http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...nion-rightrail

Enshrine This Burger
If the site of the first McDonald's is commemorated, why not In-N-Out?

By Mark Kendall

September 5, 2006

BACK IN MY '80s high school days, In-N-Out Burger hadn't yet reached
our semirural Santa Clarita Valley, north of Los Angeles. So during
lunch period we would do the Double-Double dash - speed 10 miles to
the real Valley in San Fernando to wolf down one of those mysteriously
perfect twin-patty burgers before hustling back for class.

Today, these hunter-gatherer adventures are no more. In-N-Out has more
than 200 locations; three in no-longer-rural Santa Clarita alone. You
can down a Double-Double in Las Vegas, Phoenix or even - this hurts
- San Francisco. The family-owned chain has been successful enough to
spawn a famous commercial jingle, earn several loving write-ups in the
New York Times and have its burgers served to A-list celebs at swanky
post-Oscar parties.

The great taste hasn't changed, but the mystique that inspired our
carnivorous cross-valley quests sure has. The earlier, spartan
drive-throughs, which once kept us at arm's length, a sheet of glass
sealing off the inner sanctum where clean-cut workers frenetically
packed the grill with meat patties, has given way to brightly lighted
indoor seating no different from the national fast-food chains. The
fabled secret menu, for years passed around solely by word of mouth,
giving those of us in the know an easy way to separate the true
In-N-Out fan - and true Southern Californian - from the wannabes
.... well, the Web ended all that.

How can we preserve that vanishing sense of wonder while giving proper
respect to the important role In-N-Out has played in postwar SoCal
culture? An idea came to me a few months back while driving on the 10
Freeway, when I glimpsed a well-worn yellow-arrow sign, bearing a
quaint pre-digital clock.

It was there, in Baldwin Park, where Harry and Esther Snyder started it
all back in 1948, according to the company's website. (The original
hamburger stand was demolished when the 10 Freeway came through; this
site was its replacement.)

The old store, though, has been closed and gated off since 2004,
replaced by a much snazzier restaurant just on the other side of the
freeway at the same Francisquito Avenue exit. Next door stands the
two-story "In-N-Out University" managerial training center and company
store, selling such items as ski caps and beach towels emblazoned with
the chain's name.

Company honchos have told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune that they plan
to preserve the building, and there was even talk of a museum, but I
envision something more - a full-blown In-N-Out shrine. We don't do a
good job commemorating the innovative fast-food chains that Southern
California has unleashed on the world. Carl's Jr. launched from
Anaheim; Jack in the Box sprang out of San Diego. Del Taco first heated
up the fast-food scene in the desert outskirts of Barstow; Taco Bell's
Glen Bell got his start selling hot dogs in San Bernardino, the same
city that gave us McDonald's.

At least the site of the original Mickey D's is now commemorated,
though not by the company itself. Fast-food entrepreneur Albert Okura,
who operates the local Juan Pollo rotisserie chicken chain, owns the
building and uses it to house his corporate offices and an unofficial
McDonald's museum. Okura dreams that his chain, which has more than 30
units, will someday become the world's largest. "That's my destiny," he
says.

If the birthplace of mundane McDonald's can nurture dreams, just think
what inspirational powers would be unlocked by an In-N-Out shrine. It
could be old-fashioned, like the chain, with folksy docents serving up
homespun stories. Or maybe actors would earnestly re-create the early
days, when the Snyders and original business partner Charles Noddin
endured "cold, smoggy nights" as they sold 2,000 burgers their first
month, according to the book "The Heritage of Baldwin Park." Or maybe
it could be fully 21st century, with touch-screens, animatronics and an
interactive grill "experience." Either way, I can see buses shuttling
tourists between store No. 1 and the San Gabriel Valley's other great
attraction, the giant drive-through Donut Hole in nearby La Puente.

When I contacted In-N-Out's marketing department with a few questions
(which they requested in writing), the replies were terse. "We don't
have any plans for the closed store #1," wrote spokeswoman Michelle
Guzman.

She had served up a riddle. I pondered her enigmatic answer.

It came to me. Just look at the simple menu of burgers, shakes and
fries. The In-N-Out folks are masters of minimalism. What if they
skipped the bric-a-brac and gimmicks and just let the old store slide
into a mysterious ruin? Keep the grill's pilot light burning in an
eternal flame. Keep the cult following alive.

