch of beans, throw the beans in the
> > hot jars and seal 'em up. Botulism waiting to happen.
> >
> > Lots of people have had no exposure to home canning and could easily
> > assume that anything published in a newspaper food section article must
> > be accurate. They should think again what with these days of
> > bare-bones, no-fact-checking reporting.
>
> The only thing we can be assured of is that the gene pool will be
> cleansed of another small group of idiots. Hopefully before they reproduce.

Well I like your cup-half-full viewpoint here. Heh.

> I have to watch my granddaughter-in-law like a hawk. She will jump on
> anything she sees in a paper, a woman's magazine, or that a "friend"
> tells her and then attempt to do it. Raised by grandparents who didn't
> do much, ate at fast food joints, and spent most of their time shopping
> at Walmart. Not this set of grandparents but her set.

Thank goodness she has you to help set her straight!
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

Isabella Woodhouse wrote:
> In article >,
> George Shirley > wrote:
>
>> Isabella Woodhouse wrote:
>>> Or maybe even edited out. I can see, now, why the Extension Service
>>> people are really worried about the increase in home preserving. They
>>> are worried that some well-meaning but ill-informed person will toss
>>> some jars in the oven, cook up a batch of beans, throw the beans in the
>>> hot jars and seal 'em up. Botulism waiting to happen.
>>>
>>> Lots of people have had no exposure to home canning and could easily
>>> assume that anything published in a newspaper food section article must
>>> be accurate. They should think again what with these days of
>>> bare-bones, no-fact-checking reporting.
>> The only thing we can be assured of is that the gene pool will be
>> cleansed of another small group of idiots. Hopefully before they reproduce.
>
> Well I like your cup-half-full viewpoint here. Heh.
>
>> I have to watch my granddaughter-in-law like a hawk. She will jump on
>> anything she sees in a paper, a woman's magazine, or that a "friend"
>> tells her and then attempt to do it. Raised by grandparents who didn't
>> do much, ate at fast food joints, and spent most of their time shopping
>> at Walmart. Not this set of grandparents but her set.
>
> Thank goodness she has you to help set her straight!
We can't help her Isabella, she doesn't listen. I'm sure you've met a
twenty-something youngster who knows it all once or twice.