As the decades pass and In-N-Out's empire envelops the globe, burger
lovers would come from far and wide to glimpse this intriguing roadside
relic, an American Parthenon, summoning all the grandeur of Ancient
Grease.

-------------------

MARK KENDALL wrote the "Fast Food Dude" column for the Riverside
Press-Enterprise from 2001 to 2004.

In article .com>, "Joe
Gillis" > wrote:

>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...nion-rightrail
>
>Enshrine This Burger
>If the site of the first McDonald's is commemorated, why not In-N-Out?
>
>By Mark Kendall
>
>September 5, 2006
>
>BACK IN MY '80s high school days, In-N-Out Burger hadn't yet reached
>our semirural Santa Clarita Valley, north of Los Angeles. So during
>lunch period we would do the Double-Double dash - speed 10 miles to
>the real Valley in San Fernando to wolf down one of those mysteriously
>perfect twin-patty burgers before hustling back for class.

Joe,

Did you ever eat at the Backwoods Inn on old Hwy 14?

[snip]

--
charles

Ha! Check out this pictu

http://www.route-66.com/mcdonalds/images/1948-A.jpg

Looks like they edged out a BBQ joint!

Ned Buntline wrote:

> Ha! Check out this pictu
>
> http://www.route-66.com/mcdonalds/images/1948-A.jpg
>
> Looks like they edged out a BBQ joint!
>
>

"None sold -- yet."


Dana

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:49:15 GMT, "Ned Buntline"
> wrote:

>Ha! Check out this pictu
>
>http://www.route-66.com/mcdonalds/images/1948-A.jpg
>
>Looks like they edged out a BBQ joint!
>
That was their previous endeavor at the same location.

Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.

Joe Gillis wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...nion-rightrail
>
> Enshrine This Burger
> If the site of the first McDonald's is commemorated, why not In-N-Out?
>
> By Mark Kendall
>
> September 5, 2006
>
> BACK IN MY '80s high school days, In-N-Out Burger hadn't yet reached
> our semirural Santa Clarita Valley, north of Los Angeles. So during
> lunch period we would do the Double-Double dash - speed 10 miles to
> the real Valley in San Fernando to wolf down one of those mysteriously
> perfect twin-patty burgers before hustling back for class.
>
> Today, these hunter-gatherer adventures are no more. In-N-Out has more
> than 200 locations; three in no-longer-rural Santa Clarita alone. You
> can down a Double-Double in Las Vegas, Phoenix or even - this hurts
> - San Francisco. The family-owned chain has been successful enough to
> spawn a famous commercial jingle, earn several loving write-ups in the
> New York Times and have its burgers served to A-list celebs at swanky
> post-Oscar parties.
>
> The great taste hasn't changed, but the mystique that inspired our
> carnivorous cross-valley quests sure has. The earlier, spartan
> drive-throughs, which once kept us at arm's length, a sheet of glass
> sealing off the inner sanctum where clean-cut workers frenetically
> packed the grill with meat patties, has given way to brightly lighted
> indoor seating no different from the national fast-food chains. The
> fabled secret menu, for years passed around solely by word of mouth,
> giving those of us in the know an easy way to separate the true
> In-N-Out fan - and true Southern Californian - from the wannabes
> ... well, the Web ended all that.
>
> How can we preserve that vanishing sense of wonder while giving proper
> respect to the important role In-N-Out has played in postwar SoCal
> culture? An idea came to me a few months back while driving on the 10
> Freeway, when I glimpsed a well-worn yellow-arrow sign, bearing a
> quaint pre-digital clock.
>
> It was there, in Baldwin Park, where Harry and Esther Snyder started it
> all back in 1948, according to the company's website. (The original
> hamburger stand was demolished when the 10 Freeway came through; this
> site was its replacement.)
>
> The old store, though, has been closed and gated off since 2004,
> replaced by a much snazzier restaurant just on the other side of the
> freeway at the same Francisquito Avenue exit. Next door stands the
> two-story "In-N-Out University" managerial training center and company
> store, selling such items as ski caps and beach towels emblazoned with
> the chain's name.
>
> Company honchos have told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune that they plan
> to preserve the building, and there was even talk of a museum, but I
> envision something more - a full-blown In-N-Out shrine. We don't do a
> good job commemorating the innovative fast-food chains that Southern
> California has unleashed on the world. Carl's Jr. launched from
> Anaheim; Jack in the Box sprang out of San Diego. Del Taco first heated
> up the fast-food scene in the desert outskirts of Barstow; Taco Bell's
> Glen Bell got his start selling hot dogs in San Bernardino, the same
> city that gave us McDonald's.
>
> At least the site of the original Mickey D's is now commemorated,
> though not by the company itself. Fast-food entrepreneur Albert Okura,
> who operates the local Juan Pollo rotisserie chicken chain, owns the
> building and uses it to house his corporate offices and an unofficial
> McDonald's museum. Okura dreams that his chain, which has more than 30
> units, will someday become the world's largest. "That's my destiny," he
> says.
>
> If the birthplace of mundane McDonald's can nurture dreams, just think
> what inspirational powers would be unlocked by an In-N-Out shrine. It
> could be old-fashioned, like the chain, with folksy docents serving up
> homespun stories. Or maybe actors would earnestly re-create the early
> days, when the Snyders and original business partner Charles Noddin
> endured "cold, smoggy nights" as they sold 2,000 burgers their first
> month, according to the book "The Heritage of Baldwin Park." Or maybe
> it could be fully 21st century, with touch-screens, animatronics and an
> interactive grill "experience." Either way, I can see buses shuttling
> tourists between store No. 1 and the San Gabriel Valley's other great
> attraction, the giant drive-through Donut Hole in nearby La Puente.
>
> When I contacted In-N-Out's marketing department with a few questions
> (which they requested in writing), the replies were terse. "We don't
> have any plans for the closed store #1," wrote spokeswoman Michelle
> Guzman.
>
> She had served up a riddle. I pondered her enigmatic answer.
>
> It came to me. Just look at the simple menu of burgers, shakes and
> fries. The In-N-Out folks are masters of minimalism. What if they
> skipped the bric-a-brac and gimmicks and just let the old store slide
> into a mysterious ruin? Keep the grill's pilot light burning in an
> eternal flame. Keep the cult following alive.
>
> As the decades pass and In-N-Out's empire envelops the globe, burger
> lovers would come from far and wide to glimpse this intriguing roadside
> relic, an American Parthenon, summoning all the grandeur of Ancient
> Grease.
>
> -------------------
>
> MARK KENDALL wrote the "Fast Food Dude" column for the Riverside
> Press-Enterprise from 2001 to 2004.
>

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:33:28 GMT, Glenn > wrote:

>Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.

Google on "Animal 57" for the whole story.

--
If we could live without passion maybe we'd know some kind of peace, but we
would be hollow. Empty rooms, shuttered and dank. Without passion we'd be truly dead.
--David Boreanaz as Angel in "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"

Glenn wrote:
> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>
The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ. The well-known foodie Paris Hilton,
who once did a tv add for a different burger chain, was arrested
recently for driving erratically, which turned out to be DUI, and her
excuse was that she was just so hungry she was hurrying to an In-N-Out
Burger. -aem

"aem" > wrote

> The well-known foodie Paris Hilton,
> who once did a tv add for a different burger chain, was arrested
> recently for driving erratically, which turned out to be DUI, and her
> excuse was that she was just so hungry she was hurrying to an In-N-Out
> Burger.

Heh, she probably should have had more to eat when she
went out to dinner with her sister, earlier.

nancy

aem wrote:
> Glenn wrote:
>> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>>
> The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
> few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.

Let us re-phrase that... "The most trendy fast burger chain". Due to
overall popularity, profitability and gross numbers McDonalds should be
considered the best.

As far as taste, I admit the In and Out is a "tasty burger" but in LA
there are many small joints owned by Greeks, Arabs and other immigrants
that would kick ass on most in and out burgers.

Sonoran Dude wrote:
> As far as taste, I admit the In and Out is a "tasty burger" but in LA
> there are many small joints owned by Greeks, Arabs and other immigrants
> that would kick ass on most in and out burgers.

This reminds me of that burger joint in LA on Santa Monica Blvd. at
Robertson. Can't remember the name of the place but the burgers they
sold were fantastically tasty!

Wayno
http://www.nstmyosenji.org

Wayno wrote:
> Sonoran Dude wrote:
> > As far as taste, I admit the In and Out is a "tasty burger" but in LA
> > there are many small joints owned by Greeks, Arabs and other immigrants
> > that would kick ass on most in and out burgers.
>
> This reminds me of that burger joint in LA on Santa Monica Blvd. at
> Robertson. Can't remember the name of the place but the burgers they
> sold were fantastically tasty!
>
> Wayno
> http://www.nstmyosenji.org

Is this the same Doyle ass licker from RGP? Sadly we meet on a
celebrity gossip usenet. I just moved to Vegas 2 weeks ago. On my
first night I played at the Wynn and saw the worst live cheating event
in my poker history. It was almost the first cheating I have seen
live. Of course according to you there is no cheating in poker.
Since my 1st night in Vegas experience every local person I have told
the Wynn story to has related several other cheating stories. Even
Doyle admitted the poker hall of fame Johnny Moss was a cheat. Why did
Doyle play so many years with a CHEAT? Hard to guess - you piece of
shit. How did Chip make sure Spilatro got his money every month? They
are both great poker players even if they pulled a few moves/cheats.
You on the other hand are a repeat - piece of shit - who makes me sick.
I hope Gordan Gano smashes you over the head with a guitar.

Sonoran Dude wrote:
> aem wrote:
>
> > The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
> > few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.
>
> Let us re-phrase that... "The most trendy fast burger chain". Due to
> overall popularity, profitability and gross numbers McDonalds should be
> considered the best.
>
> As far as taste, I admit the In and Out is a "tasty burger" but in LA
> there are many small joints owned by Greeks, Arabs and other immigrants
> that would kick ass on most in and out burgers.

When I say "best chain" I mean the chain where I willingly will eat
from time to time. When it comes to burgers In-N-Out is actually the
only chain I patronize. Other chains may do bigger grosses but they're
not "good," let alone "best." Certainly there are innumerable small
non-chain joints, some of which may make tasty burgers, but many of
them make lousy burgers, too. Sometimes you enjoy the uncertain hunt,
other times you want the certainty of the chain product.

As to the other poster's comment about (unobtrusive) biblical phrases
on the paper wrappings, they are just as easy to ignore as fortune
cookies and astrological fortune telling that you might find elsewhere.
Perhaps less useful, but that's a thread for some other group. -aem

On 13 Sep 2006 15:46:44 -0700, "aem" > wrote:

>As to the other poster's comment about (unobtrusive) biblical phrases
>on the paper wrappings, they are just as easy to ignore as fortune
>cookies and astrological fortune telling that you might find elsewhere.
> Perhaps less useful, but that's a thread for some other group.

You're probably right about the fortune cookies being less useful.
Difficult to wrap a hamburger in them, that's for sure.

--
If we could live without passion maybe we'd know some kind of peace, but we
would be hollow. Empty rooms, shuttered and dank. Without passion we'd be truly dead.
--David Boreanaz as Angel in "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"

aem wrote:
> Glenn wrote:
> > Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> > the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
> >
> The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
> few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.


Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
with Bible citations.

In article . com>,
"Bermuda999" > wrote:

> aem wrote:
> > Glenn wrote:
> > > Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> > > the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
> > >
> > The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
> > few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.
>
>
> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
> with Bible citations.

....and counter help who are polite, efficient, speak intelligible
English, don't have 17 facial piercings, Halloween make-up and dreds,
and who will never be on cell phones or yakking with friends at the
expense of customer service. I don't know how they do it, but it just
never happens there. For this, I can overlook a few John 3:17-ish
markings on wrappers.


Karen

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:31:18 -0700, Karen M >
wrote:

>In article . com>,
> "Bermuda999" > wrote:
>
>> aem wrote:
>> > Glenn wrote:
>> > > Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>> > > the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>> > >
>> > The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
>> > few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.
>>
>>
>> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
>> with Bible citations.
>
>...and counter help who are polite, efficient, speak intelligible
>English, don't have 17 facial piercings, Halloween make-up and dreds,
>and who will never be on cell phones or yakking with friends at the
>expense of customer service. I don't know how they do it, but it just
>never happens there. For this, I can overlook a few John 3:17-ish
>markings on wrappers.
>
>
>Karen

How they do it is that they pay their help well over minimum wage -
the local store had a "now hiring" poster up a couple of weeks ago -
starting pay was $12.50 per hour.

Karen M wrote:

For this, I can overlook a few John 3:17-ish
> markings on wrappers.
>


Huh. I know John 3:16, but the next verse isn't anywhere near as well
publicized. I've got a KJV on my desk, but I'm wondering if anyone here
can cite John 3:17 from memory?

Dana

Karen M said:
> In article . com>,
> "Bermuda999" > wrote:
>
>> aem wrote:
>>> Glenn wrote:
>>>> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I
>>>> live in the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard
>>>> of it.
>>>>
>>> The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal
>>> with a few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.
>>
>>
>> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
>> with Bible citations.
>
> ...and counter help who are polite, efficient, speak intelligible
> English, don't have 17 facial piercings, Halloween make-up and dreds,
> and who will never be on cell phones or yakking with friends at the
> expense of customer service. I don't know how they do it, but it just
> never happens there. For this, I can overlook a few John 3:17-ish
> markings on wrappers.
>
>
> Karen

AMEN SISTAH!

--
The AnsaMan
The third-rate mind is only happy when
it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate
mind is only happy when it is thinking
with the minority. The first-rate mind
is only happy when it is thinking. - A.A. Milne
The AnsaMan Wiki http://wiki.ansaman.com

Bermuda999 wrote:
>
> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
> with Bible citations.


Oh Jesus.
Isn't anything off-limits to these people?


-L.

-L. wrote:
> Bermuda999 wrote:
>> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
>> with Bible citations.
>
>
> Oh Jesus.
> Isn't anything off-limits to these people?

Does that mean if you see aa Arab eating an In-N-Out burger you need to call
Homeland Security?

On 13 Sep 2006 21:34:35 -0700, "-L." > wrote:

>
>Bermuda999 wrote:
>>
>> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
>> with Bible citations.
>
>Oh Jesus.
>Isn't anything off-limits to these people?
>
Just because the founder of In-and-Out were black is no reason to use
a disparaging phrase like "these people."

--
If we could live without passion maybe we'd know some kind of peace, but we
would be hollow. Empty rooms, shuttered and dank. Without passion we'd be truly dead.
--David Boreanaz as Angel in "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"

On 13 Sep 2006 21:34:35 -0700, "-L." > wrote:

>
>Bermuda999 wrote:
>>
>> Semi-famous for using cups and burger wrappers marked (inobtrusively)
>> with Bible citations.
>
>
>Oh Jesus.
>Isn't anything off-limits to these people?
>
>
>-L.


Freedom OF religion in no way requires freedom FROM religion.

If you are offended, vote with your feet and/or your wallet. That's
about the only options I can see that would be realistic.

In article . com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Glenn wrote:
> > Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> > the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
> >
> The best fast burger chain, family owned, still limited to SoCal with a
> few outcroppings in Nevada and AZ.

They've expanded to Northern California in a big way:

http://www.in-n-out.com/locations_map.asp

There's one a couple of miles from my house that opened recently. Never
eaten there. There's one close to where I worked for many years. Never
ate there either. I've eaten at one a couple of times while traveling.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

"Glenn" > wrote in message
. ..
> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>

Big out west. OK, but not anything to brag about.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Glenn" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>>
>
> Big out west. OK, but not anything to brag about.
>
>
Some bi-coastal friends say they're much like Checkers. I prefer
Whataburger. One of the nastiest burgers around has to be Steak 'n' Shake.

--

Tim W

"Glenn" > wrote in message
. ..
> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.


It's a fast food chain, found primarily in Southern California. Take heart
in not knowing about it; I've spent practically my whole life in Texas and
never heard of In-n-Out Burger either, until I visited Los Angeles just a
couple of years ago. It's absolutely unknown over here because we've got
Whataburger, and California folks don't.

In-n-Out Burger gets its name, I think, from the interesting way they serve
their food. The restaurants are built so that they can serve two lanes of
cars at once; one booth, with windows on either side, so the staff can
continuously serve customers. Think of a combination toll booth and burger
joint. Their burgers are pretty good, too.

There are several regional chains of fast-food joints, and there are some
good web sites dedicated to this topic. There are no White Castle
restaurants in Texas, and I never heard of them until ABC News did a story
about their popularity well over a decade ago. I did not know what they
were talking about then, and in fact to this day I still have never been to
one. Krystal's, though, is close enough to White Castle to be a clone, I'm
told; I really like Krystal's burgers but until recently I had to go to
Memphis for them, because they're based primarily in the Deep South while
White Castle is in the Midwest and Northeast (right?). Krystal's is just
now making inroads into Texas; there is one in far north Dallas, and one
just opened up down the road in Grand Prairie... the line went out the door
the day they opened.

I thought Jack in the Box was a nationwide chain, but I've heard they don't
exist in Chicago.

Note: I visited Melbourne, Australia earlier this year and they've got
McDonald's (slightly different menu) and KFC. They also have Burger King,
but it's called "Hungry Jack's" down there.

"Matt J. McCullar" > wrote in message
> Note: I visited Melbourne, Australia earlier this year and they've got
> McDonald's (slightly different menu) and KFC. They also have Burger King,
> but it's called "Hungry Jack's" down there.

McD's is most every place in the world and Burger King is not far behind. I
had to laugh while taking the Vaporetto down the Grand Canal of Venice, we
passed a boat (looked like a barge) that is used to supply the McDonalds
there. Sure seemed out of place.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt J. McCullar" > wrote in message
>> Note: I visited Melbourne, Australia earlier this year and they've got
>> McDonald's (slightly different menu) and KFC. They also have Burger King,
>> but it's called "Hungry Jack's" down there.
>
> McD's is most every place in the world and Burger King is not far behind. I
> had to laugh while taking the Vaporetto down the Grand Canal of Venice, we
> passed a boat (looked like a barge) that is used to supply the McDonalds
> there. Sure seemed out of place.

Yes, you can get greasy cardboard circles almost anywhere in the world now days.

Matt J. McCullar wrote:
> "Glenn" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>
>
> It's a fast food chain, found primarily in Southern California. Take heart
> in not knowing about it; I've spent practically my whole life in Texas and
> never heard of In-n-Out Burger either, until I visited Los Angeles just a
> couple of years ago. It's absolutely unknown over here because we've got
> Whataburger, and California folks don't.
>

Whataburger tried to make it out here in CA, but didn't.

Jon Nadelberg wrote:

> Matt J. McCullar wrote:
>
>> "Glenn" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>>> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>>> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a fast food chain, found primarily in Southern California. Take
>> heart
>> in not knowing about it; I've spent practically my whole life in Texas
>> and
>> never heard of In-n-Out Burger either, until I visited Los Angeles just a
>> couple of years ago. It's absolutely unknown over here because we've got
>> Whataburger, and California folks don't.
>>
>
> Whataburger tried to make it out here in CA, but didn't.
>
There's something wrong with their time line, or else there
was another chain with the same name:
"Eventually, in 1959, Harmon Dobson would expand outside Texas with
Whataburger #21 opening in Pensacola, Florida."

I distinctly remember eating at Whataburger in Gainesville,
Florida when they opened a new store on NW 13th street in
very late 1958. At 35 cents for a full quarter-pounder, with
lots of lettuce, tomato, and onion, on a 5-inch bun, it made
a lunch within my student budget. If I was feeling particularly
rich I would top it off by going across the street and getting
a banana split for 65 cents.

Charles

Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote:
> Jon Nadelberg wrote:
>
>> Matt J. McCullar wrote:
>>
>>> "Glenn" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>
>>>> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
>>>> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a fast food chain, found primarily in Southern California. Take
>>> heart
>>> in not knowing about it; I've spent practically my whole life in
>>> Texas and
>>> never heard of In-n-Out Burger either, until I visited Los Angeles
>>> just a
>>> couple of years ago. It's absolutely unknown over here because we've
>>> got
>>> Whataburger, and California folks don't.
>>>
>>
>> Whataburger tried to make it out here in CA, but didn't.
>>
> There's something wrong with their time line, or else there
> was another chain with the same name:
> "Eventually, in 1959, Harmon Dobson would expand outside Texas with
> Whataburger #21 opening in Pensacola, Florida."
>

I recall in maybe the early 70s going to a Whataburger in Los Angeles.
I don't know if it is the same chain or not. It was quite busy for a while.

White Castle also tried to come out to LA, too. They had an outlet on
Ventura Blvd. Another bust.

"Glenn" > wrote in message
. ..
> Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.

4th largest. Hmm. I'm deficient about this information as it keeps changing.
NYC is 1st. LA is 2nd. Chicago is 3rd., then I have a gap. Sandy Eggo used
to be 6th but is now 7th as Phoenix took over 6th place. I'm sure that Las
Vegas will eventuall bump us down to 8th. And San Antonio is coming up too.
So. Is the 4th largest city Dallas?

As I live in Sandy Eggo, I have aquaintance with In-N-Out. I think it is
over rated and very poor. In short nasty. It is, perhaps, a notch above
McDonalds, etc. but it is well behind Tommy's Chili Burgers. In Sandy Eggo
we have a local chain that serves un-fast hamburgers where you have to go
inside to eat. It is Boll Weevel. Super hamburgers. Actually the best
hamburger in town is at a very small Ethopian resturant that has produced
the same burgers through many owners for the last 45 years. No new owner
dared change the hamburger. Even the Ethopian owners know better and they,
according to the Ethopians I know, serve the best Ethopian food in Sandy
Eggo! It still has it's original name "Granger's". It is located just next
to Texas Street on El Cajon Blvd. I used to live just a few yards away on
Texas St. and visited Granger's often for hamburgers to take home. It is a
very small place with maybe 4 or 5 tables.

Charliam, who hopes he is right about Dallas!

Charles Gifford wrote:
> "Glenn" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Boy did you open the gate, but WHAT IS AN IN-N-OUT BURGER??? I live in
> > the 4th largest city in the nation and we have never heard of it.
>
> 4th largest. Hmm. I'm deficient about this information as it keeps changing.
> NYC is 1st. LA is 2nd. Chicago is 3rd., then I have a gap. Sandy Eggo used
> to be 6th but is now 7th as Phoenix took over 6th place. I'm sure that Las
> Vegas will eventuall bump us down to 8th. And San Antonio is coming up too.
> So. Is the 4th largest city Dallas?

I'm pretty sure it's Houston

"Joe Gillis" > wrote in message
>>
>> 4th largest. Hmm. I'm deficient about this information as it keeps
>> changing.
>> NYC is 1st. LA is 2nd. Chicago is 3rd., then I have a gap. Sandy Eggo
>> used
>> to be 6th but is now 7th as Phoenix took over 6th place. I'm sure that
>> Las
>> Vegas will eventuall bump us down to 8th. And San Antonio is coming up
>> too.
>> So. Is the 4th largest city Dallas?
>
> I'm pretty sure it's Houston
>

Yes
For the US http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

For the world http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762524.html

Joe Gillis wrote:

> Enshrine This Burger
> If the site of the first McDonald's is commemorated, why not In-N-Out?
>
We had an arcade/restaurant here in Georgia. It was called the Dog
Patch. They had a small selection. The sign out front read......The
Dog Patch, under one million sold.

I am guessing that he never made it to a million, although, the patch
burger was a hamburger with homemade cole slaw. It was quite good.

anyone who has not been to In-N-Out has missed out. does anyone know
all the dishes on the secret menu? i've seen someone eat a 16 by 16
before...


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Terry wrote:
> Joe Gillis wrote:
>
> > Enshrine This Burger
> > If the site of the first McDonald's is commemorated, why not In-N-Out?
> >
> We had an arcade/restaurant here in Georgia. It was called the Dog
> Patch. They had a small selection. The sign out front read......The
> Dog Patch, under one million sold.
>
> I am guessing that he never made it to a million, although, the patch
> burger was a hamburger with homemade cole slaw. It was quite good.

In article .com>,
wrote:

> anyone who has not been to In-N-Out has missed out. does anyone know
> all the dishes on the secret menu? i've seen someone eat a 16 by 16
> before...


There's a secret menu on their web site.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

Hamburger needs help . If ya don add bisquick , fully cooked onions
and tomatoe paste ,.......


BTW , i got a laugh .... i saw a recipe with worchester sause .
If it dont taste good , just add hot peppers or W' sauce ,
they'll eat it .






MacDonalds used to add some kind of flour .

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Joe Gillis wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...nion-rightrail
>
> Enshrine This Burger
> If the site of the first McDonald's is commemorated, why not In-N-Out?
>
> By Mark Kendall
>
> September 5, 2006
>
> BACK IN MY '80s high school days, In-N-Out Burger hadn't yet reached
> our semirural Santa Clarita Valley, north of Los Angeles. So during
> lunch period we would do the Double-Double dash - speed 10 miles to
> the real Valley in San Fernando to wolf down one of those mysteriously
> perfect twin-patty burgers before hustling back for class.
>
> Today, these hunter-gatherer adventures are no more. In-N-Out has more
> than 200 locations; three in no-longer-rural Santa Clarita alone. You
> can down a Double-Double in Las Vegas, Phoenix or even - this hurts
> - San Francisco. The family-owned chain has been successful enough to
> spawn a famous commercial jingle, earn several loving write-ups in the
> New York Times and have its burgers served to A-list celebs at swanky
> post-Oscar parties.
>
> The great taste hasn't changed, but the mystique that inspired our
> carnivorous cross-valley quests sure has. The earlier, spartan
> drive-throughs, which once kept us at arm's length, a sheet of glass
> sealing off the inner sanctum where clean-cut workers frenetically
> packed the grill with meat patties, has given way to brightly lighted
> indoor seating no different from the national fast-food chains. The
> fabled secret menu, for years passed around solely by word of mouth,
> giving those of us in the know an easy way to separate the true
> In-N-Out fan - and true Southern Californian - from the wannabes
> ... well, the Web ended all that.
>
> How can we preserve that vanishing sense of wonder while giving proper
> respect to the important role In-N-Out has played in postwar SoCal
> culture? An idea came to me a few months back while driving on the 10
> Freeway, when I glimpsed a well-worn yellow-arrow sign, bearing a
> quaint pre-digital clock.
>
> It was there, in Baldwin Park, where Harry and Esther Snyder started it
> all back in 1948, according to the company's website. (The original
> hamburger stand was demolished when the 10 Freeway came through; this
> site was its replacement.)
>
> The old store, though, has been closed and gated off since 2004,
> replaced by a much snazzier restaurant just on the other side of the
> freeway at the same Francisquito Avenue exit. Next door stands the
> two-story "In-N-Out University" managerial training center and company
> store, selling such items as ski caps and beach towels emblazoned with
> the chain's name.
>
> Company honchos have told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune that they plan
> to preserve the building, and there was even talk of a museum, but I
> envision something more - a full-blown In-N-Out shrine. We don't do a
> good job commemorating the innovative fast-food chains that Southern
> California has unleashed on the world. Carl's Jr. launched from
> Anaheim; Jack in the Box sprang out of San Diego. Del Taco first heated
> up the fast-food scene in the desert outskirts of Barstow; Taco Bell's
> Glen Bell got his start selling hot dogs in San Bernardino, the same
> city that gave us McDonald's.
>
> At least the site of the original Mickey D's is now commemorated,
> though not by the company itself. Fast-food entrepreneur Albert Okura,
> who operates the local Juan Pollo rotisserie chicken chain, owns the
> building and uses it to house his corporate offices and an unofficial
> McDonald's museum. Okura dreams that his chain, which has more than 30
> units, will someday become the world's largest. "That's my destiny," he
> says.
>
> If the birthplace of mundane McDonald's can nurture dreams, just think
> what inspirational powers would be unlocked by an In-N-Out shrine. It
> could be old-fashioned, like the chain, with folksy docents serving up
> homespun stories. Or maybe actors would earnestly re-create the early
> days, when the Snyders and original business partner Charles Noddin
> endured "cold, smoggy nights" as they sold 2,000 burgers their first
> month, according to the book "The Heritage of Baldwin Park." Or maybe
> it could be fully 21st century, with touch-screens, animatronics and an
> interactive grill "experience." Either way, I can see buses shuttling
> tourists between store No. 1 and the San Gabriel Valley's other great
> attraction, the giant drive-through Donut Hole in nearby La Puente.
>
> When I contacted In-N-Out's marketing department with a few questions
> (which they requested in writing), the replies were terse. "We don't
> have any plans for the closed store #1," wrote spokeswoman Michelle
> Guzman.
>
> She had served up a riddle. I pondered her enigmatic answer.
>
> It came to me. Just look at the simple menu of burgers, shakes and
> fries. The In-N-Out folks are masters of minimalism. What if they
> skipped the bric-a-brac and gimmicks and just let the old store slide
> into a mysterious ruin? Keep the grill's pilot light burning in an
> eternal flame. Keep the cult following alive.
>
> As the decades pass and In-N-Out's empire envelops the globe, burger
> lovers would come from far and wide to glimpse this intriguing roadside
> relic, an American Parthenon, summoning all the grandeur of Ancient
> Grease.
>
> -------------------
>
> MARK KENDALL wrote the "Fast Food Dude" column for the Riverside
> Press-Enterprise from 2001 to 2004.